AHMAUD ARBERY: Georgia vs Greg & Travis McMichael & William Bryan for murder *GUILTY*

Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men...

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Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men who said they thought he was a possible burglar.

Ahmaud Arbery’s mother wants to know where is the justice.

“I just think about how they could allow these two men to kill my son and not be arrested, that’s what I can’t understand,” Wanda Cooper told news partner First Coast News.

A police report states about 1 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 23, Glynn County officers responded to Satilla and Holmes drives where shots were fired. They found Arbery, 25, dead on the scene.

Gregory McMichael, who worked several years for the Brunswick Police Department before serving as an investigator in the Brunswick District Attorney’s Office, told police there were several break-ins in the neighborhood. He said he saw Arbery running down Satilla Drive and asked his son Travis McMichael to help him confront him.

McMichael and his son got a shotgun and handgun because they “didn’t know if Arbery was armed or not.”

The father and son got into their truck and drove down Satilla toward Burford Drive. Gregory McMichael stated when they arrived at Holmes Drive, they saw Arbery running down Burford, according to the report.

Gregory McMichael told police they attempted to cut off Arbery and shouted “stop, stop, we want to talk to you.”

McMichael pulled up next to Arbery, and Travis McMichael got out of the truck with the shotgun. According to statements, that’s when the father said Arbery attacked his son and the two men started fighting over the shotgun. Travis McMichael fired a shot and then a second shot.

After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georg…

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After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georgia, according to a district attorney.

Elements of the disturbing video are consistent with a description of the shooting given to police by one of those involved in the incident.

Ahmaud Arbery, 25, was jogging in a neighborhood outside Brunswick on February 23 when a former police officer and his son chased him down, authorities said. According to a Glynn County Police report, Gregory McMichael later told officers that he thought Arbery looked like a person suspected in a series of recent break-ins in the area.

After they chased down Arbery, McMichael told police, Arbery and McMichael’s son Travis struggled over his son’s shotgun. McMichael said two shots were fired before Arbery fell to the street, the report said.


S. Lee Merritt, an attorney for the Arbery family, said in a statement that the two men involved in the chase “must be taken into custody pending their indictment.”

Gov. Brian Kemp said the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has offered resources to Durden for his investigation. “Georgians deserve answers,” Kemp tweeted.

Kemp also retweeted the GBI’s post that Durden “formally requested the GBI to investigate the death of Ahmaud Arbery.”

 

[GrandmaBear]

So tradesman won't leave their tools at a site because innocent curious people might go into the site? Wrong... They generally won't leave tools and other valuables at a site because of THIEVES. Thieves who will often visit repeatedly, case the site when no one is around(Sunday) and come back later to steal things.
The GBI didn't describe Arbery as a "jogger" or say he was "hunted". The GBI didn't decide which picture of him was going to be broadcast. The GBI didn't deliberately neglect to tell you about his criminal record. The GBI didn't decide which videos to show you. The GBI didn't decide to air only interviews with Arbery's family and friends to tell you what a great guy he was. You and others here are accepting this narrative as truth. Let's allow all of the facts to come out and consider them objectively.

Uhm, at the preliminary it was said Arbery ran until he could run no more trying to get away from being (chased) cornered, hunted, pick on the semantics if you want... Into a ditch, etc., was hit by a vehicle, cornered or attempted to be more than once.... He does not have a criminal record of ever HARMING ANYONE. HIS tests also came back clean for alcohol or drugs AND he was not driving. How did the three men's come back? Oh, I bet they weren't tested. I truly want someone to ask that question. A reporter, an investigator (not the ones that first handled this), etc.

 

[Howell]

Why don't you look back at all of the info and questions you have ignored? I have answered you the same thing many times. You didn't answer a question above earlier? Who do you believe about the racial slur that Bryan said Travis Mc said over Arbery's dead body right afterwards? You never respond to the laws, the GBI, the FULL videos out there etc. If you want to debate then quit picking and choosing. Yes the McMichaels and Bryan will get a jury trial for charges, Arbery did not get one with NO charges. They are fortunate if you ask me. Funny how not even defense attorneys going by the KNOWN facts and not the media do not agree with you. Barnhill might.

I'm not picking and choosing, GB. I'm kinda under attack here from many sides, so if I miss something, please forgive me. I'll answer any reasonable question you have, but I'll expect you to do the same. You've not explained sufficiently why you assumed the McMichaels to be racist. That was totally unfair. I've already stated that I think the McMichaels' course of action in this case was ill-advised, but I don't think it was a case of "racist whites hunting down a black jogger".
As to the racial slur that was allegedly uttered, I'm not sure what to believe at this point. Bryan obviously wants to protect himself, understandably. Travis may very well have said that, and if he did, I think it has to be viewed in context. Have you ever been in an emotionally charged situation and called someone a racial slur? Or called them fat? Or old, slutty, short, queer, etc? Does that make you guilty of any of the -isms classified as "hate" today?

 

[GrandmaBear]

What proof do you have he wasn't a jogger or hunted down? You don't pay attention to the legal filings in the case. Who, other than a racist, stands over the freshly killed body of a black man and calls them a N****R?

What did he do, in the past or that day, that gives anyone the right to murder him?

He could've, would have, might have, ya know maybe been up to something when he was there at night on a previous occasion, in a home that wasn't theirs with no proof he took anything or anything that gives them the right to go after him and hunt him down with firearms ya know or even chase him with them in vehicles (plural)... Sick to even think that is okay.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I'm not picking and choosing, GB. I'm kinda under attack here from many sides, so if I miss something, please forgive me. I'll answer any reasonable question you have, but I'll expect you to do the same. You've not explained sufficiently why you assumed the McMichaels to be racist. That was totally unfair. I've already stated that I think the McMichaels' course of action in this case was ill-advised, but I don't think it was a case of "racist whites hunting down a black jogger".
As to the racial slur that was allegedly uttered, I'm not sure what to believe at this point. Bryan obviously wants to protect himself, understandably. Travis may very well have said that, and if he did, I think it has to be viewed in context. Have you ever been in an emotionally charged situation and called someone a racial slur? Or called them fat? Or old, slutty, short, queer, etc? Does that make you guilty of any of the -isms classified as "hate" today?

I explained that above so again, did you miss the post? Did you miss the one from @Guesswho who explained where her opinion came from and gave all of the sources other than media but continue to accuse her of listening to a narrative? You have been given many posts and facts long before today and questions that you ignore with all due respect. I love differing opinions and I think discussion is necessary in this country (if it ever happens) but that is not what you seem to be doing. As for Bryan, I do not know, but this may very well be on tape, as far as the slur. The other slurs were certainly found on phones and in messages. And for the umpteenth time, yes, I judged them. I also explained it and took ownership. And that is so not me. However, this case, just as you are doing to think they had the right to do as they did, made me upset that they judged Arbery and thought it gave them the right for this HUNT.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I explained that above so again, did you miss the post? Did you miss the one from @Guesswho who explained where her opinion came from and gave all of the sources other than media but continue to accuse her of listening to a narrative? You have been given many posts and facts long before today and questions that you ignore with all due respect. I love differing opinions and I think discussion is necessary in this country (if it ever happens) but that is not what you seem to be doing. As for Bryan, I do not know, but this may very well be on tape, as far as the slur. The other slurs were certainly found on phones and in messages. And for the umpteenth time, yes, I judged them. I also explained it and took ownership. And that is so not me. However, this case, just as you are doing to think they had the right to do as they did, made me upset that they judged Arbery and thought it gave them the right for this HUNT.

I will add I explained it many a time. So has @GuessWho with the things you say to her. Did you miss these posts?

 

[GrandmaBear]

I'm not picking and choosing, GB. I'm kinda under attack here from many sides, so if I miss something, please forgive me. I'll answer any reasonable question you have, but I'll expect you to do the same. You've not explained sufficiently why you assumed the McMichaels to be racist. That was totally unfair. I've already stated that I think the McMichaels' course of action in this case was ill-advised, but I don't think it was a case of "racist whites hunting down a black jogger".
As to the racial slur that was allegedly uttered, I'm not sure what to believe at this point. Bryan obviously wants to protect himself, understandably. Travis may very well have said that, and if he did, I think it has to be viewed in context. Have you ever been in an emotionally charged situation and called someone a racial slur? Or called them fat? Or old, slutty, short, queer, etc? Does that make you guilty of any of the -isms classified as "hate" today?

Let me address this. NO, I don't call people fat, slutty, short, queer, etc. I respect all beliefs and to each their own. I do not normally judge a book by its cover but these men did and if you look through this thread you will see that was after some time and I had further reasons, including their apparent cover and help by the system there. We have a black child in my family. So what? I have at least two gay cousins. So what? I weigh more than I used to and am no lightweight, I say to my cat he is a bit overweight and then I say to him, who am I to talk right? I watched a soccer and badminton game tonight and guess what? The kids were not of my race and some people judge them and their parents. You know what I have to say? Their parents are ALWAYS out there supervising them and the kids are behaving. You are taking one remark from when you came on this thread and throwing it at me all of the time and by the way, it is turning out to be true. Do you know who I truly thought it of? Sure I will go there. Travis. And guess where the remarks were found or said so far on phones, etc.? Travis. I shouldn't judge and try to never do that but I did throw it out there because they judged Arbery just as YOU ARE with nothing but assumptions. If anyone here comes across as racist or judgmental it is you, imo. By the way, my dad hunted, had a pickup and a firearm, he was not an avid hunter. My brothers, the same. Husband the same. I grew up around it. Not a one of them would have EVER done something like this. So nope, not what I judged by. Oh let me add, my nephews, brother-in-laws, just about everyone I know. My future son-in-law... I could go on. NEVER, EVER would they do what these men thought they had a right to do. You keep harping on media, my judging the men, and about what you ASSUME Arbery was up to. And that's pretty much all you've got. Sorry but it's the way I see it. By the way, I have been to a few NASCAR races too... And I know a beer belly when I see one, many I have loved to no end had one at various times in their life. It isn't necessarily even an insult, I think they may be the type (the McMichaels) who are proud of that and other beliefs and actions and every word I said about them. Who knows??

 

[Guess Who]

Fair enough if you want to call that speculation. I don't know for a fact that Arbery's intention was to steal from or to case the site. I've asked you and others to offer an alternative reasonable explanation for him being in that house repeatedly at night and have not been given one.

The media did tell us about others being in the house, tho. I gave you the link from CNN.

Earlier, English's attorney released three security camera clips taken Dec. 17 – more than two months before the shooting – that showed a black man in a T-shirt and shorts at the site. In the final clip, the man walks a few steps toward the road and then jogs away.
“It now appears that this young man may have been coming onto the property for water,” Graddy said in a statement. “There is a water source at the dock behind the house as well as a source near the front of the structure. Although these water sources do not appear within any of the cameras’ frames, the young man moves to and from their locations.”

Before Ahmaud Arbery's death, multiple people walked through construction site, report says

Surveillance footage released to CNN shows multiple people at a construction site where Georgia jogger Ahmaud Arbery stopped before being gunned down.

www.usatoday.com

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Have you ever been in an emotionally charged situation and called someone a racial slur?

No. Nope. Absolutely never. Pretty sure only racists have those words in their vocabulary to be able to "accidentally" spew that out. Even if someone of a different race was physically attacking me or saying every bad thing in the book about me or my family, those words would not even be considered.

Or called them fat? Or old, slutty, short, queer, etc? Does that make you guilty of any of the -isms classified as "hate" today?

I used anti-gay slurs in my past. But I was, self-admittedly, a person with pretty shitty views regarding the LGBT+ community. And yes, I would call myself hateful / guilty of hate toward that community at that point in time. (I would have denied it then. But it's very clear now.) Now, those words have been erased from my vocabulary. Because I'm not ignorant anymore. I've learned and changed. And there's zero chance they would come out of my mouth today. Even in an "emotionally charged situation".

However, the agent said, there were "numerous times" on social media and via messaging services that McMichael used the same slur, once messaging someone that he loved his job because there "weren't any N-words anywhere."

In another instance sometime before the shooting, he replied in an Instagram message that things would be better if someone had "blown that N-word's head off," Dial testified.

Anyone who would say these things is racist. Period. Full stop.
And if I had "accidentally" shot someone in "self-defense"...I'm especially not going to walk to their body and use racial slurs.

 

[Guess Who]

Fair enough if you want to call that speculation. I don't know for a fact that Arbery's intention was to steal from or to case the site. I've asked you and others to offer an alternative reasonable explanation for him being in that house repeatedly at night and have not been given one.

The media did tell us about others being in the house, tho. I gave you the link from CNN.

yes, you linked a MEDIA source and you still have not answered why they didn't feel the need to go chase any of the others seen at the site all over the neighborhood with loaded shotguns and hit them with their trucks. Why is that? Why is it that no thefts were reported in the neighborhood, yet they felt the need to chase this ONE guy down? Wouldn't it make much more sense defending their actions if they had chased each person witnessed at the house with a loaded shotgun?

 

[Howell]

I explained that above so again, did you miss the post? Did you miss the one from @Guesswho who explained where her opinion came from and gave all of the sources other than media but continue to accuse her of listening to a narrative? You have been given many posts and facts long before today and questions that you ignore with all due respect. I love differing opinions and I think discussion is necessary in this country (if it ever happens) but that is not what you seem to be doing. As for Bryan, I do not know, but this may very well be on tape, as far as the slur. The other slurs were certainly found on phones and in messages. And for the umpteenth time, yes, I judged them. I also explained it and took ownership. And that is so not me. However, this case, just as you are doing to think they had the right to do as they did, made me upset that they judged Arbery and thought it gave them the right for this HUNT.

Again tho, what indication is there that this was based on race? The McMichaels likely didn't chase the other people down because those people didn't enter the house repeatedly, at night, or with a flashlight. Arbery did(or was believed to have done so). It was based on behavior, not strictly on race. What if a white guy had done the exact same thing? You believe theMcMichaels would've just ignored him?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Again tho, what indication is there that this was based on race? The McMichaels likely didn't chase the other people down because those people didn't enter the house repeatedly, at night, or with a flashlight. Arbery did(or was believed to have done so). It was based on behavior, not strictly on race. What if a white guy had done the exact same thing? You believe theMcMichaels would've just ignored him?

I guess it depends on if a jury buys that argument and when you now couple if with racist slurs both spoken and on phones, etc., I don't think the odds are good; as you are well aware, no one here is buying it that I can see.

No, I don't think it would have been handled the same and it's the conclusion I draw from everything we know. Couple it with the f'g n****r alone even, when he was dead and jurors will see an entire lack of remorse and major judgment on what they thought of him and likely all of the same race. By the way, Nascar is known to be a very white southern sport and they are taking the confederate flag off of cars. I am really unsure why Bryan's attorney even said that unless more than a bit clueless.

It also sounds like the feds are looking into it as a hate crime since Georgia has no hate crime law. ,

There is ample reason to do that and ample reason they are under arrest and charged but you do not see that I guess.

 

[Howell]

I guess it depends on if a jury buys that argument and when you now couple if with racist slurs both spoken and on phones, etc., I don't think the odds are good; as you are well aware, no one here is buying it that I can see.

No, I don't think it would have been handled the same and it's the conclusion I draw from everything we know. Couple it with the f'g n****r alone even, when he was dead and jurors will see an entire lack of remorse and major judgment on what they thought of him and likely all of the same race. By the way, Nascar is known to be a very white southern sport and they are taking the confederate flag off of cars. I am really unsure why Bryan's attorney even said that unless more than a bit clueless.

It also sounds like the feds are looking into it as a hate crime since Georgia has no hate crime law. ,

There is ample reason to do that and ample reason they are under arrest and charged but you do not see that I guess.

Again, specifically based on what? What if it had been an overweight white guy, and McMichael had said "that f***in lardass!" Should we presume that they only chased him because he was overweight? Or that that's bolstered because McMichael had used derogatory terms about overweight people on social media? That's what you're suggesting.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

This discussion is going nowhere. I'm locking this thread until another moderator who is not involved in the discussion can take a look.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Just posting the news. Not going to open up for discussion at this time.

Three suspects indicted on murder charges in death of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia

A grand jury indicted Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael and William "Roddie" Bryan.

www.nbcnews.com

Three suspects indicted on murder charges in death of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia

The three suspects in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery were officially indicted by a Georgia grand jury on murder charges, the district attorney in Cobb County announced Wednesday.

Gregory McMichael, 64, his son Travis McMichael, 34, and their neighbor William "Roddie" Bryan, 50, all face allegations of malice and felony murder in the Feb. 23 death of Arbery.

The indictment accuses the three men of collectively causing Arbery's death "by unlawfully chasing him through the public roadways of the Satilla Shores neighborhood in pickup trucks and shooting him with a shotgun."

The indictment includes four counts of felony murder, two counts of aggravated assault, and one count each of false imprisonment and criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment.

Lawyers for the suspects have said what they did was not criminal.

Bob Rubin, who represents Travis McMichael, said in a statement Wednesday that his client planned to plead not guilty. "We look forward to presenting all of the facts regarding this tragic death in a court of law," he said.

 

[GarAndMo39]

Georgia News​

Arbery Family Friend Says DA Jackie Johnson Continued to Meet with Family Despite Recusal​

A friend of the family of Ahmaud Arbery says he and family members met with District Attorney Jackie Johnson about the case, even after she recused her office due to conflicts of interest.
He also said she vowed to ‘take the case back and give it to someone else’ if the family was unhappy with the result, but that they could always sue for money if there was no indictment.
<snip>

Arbery Family Friend Says DA Jackie Johnson Continued to Meet with Family Despite Recusal - AllOnGeorgia

A friend of the family of Ahmaud Arbery says he and family members met with District Attorney Jackie Johnson about the case, even after she recused her office due to conflicts of interest. He also said she vowed to 'take the case back and give it to someone else' if the family was unhappy with...

allongeorgia.com

 

[GarAndMo39]

Racist social media posts and cellphone texts should be admitted into evidence at trial against the three men charged with the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, state prosecutors said in a recent court filing.

One reason to allow the evidence: “proof of motive,” prosecutors said. <snip>

State wants racist posts in evidence to show motive in Arbery case

Racist social media posts and cellphone texts should be admitted into evidence at trial against the three men charged with the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, state prosecutors said in a recent court filing.

www.ajc.com

 

[GarAndMo39]

Explosive texts found on phone of suspect in Georgia jogger murder case​

"48 Hours" uncovers the content of virulent, racial slurs found on the phone of William "Roddie" Bryan, the man who filmed the killing of Ahmaud Arbery. Bryan's attorney says his client "doesn't have a hateful bone in his body."

<snip>

Explosive texts found on phone of suspect in Georgia jogger murder case

"48 Hours" uncovers the content of virulent, racial slurs found on the phone of William "Roddie" Bryan, the man who filmed the killing of Ahmaud Arbery. Bryan's attorney says his client "doesn't have a hateful bone in his body."

www.cbsnews.com

I'll watch this as soon as it's unlocked (probably in a week)

 

[GarAndMo39]

Hearing set for next month in Ahmaud Arbery case​

GLYNN COUNTY, Ga. (WSAV) – The next hearing in the Ahmaud Arbery case has been set for Nov. 12.


According to the Superior Court of Glynn County, a hearing for Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael, and William Bryan will be held at 10 a.m. in front of Judge Timothy Walmsley in Brunswick.

Related Content​

• Renewed call for removal of 2 prosecutors initially involved in Arbery case ​

The following matters will be addressed:

• Petitions for Bond (Travis McMichaeI and Greg McMichaeI)
• Special Demurrers Nos. 1-8
• Joint Motion for Deposition of Larry English
• State’s Motion for Ex—Parte Hearing
• Motion to Enjoin the State

The McMichaels and Bryan are currently charged with nine counts each, including felony murder and malice murder. All three pleaded not guilty. <snip>

Hearing set for next month in Ahmaud Arbery case

The next hearing in the Ahmaud Arbery case has been set for Nov. 12.

www.wsav.com

 

[GarAndMo39]

Thanks for re-opening this thread, @SheWhoMustNotBeNamed !

 

[Howell]

Racist social media posts and cellphone texts should be admitted into evidence at trial against the three men charged with the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, state prosecutors said in a recent court filing.

One reason to allow the evidence: “proof of motive,” prosecutors said. <snip>

State wants racist posts in evidence to show motive in Arbery case

Racist social media posts and cellphone texts should be admitted into evidence at trial against the three men charged with the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, state prosecutors said in a recent court filing.

www.ajc.com

But who is the arbiter of what is "racist" or not? And by what standard?
Has anyone else here EVER used a racial slur? If so, does that make you a "racist"? Or does it only matter if you uttered/texted/posted it within the last 2 weeks? 6 months? 12 years? Would it be fair to use that against you?

"Proof of motive" is a ridiculous argument. The defendants are charged with felony murder. Do the texts/posts suggest that the defendants wanted to deliberately kill a black man? Of course not. If they did, I would have no problem with them being admitted into evidence. We all know they say nothing like that.

I'm not directing this to you personally, Gar, I'm just responding to the article you posted.