AHMAUD ARBERY: Georgia vs Greg & Travis McMichael & William Bryan for murder *GUILTY*

Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men...

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Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men who said they thought he was a possible burglar.

Ahmaud Arbery’s mother wants to know where is the justice.

“I just think about how they could allow these two men to kill my son and not be arrested, that’s what I can’t understand,” Wanda Cooper told news partner First Coast News.

A police report states about 1 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 23, Glynn County officers responded to Satilla and Holmes drives where shots were fired. They found Arbery, 25, dead on the scene.

Gregory McMichael, who worked several years for the Brunswick Police Department before serving as an investigator in the Brunswick District Attorney’s Office, told police there were several break-ins in the neighborhood. He said he saw Arbery running down Satilla Drive and asked his son Travis McMichael to help him confront him.

McMichael and his son got a shotgun and handgun because they “didn’t know if Arbery was armed or not.”

The father and son got into their truck and drove down Satilla toward Burford Drive. Gregory McMichael stated when they arrived at Holmes Drive, they saw Arbery running down Burford, according to the report.

Gregory McMichael told police they attempted to cut off Arbery and shouted “stop, stop, we want to talk to you.”

McMichael pulled up next to Arbery, and Travis McMichael got out of the truck with the shotgun. According to statements, that’s when the father said Arbery attacked his son and the two men started fighting over the shotgun. Travis McMichael fired a shot and then a second shot.

After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georg…

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After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georgia, according to a district attorney.

Elements of the disturbing video are consistent with a description of the shooting given to police by one of those involved in the incident.

Ahmaud Arbery, 25, was jogging in a neighborhood outside Brunswick on February 23 when a former police officer and his son chased him down, authorities said. According to a Glynn County Police report, Gregory McMichael later told officers that he thought Arbery looked like a person suspected in a series of recent break-ins in the area.

After they chased down Arbery, McMichael told police, Arbery and McMichael’s son Travis struggled over his son’s shotgun. McMichael said two shots were fired before Arbery fell to the street, the report said.


S. Lee Merritt, an attorney for the Arbery family, said in a statement that the two men involved in the chase “must be taken into custody pending their indictment.”

Gov. Brian Kemp said the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has offered resources to Durden for his investigation. “Georgians deserve answers,” Kemp tweeted.

Kemp also retweeted the GBI’s post that Durden “formally requested the GBI to investigate the death of Ahmaud Arbery.”

 

[Howell]

Well I also can agree with some of this but not all--jmo. It may not be recent but the Max Factor heir certainly made the news with his rapes and they were not minorities. One example of many. In that one we have wealth, known name, drugging and video tapes. Sometimes it is the case and not race, fame or anything on its own but just the total package and uniqueness and what they can sensationalize with all of its components and played by media for all it is worth.

This case here is different too and has many elements that will and do hold interest. My point is some cases that are covered are simply due to the sensationalism and factors of the case or even the fact that a case is unique and not similar to many others, again imo.

However, I do agree that the race factor is used and played in the news and not always fairly. In some cases though it does apply, but certainly not all that they try to make it apply (the media). I am not nearly as sure it applies in the George Floyd case as I am leaning towards believing it may apply in this case.

When you talk about places like Chicago and NYC for instance, I get it. I share a few current crime headlines most days but generally they are not in cities like Chicago where you can't even keep up with the shootings and fatalities every weekend and yes, they are often black against black OR some child caught in crossfire, etc. In fact, most headlines hardly even touch on individual cases in some of those major metropolitan troubled or high crime areas.

I do deny we only know about this case to get back to this one because it is white shooter, black victim. This case is very different than most. There is and are major hints of problems in this area and in the justice system itself. Three men and trucks. One man worked for the DA in charge and called her. There is much here. This case was not immediately known by a long shot. Does the media play it or use it? Do politicians even? Of course, I am sure of it. This case though has enough here to truly suspect race may have been a factor despite the media play.

Anyhow, clearly you are passionate in your beliefs, no problem. It sure beats not caring at all. I also did not mean you insulting me, you spread it around to various people on occasion lol. Thanks for the double hug. Peace.

Well, the fact that he was a Max Factor heir made that case noteworthy. Without that, we likely never would've heard of it. And it's not one of many, it was an exception, but you're welcome to name all of the many. That wasn't so with the other cases I mentioned. They were all relatively average white guys who were accused of sexual assault. There was nothing special or otherwise media-worthy about those cases.

I understand your point, and perhaps you're right, but I find it very hard to conceive that we would be talking about this case had either the McMichaels been black or Arbery white.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well, the fact that he was a Max Factor heir made that case noteworthy. Without that, we likely never would've heard of it. And it's not one of many, it was an exception, but you're welcome to name all of the many. That wasn't so with the other cases I mentioned. They were all relatively average white guys who were accused of sexual assault. There was nothing special or otherwise media-worthy about those cases.

I understand your point, and perhaps you're right, but I find it very hard to conceive that we would be talking about this case had either the McMichaels been black or Arbery white.

I didn't go to any effort to try to find any, that was simply a rape case that came to mind and it, imo, wasn't just because he was the MF heir, there also were a ton of victims and one could likely call him a serial rapist. He also fled the country and that just added more interest and fuel to the fire. However, yes, what the media chooses to cover is certainly not based on anything fair when it comes to perps or victims or even missing people. I have said before on here many times that I am no media fan and I am not.

Had the race been reversed in this case, I certainly would be just as outraged and would follow it, without a doubt. The trucks, the firearms, that there were three against one on foot, etc. What the media would do or what the coverage would be is anyone's guess. So, as far as being here talking about the case, yes I would be on here discussing it if reversed, I comment on most cases on here whether black, white, missing or dead, solved or unsolved, child or adult, male or female. Would you be here discussing it if it was reversed? Do you start any threads on cases you feel are not covered and should be? Because you can I believe. You can also probably do a more general discussion topic on some of these things, I don't know, but am sure a mod could tell you.

We should probably get back to trying to keep this more specifically about this particular case. I don't entirely disagree with you at all but I do think each and every case is different and has to be judged on its own. Jmo of course.

 

[Howell]

I didn't go to any effort to try to find any, that was simply a rape case that came to mind and it, imo, wasn't just because he was the MF heir, there also were a ton of victims and one could likely call him a serial rapist. He also fled the country and that just added more interest and fuel to the fire. However, yes, what the media chooses to cover is certainly not based on anything fair when it comes to perps or victims or even missing people. I have said before on here many times that I am no media fan and I am not.

Had the race been reversed in this case, I certainly would be just as outraged and would follow it, without a doubt. The trucks, the firearms, that there were three against one on foot, etc. What the media would do or what the coverage would be is anyone's guess. So, as far as being here talking about the case, yes I would be on here discussing it if reversed, I comment on most cases on here whether black, white, missing or dead, solved or unsolved, child or adult, male or female. Would you be here discussing it if it was reversed? Do you start any threads on cases you feel are not covered and should be? Because you can I believe. You can also probably do a more general discussion topic on some of these things, I don't know, but am sure a mod could tell you.

We should probably get back to trying to keep this more specifically about this particular case. I don't entirely disagree with you at all but I do think each and every case is different and has to be judged on its own. Jmo of course.

No one would be here discussing it, because we would've never heard of it. That's my point. Are you familiar with the Knoxville Horror? Cannon Hinnant? Norman Bledsoe? The Temar Bishop case, where this young black man brutally beat and raped a woman and later said “She was a white girl. She deserved it because us minorities have been through slavery,”? If you've heard of any of these totally unprovoked attacks, it was because they got attention on social media, not because the national media saw fit to tell you about them. And unlike this one, Trayvon, Floyd, Brown, etc. they all quickly disappeared. I could list pages of them, but I wonder if any number would finally convince you to take your own side.

Despite how often you claim you're not a fan of the media, you remain complicit with the narrative they're offering in the Arbery case. You keep suggesting this was a racially motivated incident though there is no evidence of that. Even if you could scour the McMichaels' phones and Facebook pages to find some "racist" comments, that wouldn't make it racially motivated. It wasn't unprovoked. However foolishly, they were pursuing what they believed was a burglary suspect, not just some innocent "jogger" in the wrong neighborhood.

 

[GrandmaBear]

No one would be here discussing it, because we would've never heard of it. That's my point. Are you familiar with the Knoxville Horror? Cannon Hinnant? Norman Bledsoe? The Temar Bishop case, where this young black man brutally beat and raped a woman and later said “She was a white girl. She deserved it because us minorities have been through slavery,”? If you've heard of any of these totally unprovoked attacks, it was because they got attention on social media, not because the national media saw fit to tell you about them. And unlike this one, Trayvon, Floyd, Brown, etc. they all quickly disappeared. I could list pages of them, but I wonder if any number would finally convince you to take your own side.

Despite how often you claim you're not a fan of the media, you remain complicit with the narrative they're offering in the Arbery case. You keep suggesting this was a racially motivated incident though there is no evidence of that. Even if you could scour the McMichaels' phones and Facebook pages to find some "racist" comments, that wouldn't make it racially motivated. It wasn't unprovoked. However foolishly, they were pursuing what they believed was a burglary suspect, not just some innocent "jogger" in the wrong neighborhood.

I do not disagree with your first paragraph for the most part. It is said here even recently by me that the media is hardly fair in what they cover, for many reasons and the ones you cite included at times. How many white people in the cases you mention did white people start yelling and staging protests to get coverage on the news and for it to stay there? Did you? Again, though, your argument is moot because I don't dispute your first paragraph or entirely disagree. You try to argue with someone when there is no real disagreement?

The second paragraph we have had the conversation many times both before and after the closing of the thread. You also "accused" others of the same but I speak only for myself, as others are capable of doing for themselves. I am not going to put words in anyone's mouth. The last thing I saw on Arbery was six videos on the bond hearing, it had nothing to do with the media and I form my opinions from what can be gleaned that is NOT media. In fact, I spent many hours watching it all, far more than I planned on. So you can keep trying to tell me I do otherwise and my opinion comes from media but it is not the case. Your opinion of the case, on the other hand, seems to come from suppositions and conjecture and certainly not facts in evidence. It may be difficult to believe but not everyone but you is incapable of thinking for themselves and feel a need to follow a herd like a sheeple. Many make up their own minds and do not just blindly follow the media bias.

There are other cases I am keeping my opinion open on that do not have the same evidence as this one to weigh heavily in one way or another.

Gobble, gobble. Have a great day!

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

We're taking another break from this thread for the holiday weekend since some of ya'll don't seem to understand what DISCUSS THIS CASE means.

 

[kdg411]

Attorneys for the McMichaels argued during the hearing last month the father and son believed Arbery was the burglary suspect who had been stealing items from the neighborhood in the months prior to the shooting, leaving the community "on edge." But Walmsley appeared to dismiss that argument, saying neither defendant witnessed Arbery commit a crime or reliably identified Arbery. Rather, they "assumed" he had committed a crime, armed themselves and pursued him, Walmsley wrote.

Ahmaud Arbery shooting suspects pose "significant" danger to community, judge says

A Georgia judge said video "showed the lengths the defendants would take to track down and restrain another person."

www.cbsnews.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

My Lord. You can hear Arbery gasping. They leave him to just die alone, no comfort, no checking, nothing while they just do whatever... BOTH McMichaels have blood on them from what I see! Daddy is controlling the narrative and no, why would the son be cuffed, of course not... Oh and they also know how it goes... This SICKENS me... Each video on this link is different. There are plenty of articles out there and the video as well, I just grabbed one of many.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/12/17/ahmaud-arbery-body-camera-video/?arc404=true

 

[GarAndMo39]

Using security footage, cellphone video, 911 calls and police reports, The Times has reconstructed the 12 minutes before Ahmaud Arbery was shot dead in Georgia on Feb. 23. (video at link)​

Video: Ahmaud Arbery’s Final Minutes: What Videos and 911 Calls Show

Using security footage, cellphone video, 911 calls and police reports, The Times has reconstructed the 12 minutes before Ahmaud Arbery was shot dead in Georgia on Feb. 23, 2020.

www.nytimes.com

 

[daisy7]

Attorneys for McMichaels don't want Ahmaud Arbery called a 'victim' in court | CNN

Lawyers for Gregory and Travis McMichael, the father and son charged with murder in the death of Ahmaud Arbery, are asking that Arbery not be called a "victim" in the trial because they say it would be prejudicial, according to one of several motions they filed in the last days of December.

www.cnn.com

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Attorneys for McMichaels don't want Ahmaud Arbery called a 'victim' in court | CNN

Lawyers for Gregory and Travis McMichael, the father and son charged with murder in the death of Ahmaud Arbery, are asking that Arbery not be called a "victim" in the trial because they say it would be prejudicial, according to one of several motions they filed in the last days of December.

www.cnn.com

In order to not be accused of being ineffective council I guess they have to do this.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Attorneys for McMichaels don't want Ahmaud Arbery called a 'victim' in court | CNN

Lawyers for Gregory and Travis McMichael, the father and son charged with murder in the death of Ahmaud Arbery, are asking that Arbery not be called a "victim" in the trial because they say it would be prejudicial, according to one of several motions they filed in the last days of December.

www.cnn.com

Crazy isn't it? I have seen where defense attorneys do not want the word "abuse" used in any manner in a trial where the victim was clearly and definitively abused. I do not disagree with defendants having rights but it has gone crazy in a one sided direction imo.

 

[Kimster]

Attorneys for McMichaels don't want Ahmaud Arbery called a 'victim' in court | CNN

Lawyers for Gregory and Travis McMichael, the father and son charged with murder in the death of Ahmaud Arbery, are asking that Arbery not be called a "victim" in the trial because they say it would be prejudicial, according to one of several motions they filed in the last days of December.

www.cnn.com

I didn't think I could get more angry, but I was wrong.

 

[Kimster]

Crazy isn't it? I have seen where defense attorneys do not want the word "abuse" used in any manner in a trial where the victim was clearly and definitively abused. I do not disagree with defendants having rights but it has gone crazy in a one sided direction imo.

I'm tired of cases that are being based on words and not the facts of the depraved actions.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I'm tired of cases that are being based on words and not the facts of the depraved actions.

Yep. The use of "words" is one I never encountered until we encountered it ourselves... There was almost an entire hearing based on it, it was maddening.

I am tired and disgusted with the entire system. The delays, the use of "words", and most particularly the weak sentences or letting repeat offenders back out over and over and over.

I guess I am straying off topic here but to get back to it, I am sure this is just the start in this case of the things we shall see that will frustrate.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

I'm tired of cases that are being based on words and not the facts of the depraved actions.

Words got Robert Durst off in Texas. They believed the defenses wackadoodle conspiracy theory.

 

[Guess Who]

Words got Robert Durst off in Texas. They believed the defenses wackadoodle conspiracy theory.

Basically got OJ off, too.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Ahmaud Arbery's mother files federal lawsuit against 3 men accused of killing son

On the one-year anniversary Ahmaud Arbery's death, his mother filed a wrongful death suit.

abcnews.go.com

 

[kdg411]

Attorney for man accused in Ahmaud Arbery case asks judge to help potential jurors get vaccinated

William Roddie Bryan also accused Georgia prosecutors of, “gilding the lily” and deliberately dragging out their investigation.

www.firstcoastnews.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

Attorney for man accused in Ahmaud Arbery case asks judge to help potential jurors get vaccinated

William Roddie Bryan also accused Georgia prosecutors of, “gilding the lily” and deliberately dragging out their investigation.

www.firstcoastnews.com

While I don't lean in the defendants' favor in this case, subject to facts and trial of course, I have to be be fair and say court delays in general are horrible enough in our nation and Covid just made it worse and gave more excuses for it. And despite things starting to move and vaccinations being given and some things loosening up, Georgia is considering halting the speedy trial thing again?? Put the more minor cases on Zoom or handle them some other way and get with it on the major stuff. Or find some way.

This is also hard for me to say as I am not pro-defendants here but when someone sits in jail and can't make bond or there is none AND they have asked for a speedy trial (their right), I do have to admit they are not convicted yet or found guilty, is that fair that it go on forever? Now in some cases like Daybell, the defendants have not asked for a speedy trial and it is their own attorney(s) delaying things and asking for a continuance, in that case, they should not be able to complain.

Just my thoughts...