AHMAUD ARBERY: Georgia vs Greg & Travis McMichael & William Bryan for murder *GUILTY*

Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men...

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Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men who said they thought he was a possible burglar.

Ahmaud Arbery’s mother wants to know where is the justice.

“I just think about how they could allow these two men to kill my son and not be arrested, that’s what I can’t understand,” Wanda Cooper told news partner First Coast News.

A police report states about 1 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 23, Glynn County officers responded to Satilla and Holmes drives where shots were fired. They found Arbery, 25, dead on the scene.

Gregory McMichael, who worked several years for the Brunswick Police Department before serving as an investigator in the Brunswick District Attorney’s Office, told police there were several break-ins in the neighborhood. He said he saw Arbery running down Satilla Drive and asked his son Travis McMichael to help him confront him.

McMichael and his son got a shotgun and handgun because they “didn’t know if Arbery was armed or not.”

The father and son got into their truck and drove down Satilla toward Burford Drive. Gregory McMichael stated when they arrived at Holmes Drive, they saw Arbery running down Burford, according to the report.

Gregory McMichael told police they attempted to cut off Arbery and shouted “stop, stop, we want to talk to you.”

McMichael pulled up next to Arbery, and Travis McMichael got out of the truck with the shotgun. According to statements, that’s when the father said Arbery attacked his son and the two men started fighting over the shotgun. Travis McMichael fired a shot and then a second shot.

After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georg…

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After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georgia, according to a district attorney.

Elements of the disturbing video are consistent with a description of the shooting given to police by one of those involved in the incident.

Ahmaud Arbery, 25, was jogging in a neighborhood outside Brunswick on February 23 when a former police officer and his son chased him down, authorities said. According to a Glynn County Police report, Gregory McMichael later told officers that he thought Arbery looked like a person suspected in a series of recent break-ins in the area.

After they chased down Arbery, McMichael told police, Arbery and McMichael’s son Travis struggled over his son’s shotgun. McMichael said two shots were fired before Arbery fell to the street, the report said.


S. Lee Merritt, an attorney for the Arbery family, said in a statement that the two men involved in the chase “must be taken into custody pending their indictment.”

Gov. Brian Kemp said the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has offered resources to Durden for his investigation. “Georgians deserve answers,” Kemp tweeted.

Kemp also retweeted the GBI’s post that Durden “formally requested the GBI to investigate the death of Ahmaud Arbery.”

 

[Guess Who]

Kinda surprised, honestly, by the tone of this thread. Long-time Crimewatchers ought to be well familiar with how the media work and a bit more skeptical of this story. The deceased was 25 years old, so why are we only being shown a photo from his high school yearbook? Could it be that more recent photos are less flattering?
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Was he really just a "jogger"? Does his attire suggest that he was just out for a jog? Did his behavior?

We've all seen the video. It's clear that Arbery was jogging/running and then confronted by two men in a truck. It's equally clear that he ran around the front of the truck and rushed the driver, who subsequently shot him. That's what happened, and that's called self-defense.

Keep in mind that this took place in February, when the police who responded to the scene saw no need to make arrests. The DA saw no need to pursue charges. Likely because he saw the CCTV footage of Arbery trespassing into a construction site, which prompted the 911 call, and the pursuit.
Why wasn't the CCTV footage shown by the media at the same time as the shooting video?

You are being fed an obviously false narrative. "Racist whites murder innocent unarmed black jogger"!!! Just as George Zimmerman magically became white after shooting Trayvon Martin, Arbery has become just a "jogger". No, not exactly. He was a convicted criminal, trespassing on a site which had been trespassed multiple times.

the dude had obviously stolen nothing. What was he possibly hiding on his body that could have been taken from that house under construction? What gives anybody, especially a former LE that knows better, the right to confront anybody that is not doing anything wrong, with a shotgun? What was he doing wrong to even deserve having a shotgun aimed at him in the first place? There was no excuse for that, especially from somebody that should have been trained better. None. They did not catch him doing anything wrong.

 

[KareBear]

Hold up... these dudes suspected that he was a burglar (an unarmed jogger seemingly minding his own business), so they go after him two vehicles deep, with a shotgun, and a camera-man following? The poor jogger didn't even have the opportunity to declare his innocence! This is whack! I'm glad arrests were made before I read this one!
I'm curious to learn more about citizen arrests now.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Hold up... these dudes suspected that he was a burglar (am unarmed jogger seemingly minding his own business), so they go after him two vehicles deep, with a shotgun, and a camera-man following? The poor jogger didn't even have the opportunity to declare his innocence! This is whack! I'm glad arrests were made before I read this one!
I'm curious to learn more about citizen arrests now.

Citizen's arrests are legal or they used to be in I believe every state, at least I grew up knowing what one "was". I never saw one or knew of one in my life, until once, which was done right and was nothing like this. I believe it is old law on most books yet. (Kind of like adultery is technically illegal in some states still but you never see an arrest for it). I don't think this case fits the necessary reasons they need for a citizens arrest. As former LE, he should have been well aware and known better. I feel no sympathy for these two men, I believe they are just what they appear to be and I wasn't going to say it but a couple of redneck, power hungry, full of a fake superiority complex, beer swilling, beer bellied, hunting, brain cell lacking,racist idiots. They are probably the type that thinks they are God's gift to women as well (huh?). I generally don't judge when I don't know but in this case, I will say it and add that that is just my impression. I guess if they can judge unfairly, I can judge them or judge a book by its cover in their case. I do allow that more information and/or video may come out and that is the only reason I maintain a bit of an open mind with some parts. I, however, do not have an open mind in any way about their decision to go after Arbery with firearms, THEY instigated and caused this. They deserve to be where they are and should have been taken in and jailed that very day. Just my opinion.

 

[Guess Who]

Citizen's arrests are legal or they used to be in I believe every state, at least I grew up knowing what one "was". I never saw one or knew of one in my life, until once, which was done right and was nothing like this. I believe it is old law on most books yet. (Kind of like adultery is technically illegal in some states still but you never see an arrest for it). I don't think this case fits the necessary reasons they need for a citizens arrest. As former LE, he should have been well aware and known better. I feel no sympathy for these two men, I believe they are just what they appear to be and I wasn't going to say it but a couple of redneck, power hungry, full of a fake superiority complex, beer swilling, beer bellied, hunting, brain cell lacking,racist idiots. They are probably the type that thinks they are God's gift to women as well (huh?). I generally don't judge when I don't know but in this case, I will say it and add that that is just my impression. I guess if they can judge unfairly, I can judge them or judge a book by its cover in their case. I do allow that more information and/or video may come out and that is the only reason I maintain a bit of an open mind with some parts. I, however, do not have an open mind in any way about their decision to go after Arbery with firearms, THEY instigated and caused this. They deserve to be where they are and should have been taken in and jailed that very day. Just my opinion.

a citizens arrest must include catching someone in a crime. They did not. As a former LE, he would know that.

 

[GrandmaBear]

a citizens arrest must include catching someone in a crime. They did not. As a former LE, he would know that.

Exactly.

 

[kdg411]

 

[GrandmaBear]

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Great example of that. Let them explain this one, there is no defense for it imo. My guess, and maybe I should not say it, that the father, and the son was maybe raised with the same attitude, was one of the type of cops that give all decent ones a bad name and abused his power. Hec* if true, even the rules of training for LE he felt did not apply to him and he could just ignore it and was above rules and procedures. .

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Citizen's arrests are legal or they used to be in I believe every state, at least I grew up knowing what one "was". I never saw one or knew of one in my life, until once, which was done right and was nothing like this. I believe it is old law on most books yet. (Kind of like adultery is technically illegal in some states still but you never see an arrest for it). I don't think this case fits the necessary reasons they need for a citizens arrest. As former LE, he should have been well aware and known better. I feel no sympathy for these two men, I believe they are just what they appear to be and I wasn't going to say it but a couple of redneck, power hungry, full of a fake superiority complex, beer swilling, beer bellied, hunting, brain cell lacking,racist idiots. They are probably the type that thinks they are God's gift to women as well (huh?). I generally don't judge when I don't know but in this case, I will say it and add that that is just my impression. I guess if they can judge unfairly, I can judge them or judge a book by its cover in their case. I do allow that more information and/or video may come out and that is the only reason I maintain a bit of an open mind with some parts. I, however, do not have an open mind in any way about their decision to go after Arbery with firearms, THEY instigated and caused this. They deserve to be where they are and should have been taken in and jailed that very day. Just my opinion.

From what I've read in articles about this. A citizens arrest can only be made when a felony is observed by the person making the arrest and no unreasonable force can be used in the arrest. All of these things were completely ignored.

 

[GrandmaBear]

From what I've read in articles about this. A citizens arrest can only be made when a felony is observed by the person making the arrest and no unreasonable force can be used in the arrest. All of these things were completely ignored.

I have read that too. I don't know if it varies by state or not is the only reason I never mentioned it. I knew of one citizen's arrest ever that was close to home in a way. I did not see it but I worked in a job I became aware of it. To share it generally, a man driving ridiculously drunk was driving basically a freeway/close to an interstate but it wasn't, but you get my drift, majorly divided northbound and southbound lanes in this case. As the facts unfolded later, different jurisdictions were getting calls from people who about had a head on with him going the wrong way down the freeway. He also weaved lanes, etc. and I can't quite remember but I think this was before cell phones were a common thing if at all. I believe people pulled off to find a phone. And who travels down a freeway expecting to meet a head on vehicle. I believe if I recall he had traveled from southern WI to about mid or a bit further. LE was becoming aware but again as he traveled and rapidly, he crossed into different counties, etc. They were trying to find him but again different areas and he continued to travel. I am a bit fuzzy on the details, it was some time ago (decades) and in this job I was there for years and there are many incidents, etc., but at some point he exited, or I can't remember, maybe went down an on ramp since he was going the wrong way? Into a smallish town. He either headed into a local bar or was hitting vehicles as he came into town, again I cannot quite remember and a few people and actually I believe they were bar patrons that drank probably themselves but not to obliteration and perhaps when he left they saw him hitting vehicles as he got into his vehicle and tried to leave or more likely by then LE had called area towns and businesses, or something, and said watch for this guy, or scanner, I can't recall. Anyhow, they got his keys away from him without injury and kept an eye on him until LE got there. The vehicle as I recall was littered with open full sized bottles of alcohol, empty, etc. I don't believe they held him at gunpoint and did not need to, I even think they reached in and took his keys before he realized, if he had tried to run off, you may try to keep track of them until LE gets there but you do not shoot or confront in the way that occurred in this case and this guy in this case was former LE and had no crime that had occurred!. This man had forced people off the road and more and I can't recall again sadly, but may have even caused deaths or would have. When all unfolded, his alcohol level was of a height that it is hard to believe he was alive. Even in that case, if they had SHOT him, I think they may have had some explaining to do. He had went miles and miles and I believe hours the wrong way up a divided highway. Gosh, I need to quit with these long posts. Do you know the only thing I can think of other than trying to stay alive or keep your family alive where it would be justified by yourself or even a neighbor is if someone attacked or killed a member of your family and he is now running with a machete, knife, etc. at your neighbor's house. Even then, imo, you still might have to explain yourself--you know how could you be sure the guy that just killed your family member had any intent to kill your neighbor, a defense attorney or whoever will try to twist it on ya?? Any officer that worked in LE and as an investigator to should know better. I mean let's thank those heroes like the coach at Parkland who lost his life protecting the kids or trying to. Let's thank people who shot someone dead in the middle of killing others. This was a HUNT and an ambush almost imo. I expect this to turn into a debate also over citizen arrest laws and not just a race thing. I would hate to see things retracted to the point no one can defend themselves or others at risk of harm but this was abused here and he really should have known better. They are where they belong, in jail. I need to quit posting lengthy diatribes. I know it. Edited to fix boo boos/errors.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

I have read that too. I don't know if it varies by state or not is the only reason I never mentioned it. I knew of one citizen's arrest ever that was close to home in a way. I did not see it but I worked in a job I became aware of it. To share it generally, a man driving ridiculously drunk was driving basically a freeway/close to an interstate but it wasn't, but you get my drift, majorly divided northbound and southbound lanes in this case.

As the facts unfolded later, different jurisdictions were getting calls from people who about had a head on with him going the wrong way down the freeway. He also weaved lanes, etc. and I can't quite remember but I think this was before cell phones were a common thing if at all. I believe people pulled off to find a phone. And who travels down a freeway expecting to meet a head on vehicle. I believe if I recall he had traveled from southern WI to about mid or a bit further.

LE was becoming aware but again as he traveled and rapidly, he crossed into different counties, etc. They were trying to find him but again different areas and he continued to travel. I am a bit fuzzy on the details, it was some time ago (decades) and in this job I was there for years and there are many incidents, etc., but at some point he exited, or I can't remember, maybe went down an on ramp since he was going the wrong way? Into a smallish town. He either headed into a local bar or was hitting vehicles as he came into town, again I cannot quite remember and a few people and actually I believe they were bar patrons that drank probably themselves but not to obliteration and perhaps when he left they saw him hitting vehicles as he got into his vehicle and tried to leave or more likely by then LE had called area towns and businesses, or something, and said watch for this guy, or scanner, I can't recall.

Anyhow, they got his keys away from him without injury and kept an eye on him until LE got there. The vehicle as I recall was littered with open full sized bottles of alcohol, empty, etc. I don't believe they held him at gunpoint and did not need to, I even think they reached in and took his keys before he realized, if he had tried to run off, you may try to keep track of them until LE gets there but you do not shoot or confront in the way that occurred in this case and this guy in this case was former LE and had no crime that had occurred!. This man had forced people off the road and more and I can't recall again sadly, but may have even caused deaths or would have. When all unfolded, his alcohol level was of a height that it is hard to believe he was alive. Even in that case, if they had SHOT him, I think they may have had some explaining to do. He had went miles and miles and I believe hours the wrong way up a divided highway.

Gosh, I need to quit with these long posts. Do you know the only thing I can think of other than trying to stay alive or keep your family alive where it would be justified by yourself or even a neighbor is if someone attacked or killed a member of your family and he is now running with a machete, knife, etc. at your neighbor's house. Even then, imo, you still might have to explain yourself--you know how could you be sure the guy that just killed your family member had any intent to kill your neighbor, a defense attorney or whoever will try to twist it on ya?? Any officer that worked in LE and as an investigator to should know better. I mean let's thank those heroes like the coach at Parkland who lost his life protecting the kids or trying to. Let's thank people who shot someone dead in the middle of killing others. This was a HUNT and an ambush almost imo. I expect this to turn into a debate also over citizen arrest laws and not just a race thing. I would hate to see things retracted to the point no one can defend themselves or others at risk of harm but this was abused here and he really should have known better. They are where they belong, in jail. I need to quit posting lengthy diatribes. I know it. Edited to fix boo boos/errors.

Interesting story. Sounds like some citizens stepped up heroically.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

From what I've read in articles about this. A citizens arrest can only be made when a felony is observed by the person making the arrest and no unreasonable force can be used in the arrest. All of these things were completely ignored.

He didn't follow the rules as a cop, why would he follow the rules as a civilian? Quite obvious he/they consider themselves to be above the law.

I said it before and I'll say it again. I don't care if he was literally running down the street with a stolen tv. Their actions would still be inexcusable.

 

[Howell]

I can only speak for myself but I have fallen for no such thing. I have no doubt the news leans a certain way and so does some of the narrative. However, in this case, especially with one man having been in law enforcement himself and an investigator to boot, I think his decision and reaction were nothing short of stupid and uncalled for, and probably illegal, to put his son in a truck with him and for both to grab weapons and go after this man. They apparently over time had proof of nothing or with his connections, I would think LE would have arrested Ahmaud previously and charged him or at least questioned him. I even allow in my mind for the fact Ahmaud may have been up to no good, but I am not going to say that about a dead victim as I don't know. Even if that was the case, my opinion is based on the overall, thus far, facts. He was not on their property or threatening them, they went after him, they had proof of nothing to my knowledge proving any thefts were due to him, he did not threaten them, they did him by having firearms and chasing him down.

All that being said, I also understand your opinion and that is often where I stand in many cases. This one, however, I see a bit differently. I think their reaction and decision to go after him was wrong. If he had been armed, they could well be dead as well depending on who they were chasing, not saying that specifically about Arbery but anyone they may have thought to be a criminal or thief. I do not believe they would have reacted the same had they found who they believed to be stealing was a friend's son, etc. It is interesting you bring up Zimmerman because I felt a bit differently in that case. However, he encountered someone on his own property. To me, that adds to the point here, we have a former investigator law enforcement officer that looked for evidence to bring charges in his career, he has to know the trends today and the law for sure, and know the Zimmerman case where that man defended his own property and was still charged, or at least if some believe he was not defending himself, in that case, someone was on HIS property in HIS home basically, here we have none of that for reason or cause to actually even chase someone down with a vehicle and firearms. My opinion may change in this case as more facts come out but I don't think my opinion about them going after him will change. However, I also totally understand your opinion and while I haven't said it much here, I doubt this victim was an angelic choir boy, but I also don't know enough to judge him or what he was doing that day. It is not like they just saw him run out of an occupied neighbor's home with a bloody machete, I might see it somewhat differently then; he didn't even have anything on him that looked like he took anything. I will say and it may not be popular that I don't truly see this as enough for first degree for a slam dunk certain conviction but it is likely they will be made an example of and if they decrease the charges any bit, people will yell. People are also correct though in my opinion that if this situation was reversed, two black men going after a white man with weapons and a vehicle in the same circumstances would be locked up the same night, that is a difficult one to believe otherwise. In whole though, I get disgusted with some cases made into a racial thing when sometimes I don't think it applies. All of this is just my personal opinion and I am only speaking for myself. I enjoy discussion of all points of view .

Well first, Zimmerman was not on his own property. He was in his neighborhood where he saw someone acting suspicious, after which he contacted the police and followed him. The same happened in this case. Zimmerman was attacked and defended himself. McMichael was attacked and defended himself. Now, surely one can argue that it's "stupid" for either of these shooters to have pursued the suspects at all, but that doesn't negate their right to defend themselves. It's perfectly legal to follow a suspected criminal in order to aid the police when they show up.
Arbery could've stopped and talked to them. I think that's what most innocent "joggers" would do. He could've simply ignored them and kept running, or he could've called the police himself. Instead, he attacked them.

 

[Howell]

the dude had obviously stolen nothing. What was he possibly hiding on his body that could have been taken from that house under construction? What gives anybody, especially a former LE that knows better, the right to confront anybody that is not doing anything wrong, with a shotgun? What was he doing wrong to even deserve having a shotgun aimed at him in the first place? There was no excuse for that, especially from somebody that should have been trained better. None. They did not catch him doing anything wrong.

That's simply not true, and surely you know this. Arbery was seen trespassing on a construction site, which was an ongoing problem at that property. This is what prompted the 911 call and their pursuit to begin with.

 

[Guess Who]

That's simply not true, and surely you know this. Arbery was seen trespassing on a construction site, which was an ongoing problem at that property. This is what prompted the 911 call and their pursuit to begin with.

which is not illegal if the owner will not prosecute. For a citizens arrest they would have to find him in the commission of being in there at the time, which he was not. As a former LE, he knew that. Period.

 

[Howell]

which is not illegal if the owner will not prosecute. For a citizens arrest they would have to find him in the commission of being in there at the time, which he was not. As a former LE, he knew that. Period.

Again, that is not accurate. It is illegal to trespass whether the owner later decides to prosecute or not. Just as it's illegal to shoplift, even if the store owner later decides not to prosecute, or even if he never finds out.

Whether they had sufficient cause to make a citizen's arrest is irrelevant. At no point did they try to forcibly detain him. They had every right to try and talk to him, and he had every right to ignore them, but HE ATTACKED THEM. Period.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well first, Zimmerman was not on his own property. He was in his neighborhood where he saw someone acting suspicious, after which he contacted the police and followed him. The same happened in this case. Zimmerman was attacked and defended himself. McMichael was attacked and defended himself. Now, surely one can argue that it's "stupid" for either of these shooters to have pursued the suspects at all, but that doesn't negate their right to defend themselves. It's perfectly legal to follow a suspected criminal in order to aid the police when they show up.
Arbery could've stopped and talked to them. I think that's what most innocent "joggers" would do. He could've simply ignored them and kept running, or he could've called the police himself. Instead, he attacked them.

I stand corrected then. I thought he was the one where another guy ran onto his porch to allegedly find a safe spot, etc.

I don't agree with you but that's fine. I do not think this is as clear cut as you think, jmo. I found the 911 call quite interesting. One more thing to add is allegedly they were taking other streets to go around and cut him off, etc. Perhaps he knew or thought they were not going to give up and he was unarmed. I am not even going to claim to know all of the facts, none of us do imo. A cameraman on top of it that seems to record only certain things? I don't know...

I can tell more than a few true stories and one is about a man that was continually robbed and set up a shotgun in his shed (where the robberies occurred) for the next time that would go off when someone broke in the door and yes, HE WAS charged and many could not believe it, myself included.

I thought I read that in Georgia they have to be in the commission of a felony? Does a trespass of an open house with no weapon and nothing taken constitute that? I am not being a smartarse, I truly don't know. And a certain class of felony on top of it.

Law is one thing, juries are another, but regardless of that, the choice of these men was stupid. Imho.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I stand corrected then. I thought he was the one where another guy ran onto his porch to allegedly find a safe spot, etc.

I don't agree with you but that's fine. I do not think this is as clear cut as you think, jmo. I found the 911 call quite interesting. One more thing to add is allegedly they were taking other streets to go around and cut him off, etc. Perhaps he knew or thought they were not going to give up and he was unarmed. I am not even going to claim to know all of the facts, none of us do imo. A cameraman on top of it that seems to record only certain things? I don't know...

I can tell more than a few true stories and one is about a man that was continually robbed and set up a shotgun in his shed (where the robberies occurred) for the next time that would go off when someone broke in the door and yes, HE WAS charged and many could not believe it, myself included.

I thought I read that in Georgia they have to be in the commission of a felony? Does a trespass of an open house with no weapon and nothing taken constitute that? I am not being a smartarse, I truly don't know. And a certain class of felony on top of it.

Law is one thing, juries are another, but regardless of that, the choice of these men was stupid. Imho.

I should clarify that the shotgun was rigged to hit low and the robber was not killed but injured. The homeowner had two homes and this was a second residence. Every prior robbery and break-in had been reported and the person was never caught nor charged and kept right on doing it. So he took it into his own hands. And again was charged. No race involved. Long ago. And the person was trespassing and robbing. I will say the homeowner managed to catch the criminal but whether it was worth what he went through after? I have no idea what he would say.

 

[Howell]

I stand corrected then. I thought he was the one where another guy ran onto his porch to allegedly find a safe spot, etc.

I don't agree with you but that's fine. I do not think this is as clear cut as you think, jmo. I found the 911 call quite interesting. One more thing to add is allegedly they were taking other streets to go around and cut him off, etc. Perhaps he knew or thought they were not going to give up and he was unarmed. I am not even going to claim to know all of the facts, none of us do imo. A cameraman on top of it that seems to record only certain things? I don't know...

I can tell more than a few true stories and one is about a man that was continually robbed and set up a shotgun in his shed (where the robberies occurred) for the next time that would go off when someone broke in the door and yes, HE WAS charged and many could not believe it, myself included.

I thought I read that in Georgia they have to be in the commission of a felony? Does a trespass of an open house with no weapon and nothing taken constitute that? I am not being a smartarse, I truly don't know. And a certain class of felony on top of it.

Law is one thing, juries are another, but regardless of that, the choice of these men was stupid. Imho.

I don't think it's particularly clear cut. I agree that these guys probably approached the situation poorly. There are different perspectives to be considered here, and I'm open to hearing them. You admit you don't know all of the facts, yet you feel comfortable branding these two men as 'redneck, beer-swilling, racist idiots'...Do you really think that's fair?

 

[Cousin Dupree]

I stand corrected then. I thought he was the one where another guy ran onto his porch to allegedly find a safe spot, etc.

I don't agree with you but that's fine. I do not think this is as clear cut as you think, jmo. I found the 911 call quite interesting. One more thing to add is allegedly they were taking other streets to go around and cut him off, etc. Perhaps he knew or thought they were not going to give up and he was unarmed. I am not even going to claim to know all of the facts, none of us do imo. A cameraman on top of it that seems to record only certain things? I don't know...

I can tell more than a few true stories and one is about a man that was continually robbed and set up a shotgun in his shed (where the robberies occurred) for the next time that would go off when someone broke in the door and yes, HE WAS charged and many could not believe it, myself included.

I thought I read that in Georgia they have to be in the commission of a felony? Does a trespass of an open house with no weapon and nothing taken constitute that? I am not being a smartarse, I truly don't know. And a certain class of felony on top of it.

Law is one thing, juries are another, but regardless of that, the choice of these men was stupid. Imho.

The reason he was charged is that if there had been a fireman or a policeman who went to check it out they could have been shot instead. You can't set booby traps like that. A woman I'd heard about Vaselined the steps leading upstairs so nobody could come up and harm her. I think she had a chairlift for herself. The problem with that is if her house caught on fire or called 911 the responders could be hurt trying to save her.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don't think it's particularly clear cut. I agree that these guys probably approached the situation poorly. There are different perspectives to be considered here, and I'm open to hearing them. You admit you don't know all of the facts, yet you feel comfortable branding these two men as 'redneck, beer-swilling, racist idiots'...Do you really think that's fair?

Nope, I debated saying that, and it is not my normal way. However, they seemed to judge and kill based on at most a simple trespass so I went there.... Not my proudest remark but if the pot wants to call the kettle black...

I truly was not going to say it nor post it but I do doubt they would have chased a neighborhood young man/friend nor shot him in the same way...

And it is not clear cut.

I will own my remark, I did say it. And really thought about saying it... And I am not anti hunting anti beer, etc... They just seem like they feel they had every right and even up to the moment of death to do as they did...

I am sorry but this looked like a posse almost... Bullies. However, I do like to discuss and on some other cases, I may surprise you that my opinion might be different than here.