Australia CHARLISE MUTTEN: Crown v Justin Stein for 2022 murder of 9-year-old step-daughter *GUILTY*

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Search continues for missing nine-year-old girl in the NSW Blue Mountains

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Missing nine-year-old girl was holidaying in the Blue Mountains, search continues​

Police are continuing an extensive search for a missing nine-year-old girl who was holidaying in the NSW Blue Mountains.

Charlise Mutten, 9, was reported missing from a Mt Wilson property at about 8.20am on Friday and has reportedly been missing since Thursday.

Acting Superintendent John Nelson said Charlise is originally from Queensland and has been holidaying with her family in Mt Wilson over the school break.


Superintendent Nelson said Mt Wilson is a large area to search and police will use all resources possible to try and find the girl.

"The Mt Wilson area is a small community surrounded by bushland and some rugged bushland," he said.

The search restarted at first light with police holding grave concerns for the girl's welfare.

Crews looked in tents and bins for any sign of the child yesterday.


Officers are investigating all possibilities in the search for Charlise.

"She's a nine-year-old girl and she's missing we're here to pull out every stop that we can," Superintendent Nelson said.

"We're not discounting any scenario at this stage."


A woman was comforted by ambulance officers at the search centre before being taken to a Katoomba hospital.

Police are appealing for help from the public and have sent out geo-targeting messages.

Her parents' house has also been searched and is under police guard.

Superintendent Nelson said it is a "traumatic" experience for the family.

A car was seized in Penrith by police yesterday.

9News understands the homicide squad has been called in to assist local detectives.


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Media - CHARLISE MUTTEN: Missing from Mt. Wilson, NSW since 13 Jan 2022 - Age 9
 
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SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
I don't believe mom was getting married. There's been nothing said about a wedding, other wedding guests who may have been on the premises or coming, etc. I think they were just on holiday.


Wasn't your question WHY she was living with her grandmother in the first place? I've seen nothing to answer that question. This just says that she was visiting her mom.
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Actually I had wondered what led to her living with her grandmother. So yes. I should have clarified my response here was "oh well it's clear her mother doesn't normally live with grandma, too".
 
Guess Who said:
To be fair, I couldn't have told you what my kids wore on any specific day most days, especially hectic ones like this family was presumably having and at that age, my kids liked packing their own clothes when we did go places so I may or may not have been able to tell you what was missing or not. They packed and i only checked that they had necessities, not really caring most of the time which ones specifically.
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True. I can go both ways on that. We don't know enough. It would depend on how long of a trip (weekend or entire summer), was this a place they were at for an event, staying at for a long time or just a short visit, was she with someone that day and not her mother, who packed her things and a whole lot more.
 
RoundPeg said:
Actually I had wondered what led to her living with her grandmother. So yes. I should have clarified my response here was "oh well it's clear her mother doesn't normally live with grandma, too".
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The news doesn't help. The first reports here said several contradictory things. I won't list them but I noted a LOT. Just one or two are it sounded at first as if her mom and she were on holiday there and actually lived elsewhere. Now she doesn't apparently live with mom although maybe she gets her every summer but I don't even think we know if she was with her for a long weekend or for the full summer.

And that's just a few of the many contradictory things they said as to who lives where, who owns what house and where and more.

The first flush of news always has things wrong it seems but in this one it seems they were running with unverified things and then changing them even in the same article minutes later smh.

I didn't even comment after reading this thread the first two times as the news was well, just as I just said. Much remains unclear in fact.

Jmo.
 
RoundPeg said:
This is a radio talk show in Australia.

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I think this tells us or seems to better fact than the other news has.

So she has two children. And while she may be clean, I'm not saying she isn't, she relapsed and was violent and yet received what seems a pretty light sentence. I don't mean this in any judgment but think most would agree a former ice addict with a jail record hooking up with a man from a very wealthy family sounds like a fairy tale or romance novel and probably doesn't usually happen.

It also tells us this was a two week visit. It isn't entirely clear to me why they were at this venue instead of at his converted warehouse but it could be visiting, being in the country, etc. or for whatever reason.

Our property is about 12 acres so I can tell you first hand if anyone thinks that is huge, it isn't. It would be unlikely a five year old could get lost on ours and a 9 year old definitely not. Terrain can differ but still it isn't much property to search and they have grounds for weddings that are likely manicured as well.

I'm not saying she could not have wandered off the property or there couldn't be adjoining properties, woods, etc. but she didn't get lost ON the property unable to find her way back if she is a normal nine year old, it's not big enough. She would have sight of buildings the minute she had a line of vision.

The other thing that bothers me is it says no one saw her since afternoon and they called the next morning. What? No one said good night to her, told her it was time for supper, asked her if she was ready to eat, etc.? That's not an accusation, it just doesn't sit right.

Thank you for posting this, it was more informative than anything I've seen, not that I've looked for more info.
 
Early on in some article above, if one can trust the news, it said they searched tents, etc. There hasn't been much explanation of that but I wonder if it was on the property or off? It is national park or some such around there or the property is part of... What I mean is, is this also a property with camping, cabins, maybe a lodge that people rent while having a weekend wedding at minimum or can stay otherwise on holidays? If so, there may have been strangers on the property is what I am getting at.

I don't think in general a 9 year old would go in the water alone or do some other things a younger child might and generally they know by that age what could happen. They don't tend to get lost easily either in the way of younger children and would know more if they did.

Since there is a bit of info now that might be somewhat reliable, I'm forming first thoughts. Not a conclusion, just what is slightly more likely than not. Something was done to her by someone on the property or someone on the property took her off or led her somewhere. I'd rather not think it is anyone in his family, him, the mother or friends of any of these but I don't like the fact she was last seen in the afternoon and not reported missing until the next day. Unless there is some reasonable explanation for that or it is incorrect, it is hard not to look at that as inexplicable.
 
Here is the wedding venue. Tons of pictures. There are many trimmed shrubs, lots of trees, etc. that would obstruct view but it is manicured. Don't miss the story that tells some about the family... I am going to look a bit further to see if I can find an actual website maybe.

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A Grand Yet Intimate Garden In The Blue Mountains

Tour Wildenstein Garden, a rambling 12-acre property in the Blue Mountains town of Mount Wilson.
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Found someone who shared their wedding there. A few more pics, they did have a reception in a building and catered food, etc. Showed it decorated with chairs outside, etc. I'd have to find that one again but here's an Instagram with a few other wedding photos Gorgeous fancy, elegant place imo.

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Wildenstein (@wildenstein) • Instagram photos and videos

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Huge twist in search for Charlise Mutten in Mount Wilson

Police looking for Charlise Mutten will focus on a red Holden ute belonging to her future step-father, Justin Stein. His vehicle was impounded in Penrith - 80km from where she went missing.
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TIMELINE OF CHARLISE MUTTEN'S DISAPPEARANCE​

January 13: Charlise Mutten, nine, was last seen on the verandah of an estate called Wildenstein in Mount Wilson, north-west of Sydney.

January 14: Charlise was reported missing at 8.20am. Police flocked to the 12.5-acre wedding venue and established a crime scene.
Neighbours told detectives they saw a car at 4.20am on Friday, with no headlights on.
Investigators seized a Holden Colorado ute on High Street in Penrith for forensic testing, which belongs to her mother's fiance.
Her mother Kallista Mutten, 31, collapsed and was taken to hospital.
Ms Mutten's fiancé Justin Stein, whose family owns the lavish property, spoke with police in Penrith.

January 15: Homicide detectives took over the search.
Police divers seized a boat in the Hawkesbury River and scanned it for fingerprints. The boat will also be kept for forensic testing.
Investigators continued to scour fire trails in dense bushland surrounding the property.

January 16: RFS volunteers found 'very small and barefooted' prints along a fire trail.
'Certain items' have been uncovered by detectives, but police have not been able to determine the schoolgirl's whereabouts.

January 17: A convoy of five police vehicles and detectives on foot entered the property around 11.30am.
One detective ordered media to 'leave, now!' from outside the gates of the five hectare wedding venue retreat
A police bus followed by unmarked police cars rolled through the gates as a uniformed officer stood guard.
Earlier, plain clothes child protection squad officers drove into the property.
Ms Mutten will be questioned by police.

January 18: Police say Charlise will likely be 'lethargic' and 'stationary' if she's lost in the bush.
 
I assume the top pic here is of this place on Pinterest. These might not tell us anything but for me I like to be able to picture a property if possible or an area. Anyhow, it is beautiful but considering a child is missing from here, this pic strikes me a bit spooky and lonely.

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WILDENSTEIN WEDDING VENUE | Garden wedding venue, Mountain wedding venues, Wedding venues

Jan 28, 2019 - Wildenstein is an extraordinary, sprawling estate at Mount Wilson. Come for our events or book the gardens for your Blue Mountains Wedding Venue.
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GrandmaBear said:
I think this tells us or seems to better fact than the other news has.

So she has two children. And while she may be clean, I'm not saying she isn't, she relapsed and was violent and yet received what seems a pretty light sentence. I don't mean this in any judgment but think most would agree a former ice addict with a jail record hooking up with a man from a very wealthy family sounds like a fairy tale or romance novel and probably doesn't usually happen.

It also tells us this was a two week visit. It isn't entirely clear to me why they were at this venue instead of at his converted warehouse but it could be visiting, being in the country, etc. or for whatever reason.

Our property is about 12 acres so I can tell you first hand if anyone thinks that is huge, it isn't. It would be unlikely a five year old could get lost on ours and a 9 year old definitely not. Terrain can differ but still it isn't much property to search and they have grounds for weddings that are likely manicured as well.

I'm not saying she could not have wandered off the property or there couldn't be adjoining properties, woods, etc. but she didn't get lost ON the property unable to find her way back if she is a normal nine year old, it's not big enough. She would have sight of buildings the minute she had a line of vision.

The other thing that bothers me is it says no one saw her since afternoon and they called the next morning. What? No one said good night to her, told her it was time for supper, asked her if she was ready to eat, etc.? That's not an accusation, it just doesn't sit right.

Thank you for posting this, it was more informative than anything I've seen, not that I've looked for more info.
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The no goodnight thing is what got me, too. Who was supposed to be responsible for looking after her that night?
 
GrandmaBear said:
Early on in some article above, if one can trust the news, it said they searched tents, etc. There hasn't been much explanation of that but I wonder if it was on the property or off? It is national park or some such around there or the property is part of... What I mean is, is this also a property with camping, cabins, maybe a lodge that people rent while having a weekend wedding at minimum or can stay otherwise on holidays? If so, there may have been strangers on the property is what I am getting at.

I don't think in general a 9 year old would go in the water alone or do some other things a younger child might and generally they know by that age what could happen. They don't tend to get lost easily either in the way of younger children and would know more if they did.

Since there is a bit of info now that might be somewhat reliable, I'm forming first thoughts. Not a conclusion, just what is slightly more likely than not. Something was done to her by someone on the property or someone on the property took her off or led her somewhere. I'd rather not think it is anyone in his family, him, the mother or friends of any of these but I don't like the fact she was last seen in the afternoon and not reported missing until the next day. Unless there is some reasonable explanation for that or it is incorrect, it is hard not to look at that as inexplicable.
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tents on that property are probably the big white venue type "tents", not camping tents.
 
Guess Who said:
The no goodnight thing is what got me, too. Who was supposed to be responsible for looking after her that night?
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I can't think of a single scenario where someone should not have seen her since the afternoon until the next morning either. And even more so when on a trip or somewhere different to her, etc. and when the mother doesn't get to see her all of the time or be in her life daily.

The only thing I can think of is if the mother and bf let her go off on a day trip with someone else at that afternoon time, perhaps they were to be back late, say 10 or so and the mom and bf were in bed and did not realize until the next morning they never came back.

In any other scenario they should have seen her since the afternoon to morning or at LEAST wondered where she was and raised the alarm earlier by far short of serious neglect.

I don't think that would be the case though because LE would be raising an alarm for a certain vehicle or person one would think, UNLESS they are on someone's trail but pretending to look elsewhere to throw that person off and make them feel safe enough to make a mistake. I doubt that too.

If neither of those things is the case, which I doubt, then I feel the parents almost have to be lying or were completely neglectful and left her to her own devices night and day for supper, bedtime and everything else. Even then, wouldn't someone have seen her after that time or realized she was not around?

What is missing here is what they told the cops when the cops asked how they could not have seen her since afternoon the day before and asked them who fed her, said good night to her, etc. Because the cops HAVE to HAVE questioned that.

Added to it all is the father (I assume her bio dad) making the remark on FB was it? Something to the effect of could someone win the worst person of the year award twice or something? My guess is he meant the mother...
 
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Fog, rain and COVID outbreak hamper search for missing schoolgirl Charlise Mutten

Crews scouring the Blue Mountains for missing nine-year-old Charlise Mutten battle rain and fog, while their numbers are reduced due to a COVID-19 outbreak.
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Search for Charlise Mutten in NSW Blue Mountains enters fifth day, as weather and COVID hinder efforts​

Crews scouring the Blue Mountains for missing schoolgirl Charlise Mutten are pushing through poor visibility and rain as the search enters its fifth day.

At a briefing at the Rural Fire Service (RFS) headquarters at Mount Wilson, volunteers were told the nine-year-old would be "extremely lethargic" if she were found today and would need water immediately.

The ABC understands the rescue team is smaller today because some of its members have had to self-isolate after becoming infected with COVID-19.

Criminologist Xanthe Mallett, who has followed the cases of other missing children including William Tyrrell, said with mild weather and some rain there was "every hope" she would be found alive.


Ms Mutten reported her daughter missing to police the following morning but police haven't revealed whether she was formally interviewed since she was hospitalised for a medical condition days ago.

"They will be looking to talk to her soon, because every day that passes, you know that the information that she holds could be critical into finding Charlise," she said.
 
I realize some of my posts get long and actually it sometimes though brings thoughts when I put my words down and mull things over and I just had one:

HYPOTHETICAL ENTIRELY: Who called this in? I wonder if he gave the mom some story and she believed it and she didn't start to question anything until the next day...
 
GrandmaBear said:
I realize some of my posts get long and actually it sometimes though brings thoughts when I put my words down and mull things over and I just had one:

HYPOTHETICAL ENTIRELY: Who called this in? I wonder if he gave the mom some story and she believed it and she didn't start to question anything until the next day...
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SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
Ms Mutten reported her daughter missing to police the following morning but police haven't revealed whether she was formally interviewed since she was hospitalised for a medical condition days ago.
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I believe @SheWhoMustNotBeNamed posted the answer to your question.
 
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