DAVID "DAVE" EDWIN LEWIS: Murder & arson 13 miles east of Ashland, OR - 4 September 2008

David "Dave" Lewis was a 46 year old father of three. A jack of all trades and good man in any camp, Dave was well known and well respected in his mountain community where he lived on the summit of Dead Indian Memorial Road, 13 miles east of Ashland, Jackson County, Oregon for more than 20 years.

David was found dead after a fire at his rural cabin at 12801 Dead Indian Memorial Road. He had been murdered, shot & the cabin set fire.

David's remains were identified by DNA. There was also ANOTHER FIRE near Dave's cabin that same night, at a vacant vacation cabin at 18196 Dead Indian Memorial Road, about 5-6 miles away.

Edited to add media link: Dave Lewis was found murdered in his rural cabin east of Ashland, Oregon in 2008. His murder remains UNSOLVED!

 

[GrandmaBear]

There's a lot to interpret, that's for sure.
And how about the info that his vehicle doors were open and his boom-truck was "out of place"? And that his tools were scattered on the driveway and his fishing pole was on the ground?
The friend in the video thinks the scene was disguised but I'm not sure...
Anyway, it's very startling to hear what the man said David told him!

Definitely a lot to interpret/try to understand.

Yeah his vehicle doors open, I think welding tanks pulled off and put in home to explode I think was said, things scattered, etc. For me, that doesn't strike me as a contract killer/hired hit which Tresir mentioned. Not saying it's impossible, nothing is but my first thought was actually like a meth fueled crime spree and maybe like 20 year olds seriously. Then I thought of just a rampage, someone seriously angered by him. I GUESS it could have been a cover but seems unlikely, a cover for what, to look like theft or destruction to cover the intent was only the murder? I also have to tell myself this did not come from LE but it sounds like fact but I guess we don't know that... He was there though at the scene when LE was or after/during so he likely did see this... I tend to believe these details.

I wondered if they were looking for something but that doesn't really seem to fit. The car doors open lead me to ponder if he was again under control and taken there/home (or his body)... He well could have for example been ambushed or attacked at the resort bar or outside there on leaving or on closing and taken control of. In other words, no one came through the gate and surprised him at home or while asleep they had him and his truck/car and went there with him and made him open the gate if it wasn't, etc...

Lots of possibilities that's for sure. Since nothing really has been released nor ruled out...

 

[GrandmaBear]

You said

"Another things is every time I read he expected the person to show up, I sense it to mean on his doorstep in broad daylight unannounced maybe but not in the dark of the middle of the night to kill and torch him while starting with another man camping near a Pilot how far away and then torching another cabin on the way days later."

I was just correcting your bit that I bolded/underlined see above. You made it sound like Troy and Dave were murdered the same night and the two cabins were torched days apart. It was the other way round. Troy and Dave were killed days apart but the cabins were torched minutes/hours apart, the same day.

It's ok, these cases are way out there and I am still trying to get these two straight in my mind. I mean it is possible timewise that Dave shot Troy even, but not sure what the motive was at all for Troy to be killed. There is possibly more enemies that Dave may have had.

I haven't even started looking at the other case yet as that sounds like it was a gruesome beheading FFS.

Well believe it or not, I meant what you said and know that but probably didn't word it the best. What I meant is, just fixing how I said it is:

Not in the dark of night to kill and torch him while starting with another man (Troy days earlier) and then torching another cabin on the way (from Troy''s murder) days later (which it was). So I pretty much did say exactly what you say but my words in parenthesis show it more clearly to explain that's exactly what I was saying no? Again I probably didn't word it the best but that's exactly the order and time frame I meant...

The odd thought crossed my mind that Dave shot Troy today or yesterday... I didn't say it but when I was talking of how he may have been at the Pilot and even been the one offering the firewood delivery job (unlikely) that thought then popped into my head with kind of a "wow" reaction but I didn't say it here. However, I think it unlikely of course but just doing as we often do and letting the facts come in and letting thoughts come as we try to figure it out and get an idea of things. I do think it highly unlikely but no more so than a lot of things...

The other case didn't have much there yet on it if you want to look at it. I didn't see any horrid details about decapitation other than knowing he was dismembered or however they put it. I doubt it its related three years later or whatever it was but then who knows since murders apparently were unusual in this area in those years... I hate talking gruesome details it seems so disrespectful and I sure never want to but in the interest of the cases, it was said in one of those things in this thread I think in that blog that David's arms and legs were gone I believe it said and it put it down to the fire I believe but are they sure... I only say this as again hate talking about such but if so, maybe there is a link to the third case if it was actually dismemberment. That's a reach I think but just putting it out there as a possibility....

The case is more similar to Troy's in that he was alone on a trail and Dave was alone camping in a sleeping bag and someone just suddenly killed them but the dismemberment would be more similar possibly to Dave. POSSIBLY.

In all likelihood though I would think number three to be unrelated to these other two in any way. I am not convinced yet either that Troy and David are necessarily related.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think that guy in the video may have been an actor playing the part of a local. After I watched it some links came up that made me think that. But, as for what he said, I can't dispute or confirm.

Are you sure? Certainly came across as if he was the friend. Definitely possible I guess but why? Is he passed or something? The friend? It seemed like an interview/documentary. Clearly the "footage" of Troy was an actor in many spots if not all.

I guess it doesn't matter but if it was an actor, they sure never made it clear it was not the real deal or a real news interview, etc.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yes, but I think they must have tried unsuccessfully to sell it previously too based on the trulia link history posted.

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Kept dropping the price as you I think previously said or someone did. Maybe his sister waited for that until the price was right or the time just worked for her and the price in 2022. Funny developers didn't snap it up prior but then they likely try to get things with influence at far lower prices.

Although a beautiful gorgeous spot, not everyone would be interested imo. I know I wouldn't be even if I had tons of funds. I love rural and I love priivacy but I would never be up there. Priced too high clearly for those that might be interested and no home on it either. I'm getting lost in facts too, there was another put up wasn't there but when was that... In more recent years I think if I recall.

 

[GrandmaBear]

The only fact of the matter that I'm aware of is that there was a fire in the vicinity 13 days later.

An article earlier made it sound as if right there, same spot and more. It must be above as I read it earlier today. It also said responding personnel or firefighters had to wait like 24 minutes to get near it based on the situation and conditions or some such and then the article made it sound s if that's why they didn't find the person that set it as they had to wait that length of time. And that made it sound as if they felt they got there when the arsonist may have just lit it which made no sense to me. Maybe a poor news story I don't know... I'ts here somewhere for reading.

I don't think this fire necessarily connects Dave's and Troy's cases though. I'm not quite sold on that yet. His death is very different. They never lit a fire immediately to get rid of evidence or whatever the reason and it wasn't a building as in the other two and so on. It seems someone/s took some time at Deve's and poured accelerant on him, scattered things outside, etc. Troiy was shot in his sleep most likely and that was it and the perp left. There's a LOT different. But I'm also not saying they couldn't be related...

 

[GrandmaBear]

I know this is an out there theory but is it possible that Dave had some sort of altercation with Troy and killed him. Then after heading back to his cabin he decided to kill himself, so set his cabin up ready and then went to the other cabin and set fire first to give him time to get back and set his and then shot himself once the fire took hold in his cabin. It could explain the smoke in his lungs too if he waited for the fire to really take hold.

Also I am pretty sure they said he was in the bedroom.

I was working another version in my head way earlier. Similar in that maybe Dave shot Troiy (and recall this is days earlier or a couple anyhow) and someone/s knew it or who did it and they went after Dave for revenge for Troy and felt it was the last straw with him, had maybe had other issues or something... Your theory and mine are a bit out there but I have come to the same idea and pondered it and it started when I mentioned the firewood thing way earlier and whether Dave could have been at the Pilot...

I also asked about possible suicide way, way back and wondered if it had been ruled out for certain and don't think I had an answer but I was also flooding the thread with probably too many questions to keep up with.

I think these thoughts are out there but they make as much sense as anything else since we really have no info from LE. Imo anyhow...

If true in the VI's post that he had beaten up a sex offender and been jailed over it, that really has to make me wonder some things. Did his morals have some issue with Troyi? Did he have some kind of history? Was he a sex offender, gay, a wife beater, or something that bothered him? I hate wondering that but he had some issues clearly and had done time at least twice then (Dave) and I have no reason to wonder anythingi about Troy but just looking for motive and we don't know if Troy had a past or criminal past. Again I don't like mentioning and have absolutely no reason to wonder about Troiy so I feel bad doing so, but again looking for motive.

So anyhow I assure you you aren't the only one to have wondered about that scenario recently of Dave killing Troy.... I didn't mention it as I had no real reason to think it and hadn't formed the thought or made it work well but yes, it is one thing that I've been pondering too...

 

[GrandmaBear]

This is strange - they are believed to be linked and are looking for associates of both men. They won't disclose the link.

This was 2009. Perhaps they could disclose the link now in 2024?

What do you all make of it?

I think it is past time they disclose something and give this case some movement and interest. Without a doubt.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think if the JCSO decided to share more information with the public it would be incredibly beneficial. I don't want anyone to release anything that blows the case but c'mon, it's been 15.5 years.

People's memories fade and people pass on. The resort owner is an example, I have heard that he has passed. Let's say he's been the POI all these years, why not say that? Why keep it so tight lipped all these years?

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I agree and this isn't the only case I feel that way in. There comes a time... And i truly believe after so many years most families would settle for answers even if it may jeopardize the investigation because as you say memories fade, witnesses die, prosecutors, change, LE investigators change, sheriff's change, new personnel comes, old ones retire that knew the case and would be witnesses, etc.

Someone living free and free from public focus on them if named a suspect or anything for 15, 25, or 50 years isn't exactly justice either when they continue their lives with total freedom.

It's also hard to know in buttoned up cases like this for that many years that LE has done ANYTHING or HAS any info which is just another reason to show the public they do and to renew interest. Maybe by now someone who wouldn't come forward against someone would. Or it will trigger someone's memory if they release something that was formerly unknown...

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think it could be something revolving around firewood delivery, you know, Troy mentioned a firewood delivery job and David had that boom truck.

AND the friend said Dave would help anyone and would deliver firewood to people in need of it... I too have noted this possibility and even wondered if he isn't the one who offered Troy the job...

 

[Red Clover]

I think it could be something revolving around firewood delivery, you know, Troy mentioned a firewood delivery job and David had that boom truck.

The Ford would have been more likely there was no room for a cord of wood in the boom truck. The boom truck was for welding & construction jobs. He charged more per hour for the boom truck than he charged per hour for himself.

 

[Regina]

An article earlier made it sound as if right there, same spot and more. It must be above as I read it earlier today. It also said responding personnel or firefighters had to wait like 24 minutes to get near it based on the situation and conditions or some such and then the article made it sound s if that's why they didn't find the person that set it as they had to wait that length of time. And that made it sound as if they felt they got there when the arsonist may have just lit it which made no sense to me. Maybe a poor news story I don't know... I'ts here somewhere for reading.

I don't think this fire necessarily connects Dave's and Troy's cases though. I'm not quite sold on that yet. His death is very different. They never lit a fire immediately to get rid of evidence or whatever the reason and it wasn't a building as in the other two and so on. It seems someone/s took some time at Deve's and poured accelerant on him, scattered things outside, etc. Troiy was shot in his sleep most likely and that was it and the perp left. There's a LOT different. But I'm also not saying they couldn't be related...

For all I know, some nut-job started that fire believing they were ridding the place of evil. Seriously!

 

[GrandmaBear]

For all I know, some nut-job started that fire believing they were ridding the place of evil. Seriously!

You mean Troy's? Or David's?

I'm not convinced either that they are connected and one couldn't be something like that. Troy's for instance. Dave's seems more personal and angry but it's not impossible there either that someone wasn't just on some drug fueled rampage or also wasn't just some nutjob but I think it more unlikely.

 

[Red Clover]

An outline and some thoughts about what I will call the "firewood theory" being discussed

Troy Carney- found murdered in his sleeping bag on the Bear Creek Greenway near the Pilot Center in Central Point Oregon (approximately 20 miles N of Ashland Oregon on I-5) on the afternoon of September 4, 2008

1) Troy's mom told me fairly recently that when she had spoken with Troy, he told her he had been offered a 1/2 days work helping someone Troy didn't name with a firewood delivery.
AFAIK- LW doesn't know where the delivery was going to be delivered to, by whom or how. Troy did not have a vehicle of his own.

2) Troy's mom told me that she offered to wire him $100 for a bus ticket to help him get out of the Rogue Valley and get back up to the Willamette Valley or somewhere else with more work for him. The Pilot Center is also a Greyhound Bus Stop

3) Troy's mom, LW wired the money after speaking with him on the afternoon of Labor Day September 1, 2008. This is the last known contact with Troy.

4) The wired money was not picked up and LW said that was one of the first things LE asked her about
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David Lewis- found murdered in his mountain top cabin in the early morning of September 4 2008, 13 miles east of Ashland Oregon at 12801 Dead Indian Memorial Road

1) David made his living doing welding, construction, odd jobs, and very occasionally by cutting firewood

2) He did cut a large amount of wood for his own use, approximately 7 cords to get through a normal winter.
He worked year round when the ground was clear to keep up on this sometimes monumental task

*In approximately 2006, a friend of mine and my employer at the time needed some extra firewood for their own home in the mountains. Dave wasn't interested in delivering as it takes a ton of gas in a big truck and it's time consuming and all that so David asked them to come up to his place to pick it up and he helped load it.

3) Dave would definitely have helped a neighbor in need if they asked him for anything or he knew that they couldn't do for themselves, whether it was plowing a driveway, hauling in some groceries or splitting some firewood. Survival can be tenuous in the mountains and it's helpful to have a neighbor like Dave looking out

4) David would have been VERY UNLIKELY to be at the Pilot Center for any reason unless he HAD to go to Central Point for something. Dave wasn't a town guy and most anything needed he could've gotten in Ashland or Medford

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The relative that was expected to "just show up" after being told no

1) Asked LW if the firewood guy that offered Troy the job could be Dave Lewis

2) The VI on WS has suggested recently that Troy or someone that looked like Troy had been seen with David at Hyatt Lake over Labor Day weekend or on Monday Labor Day September 1 2008 AND was the source of an argument with the resort owner
*AFAIK this has never been documented

3) *Could Dave's relative have offered the firewood job to Troy; whether Dave needed help with a delivery or not, could this supposed "firewood delivery job" have been a ruse or a ploy to lure Troy to Hyatt Lake or to Dave's house or into Dave's vehicle in order to manufacture evidence that "someone" was seen with Dave that weekend or over Labor Day
*purely speculation on my part

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[Kimster]

Agree. All the crime activities seem male to me but with arson, yes, almost always.

I think the fires were to destroy evidence. A second possibility is someone hoped destroying these properties that were not in the hands of developers might bring them up for sale or drive someone away in fear? I didn't think so at first but maybe Dave was taken to the second cabin and killed. It was then torched to destroy all evidence of a murder and it created a distraction while he was then taken to his own home, all else done to him and property and that torched. It's a volunteer fire department that had to rely on tankers of water for lack of hydrants, etc. and one fire would tie them up good for some time I'd imagine. By the time the other was lit and then known about the perp/s were long gone before the FD could ever get there. And of course there'd be no reason for an LE call over a murder as no one would have expected that. Just a thought..The tie in if any between the fires may be something completely different.

My number one theory is at the fires were created in order to destroy the evidence. And I also agreed that statistics would say that it was a male that started the fires, but it doesn’t mean a female couldn’t start the fires that’s for sure. Females are certainly able to do so.

 

[Kimster]

I know this is an out there theory but is it possible that Dave had some sort of altercation with Troy and killed him. Then after heading back to his cabin he decided to kill himself, so set his cabin up ready and then went to the other cabin and set fire first to give him time to get back and set his and then shot himself once the fire took hold in his cabin. It could explain the smoke in his lungs too if he waited for the fire to really take hold.

Also I am pretty sure they said he was in the bedroom.

Wow, that is quite a theory, but it could happen. The thing is is that I think law enforcement would’ve found evidence of a firearm near him.

I really like that you’re thinking outside the box though. I don’t like it when we get narrowminded .

 

[Kimster]

I think if the JCSO decided to share more information with the public it would be incredibly beneficial. I don't want anyone to release anything that blows the case but c'mon, it's been 15.5 years.

People's memories fade and people pass on. The resort owner is an example, I have heard that he has passed. Let's say he's been the POI all these years, why not say that? Why keep it so tight lipped all these years?

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I know quite a few people in law-enforcement, and one thing I have learned is that each agency has their own way of doing things. They have their own vision and some will release a lot of information some will release some information and some are so tight lipped you don’t know what’s going on. It all depends on how cases are Run in their area. They get to know their judges, and they get to know their district attorneys and they try to work within the system that they have in their department. I hope that makes sense.

 

[Kimster]

I think if the JCSO decided to share more information with the public it would be incredibly beneficial. I don't want anyone to release anything that blows the case but c'mon, it's been 15.5 years.

People's memories fade and people pass on. The resort owner is an example, I have heard that he has passed. Let's say he's been the POI all these years, why not say that? Why keep it so tight lipped all these years?

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I met a JCSO deputy on one of the searches for Kyron Horman. Really nice guy!

 

[Kimster]

I think it could be something revolving around firewood delivery, you know, Troy mentioned a firewood delivery job and David had that boom truck.

That’s the best link I’ve read about so far!

 

[GrandmaBear]

An outline and some thoughts about what I will call the "firewood theory" being discussed

Troy Carney- found murdered in his sleeping bag on the Bear Creek Greenway near the Pilot Center in Central Point Oregon (approximately 20 miles N of Ashland Oregon on I-5) on the afternoon of September 4, 2008

1) Troy's mom told me fairly recently that when she had spoken with Troy, he told her he had been offered a 1/2 days work helping someone Troy didn't name with a firewood delivery.
AFAIK- LW doesn't know where the delivery was going to be delivered to, by whom or how. Troy did not have a vehicle of his own.

2) Troy's mom told me that she offered to wire him $100 for a bus ticket to help him get out of the Rogue Valley and get back up to the Willamette Valley or somewhere else with more work for him. The Pilot Center is also a Greyhound Bus Stop

3) Troy's mom, LW wired the money after speaking with him on the afternoon of Labor Day September 1, 2008. This is the last known contact with Troy.

4) The wired money was not picked up and LW said that was one of the first things LE asked her about
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David Lewis- found murdered in his mountain top cabin in the early morning of September 4 2008, 13 miles east of Ashland Oregon at 12801 Dead Indian Memorial Road

1) David made his living doing welding, construction, odd jobs, and very occasionally by cutting firewood

2) He did cut a large amount of wood for his own use, approximately 7 cords to get through a normal winter.
He worked year round when the ground was clear to keep up on this sometimes monumental task

3 In approximately 2006, a friend of mine and my employer at the time needed some extra firewood for their own home in the mountains. Dave wasn't interested in delivering as it takes a ton of gas in a big truck and it's time consuming and all that so David asked them to come up to his place to pick it up and he helped load it.

3) Dave would definitely have helped a neighbor in need if they asked him for anything or he knew that they couldn't do for themselves, whether it was plowing a driveway, hauling in some groceries or splitting some firewood. Survival can be tenuous in the mountains and it's helpful to have a neighbor like Dave looking out

4) David would have been VERY UNLIKELY to be at the Pilot Center for any reason unless he HAD to go to Central Point for something. Dave wasn't a town guy and most anything needed he could've gotten in Ashland or Medford

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The relative that was expected to "just show up" after being told no

1) Asked LW if the firewood guy that offered Troy the job could be Dave Lewis

2) The VI on WS has suggested recently that Troy or someone that looked like Troy had been seen with David at Hyatt Lake over Labor Day weekend or on Monday Labor Day September 1 2008 AND was the source of an argument with the resort owner
*AFAIK this has never been documented

3) *Could Dave's relative have offered the firewood job to Troy; whether Dave needed help with a delivery or not, could this supposed "firewood delivery job" have been a ruse or a ploy to lure Troy to Hyatt Lake or to Dave's house or into Dave's vehicle in order to manufacture evidence that "someone" was seen with Dave that weekend or over Labor Day
*purely speculation on my part

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Well we who haven't followed this case for years wondered about it and wondered if it was a possibility so I don't find it odd family might as well. As much as it is said they were familiar with the area and more, and I get that you are too and of Dave's ways and habits, no one can know everything about another person or what they were doing or would do depending on circumstances. Even guys I"ve known that had dead set patterns would on rare occasoin go somewhere else once in a blue moon, need a change of scenery, a drive, go elsewhere for some reason or something like to the Pilot, etc.

Maybe it isn't likely but I don't see how it can be ruled out any more than any theory. You clearly knew him well and let me tell you I came from a wood burning family and 1/2 our life was cutting wood and putting up enough and even being ahead for he next winter. For instance, the boom truck I knew right away was not a likely thing for firewood, we aren't talking logging. Just because Dave once had a person pick it up doesn't mean he may not have owed someone a favor, they offered good payment to deliver, etc. even if this was not a common activity or money source for him as far as I can see.

There have now been three of us independently who wondered about Dave being at the Pilot and maybe you know this is the most unlikely thing of all, but it goes to show you that what is known leld three to that thought although with varying details or thoughts on it or of what happened. So I'd say with the info there is, it is a road that is there that people find to go down in speculating, myself included.

I don't know about the relative and saying someone that looked like him saw them together. I am not against your thoughts but I also don't have any reason to think family may not know more. We had a murder in our family and we knew things for first months and then years that the public didn't know.

Now if that relative is a serious suspect with LE they aren't going to share real and serious details but if not, then family knows more than we do. Ours did.

With all respect, and I MEAN that, I don't see the firewood/Pilot thought any more out there than that a female did all this. I find it less so actually. At the moment. That could change of course.

Personally, right now I think it relates to someone/s in David's area and someone he got in the way of one too many times or angered one too many times or just some person he angered once, fiercely that night. That's the most likely imo. Every single other thing has just a few more things that have to be fit in and explained whether the relative or the firewood theory or Dave being at the Pilot. Maybe he just wanted a change of scenery having angered the resort people and coworkers and others in the area.

 

[GrandmaBear]

My number one theory is at the fires were created in order to destroy the evidence. And I also agreed that statistics would say that it was a male that started the fires, but it doesn’t mean a female couldn’t start the fires that’s for sure. Females are certainly able to do so.

Yeah and I'm sure a few are capable of pulling of and putting welding tanks or whatever it was in the home and other things too, but I don't think I could do that a any point in my life, even my younger years.

In fact for all done, I'm thinking this wasn't just one person but if it was, I certainly don't see a female.

But yes anything is possible. Following crime, we've seen it all but some things are still the great exception to the rule.