DOERMAN BOYS: 3 sons shot “execution style” by father in Ohio *GUILTY PLEA*

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WATCH THIS. EVIL PIECE OF SH*T. This is recent. It is short. Doesn't matter whose show it is but I haven't seen it elsewhere, just came across it. I think we need to look into this one and have a thread.

THIS "father" killed his 3 sons in FRONT of the mother/his wife and his stepdaughter. Mom tried to do something and he I think shot her in the hand. Stepdaughter ran down the street screaming. In short order at the beginning of this, they show the police taking him down and into custody. A TWENTY million dollar bond was asked for by the prosecution.

When have we ever heard of one where the perp leaves the mom alone AND a stepchild but kills his own three boys in front of those two????? I haven't come across anything else about it but haven't looked, just happened to run into this with the bit of time I had before bed.

A MUST watch imo. And SHORT.

 
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So the three counts of aggravated murder against each of his little boys and guilty pleas of felonious assault against stepdaughter and wife. So either mom or the prosecution ensured the highest charge was taken for each victim in the family. At least one of those charges was count 18 and so a ton were dismissed. But seems like the most serious were left for each victim.

I do not recall any news of his stepdaughter being assaulted but do recall her running and panicking for help, poor girl, poor boys, all. That is new to me or I forgot it but I do not think so. Mom I knew about when she tried to intervene.

So a day or a few ago they file for not guilty by insanity or say as much, and then almost next day he comprehends everything, etc. which don't get me wrong, the insanity claim would probably be for that day.

I am listening now. I don't know how long it is or if I will listen to all, will have to look.

Judge is being appropriately very careful that he UNDERSTANDS everything. Etc.
 
He is just so calm about it all. Is there NO emotion over what he did and his dead boys?

Consecutively. Judge explains even though a person may have only one life, does he understand the reason for this is he will never get out.

What a crazy system it has turned into that they have to ensure that with three life sentences. Life without parole IS or USED to mean LIFE without parole or release but they have tou triply or more ensure these days. And then some nutcase that gets into office n 10 years may release such anyhow.
 
I'd impose a fine. Might sound silly but why not. Less commissary money, etc.

Not at thing about him right now seems drugged, mentally ill or anything else. Very with it and very calm. NO emotion but I don't mean that in a way of that he has some mental issues or is drugged for anything. He is just fine... All that also was asked earlier of his attorneys and him. Not to bring ours up but if I even start to talk about her, to this day I get so emotional. And HE was these boys' dad!

I wasn't looking for anything on this case, but it came up, and I decided to take a look and it is fully not news at all or commercials, it is JUST concluding this with the plea agreement, sentencing, etc. I think mom and stepdaughter will speak their VIS at some point.

He is now clearly and clear headedly pleading guilty to each charge.

Judge also made it clear and asked about the job his attorneys did, etc. (ensuring can't say incompetent counsel later, etc.). He is covering it ALL. Good judge imo, at least here. Not like I have seen him before or there's been a lot but he is covering all bases. Clearly.

He also covered the fact no mental issues, clear he can't claim that later, etc.
 
OMG. They are NOW giving details and I knew what has been out which was quite a bit but he killed the first boy in the bedroom, Mom tried to render aid, stepdaughter (not naming here even though they are) came running, mom told other boys to run. Middle I think headed out back door and stepdaughter picked up the youngest I believe and tried to feel with him. Defendant has been just very okay, a normal person but he picks up his water bottle at this point in the telling of this.

Defendant chased or followed or whatever if SD, I keep wanting to say her name as it is what they are saying as they relate it but I do NOT want to do that, and he threatened to shoot the SD in the head if she did not put the boy down. She put him down.

I am in tears now.

OMG. What choice does she have to try to save them both, and I have not even finished listening yet. Watch this guy, he is not medicated, mentally ill or anything imo. He is just cold and heartless but here seems like a nice average guy. I see now it is 47 minutes but if anyone cares about this case, I'd recommend this watch. I'd say he is like Chad Daybell except Chad didn't even come across normal imo. There's something more here and it is NOT mental illness. He is okay with what he did. Maybe wanted to hurt mom or some such? I don't know. He's as fine and normal as anyone could expect. I can't even pick apart this answering the judge's questions, etc. He's with it, he is fine and so on.

Okay storm sirens just started going off here and then my phone started bleeping alert type noises which I NEVER get. Patio doors are closed and I can all of a sudden here major wind. I can NEVER hear that with them closed.
 
In ALL MY years here I have never been able to hear the wind with closed patio doors. I am in a corner and face another wall. I suppose I should worry and look at what is going on but I got a long time ago where I used to worry about such but you know if it is meant to happen, it is meant to happen. Doesn't mean I am going to run outside in it. My phone NEVER alerts And the sirens never go off except for tests unless big. Not an area that any little cloud causes it.

Anyhow I am going to keep watching the rest of this. If I stop and don't finish well then a tornado has hit. I cannot BELIEVE I m hearing like roaring freight train out there. I have been in this unit for years and NOT ONCE have I been able to hear such.

Hopefully it passes. I should look at the alerts but not going to. Want to finish this even though it is in hard parts.

I don't know if anyone else will watch but I'd like to hear the take of others on him. He isn't messed up, he is pleading guilty, very calm, not a drugged kind of calm or anything, just like this is what it is and facing it but you'd think he'd have some emotion...? I could be watching a guy being questioned and sentenced on a hit an run, even a speeding ticket, just so okay.
 
Wow it is dark before 9 now. My schedule has me not noticing it getting shorter. It is 8:40 and been dark for a bit, not sure when. I do know when I have shifts for 9 it is now dark BUT we never get out of there at 9. Not sure I realized.

Anyhow off topic. Now it is so quiet... The still before...?? And suddenly so. Doesn't matter. Can't do anything about it anyhow. And I don't sweat such. Now my phone is beeping notifications, guessing it is my home security cameras even though another state? If they are getting some weather too, the motion and more sets them off steady.

SORRY for off topic. Going back to watching.
 
My phone was charging when it started alerting. Had to get up to do something so did grab it, haven't looked at all but first on screen alert, did not even have to enter my password,w as take shelter immediately in a basement, tornado warning, high alert. Haven't looked at how many other notifications I keep hearing yet, they aren't emergency sounding alerts. It is only 60 percent so I put it back on the charger. Also the storm sirens only went off once for awhile and no more, then that crazy wind came and no more sirens. there's no where to go where anyhow but to first floor, etc. and it's all brick. Well mostly.

Sooooo, I will probably have 50K notifications when I do look tomorrow or whenever but I was sharing what I am hearing here and I am going back to it.

Phseesh, notifications (not alerts) are coming steadily on it, it has to be at my home and the security cams with weather. Hopefully all stays well there. THAT I do worry about. But even a big rain will trigger it steady sometimes.

BACK to this case and the hard to listen parts now. I am going back, will be some seconds or a minute or two.
 
GrandmaBear said:
In ALL MY years here I have never been able to hear the wind with closed patio doors. I am in a corner and face another wall. I suppose I should worry and look at what is going on but I got a long time ago where I used to worry about such but you know if it is meant to happen, it is meant to happen. Doesn't mean I am going to run outside in it. My phone NEVER alerts And the sirens never go off except for tests unless big. Not an area that any little cloud causes it.

Anyhow I am going to keep watching the rest of this. If I stop and don't finish well then a tornado has hit. I cannot BELIEVE I m hearing like roaring freight train out there. I have been in this unit for years and NOT ONCE have I been able to hear such.

Hopefully it passes. I should look at the alerts but not going to. Want to finish this even though it is in hard parts.

I don't know if anyone else will watch but I'd like to hear the take of others on him. He isn't messed up, he is pleading guilty, very calm, not a drugged kind of calm or anything, just like this is what it is and facing it but you'd think he'd have some emotion...? I could be watching a guy being questioned and sentenced on a hit an run, even a speeding ticket, just so okay.
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GET TO THE BASEMENT!!
 
I had it wrong. The stepdaughter got to the bedroom and she was the first tone murdered as it happened. Mom had told the other two to run and the middle child had but dad went after him and SD, I am NOT going to say her name, but I keep slipping towards almost typing it, because that is what I am hearing as I listen and report on it.

Shot the oldest twice in the bedroom. Mom began to render aid and told the others to run. SD made her way to the master bedroom and saw oldest getting killed. Not sure what alerted her, no mention was mom screaming he had a gun before this, they only mention once oldest was killed she was yelling but something apparently got SD there where she was the killing of the first.

Anyhow mom told the boys to run and was trying to render aid. I HATE THIS, it is awful and who would it NOT trigger. MONSTER. Sitting there like the most decent well behaved and responsible male adult and not one part of me thinks he is mentally ill.

Anyhow, going back. Have to take it in parts.

My phone is still BLOWING UP.
 
SD witnessed his murder in the bedroom and began to run. I can only guess this is also due to mom yelling to run to the boys or just of her own reaction and she realized Clayton had fled out the back door and she ran to try to protect Clayton. Not going to pick on them but they could have these kids names right, has to correct himself here and here. Do not get me wrong, I don't have it straight but I'm not the prosecutor with the important facts at the finalization of this case. BUT he does catch himself and correct, more than once.

No one has to watch it as I am sharing about all but still different to watch and would like takes on it, and him.

So the three go out the back door it is said, Clayton first, then dad after him, the SD.

Then she saw the defendant (I will say D from hereon out) chase after Clayton, raise his rifle, fire numerous shots and saw Clayton fall. I probably should not be saying the kids names either just dawned on me but they aren't here on earth, so it's different that this poor traumatized sister who has to live it and relive it. AGain MONSTER.
 
She saw Clayton fall after gunfire and she saw the D approach Clayton as he lay injured and defenseless and put a bullet in his head killing him.

I need to stop for a bit. I am almost through it but can only imagine this is going to be the rest probably along with mom and SD's statements. Only about ten minutes left. But they have been packed minutes.

You know this case has not drawn a ton of attention here and yet it is so attrocious.

I had it wrong earlier and I think but I have to take some minutes, awful stuff, but I think after this she goes back and picks up the youngest child... I rewound as the storm alerts started and wasn't sure I was getting it right, etc. Long day. I think it is going to turn out that the sister saw all three die. I don't think I was wrong about the part coming, that he ordered her to put the youngest down or he would shoot her in the head.

Just can't do more right now. And again am guessing mom and daughter's statements are coming next. Reading mom's on here was one thing, hearing tit would be another And daughter's.

So close to done but need to go get some lightness. Five minutes of something else light. Like Canadian school lunches.

Phone continues to blow up but not every second now. Getting more spaced out.
 
Not sure I am ready yet and heard this earlier but needed to back up as I didn't get Clayton. So anyhow she sees second brother down for/going down. I already know and assume she saw him kill all three boys. She ran back into the residence and picked up the three year old after the 4 year old was taken down.

WTF is wrong with this man?!!!! And do NOT tell me oh, it's mental illness and he couldn't help it. BULLSHEET. Don't say it unless you watch this.

That is NOT an excuse for everything and it isn't always even true. And it's relative. Do you think a single one of us couldn't have or use that excuse and find someone to say such?

I only have ten minutes of it left and I just can't do it right now. Why is it he threatened the women to put them down, quit interfering, etc. or he would harm them but the targets were his own sons?

And AGAIN do NOT tell me mental illness.

If anyone else has seen it or has time if they have not, let me know. I can't do any more of this one right now and it is not due to lack of time as I don't work until noon tomorrow and it is just past ten. It's just too heavy. It wasn't entirely, it was lot of legal and just but now it is going into details.
I WILL finish this one though. I need to break from it. Probably in the morning. Need to not think of this poor SD who I think saw all die and tried to save all or at least the next two far the first who she saw die.

I think she saw them all die and the she has to probably wonder why not her, or mom. He TARGETED the boys. Both women were threatened but survive. What was he really doing...

I mean at the boys he targeted and MADE SURE of it...

Yes, I need to leave the court hearing or sentencing or whatever it is up and finish in the morning. Anyhow tried o also give coverage of most and I never looked for nor planned getting into this case tonight. In a way, I regret it came up.

I need some lightness or a different one.

No one will probably answer this, but it is a thought I have, have you ever seen a man jealous of his own children, the attention they get, and is almost competitive with even his young boys... I have. That attention can come from mom, sister, community, etc. And it can also be throughout life and worse when hitting teens. I don't know if this is it but it happens. It is beyond immature and ridiiculos but it does go on. He threatened both females , but he hunted those boys when the females were present too.... Nothing he did to them was fatal, he ensured the boys were.

This was a stepdaughter. Not saying he may not have cared but he threatened he to put the boy down or he would shoot her in the head but he never hesitated to shoot he boys... I can't even imagine what the women feel in that he didn't go for fatal shots against them...

See I came in to say I can't finish it right now but then wandered but no, I can't. I don't know if a single person has thoughts here and this thread has not had much activity anyhow for how awful, but there is something here.... As to his reasons and intent.

And it could be so simple as child support. Divorce. He wouldn't owe for the
 
owe for the SD most likely... But I don't think so. He's cold. HE is evil.

Stupid computer.

Anyhow here I am again but not going to stay. I seriously need something different. I think the last ten minutes of his are going to be heavy.

I WILL finish it though. They deserve it.
 
OMG not sure I am ready for this but I am back to the second and then the final boy. This SD saw ALL of it. Saw her stepdad take aim and shoot and then go up and finish at point blank range with the second one. She then ran back in and got the youngest. I am going to pause right there before I listen further.

I did listen to some of this last night but had to back up to have it right. And had enough before I got back through it.

And need to pause now after just a minute maybe. A break. Coffee. Watch HIM during this.
 
okay. going to try a little more. she tried to take chase and she did and ran with him but defendant saw and went after them. he pointed the rifle directly at her head and threatened to shoot her if she did not put him down
Kimster said:
I can’t even read all of this. It is too gut wrenching. I had no idea that he was stalking them like that. That’s even worse.
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It is gut wrenching. The entire thing was mostly legal stuff until now and I didn't expect this but had been watching and invested until I realized. I am going to try to stick it out but yes, it's very hard. I wish I hadn't started but then also I feel the need that people and I even know what this man did and no sorrow or mental b.s. for him. Part of me would rather NOT and be in denial and never look at any case I think see or hear such facts but once in I also feel like to not see it through is to abandon them or something. It sucks.

And a millionfold worse for the family.

If he EVER starts to try to claim otherwise, try to get out, appeal, anything, the more that know of him and what he did, the better imo, to fight such things.

That's the best way I can put it as I don't have the words.

It is heartbreaking and I did not expect to hear about what happened that day. I did figure the statement by mom and stepdaughter might be in it but I haven't hit that yet either but am guessing they are coming. That's why I kind of rolled through most of it but when hitting this part had to stop after enough and I had to again this morning and am now going to yet again. Like one more fact shared and listened to is enough and I'm taking a break. I think I only have like 9 minutes or some such left, haven't even looked but it sounds like an eternity because It think it is all going to be the hard parts.
 
GrandmaBear said:
OMG not sure I am ready for this but I am back to the second and then the final boy. This SD saw ALL of it. Saw her stepdad take aim and shoot and then go up and finish at point blank range with the second one. She then ran back in and got the youngest. I am going to pause right there before I listen further.

I did listen to some of this last night but had to back up to have it right. And had enough before I got back through it.

And need to pause now after just a minute maybe. A break. Coffee. Watch HIM during this.
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Kimster said:
I can’t even read all of this. It is too gut wrenching. I had no idea that he was stalking them like that. That’s even worse.
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I agree with both of you. It's just so horrible. :sigh:
 
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