Ellen Rae Greenberg. Was it suicide or homicide?

In this podcast I discuss the true crime story of Ellen Rae Greenberg mysterious death.

Let me know what you think of her crime.

The Mysterious Death of Ellen Rae Greenburg: Was It Suicide or Homicide?



MEDIA LINK: Ellen Rae Greenberg: Suicide or homicide? The 27-year-old teacher was found dead in her Philadelphia kitchen in 2011.

 

[Guess Who]

Her spinal cord wasn't severed. Where did you get that from?

"severed" might be the wrong term. Nearly every news article written after the case was reopened mentions her spinal cord was damaged and brain penetrated to the point of incapacitation to be able to even plunge the knife into her heart at the end. Let alone, get herself back into an upright position. Plus there's this little tidbit...

Emery was asked in 2019 by Chief Medical Examiner Sam Gulino to analyze a section of Greenberg's spinal column kept in storage.
She told the deposition that the wounds on the spinal column and the dura didn't have any hemorrhaging around them.
'Lack of hemorrhage means no pulse,' she said.

Bombshell update in Ellen Greenberg mysterious death

Ellen Greenberg, 27, was found dead on the kitchen floor of her apartment in Philadelphia in the middle of a blizzard on January 26, 2011, and her death was ruled a suicide despite 20 wounds.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Now explain how one can stab themselves multiple times after they have no pulse. The article you posted upthread even mentions the lack of hemorrhaging on multiple stab wounds.

 

[Tresir]

"severed" might be the wrong term. Nearly every news article written after the case was reopened mentions her spinal cord was damaged and brain penetrated to the point of incapacitation to be able to even plunge the knife into her heart at the end. Let alone, get herself back into an upright position. Plus there's this little tidbit...

Emery was asked in 2019 by Chief Medical Examiner Sam Gulino to analyze a section of Greenberg's spinal column kept in storage.
She told the deposition that the wounds on the spinal column and the dura didn't have any hemorrhaging around them.
'Lack of hemorrhage means no pulse,' she said.

Bombshell update in Ellen Greenberg mysterious death

Ellen Greenberg, 27, was found dead on the kitchen floor of her apartment in Philadelphia in the middle of a blizzard on January 26, 2011, and her death was ruled a suicide despite 20 wounds.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Now explain how one can stab themselves multiple times after they have no pulse. The article you posted upthread even mentions the lack of hemorrhaging on multiple stab wounds.

It was explained in the article IIRC. Do you want me to go look for you?

 

[Tresir]

It's a strange mixture of wounds - some are just a couple of millimetres deep, like self harming but others are deep and possibly fatal. Then there are two that are determined to be post mortem.

i think I read it here, from one of the reports upthread.

ETA link is in my post upthread #76.

Here's the extract.

However, there was something unusual Emery discovered during the course of her exam.
She observed three injuries of note to Ellen’s spinal column. One, to the spinal cord tissue
itself, was done during the course of Ellen’s autopsy, she said.
But there were two other cuts — one to the bone and ligaments in the back of Greenberg’s
spinal column and a corresponding cut to the dura — that were from a “bona fide sharp force
injury” and were not done at autopsy, she said.
What was notable about those injuries was there was no hemorrhaging around them, Emery
testified, saying, “Lack of hemorrhage means no pulse.”
She offered three possibilities for the lack of hemorrhaging: There wasn’t enough time
between when the wound was inflicted and when Ellen died for it to hemorrhage; the wound
didn’t disrupt the tissue enough to cause a response — or Ellen was already dead when the
wound was inflicted.
If the cut was administered while Ellen was still alive, Emery said she’d have expected to see
hemorrhaging.
“And by the fact that now the dura is not demonstrating hemorrhage, as you found also the
spinal column didn’t, would that weigh a little bit more in suggesting Ellen was dead at the
time this wound was administered?” Podraza asked.
“Yes,” Emery said.
Podraza called this “amazing new information.”
A month after her deposition, the city filed a written declaration by Emery, in which she said
she didn’t fully understand the scope of questions posed to her at deposition by the city’s
attorney, and presented several other possibilities for the lack of hemorrhaging including: that
nothing was injured along the wound path; that bleeding in other areas of the body prevented
bleeding in that area; or that the injury could have been done at the time of autopsy.
“I view the declaration as a deliberate submission to try and cloud her testimony, but it
doesn’t change what her testimony was,” Podraza said.

Here it is. From upthread. The cut to the spinal cord itself was a post mortem cut done at autopsy. The other two cuts near the spinal column did not haemorrage or cut the spinal cord. Bleeding in the many other areas could have prevented it in those spinal column wounds. Three possibilities.

Also below is a link that explains what the dura is.
(NB dura mater is the latin for "hard mother".)

Spinal dura mater: biophysical characteristics relevant to medical device development - PMC

Understanding the relevant biophysical properties of the spinal dura mater is essential to the design of medical devices that will directly interact with this membrane or influence the contents of the intradural space. We searched the literature and ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov