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Jeffrey Epstein Confidante Ghislaine Maxwell Arrested on Sex Abuse Charges

Ghislaine Maxwell, the British socialite and heiress who became a confidante of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein and was later implicated in his alleged sexual crimes, has been arrested by the FBI. She was arrested in Bradford, New Hampshire, around 8:30 a.m. Thursday on charges she conspired...

www.nbcnewyork.com

 

[Tresir]

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article256644737.html

Court opened Thursday with the judge weighing in on whether several defense witnesses could testify using pseudonyms — an unusual request given that they weren’t claiming to be victims or under any threat or danger. They were instead citing “unwanted attention.”



The judge disagreed with the premise, denying the request on Thursday. U.S. District Judge Alison Nathan wrote that the request was “unprecedented” and rejected several arguments Maxwell’s team had made to justify the anonymity.

“It is notable that the defense does not cite in support of its motion a single case in which a court granted the use of pseudonyms to defense witnesses,” Nathan wrote in denying the request.

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I guess this could end up a test case then if she is found guilty and it goes to appeal. Also, is attorney client privilege evidence in civil trials inadmissible in criminal trials such as this? I would not have thought so.

 

[kdg411]

I guess this could end up a test case then if she is found guilty and it goes to appeal. Also, is attorney client privilege evidence in civil trials inadmissible in criminal trials such as this? I would not have thought so.

Attorney client privelege is inadmissable in both civil & criminal cases in the US.

 

[Tresir]

So what was the relevance of the prosecution question to Espinosa asking if she had ever been to Palm Beach Residence? Did they also ask if she had been to Zorro NM or Little St James?

Also, why is this a NY case and not a federal case in Florida? Is NY where all federal cases are tried or is it because Maxwell resides in NY?

 

[kdg411]

 

[Tresir]

Attorney client privelege is inadmissable in both civil & criminal cases in the US.

So why can the judge override that to allow one question? I am not quite following this manipulation of the law regarding this questioning.

 

[Tresir]

Another general question I have. Some of the charges are conspiracy charges. Presumably she is alleged to have conspired with Epstein, who is now dead. So how can she be convicted if she has no co- conspirators also being tried with her? Has this ever happened before in any other cases where the main party has died?

 

[kdg411]

So what was the relevance of the prosecution question to Espinosa asking if she had ever been to Palm Beach Residence? Did they also ask if she had been to Zorro NM or Little St James?

Also, why is this a NY case and not a federal case in Florida? Is NY where all federal cases are tried or is it because Maxwell resides in NY?

Cimberly Espinosa's testimony was likely addressed by prosecutors as a witness with a very narrow view of her employer.

If I'm not mistaken the case is in New York because that is the location of the FBI who is pursuing the case again Epstein & any co conspirators. The depisition Maxwell took by the FBI is also the last two counts in the indictment.

 

[kdg411]

So why can the judge override that to allow one question? I am not quite following this manipulation of the law regarding this questioning.

The Judge has allowed one question which would have to exclude any client attorney conversations. The defense wants to show that this was about greed so they probably will ask how much they were compensated. It's not a manipulation of the law as long as the defense doesn't cross the constitionally protected clause of attorney-client privelege.

 

[kdg411]

Another general question I have. Some of the charges are conspiracy charges. Presumably she is alleged to have conspired with Epstein, who is now dead. So how can she be convicted if she has no co- conspirators also being tried with her? Has this ever happened before in any other cases where the main party has died?

She is being tried as Epstein's co-conspirator.

As for your second question, I'm not familiar with any other cases that the main conspirator committed suicide. However, I'm not a legal expert & welcome anyone who can assist with this particular question.

 

[Tresir]

The Judge has allowed one question which would have to exclude any client attorney conversations. The defense wants to show that this was about greed so they probably will ask how much they were compensated. It's not a manipulation of the law as long as the defense doesn't cross the constitionally protected clause of attorney-client privelege.

So will there be a cross with one question too?

I think the defence's question has been stated to be (paraphrased) "did you advise your client their chances of a settlement would be increased if they testified"

 

[kdg411]

So will there be a cross with one question too?

I think the defence's question has been stated to be (paraphrased) "did you advise your client their chances of a settlement would be increased if they testified"

I don't believe the government will pose any questions because they challenged the defense's request. I could be wrong though.

 

[GrandmaBear]

The Rolling Stone's and Lisa Bloom's take on the trial and prosecution I agree with at least with what I have followed and read. She said ending with Farmer was genius and I also think it has been apparent throughout the prosecution is steadily and methodically placing Maxwell there and as part of things and tying it all together as they need to do.

I imagine it is more clear cut in the courtroom without near the confusion of everything and anything and not too many victims but just a few picked as well.

 

[Tresir]

The Rolling Stone's and Lisa Bloom's take on the trial and prosecution I agree with at least with what I have followed and read. She said ending with Farmer was genius and I also think it has been apparent throughout the prosecution is steadily and methodically placing Maxwell there and as part of things and tying it all together as they need to do.

I imagine it is more clear cut in the courtroom without near the confusion of everything and anything and not too many victims but just a few picked as well.

I disagree that the NM incident with Annie Farmer will be relevant. The judge already made that clear to the jury that the age of consent was 16 in that jurisdiction. The present witness is providing border crossing evidence with dates of birth presumably to prove the victims' ages at times of border crossings. Also, wasn't both Farmers incidents reported to police and media (Vanity Fair) many years ago and it was not deemed to be a crime or even worthy of reporting. Whether mistakes were made about that all that time ago, I don't know.

 

[Guess Who]

I disagree that the NM incident with Annie Farmer will be relevant. The judge already made that clear to the jury that the age of consent was 16 in that jurisdiction. The present witness is providing border crossing evidence with dates of birth presumably to prove the victims' ages at times of border crossings. Also, wasn't both Farmers incidents reported to police and media (Vanity Fair) many years ago and it was not deemed to be a crime or even worthy of reporting. Whether mistakes were made about that all that time ago, I don't know.

Age of consent has nothing to do with trafficking though. IF they are just trying to establish a pattern of trafficking, then age makes no difference for that itself and it would be very relevant.

 

[Tresir]

Ok so nothing untoward with Maxwell in either NY (Espinosa witness) nor NM so far, which only leaves Palm Beach right? That would be "Jane" and Carolyn and neither of those crossed a border, I understand as they lived in Palm Beach. For these federal charges, isn't the border crossing important to prove?

 

[Tresir]

Age of consent has nothing to do with trafficking though. IF they are just trying to establish a pattern of trafficking, then age makes no difference for that itself and it would be very relevant.

If nothing illegal took place after the border crossing, is it even trafficking though? Also the charges specifically state transporting minor girls across borders.

 

[kdg411]

Ok so nothing untoward with Maxwell in either NY (Espinosa witness) nor NM so far, which only leaves Palm Beach right? That would be "Jane" and Carolyn and neither of those crossed a border, I understand as they lived in Palm Beach. For these federal charges, isn't the border crossing important to prove?

Epstein paid for Annie Farmer's travel to New Mexico so this part has been proven by the Government.

 

[Tresir]

Epstein paid for Annie Farmer's travel to New Mexico so this part has been proven by the Government.

Epstein not Maxwell paid for it, as you state so it is not proof against her therefore, as I see it.

This article explained the charges as below.

"Ms Maxwell is being tried on six counts, including conspiracy to transport underage girls to engage in illegal sexual activity and perjury.

She is accused of helping Epstein groom four underage girls between 1994 and 2004. She has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

The indictment alleges she sometimes joined in the abuse and claims she “assisted, facilitated, and contributed to Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse of minor girls by, among other things, helping Epstein to recruit, groom and ultimately abuse victims known to Maxwell and Epstein to be under the age of 18”. "

What the Ghislaine Maxwell trial will hear and her charges linked with Epstein sex abuse

The British socialite stands accused of recruiting teenage girls for the late financier Jeffrey Epstein to sexually abuse

inews.co.uk

 

[Tresir]

They are zooming thru witnesses.

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Maxwell's lawyer: May I approach the witness with a document? Judge Nathan: It's 5 pm. Let's end for the day. AUSA: We could just stipulate to this. Defense: remaining witnesses Eva, Michele & Kelly. Depending on your rulings.

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Judge Nathan: Letters due at 7:30 pm (Inner City Press will report - IF they get docketed) Defense: We might end tomorrow, or on Monday. Judge Nathan: Closings on Monday, then. Charge and to the jury. [So, before Christmas? Countdown.


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Judge Nathan: This is usually the point I allocute the defendant [that is, ask if they'll testify] Defense: Let's do that tomorrow. Judge Nathan: So we'll do the closings and charge on Monday [meaning, deliberation on Tuesday Dec 21 Xmas...

 

[kdg411]

Epstein not Maxwell paid for it, as you state so it is not proof against her therefore, as I see it.

This article explained the charges as below.

"Ms Maxwell is being tried on six counts, including conspiracy to transport underage girls to engage in illegal sexual activity and perjury.

She is accused of helping Epstein groom four underage girls between 1994 and 2004. She has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

The indictment alleges she sometimes joined in the abuse and claims she “assisted, facilitated, and contributed to Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse of minor girls by, among other things, helping Epstein to recruit, groom and ultimately abuse victims known to Maxwell and Epstein to be under the age of 18”. "

What the Ghislaine Maxwell trial will hear and her charges linked with Epstein sex abuse

The British socialite stands accused of recruiting teenage girls for the late financier Jeffrey Epstein to sexually abuse

inews.co.uk

Annie (and her Mom) were under the guise that Ghislaine would be there which is why she agreed to go. So, she played a big role is Annie accepting the invitation.