GEORGE FLOYD: Man killed, 4 Minneapolis Officers Fired - MN vs Derek Chauvin *GUILTY*

(CNN)Four Minneapolis police officers have been fired for their involvement in the death of a black man who was held down with a knee as he protested that he couldn't breathe, officials said Tuesday.

The FBI is investigating the incident, which drew widespread condemnation of the officers after a video showing part of the encounter circulated on social media.

4 Minneapolis cops fired after video shows one kneeling on neck of black man who later died | CNN

The FBI is investigating the incident, which drew widespread condemnation of the officers after a video showing part of the encounter circulated on social media.

www.cnn.com

 

[Guess Who]

I watched it here and there during jury selection and the first maybe two days to three of trial I saw most of the witnesses but did not stay glued to it or see all testimony. Over the past several days, I have watched none. I do know that watching it is an entirely different perspective imo because you see the actual testimony that MSM bits that are seeking I guess the more interesting headlines.

While I have shared some parts of jury selection and trial, I have not really given an opinion since it all started. I have my opinion, which depending on facts that come out and testimony, may change--but it basically falls where most I have discussed it with fall, Floyd was no saint, he did resist arrest and not just for a moment either, but Chauvin's hold, the length. of it and more were wrong as well. To me, he is guilty but I am undecided on what charge--it certainly does not fit imo first degree murder which is not on the table anyhow.

manslaughter. I think that fits.

 

[GrandmaBear]

manslaughter. I think that fits.

That one certainly fits. Not sure about the others. That's where I would need more info on the requirements to be met on the charges, more info, etc. which will come I feel during trial.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

manslaughter. I think that fits.

That one certainly fits. Not sure about the others. That's where I would need more info on the requirements to be met on the charges, more info, etc. which will come I feel during trial.

I'm not sure. Nine minutes is a hell of a long time.

 

[kdg411]

Chauvin is facing 3 charges;

second degree unintentional felony murder
(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

third degree “depraved mind” murder
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

second degree manslaughter
(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another

EXPLAINER: Why battle over a murder charge in Floyd's death

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Jury selection in the trial of a former Minneapolis officer accused in the death of George Floyd was put on hold Monday while an appeals court considers whether to reinstate a third-degree murder charge against him

apnews.com

 

[Guess Who]

I'm not sure. Nine minutes is a hell of a long time.

it is. I also do have to take account that possibly the drugs had a part in it, but yes, Chauvin had a LOT of time to know that what he was doing was wrong. He was told what he was doing was wrong and he smugly continued what he was doing. I don't think he thought he would actually kill him, but he had to know what he was doing was wrong and it definitely contributed to his death.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I'm not sure. Nine minutes is a hell of a long time.

It definitely is. I do think it may be more than manslaughter, but I can't quite see first degree. I guess that's where I am undecided somewhat thus far.

 

[RoundPeg]

I want to say I think manslaughter. I think it may more likely be 3rd degree, though.

 

[GarAndMo39]

These are the complaints the State wanted to use against Chauvin (I think they're only being allowed to use 2- not sure which ones they are):

https://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12646/27-CR-20-12646_States-Notice-of-Intent-to-Officer-Other-Evidence.pdf

 

[GarAndMo39]

Officer Who Pressed His Knee on George Floyd’s Neck Drew Scrutiny Long Before​

In more than 19 years on the Minneapolis police force, Mr. Chauvin had a reputation as a rigid workaholic with few friends. He sometimes made other officers uncomfortable. <snip>

Officer Who Pressed His Knee on George Floyd’s Neck Drew Scrutiny Long Before (Published 2020)

In more than 19 years on the Minneapolis police force, Mr. Chauvin had a reputation as a rigid workaholic with few friends. He sometimes made other officers uncomfortable.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Guess Who]

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[GrandmaBear]

The Chief of Police was on the stand most of the day. He held up great and did not let the defense put words in his mouth and was as professional and calm as such a witness is supposed to be.

The last one was a female colleague of Chauvin's with a very impressive lifetime resume and she was a very good witness. They had worked together in a similar position or two and had been on the force since knowing each other at least 20 years at the same time. She was quite familiar with training and involved in it. There were a few things but the most damning was that the hold Chauvin was using was one she had never seen, they were never taught and she said it was some kind of improvised hold or apparently something he himself decided to do or use. Prior to this they covered the holds that are used and when, which body parts, etc. and then this statement on looking at the picture of him with his knee on Floyd's neck, she said she had never seen anything used like that. The defense did NOT EVEN QUESTION her to speak of. She caused some damage imo.

 

[Guess Who]

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[GrandmaBear]

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He was pretty damning too. Of course the defense pointed out he himself had not been on the street in years. He made it very clear though for many reasons, Chauvin's choices were not fitting of the situation.

I only watched some today here and there but enough to catch most of the gist of it.

 

[kdg411]

Autopsy Report

*(opens as pdf; if this has been posted prior please disregard)

 

[Guess Who]

I am not saying he was not on drugs, but i just noticed this on the autopsy report. If the ones that are convinced that drugs are what caused his death and got that info from the autopsy report there is this clarification in the autopsy report. I had never saw this particular part before and thought it interesting, if nothing else.

This test is an unconfirmed screen. Confirmation by a more definitive technique such as GC/MS is recommended
.AmphetaminesPresump Pos500012 - UrineEIAng/mL
This test is an unconfirmed screen. Confirmation by a more definitive technique such as GC/MS is recommended.
Fentanyl / MetabolitePresump Pos2.0012 - UrineEIAng/mL
This test is an unconfirmed screen. Confirmation by a more definitive technique such as GC/MS is recommended.
Morphine - Free8625012 - UrineLC-MS/MS

 

[Guess Who]

If I am reading the tox levels correctly, it seems that we can conclude that he most likely did do most of those drugs, but they were not at levels that were quite a bit below harmful levels. To me it appears that he most likely went on a bender the prior evening/night (ish). I am sure those levels did not do him any favors at that time, but it seems that if anything, they were a contributing factor along with having your neck kneed upon for 9 minutes and that if he had not had a knee to his neck for 9 minutes, he would have not died at that time.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I am not saying he was not on drugs, but i just noticed this on the autopsy report. If the ones that are convinced that drugs are what caused his death and got that info from the autopsy report there is this clarification in the autopsy report. I had never saw this particular part before and thought it interesting, if nothing else.

This test is an unconfirmed screen. Confirmation by a more definitive technique such as GC/MS is recommended
.AmphetaminesPresump Pos500012 - UrineEIAng/mL
This test is an unconfirmed screen. Confirmation by a more definitive technique such as GC/MS is recommended.
Fentanyl / MetabolitePresump Pos2.0012 - UrineEIAng/mL
This test is an unconfirmed screen. Confirmation by a more definitive technique such as GC/MS is recommended.
Morphine - Free8625012 - UrineLC-MS/MS

There is so much arguing in the chats over what killed him, it is frustrating to watch in the sense of people say it as absolutes that either drugs killed him and others say Chauvin did. I myself am waiting to hear more and have not read the autopsy report, etc. yet.

To me, I guess cause of death matters perhaps in respect to some things, but Chauvin could not know what he was doing would not cause him to die, etc. nor did he know the tox results, etc., so it still does not excuse his action or the length of this hold.

 

[Guess Who]

There is so much arguing in the chats over what killed him, it is frustrating to watch in the sense of people say it as absolutes that either drugs killed him and others say Chauvin did. I myself am waiting to hear more and have not read the autopsy report, etc. yet.

To me, I guess cause of death matters perhaps in respect to some things, but Chauvin could not know what he was doing would not cause him to die, etc. nor did he know the tox results, etc., so it still does not excuse his action or the length of this hold.

exactly!

 

[Guess Who]

i guess my biggest question would be is how long did Chauvin plan on getting up?

 

[GrandmaBear]

i guess my biggest question would be is how long did Chauvin plan on getting up?

Do you mean that as in what was his intent and how long did he intend to continue to keep kneeling? Until something happened?

The defense today showed two side by side shots from different videos I guess you'd say taken at the same time. He was pointing out the difference in perspective. In one it looked clearly like Chauvin was kneeling on Floyd's neck and on the other it looked as if he was on his shoulder more so. Defense groupies got all excited when the Chief of Police had to admit it looked like the shoulder in the other video. The prosecution came back up to question again and clearly made the point Chauvin had to move his knee at that point for the paramedics to get to Floyd so he moved it to his shoulder. I don't think he would have moved otherwise quite honestly until forced to. Jmo of course.