JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee
www.eastidahonews.com

The latest timeline in the cases of Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.
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GrandmaBear said:
Well this was predicted some time back and I guess that prediction was right.

Boyce, imo, did mess this up.

Neither one is going to go to their wanted eternity with the rest of the world gone and they don't "die" anyhow...

Half sarcasm. Prior has been made fun of a lot but he is going to put on a case imo unlike Archibald. I dislike in general most defense attys a all know but all the jokes about this one have failed to pay attention to the fact he is not Mark Means, he knows his stuff, imo and has more than a passing knowledge of criminal court and trying cases. Lori's atty. put on NO case, from what we here due to her stopping him from doing so. It will be interesting to see if Chad lets his atty. throw Lori under the bus. I suspect he will and she will still stand by him (gag) and it won't phase her. He also has to to prove his lies to his own children IF indeed he even cares about that.

I think it is a good argument sadly and I put the blame squarely on the judge that neither of these two will face the death penalty, she didn't and he will likely not either because she didn't. I feel this was a strategy throughout and it worked for them, one wanting speedy, one not; one wanting cameras, one not.

The Judge was the biggest delay in Lori's case there was, more than either side. Imo.
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Well. They took the DP off for delays and I'm convinced her mental instability. Chad seems to think he's quite sane.
 
RoundPeg said:
Well. They took the DP off for delays and I'm convinced her mental instability. Chad seems to think he's quite sane.
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They took off time from speedy trial for her mental evals and stays that is true and so it shouldn't have hit missing or about to miss the speedy trial deadline. Some blame it on prosecution and discovery being given to defense but judge had a hearing to have a hearing to hear a hearing to schedule a hearing throughout Lori's case. It is on the judge imo.

But lol Chad does seem to think he is quite sane. We've basically never seen him say a single word in all this time, I did see him chuckle once and it was so odd with his buttoned up silent presence he maintains normally that even though it was a light court moment, it scared me him breaking his god like fixed static image. ::eek:

You may disagree and that's fine but imo if there were ever two that deserved the DP it is these two.

It can maybe be fought but I am going to guess they will win having he DP taken off the table. I\d hope not but if not it would probably be quite an appeal basis since his co-conspirator got such a break. Or maybe I should say his wife had it removed or should I say ONE of his many wives through his multiple lifetimes

Boyce handled her trial fairly well but there was no opposition from Lori or Archibald to speak of at all.

Chad's trial imo is going to be far different and it is still with Boyce.

And the DP is going to probably disappear for him too, despite all the time preparing for such and Prior asking for time and resources for such and more because it IS DP or has been throughout but probably will end up not being again due to, imo, the judge as much as anyone.

Do you find it interesting that Lori's counsel wanted no cameras, Lori who loves attention--and Chad's team and Chad want cameras on Mr. Buttoned Up not a camera type at all, Mr. Silent...?

Of course maybe this is his first star main attraction appearance in his lifetime where Lori was on Wheel of Fortune and in a Mrs. whatever pageant and Mrs. Bodybuilder... Chad didn't quite get there with his books, or his visions or his visits or portals... And he likely needs to prove himself special and show his kids and the world... But I don't think him being seen in trial on camera is going to do what he probablly wishes. It may make Prior's career if he is a bulldog and maybe that is the reasoning... And Chad will benefit from that and maybe a movie or book and have a reduced atty. bill.

I'm tired as I always say and wandering a bit but where I normally diss most defense attorneys, people out there love to make fun of Prior but he is no slouch. This is going to be a TRIAL. Imo. I don't think he will win but they aren't going to lay down. Again imo.
 
So this says she manipulated both Alex and Chad. They were her murdering gofers. And she stood faithful to Chad and her defense, because she could’ve tried to throw him under the bus.

I think this makes her look like she could be the only crazy one, and I’m hoping this doesn’t work, but it might.

I have to say, I saw this possible defense coming down the road when his kids were interviewed that one time. They mentioned this kind of a defense in the interview. The only thing is that I’ve never heard of anybody getting off on a murder charge because somebody else was the ringmaster. Even in the Manson case, everybody got the same sentence. And that might be what he’s talking about here, why should he get the death penalty when she didn’t have that on the table?

I’m interested in seeing what the judge decides.
 
Kimster said:
So this says she manipulated both Alex and Chad. They were her murdering gofers. And she stood faithful to Chad and her defense, because she could’ve tried to throw him under the bus.

I think this makes her look like she could be the only crazy one, and I’m hoping this doesn’t work, but it might.

I have to say, I saw this possible defense coming down the road when his kids were interviewed that one time. They mentioned this kind of a defense in the interview. The only thing is that I’ve never heard of anybody getting off on a murder charge because somebody else was the ringmaster. Even in the Manson case, everybody got the same sentence. And that might be what he’s talking about here, why should he get the death penalty when she didn’t have that on the table?

I’m interested in seeing what the judge decides.
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You know, she has an interesting past but it wasn't until she met Chad that the murders started.
 
RoundPeg said:
You know, she has an interesting past but it wasn't until she met Chad that the murders started.
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What about her sister and Charles? Also, Alex dying was pretty convenient too. Plus there was the attempt on BB. Chad seemed to be orchestrating that based on his phone activity. Did they find out whose idea the life insurance thing was? Didn't he get Tammy to increase hers.
 
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if he gets found guilty, it will be murder though, not conspiracy won't it?

I wonder if he will get charged with
conspiracy in Az?

I also wonder if his kids will testify?

Regarding looking crazy, they just needs to ask him if the sex portal works in jail?

Everyone close to Lori ends up dead so Chad needs to tread very carefully.
 
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Tresir said:
What about her sister and Charles? Also, Alex dying was pretty convenient too.
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She's waiting to be tried for Charles. I haven't seen anything to make me think her sister was murdered. I'm not sure about Alex. At worst, I could see him committing suicide. I think his brother mentioned some health issues run in their family.
 
As an example this is our conspiracy to murder sentencing laws in the UK.

www.abvsolicitors.co.uk

What is conspiracy to murder? Our criminal solicitor explains – ABV Solicitors

If you are a fan of watching TV soap operas, you will have at some time heard the phrase ‘conspiracy to murder’. And it seems to be pretty self-explanatory, doesn’t it? You have conspired to murder someone else and are, therefore, guilty. However, it isn’t exactly as straightforward as it seems...
www.abvsolicitors.co.uk www.abvsolicitors.co.uk


This link explains you can get convicted even if the conspiracy does not come about (eg. Like Brandon for example.)



 
Kimster said:
So this says she manipulated both Alex and Chad. They were her murdering gofers. And she stood faithful to Chad and her defense, because she could’ve tried to throw him under the bus.

I think this makes her look like she could be the only crazy one, and I’m hoping this doesn’t work, but it might.

I have to say, I saw this possible defense coming down the road when his kids were interviewed that one time. They mentioned this kind of a defense in the interview. The only thing is that I’ve never heard of anybody getting off on a murder charge because somebody else was the ringmaster. Even in the Manson case, everybody got the same sentence. And that might be what he’s talking about here, why should he get the death penalty when she didn’t have that on the table?

I’m interested in seeing what the judge decides.
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Throwing Lori under the bus is the best idea. She's already been convicted, so what difference does it make. I'm sure Lori would be all for that strategy. It won't work, but why not try.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
Throwing Lori under the bus is the best idea. She's already been convicted, so what difference does it make. I'm sure Lori would be all for that strategy. It won't work, but why not try.
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Question for all.

Since Chad is throwing her under the bus, what is the benefit to staying married? I honestly figured he would dump her as part of his "I'm horrified by her actions" defense.
 

I.R.E. 504. Husband-Wife Privilege. | Supreme Court

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Idaho Rules of Evidence Rule 504. Husband-Wife Privilege.

(a) Definition. A communication is "confidential" if it is made during marriage privately by any person to the person's spouse, and is not intended for disclosure to any other person.



(b) General rule of privilege. A person has a privilege to prevent testimony as to any confidential communication between the person and his or her spouse made during the marriage.



(c) Who may claim the privilege. The privilege may be claimed by the person or by the spouse on behalf of the person, or by the lawyer for the person on behalf of the person. The authority of the spouse or lawyer to do so is presumed in the absence of evidence to the contrary.



(d) Exceptions. There is no privilege under this rule:



(1) Child related communications. In a criminal or civil action or proceeding as to a communication relevant to an issue concerning the physical, mental or emotional condition of or injury to a child, or concerning the welfare of a child including, but not limited to the abuse, abandonment or neglect of a child.



(2) Criminal action. In a criminal action or proceeding in which one spouse is charged with a crime against the person or property of (A) the other spouse, (B) a person residing in the household of either spouse, or (C) a third person committed in the course of committing a crime against the other spouse or a person residing in the household of either spouse.



(3) Special proceeding. In proceedings (A) under the Reciprocal Enforcement of Support Act, or (B) concerning desertion or non-support of a spouse.



(4) Civil action. In a civil action or proceeding by one spouse against the other involving the person or property of the other.



(5) Proceedings for guardianship, conservatorship or hospitalization. There is no privilege under this rule for communications relevant to an issue in proceedings for the appointment of a guardian or conservator for a person for mental illness or to hospitalize the person for mental illness.



(Adopted March 26, 2018, effective July 1, 2018.)
 
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RoundPeg said:
There isn't much spousal privilege to claim. Everyone was dead by the time they got married. Even if they weren't, spousal privilege wouldn't apply to minors Tylee and JJ.

I don't see much in the way of optics for their marriage.
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When they were married is irrelevant as to what it protects DURING the marriage. If they are still married, they are still protected by it.
 
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