JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

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I'd like to know how a cold, stiff body falls out of the bed. Garth said he thought he heard a thump. Stiff corpses usually don't randomly roll around. JMO
This question was asked of one of the witnesses. It may have been the medical examiner. They said that dead bodies do not roll out of bed!

Did you see them questioning Garth about telling someone that he saw Tammy passed away on the couch?
 
Emma is white washing the truth in her testimony with Prior. That's my initial observation.


And, with the prosecution starting out this way, I can see I've probably hit the nail on the head:


I have no time and am running on empty. This may well be my hardest work week ever and today was hump day (mine) as weekends aren't my days off. I hate that I can't watch this and today was a day we could all discuss a ton of things for a YEAR. I did read a fair amount of the above tweets on a break and I have had not time tonight and lucky I got a shower in just now and should have been in bed by now for an early start tomorrow. It will be like a three hour sleep night probably and I'm already on empty, and that will be at most. Today was the LONGEST damned day. I normally work two ten pluses on weekends and for some reason I had a third this week, today was another. And then they kept ALL after, that is all, manager, employees, you name it to help face a deparment, neaten the shelves as we have been so busy and that department had three call in sick. My feet are done for but have to be ready to go in morning after working late.

The ONLY thing I have done since getting home as far as cases is watch Nate's for tonight.

And not sure I will get another post in this night or in morn but wanted to say WHAT little LIARS these kids are. There is sooooo much to tear apart here it is not even funny. Is this the end of it because I can only hope state's rebuttal at the end of defense's case would have them back on and tearing them apart. HOWEVER, I think plenty of points were made we can all see through and only hope the jury has learned enough of all the case and dynamics to do the same.

Man do I wish I had no work for THIS case and time to discuss this all AND watch this testimony.

Saw a fair bit on Nate's. These kids are weird I am sorry. Emma sounds like some monotone person reading a script and like an automaton/robot. I say this but the have to smile she says about people taking herbal remedies or whatever as they actually should be seeing a doctor with not a bit of humor in her voice as if she has a smile. Scripted as all HE77. WEIRD. And a TON of lies.

I've been done with the kids since before this but if I needed proof or icing on the cake well there is now plenty.

There's so much to unpack and I want to watch it all too and neither will likely happen for me anyhow as it will go on and no time. Haven't even caught up on ONE case today/tonight and won't tomorrow most likely either, at least not in morning and then life itself is behind with this schedule and I will likely be falling asleep on my feet after getting home tomorrow. AT least the Twetets I did get read (not all I don't think as mostly Emma's and the ones above) and Nate's nightly video thank God for as I did get that in while doing other things.

Emma turned on Tammy in my opinion and lied big time. All for the sake of her evil daddy. Tammy was rating people with death percentages and light and dark? GIVE ME A BREAK. Yes she was asked what and yes she said it.
 
I haven't read past first part of day's tweets but have to comb out my tangled hair and eat something and will likely be down to two hours or so of sleep at this rate but listening to Garth's testimony, ran into it on a YT refresh and man he screwed up right out of the gate with who drove the truck.... And into it more Prior is basically leading...

GARTH is the oldest and was living at home?? Why did I think it was the last minor still at home? I mix up the boys I guess.
 
Only just into minutes of it. Just curious did anyone actually watch the kids' testimonies today?

How did Garth see a coon at 10 at night. Lights in the trees out there? And how'd Chad shoot it at 10 and see it?

Prior is stressed and trying to hide imo that Garth isn't doing so well, and tempering anger imo. He is LEADING HIM clearly and it isn't totally working. No objections though which I don't disagree with, let this go on if I were the P....
 
And testing a tent, sounds like the same kind of excuses and stories Emma came up with to know things she would never "know' which were lies... You'd think Emma ilived in their home at that point was not a married person and dwelled in her parents' bedroom as well.

I was raised rural and I own a rural property and] only once in my entire 60+ years have I seen a raccoon during the day although I've seen a TON of every other type of an rmy lifetime during the day, some by surprise of course but never a raccoon. I saw ONE ever in my life in broad daylight and it was a BABY/a toddler having a fit from a hole near the top of a tree and can only guess the parents never came home the night before or left town and abandoned him...

There is so much here to pick apart of the testimony of both. Never will get the time.

I started to write this last night and never posted and am on almost no sleep, so just clearing sthe post box this morn. I have almost no time today at all nor did I last night. I have played though all of Garth's testimon and now have Emma's on.

So Tammy wasn't carrying books for the book fair, she was clearing all her personal stuff out for the fair and it was really really heavy. I mean what kind of personal shi*t did she have that there she had to clear out and why did she have to clear it out? All Chad's books and tomes of things not fit for children? Did they never have a book fair before and she had to clear out all her own stuff for this first one because it took over the library or what? I find this ODD. Maybe it's nothing but makes no sense to me and tons of what was said makes no sense or seems like lies. IF you have to clean up say your desk like if you quit, how MUCH and how heavy would it all be? I worked at my longest office job for 20 years and I woudln't have had a huge overly heavy box to carry out. Excuses imo for bruises just one of many things. No chance at all to read.
 
And testing a tent, sounds like the same kind of excuses and stories Emma came up with to know things she would never "know' which were lies... You'd think Emma ilived in their home at that point was not a married person and dwelled in her parents' bedroom as well.

I was raised rural and I own a rural property and] only once in my entire 60+ years have I seen a raccoon during the day although I've seen a TON of every other type of an rmy lifetime during the day, some by surprise of course but never a raccoon. I saw ONE ever in my life in broad daylight and it was a BABY/a toddler having a fit from a hole near the top of a tree and can only guess the parents never came home the night before or left town and abandoned him...

There is so much here to pick apart of the testimony of both. Never will get the time.

I started to write this last night and never posted and am on almost no sleep, so just clearing sthe post box this morn. I have almost no time today at all nor did I last night. I have played though all of Garth's testimon and now have Emma's on.

So Tammy wasn't carrying books for the book fair, she was clearing all her personal stuff out for the fair and it was really really heavy. I mean what kind of personal shi*t did she have that there she had to clear out and why did she have to clear it out? All Chad's books and tomes of things not fit for children? Did they never have a book fair before and she had to clear out all her own stuff for this first one because it took over the library or what? I find this ODD. Maybe it's nothing but makes no sense to me and tons of what was said makes no sense or seems like lies. IF you have to clean up say your desk like if you quit, how MUCH and how heavy would it all be? I worked at my longest office job for 20 years and I woudln't have had a huge overly heavy box to carry out. Excuses imo for bruises just one of many things. No chance at all to read.
If you see a raccoon in the day, it's generally not good. They are typically either sick, have been uprooted from their dwelling and having to find a new home or can't find enough food during the nighttime.
 
I haven't read past first part of day's tweets but have to comb out my tangled hair and eat something and will likely be down to two hours or so of sleep at this rate but listening to Garth's testimony, ran into it on a YT refresh and man he screwed up right out of the gate with who drove the truck.... And into it more Prior is basically leading...

GARTH is the oldest and was living at home?? Why did I think it was the last minor still at home? I mix up the boys I guess.
I thought Garth was the youngest, too! Emma and Garth are proof that fathers can really influence their kids. I don’t know if they’ll wake up and smell the coffee someday, but they sure haven’t so far. I feel so bad for Tammy! I wonder if she had any idea what was happening or just going along with flow?
 
Only just into minutes of it. Just curious did anyone actually watch the kids' testimonies today?

How did Garth see a coon at 10 at night. Lights in the trees out there? And how'd Chad shoot it at 10 and see it?

Prior is stressed and trying to hide imo that Garth isn't doing so well, and tempering anger imo. He is LEADING HIM clearly and it isn't totally working. No objections though which I don't disagree with, let this go on if I were the P....
I was following the live tweets because I was doing a task at work. Then I heard the testimonies on Nate’s insider last night.

When he said that they were shooting raccoons in the middle of the night, I immediately thought about how that is so illegal here. It’s very dangerous to go shooting at night! You could kill someone walking around with a paintball or something.
 
I've wondered for months what Prior would be able to present to a jury that would create doubt in their minds. So far, he hasn't delivered. I don't even know why he's wasting the time, other than proving he presented a defense so Chad was represented.
 
Tuesday 21st May - Morning update.

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1:04 p.m. Prior says because of travel, some of his expert witnesses will not be available until tomorrow morning. Court is in recess until 8:30 a.m. tomorrow. Please join me tonight on ‘Courtroom Insider’ at 6:30 p.m. MDT.
1:03 p.m. Schmitt was told to walk around the property and look for soft spots or areas that looked different, he says. Wood has nothing further and neither does Prior.
1:01 p.m. Schmitt is shown the transcript. Wood asks what he was asked about in relation to boundaries. Schmitt says that was in relation to the grid search. Schmitt was assigned to search the fire pit and pet cemetery. Wood asks if there were any boundaries in the area – Schmitt says there were no specific boundaries. Wood asks Schmitt to clarify about being handed a shovel and walking around. Wood asks Schmitt the first thing he did when he arrived at Daybell’s. He doesn’t remember the first thing. He was instructed to carry a shovel and walk around.
12:59 p.m. Boyce says the term “evidentiary hearing” was used in a question by Wood. Boyce tells the jurors to dismiss that and simply go with “hearing.” Wood begins questioning. He asks Schmitt about the “boundary” question he received and if he recalls what that was about. Schmitt doesn’t remember. Wood provides a transcript to refresh his memory.
12:56 p.m. Prior says when he was given a shovel to go out and look, he responded, “Yes, pretty much.” Prior has nothing further. Rob Wood will now cross-examine. Prior asks for a sidebar.
12:54 p.m. Prior asks about Schmitt participating in shovel work at the Daybell property on June 9, 2020. Prior asks about Schmitt’s testimony from Vallow’s trial and he said there weren’t any boundaries. Prior wants to help refresh Schmitt’s memory by showing him a transcript of his testimony from Vallow’s trial.
12:50 p.m. Boyce says the jurors need to leave briefly while an issue is discussed. The jurors have left the room. Boyce says Schmitt may have inadvertently some trial testimony of a previous witness. Schmitt returned home from work and his wife was listening to a device. The clip was when Ron Arnold responded to John Prior – “I don’t know, you own the property.” All parties agree that this doesn’t create a major issue and Schmitt can testify.
12:48 p.m. Next witness is retired Rexburg Police Detective Rick Schmitt. He takes the stand and Boyce asks for a brief sidebar.
12:46 p.m. Prior has nothing further. Batey will now cross-examine Kararic. Batey asks if Gibb told him that she created the light/dark scale. Kararic says Gibb did not. Gibb told Kararic that Chad would tell Lori about the ideas and Lori would convey them to Gibb. There are no further questions from either side.
12:44 p.m. Kararic didn’t really understand Gibb’s beliefs so he was learning a lot. Kararic said Gibb told him she heard from Chad and Lori some of the things she was mentioning. After the interview, Gibb continued to talk without the tape recording. “After the interview was done, I believe she mentioned that I was nice and a good person. I asked a question of where she believes on the scale where she would rate me. She said I was on the light side – I was so light that I was given a light aura.”
12:42 p.m. Prior asks Kararic to share some of what Melanie Gibb told him. Kararic says Gibb spoke about a light and dark scale and she was able to determine whether a person was light or dark. Gibb spoke about castings and vibrations. This interview took place on Aug. 5, 2020.
12:41 p.m. Kararic spent around 3 hours 38 minutes talking with Melanie Gibb. Prior asks why the interview took so long. Kararic says he had a lot to discuss and had a lot of questions for Gibb. Prior asks Kararic if he asked anything about Gibb’s personal beliefs. Kararic says he didn’t understand a lot of what Gibb was talking about so he asked a lot of questions.
12:40 p.m. Kararic originally worked on the case after former Fremont County Prosecutor Marcia Murdoch asked the AG to take over. When Lindsey Blake was elected, she asked for the case back and the AG was no longer involved.
12:35 p.m. We’re back in the courtroom. Prosecutors and defense are at their tables and Boyce is on the bench. Jurors are in their seats. Next witness is Asmir Kararic – at investigator with the Idaho Attorney General’s Office.
11:06 a.m. In the hallway of the courthouse. Boyce says defense has two more witnesses today. If you recall, Prior said during opening statements that he planned to call the following: Chad’s children (done), Dr. Kathy Raven (done), Greg Hampikian and Patrick Eller. Hampikian is a DNA expert, Eller is a data forensics expert. Those two could be the witnesses this afternoon. Does Prior then call anyone else?
10:58 a.m. We are headed out of the courtroom until the next witness arrives. Time: TBD.
10:52 a.m. Wixom has another issue. He wants to let the court know that after Heather Daybell testified, he found a slight inaccuracy in her testimony. She was asked on the stand if she had provided information to Det. Hope and she said no. Wixom found her name in a police report later. Wixom believes this is fairly inconsequential and informed the defense. Prior agrees this is a non-issue. Boyce says he could bring Heather back to testify but Prior says this is a non-issue and appreciates Wixom’s candor – “even if it was in the middle of the night when he let me know.” Boyce is not concerned about the issue.
10:51 a.m. Jurors have left the room. He says the exhibits need to be properly identified and marked before being submitted to the jurors. He says that will take some time with the clerks and court to work through the list.
10:49 a.m. Boyce says the defense has two more witnesses scheduled to appear today but they are not here. Boyce says there are some matters that can be taken up outside the presence of the jury. Once the witness shows up, the jury will be back.
10:47 a.m. Prior asks for quick sidebar.
10:46 a.m. Prior asks a question, Batey objects, judge sustains and Prior has nothing further.
10:45 a.m. Batey asks Reegan if she ever accepted payment from law enforcement. “Never,” she replies. Batey has nothing further. Prior has re-direct.
10:44 a.m. Special Prosecutor Ingrid Batey is cross-examining Reegen. She asks about Reegen hearing a gunshot. Reegen doesn’t remember the date or timeframe of when she heard the shot – just that it was before Sept. 9. Reegen says it’s common for people to have guns out in the country.
10:42 a.m. Prior asks Reegen about her willingness to wear a wire or work through Joseph Murray to try and find the kids. Prior asks Reegan if she engaged in any discussion with police for payment in regarding the Daybell case. Reegan says Officer K comically said that – not as in taking government funds. Prior has nothing further.
10:39 a.m. Prior plays a recording of Reegen talking to law enforcement on June 9, 2020. You hear her saying she heard a gunshot and there was discussion about raccoons. Reegen says she and her husband discussed strange events that happened with the Daybells over the past year. She said they created a timeline to figure things out.
10:33 a.m. Prior goes to play his exhibit but there appears to be technical difficulties.
10:32 a.m. Prior asks about Reegen reportedly hearing gunshots on Sept. 9. She says she isn’t sure of the date. She contacted law enforcement about a few things that were unusual. She has talked to law enforcement a few times.
10:28 a.m. Prior calls the next witness: Reegen Price. She takes the stand and Prior says he plans to admit an exhibit. Reegan was a neighbor of Chad Daybell’s.
10:22 a.m. We are back in court. One thing I wanted to point out (that many of you caught). Prior asked Raven this question – notice he used the word “murder” : Is that an example of confirmation bias when you take into account all of these other reports documents statements of people who are not present at the murder?
9:59 a.m. Prior asks if ruling that a plastic bag over a head or pillow on face without any evidence would just be a hunch. Raven says yes. Prior has nothing further. Morning break. Back in 20-30 minutes.
9:57 a.m. Prior takes the podium and asks about the witnesses, documents, etc. that Blake referenced. He asks if taking into account all the other documents is an example of confirmation bias. Raven says she has never looked at such an exhaustive list when determining cause of death – she bases her findings off of scientific evidence.
9:55 a.m. Raven says you could suffocate someone by putting an object over their mouth. You could also put a plastic bag over their head. Blake has no further questions.
9:53 a.m. Raven says there was no structural damage to Tammy’s health. Blake asks about the bruises and putting pressure on someone’s chest. Raven says to die from someone sitting on the chest, you would likely need at least 450 lbs. of pressure. Blake asks about other ways someone could die from asphyxia. She lists drowning, suffocation, pressure on chest, chemicals, etc.
9:51 a.m. Blake finishes the list. She asks if all of those documents were provided to Raven. Raven says no. Blake asks about Tammy’s medical records. Raven says she did not review them. Blake asks if Raven reviewed medical records referencing shaking fits or seizure activities. Raven did not. Blake asked where that information came from. Raven says that came from the coroner’s report. Blake says that information came from Chad Daybell, correct? Raven says you would have to ask her.
9:50 a.m. Blake continues to list reports that Raven did not review. Again – all of these reports were reviewed by the Medical Examiner in Utah who determined Tammy Daybell’s cause of death.
9:48 a.m. Raven did not review the lollycloud account, the FBI analyst report, the Seasons medical records or Teton medical records. Blake continues to list other reports that Raven did not review. Prior objects. Blake responds and says she is reading a list of everything reviewed by the Utah Medical Examiners. Judge allows Blake to continue. She continues to list all the reports to Medical Examiner reviewed.
9:46 a.m. Raven has reviewed a few over things over the years. Defense provided her with everything. Blake asks if Raven reviewed a report from Lt. Powell requesting Walmart records. Raven says that does not sound familiar. Blake asks if she reviewed an interview with Paul or Emily Daybell. Raven doesn’t recall. Blake asks Raven if she reviewed more reports from others and Raven does not recall.
9:43 a.m. Blake asks about Raven reviewing Tammy’s autopsy report and other pertinent information. She asks Raven to list what she has reviewed: autopsy report by Dr. Lily Marsdsen, autopsy photos, toxicology reports, brief investigative report from medical examiner, typed coroner report, Fremont County Coroner informal record of death, report from Det. Greenhalgh, scene photos, report from Det. Mattingly, Fremont County incident report, Tammy’s death certificate and transcript of Dr. Christensen’s testimony.
9:41 a.m. Blake asks Raven if she is a medical examiner. She says she has in the past but is currently an independent contractor. Blake asks Raven if she has investigators who work with her. She is in a coroner office system. Blake asks who determines whether an autopsy should be conducted. Raven says it depends – could be a coroner or a pathologist.
9:40 a.m. Prior has nothing further. Lindsey Blake will conduct cross examination.
9:37 a.m. Prior asks about what could have led to Tammy’s death. Raven says seizure, arrhythmia, other things could have contributed. She says no conclusive or scientific evidence shows how Tammy died.
9:35 a.m. Prior asks about seizures. Raven says there are different types of seizures – large, shaking and convulsive. With smaller seizures, people might stare into space, make repetitive motions, etc. Prior asks about arrhythmia – an electrical disturbance in the heart. Raven says you may not see anything at time of autopsy if someone dies from arrhythmia.
9:32 a.m. Prior asks if there was damage to the neck or throat. Raven says no. Prior asks about the difference between her report and Christensen’s report where he said asphyxia was manner of death. She says there is nothing that points to asphyxia and she believes the cause of death is undetermined.
9:31 a.m. Prior asks about someone dying from asphyxia from having someone else sit on their chest. Raven says it would be extraordinary difficult for a healthy person to die from having someone sit on their chest.
9:29 a.m. Raven determined that the cause of death should have been undetermined because there was nothing anatomically wrong. Prior asks about the bruises on Tammy’s arm possibly contributing to asphyxia. She says the bruises were nonspecific.
9:27 a.m. Prior asks about the autopsy being done in December 2019. The signing of the report was two years later. Prior asks why there was such a gap between when the autopsy was done and when the findings were signed. Raven says sometimes the toxicology testing can take a few months. That’s the only thing she can think of that could have caused the delay.
9:24 a.m. Raven says there was no anatomical cause of the death for Tammy – meaning all her organs appeared fine. The toxicology report was extensive and nothing they tested for was positive, so it’s unlikely Tammy was poisoned.
9:23 a.m. Christensen says she paid close attention to Tammy’s autopsy report. She says it was a thorough autopsy and there was nonspecific bruising on Tammy’s body. Prior asks what could have caused the bruises in the arms. Raven says it’s unknown.
9:21 a.m. Prior asks Christensen about her conclusion in this case regarding the autopsy. She explains there are usually five manners of death: homicide, accident, suicide, undetermined or natural.
9:20 a.m. Raven reviewed Dr. Christensen’s autopsy report from Utah, photos, law enforcement investigation reports and more. She also reviewed Christensen’s testimony.
9:19 a.m. Prior retained Raven to review the autopsy report and other materials in the Daybell case. Prior has her report and asks her to review it.
9:16 a.m. Prior asks Raven about her background. She explains her education and training. She has testified in over 300 cases.
9:14 a.m. Raven is a medical doctor. She went to medical school and then became a forensic pathologist. She practices primarily in California.
9:13 a.m. Next witness is Dr. Kathy Raven. She is board certified in anatomic, clinical, and forensic pathology and has worked in the area of forensic pathology for over 25 years.
9:09 a.m. Blake asks for a sidebar before the next witness is brought in.
9:08 a.m. Prior back up at the podium and shows the bank record. The fourth entry shows $8,000 also went to Seth Daybell. Prior asks if any other of Chad’s kids got money. Joseph says he believes they all got $8,000. Prior has nothing further.
9:06 a.m. Wixom says wouldn’t it be possible that a detective might continue to drive by after two bodies were found buried on a property. Joseph says he didn’t think it was necessary. Joseph says he would rather be anything other than in law enforcement. Wixom has nothing further.
9:03 a.m. Wixom asks about the long driveway Joseph was questioned on yesterday. Wixom follows up about Joseph testifying that Det. Hermosillo often drove by the property. Wixom asks if it would be unusual that detectives would drive by the property if they assumed bodies were buried there. Joseph says that would not be unusual but Hermosillo continued to drive by after the bodies were found.
9:01 a.m. Wixom asks Joseph if he has ever met Lori Vallow. He says yes. They met the day after Tammy’s funeral at Chad’s house. Jospeh has never met Alex Cox and never saw Alex on Chad’s property.
8:58 a.m. Wixom shows an exhibit on the screen. It’s a bank account record. It shows that on June 9, 2020, there was an $8,000 deposit into Joseph’s checking account. Wixom asks who made the deposit. Joseph says he isn’t sure. Wixom asks if it came from Chad. Joseph says yes – it was from Chad. Wixom emphasizes that in Dec. 2019, Chad gave Joseph his truck and then on June 9, transferred $8,000 into his account and then he had them move into his house. Chad also gave Emma $9,000 in cash that same day.
8:55 a.m. Joseph says after he gave his information to Cannon, he had no further conversations with Cannon. Wixom asks Joseph about him needing to borrow Tammy’s truck to help a friend on Oct. 18. Joseph says it was his in-laws truck. Joseph went to Tammy to get the keys – Tammy had the truck at the school where she was working. Joseph got the keys and when he was done with the truck, he returned them. Chad Daybell gave Joseph the truck in Dec. 2019.
8:54 a.m. Joseph says he believes Det. Cannon was intentionally inaccurate in his report when Cannon wrote that Joseph heard Tammy scream. Joseph says he was very clear in what he explained to him.
8:51 a.m. Wixom asks about Joseph testifying during the grand jury and yesterday that he has no personal knowledge about the shooting and how it went down. Joseph says that’s correct. Wixom asks about Joseph calling 911. Wixom asks about meeting with Dep. Cannon and the fact Jospeh denied he ever heard Tammy scream. Joseph says that is correct.
8:49 a.m. Wixom asks if Joseph has had many conversations with his siblings about the case. Joseph says they have talked but not “many” conversations. Wixom asks about the attempted shooting of Tammy and Joseph confirms he did not see the shooting. Joseph learned about it from a Facebook post that Tammy put up.
8:48 a.m. Wixom begins by asking about the loss of Tammy being a traumatic experience for Joseph’s wife and siblings. Joseph agrees that finding the bodies of JJ and Tylee have been traumatic. Joseph says he and his wife have had many conversations over the past few years about the case.
8:46 a.m. Rocky Wixom, Fremont County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney, will conduct cross examination on Joseph. Wixom begins by asking for an exhibit.
8:43 a.m. Boyce is on the bench. Joseph Murray walks in and takes the stand. The jurors were just escorted in and are seated.
8:41 a.m. As we wait, someone’s watch made a alert noise. The bailiff reminds everyone that this is a good reminder to silence all devices. The guy admits it was him rather than trying to hide it.
8:36 a.m. The attorneys are headed back into Boyce’s chambers. Chad is wearing a tan plaid dress shirt with a red tie.
8:30 a.m. Rocky Wixom and Lindsey Blake are at the prosecutor table. Looks like Blake got a haircut after court yesterday.
8:27 a.m. Larry Woodcock and Vicki Hoban, Tammy Daybell’s aunt, are in the courtroom today. John Prior is chatting with Rob Wood and Ingrid Batey. Chad is sitting at the defense table alone.
8:21 a.m. Joseph Murray, Chad’s son-in-law, will be back on the stand first thing this morning. You can read about his testimony from yesterday here.
8:20 a.m. It’s day 27 of Chad Daybell’s murder trial. The first person in line this morning, a man from Provo, Utah, got here at 4:05 a.m. I arrived at the courthouse around 5:30 a.m. Far less people here today compared to yesterday but most of the benches will still be full.
 
I thought Garth was the youngest, too! Emma and Garth are proof that fathers can really influence their kids. I don’t know if they’ll wake up and smell the coffee someday, but they sure haven’t so far. I feel so bad for Tammy! I wonder if she had any idea what was happening or just going along with flow?
It's funny but I did too. I guess because he was still at home I assumed he was the youngest. Yet he was married, so where did his wife live? At Chad and Tammy's too? Where was she that night?
 
It's funny but I did too. I guess because he was still at home I assumed he was the youngest. Yet he was married, so where did his wife live? At Chad and Tammy's too? Where was she that night?
First, I wanna know when they got married. Was he staying there until the wedding?
 
Man, this testimony is spell binding and I'm not even able to watch it live! I will definitely watch it on YouTube as soon as I can. WOWZA. The prosecution was ready for Emma today!
I have now watched all of Emma's and all of Garth's. I rewatched parts even more than once. I WISH to heck I had time to take it ALL apart as there is so much. And the contradictions and the questions some things bring that wouldn't necessarily occur to everyone or every juror or watcher but may to one of us or another and so on.

I'll likely never get that time but basically Emma is trying to cover EVERYTHING that CHad could get on the stand and say HIMSELF but he won't. But she is NOT anything but a relative who is biased, a liar, trying to help her dad, and a HEARSAY witness to most things which is NOT allowed. There's so much to discuss and of interest but I'm doing a summary in a nutshell (rare right?).

NONE of it is anything imo and family members are the least valued witnesses generally by jury or anyone for obvious reasons. It is CLEAR what they are doing and why.

Even so, there's so much to unpack here. Don't think I I'll ever get the time and would make for great discussion with us all but just trying to catch up with the rest of you right now in posts ND discussion. And by then the trial will be at another point. Nate's last night was something else but it sure did not have of course all testimony.

It isn't like there were fireworks but there was plenty to think on and talk of. She's a liar. Garth's was interesting as well and I almost have to wonder about his mess ups and whether wasn't coached well enough or maybe he's not so on board.

NOt for ONE MINUTE do I believe at least Emma has not watched all the testimony, etc. They were allowed to if wanted. HEY she only found out (dummy) dad was having a physical affiar from the "news" THAT is interesting because when did news say THAT exactly....? IT SHOWS THOUGH SHE WAS LOOKING and watching sh*t and she said after Lori was arrested she started hearing some and after Chad was even more. DUH Emma.

But these kids are liars or dumb and in denial. Emma would stay in denial if that was the case and no one can actually show evidence of Chad and Lori doing it so WHAT convinced her. She dind't believe it when at Knotts Berry Farm....

There is a lot in her time on the stand Nate couldn't cover. Man I WISH he would give his opinions lol as you know he has them, he wanted to a million times last night in his show. He pointed out and hinted at some things for us...

WHAT is it about that mattress.....????? There's a lot of stuff talked of or come close to but then they don't finish going there...

No one ever lost it with the other or anything like that but boy when ya know what we all do it was interesting as all heck...

I can think of things P could have brought up or went a lot harder at and I wonder on that... Maybe on one hand they don't want to make her kids too important as they're not. They are simply LYING for dad... Or maybe it is to do with scope.

P never called them on the suppoenaes in their case in chief... Where THEY could set the topics... But then again would that make them too important seeming where they ARE NOT imo...

Strategy... Both sides have to assess risk and possible damage of any and all witnesses right...

So will they be limited in rebuttal? Of course they have to I think rebut things said and addressed or brought out by defense as us THIS when we will hear Emma's conversations with Chad, and denying he said things flat out or claiming to not recall. On some she said NEVER... I think there may be well the fiery impactful rebuttal stage.

What trial was it recently that did not have the second time and last time up for prosecution?? I never knew any state did not allow such, it is the way it is mean to be imo. and the way I've always known it to be done. Was It Harmony's? I haven't followed or had time to many in recent times... It DOES happnen here though. Defense resting is not the end. Prosecution gets one more time up and calling witnesses etc.

God I could go on about many things in these testimonies but no time and will never catch-up and behind on this case and others this week.

So I guess when Lori met them all in Cali for their little family trip she and Chad did not share a room as at that point none of their kids thought it was a PHYSICAL affair... And weren't all sexty touch feely. There were a TON of objections by Blake and in chambers law on hearsay over this trip and what Lori shared with Emma. Nate could only cover so much, he didn't cover this much last night as I recall. He did say to GO watch both Emma's and Garth's and he could not cover it all. I have now.

Emma is trying to testify for Chad where he can't or won't and they are trying to get in what he would LIE about, say and claim and point out by her. Didn't work perfectly and ya know what Prior and Chad if you want it all heard where it isnt' hearsay by Emma, have Chad take the stand...

There's also a hinttt of throwing Tammy out there Subtle but if you watch all I'd be interesting to see if anyone picks up on the same thing. SHE was the one who did the pet cemetery , she PER Emma rated people and rated death percentages Yes there was one question like that she answered yes to. And in much of her questioning by Blake who I think tries to catch her she is instant with her answers, yes, yes, yes, no and hardly misses a wrong one without even time to take in the question and it's ODD. But there are a couple of shortt pause comes in which is striking even though short because she is rat a tat immediate otherwise...

I was done with these kids before seeing any of this trial. And only overdone now. However, GARTH is interesting. Out of the gate he screwed up royally and got what vehicle each parent drove normally wrong and it went on while Prior tried to fix it. RIGHT from the start! And MORE like that. I don't know if it goes to lack of prep, intelligence OR he is conflicted and told the truth and slipped right off the bat...

Blake said on an occasion or two something to Emma about would it surprise you if your brother said this or that? And one she was that she didn't believe he did that for a second and to me that showed she watched testimony and they talked, etc. But he was different than her on the stand...

I am far from reading all posts in the last two days here, way behind BUT at break have seen a few out of order way ahead, havent' seen the before, etc. and dd even though I am nowhere near it yet see the ones about GArth and being married and so forth. YES. He was NOT though when Tammy died. AND his future wife was one who told LE that he told her Tammy was on the couch. He told TWO people this or so Blake claimed. Now don't get me wrong, I think P and D can lie in their questions to witnesses even at trial. There was also another person I am unclear of who it is that I see you all saw that allegedly he told he found his mom dead and Chad was NOT at home. There's a LOT and Nate covered a lot in his Tweets yesterday and in his video last night but he even said go watch, there's more, no time to cover it all. I recommend doing so to anyone here of those of us all chatting or have followed regularly because you will pick up on a LOT of things.
now that Emma denied some things as did Garth, I think rebuttal could be this person and all the conversations of Emma with Chad and what he said to her and more as the splash at the end of this trial.

It WOULD be rebuttal because they answered in the negative. Garth really got hung up on what the rules were and didn't know what to do on the stand and no one could advise him.

Emma is smoother and while she dind't smart arse anything really she was fast and snappy with her answers however like Garth didn't totally always get it but was way more prepared but tripped a time or two. She contradicts self, it hasn't been pulled together and shown yet but you all will pick up on it and when the objections kept coming from Blake about what Lori said or talked about with her as the kids on the fun trip they took to the berry farm, Emma could not repeatedly understand she could answer it yes or no but NOT put in what Lori said to her. I think she was SO rehearsed as to what was NECESSARY to get in she did not even get it when Prior tried to to tell her or they were trying an end run.

SHE is like some zombie if you want my opinion. Like her dad. Flat, no emotion and when she tries to make a joke or every bit is rehearsed and barely goes off her monotone. She will be known for her I hae to smile at that (paraphrasing) like she made a funny about her mom taking herbal medicines rather than going to a doctor. I love Nate and have lived by Tweets like all but some of this if you get to needs to be HEARD, the tones, all of it. I am on no hours of sleep basically last night to today and I know it gets old so I won't go on about today at work and about life but MY GOD I have one more day and then the two off are never anything as it is all recovery. My feet are on strike! But I did watch both "kids" testimony and just highly recommending all fo us that have watched this case for years and said things or given the Benny of the doubt for them etc. do so.

I don't have any sympathy, particularly for Emma. And the entire Garth and perjury thing, HIM EITHER. And he's the oldest we find out. I don't think it was Seth so was it Mark that was the youngest? WAs he the one on the mission they all do in whatever or teen years so he was not living there when Tammy died but the oldest Garth was and then when he came home he was the minor still at home? I'm guessing.

I watched such long testimony (not that long for any who want to do it in pieces, I managed) that by the end I should she have had a notepad because all these huge points that all of us would get kept dawning on me with the testimonies. Here's one that came to mind.

So Chad, Alex and Lori killed HER CHILDREN (and Tammy) and here is Lori having fun with Chad's kids AND GRANDKIDS at the Berry FARM trip... So what does that mean, now adult children and their little children are OKAY??? And with her kids missing you were just fine having yours around them?

I have a new suspicion here about these two at least... I don't know that we should put them down as indoctrinated and naive... Maybe they were helping on some level from the start... Garth was the OLDEST and yeah right he heard dad snoring. Or ARE they just STUPID?

I am guessing but I think rebuttal may be something. I think even minor things like Emma's remarks about Zumba and more may come back to haunt he with bringing back of more minor witnesses as to Tammy's health and activities.

Oh and the whole thing about Joe getting the keys to the truck as it was potato harvest time so then he could say he saw Tammy on the couch coughing and not feeling well that night and you name it, if this entire family decided to lie or at least Chad, Emma and Joe, how would you prove this was false...IT is ALL coming from Chad sided people.

Oh and then EMMA explained he being buried in Springville because it was where she lived most of her life and her family was and there was a plot. OH TAmmy's family and a gravestone that Chad did NOT want his name on, why didn't the P ask about THAT? And a family they have NOTHING to do with any longer.

Yeah, there's PLENTY packed in there. Again no fireworks, well there were objections and a lot of other things of note but you'll pick up on them. I rewatched a lot of Emma's in fact and last night more than a bit of Garth's.

However, no jury or case should hinge on HIS own family members anyhow. I wondered why Blake didn't ask Emma why she was calling Lori in jail etc. but dont' know, can only guess as they cant' go outside the scope of what defense asked...? I don't think it used to be this way. Another thing that's changed...? For the worse?

Okay I recalled some of what I wanted dto say and dindt' think I would recall any of. I have NO Idea what happened today as I am way back.
 
Also there is no flipping way Emma googled the wind directions on dad and mom's computer. Give me a break. It's the perfect example of what I mean in how many cases when you have to come up with something for every single thing to explain away the truths and SO it is not the truth nor believable That's what Emma did, EXPLAIN everythng, tons of things to get her dad out of trouble, one thing after another. TOO much. No believable. Obvious what she is doing. If I were a juror I'd dismiss her entire testimony because of it. She comes across as unemotional, devoid of any feeling, rehearsed, fake and monotoned. So rehearsed she doesn't know what to do at times when it goes off script and she can't say what has been drilled in to come automatically and quickly.

Oh they have done their work of ensuring that her husband's testimony backs up some of hers, etc. However, to listen to her husband's and then Garth's huge mistake right out of the gate as to how he WAS to testify, Tammy drove the truck regularly making Emma a liar, just for one. arth had his own problems.

You'd think Emma lived in their bedroom in the bed between them for all she tries to claim she knows about every little thing. Isn't it interesting too that Garth is the one who was there but Emma is the one who testified to far more and is the "leader" of the siblings.... The one dad put in charge rather than the oldest who apparently is Garth who was also THERE and lived THERE, why wasn't he put in charge and why is he not the leader...

These kids are WEIRD, the whole family is weird. I almost feel like Emma is trained, indoctrinated and and if her dad told her to go assassinate the Pope she'd do it and be giddy that she was trusted and and asked dto do such for him She wants to make dad proud and show she can handle all and come though as his heroine and savior. There's something seriously wrong with a grown woman with a family who needs to talk to he dad every single day and sounds about like she almost lied there when Tammy was alive as well despite having a husband and her own home. Shouldn't she have been at home helping pick potatoes or something and then do putting them up for the end times in her prepper kitchen? Or planting a new crop?

And this sh*t of herself being 'possessed" and them casting such entity out of her oh boy, right there I guess dad's power was proven to her. Though she puts it on mom and all of that was not quite clear...

She claimed to be less fundamentalist in religion than Chad or Tammy but then she says things like this and one sees her belief in them and such showing her beliefs and it seems contradictory.

I WISH Blake had asked about her Colby remark and a lot of other things. Again though I suppose it's a real balance of what to make a big deal of if at all and then just dismiss them and their testimony as not important and scope probably plays in...

Other questions never asked, is canteen money still being provided to Lori? Is Emma still calling her? What's her need to talk to Chad every day and isn't this a bit of a twisted thing? The "woman" has a job and a family of her own, oh and referring to him as the patriarch do their family which kind of again shows WHO was boss and controlled while trying to act as if such didn't go on in other ways or like she had a brain of her own, it just did not fly. FOR ME and hopefully for no jurors either.

I try to picture Emma teaching school and I can't even imagine her being in charge of children or molding young lives, she is so lost herself--I dont' have he words, that's not really the right one. She's a product of zaniness and she is warped. Hides it or tries to buy is. Wrong words again.

Well I looked and none of yesterday's nor know if anything significant and am light years behind on even posts as I stayed on this day and wanted to see the full testimony before letting anything else come in or knew I never would. And I still haven't seen her hub's testimony.

These kids ignore Tammy's family and the real facts in this case that millions see more clearly. I do wonder if it is significant at all that two of 5 kids were not on the trip with new mommy Lori. Mark and Seth if I am coming up with all. The $9K was in Mark's room and here was mention by Chad of his and Lori's stuff being in the baby's room, then mention of that mattress in the Cozy Cone (what a WEIRD term that is)... Yet no baby lived there did one nor Mark? Mark may be the one that was a minor... And for some reason I thought it was the minor child that was there not the eldest BUT that's this case and keeping facts straight... Of course the family his so much and facts were not easy to come by as to even the home, who was living there after and so forth.

That mattress imo has some sort of implication and Chad wanted Emma to take care of it while trying to not make it sound unusual when HE knew they were being recorded. He tried to make it seem a normal thing in the conversation of bills, her moving back to the home, etc.

There's so much to unpack here and discuss but again I sure won't likely get the chance.

I'd ask what happened yesterday but probably would not see the answer as I am so behind and want to see all posts during and since their testimony still and haven't.

I'm hoping and thinking there will be some fiery rebuttal case of great interest. Perhaps.... Maybe not re the kids on the other hand as again what they said maybe shouldn't have much import. they are typical and all some defendants have, family that is biased and will lie for them, hardly the most important witnesses. How many 'friends" have they found who will get on the stand for Chad and remain willing? All these types of witnesses though even if there were any are lightweight compared to facts and evidence. Family who can't see or admit dad is what he is just doesnt' have the weight other evidence does.

My intent was to catch up last night at least in this case but didn't happen. I may not ever, hard to say but I did want to pause and not go ahead and see the "kids" testimony, etc. as it's been waited for by me and I think most of us for a long time. Blake did have some GOOD things with both and especially Emma. I feel she could have hit on a few of them a bit more to make it clear the screw up but anyone who knows as most of us would all she had to do was pause and let us all realize ourselves what Emma just screwed up in but then for a jury that doesn't know the case...

I don't even have words or know my point any longer. The kids may be the be all and end all to interest of us (self included) and the public and what Chad has to count on as how else can anyone or anything try to explain some things or explain away some things if he won't take the stand but they truly aren't the most important in the trial---they have a PURPOSE and agenda and bias. They aren't the professionals, they are not the evidence, they are just of most interest to us all but arent' the weight of the case and imo came across as just what the are, trying to get dad off in whatever way possible. Garth I'm not as sure of although he did rebound somewhat. Emma is OBVIOUS.

Sorry, I've had no nightly chance to deflate and vent on a case to let go of my long days. This week has been maybe the worst ever. Nothing bad happened, I just mean busy, hours beyond, you finally finish a ten or eleven hour shift every single day and then they keep you all late when your body and feet have had it and then right back to it. Just been a tough one, hardly got off ANY morning or night posts or caught up with ANY case. Three closing long days and then yesterday and today we are to early morning starts and it is hard to switch. Trying to motivate to get ready when not daylight I hate. And this is the time for year daylight is earlier! And more of it. Still dark here though now, totally but need to somehow get a move on and start getting ready.

I'm not even talking directly to anyone, just doing the thoughts and jumping off. Day off finally tomorrow but if I try to catch up I will lose what I really need to be doing as life is that way too. Been trying to get my place listed since end of April and between paperwork and schedules with realtor, etc. and my not living there, still has not happened so THAT has to take priority and watch then he won't be available.

Anywho.... Ms. Emma. Maybe dad will write another book about ya.
 
Emma is up.

Monday 20th May - Morning update.

LIVE UPDATES FROM THE CHAD DAYBELL TRIAL​

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Please excuse the typos. These are live updates from the courtroom.

11:50 a.m. Boyce says we will break for lunch. Back in an hour.

11:48 a.m. Garth says there were a lot of raccoons. Boyce wants to bring up an issue on sidebar.

11:46 a.m. The raccoons went after the rabbit food and they were worried they would start going after the rabbits. In the summer of 2019, they caught 3-4 raccoons. They were buried them in the compost heap behind the silver shed. Prior asks if other animals were buried on a different place on the property. Animals that were pets were buried by the raspberry patch.

11:45 a.m. Garth now says his mom drove the Dakota before 2017 and then began driving the Chevy Equinox. Prior asks about the summer of 2019 and raccoons. “That summer I was testing out a new tent in the back field and I heard a rustling. I went out and looked up into the tree and there was a raccoon there. I ran inside and told my dad and it was very close to where our rabbits were being kept. I told my dad, he grabbed the shotgun and he shot the raccoon,” Garth says. This was around 10 p.m.

11:43 a.m. Prior asks who drove the Dodge Dakota prior to 2017. It was Chad. After 2017, Garth says his dad was not driving the truck – his mom was the primary driver. Garth now says he has it backwards. At the time of his mother’s death, Garth says his dad was driving the Dodge Dakota. Prior asks Garth if he’s nervous. He says he is and considers himself pretty shy.

11:41 a.m. Garth is Chad’s son and is the oldest child. Prior asks who was living at the home when Tammy died. It was Tammy, Chad and Garth. Garth’s bedroom was at the end of the hallway and his parents room was across the hall.

11:40 a.m. Next witness is Garth Daybell.

11:39 a.m. Prior asks about the exhumation of Tammy and has nothing further. Emma Murray is released from the stand but Prior wants to keep her under subpoena.

11:36 a.m. Prior back at the podium and displays the insurance form. He asks what the line “spouse’s signature if applying for coverage” means. Emma says either her dad applied for coverage or her mom didn’t understand. Prior asks about Chad discussing with Emma about where the children were. Emma says her dad never knew where the children were.

11:35 a.m. Blake asks about the upstairs room with a mattress. Emma says people typically didn’t live up there and Chad had just moved it up there. Blake asks about the $8,000 deposit Chad made into her account. Emma says it happened. Blake asks about two bodies being located. “Whose bodies were those?” Emma responds, “Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow.” Blake has nothing further. Prior will now re-direct.

11:33 a.m. Chad tells Emma to move out of her house and move into his. “This is essentially your house and we’ll talk to John Prior about the financial arrangement but you should be fine for a while.” Blake stops the clip and asks Emma if she recalls the conversation with her dad. She does. Chad didn’t ask Emma if she knew why he was arrested.

11:32 a.m. “I’m not coming back,” Chad says. “All that stuff in the baby room is Lori’s and mine. The suitcases – you’ll see – just put it in the garage. Take that mattress from upstairs, do what you want.” Chad says, “We’re going to make it through. I’m glad we could talk.”

11:30 a.m. Chad says, “Cooperate with them as much as you feel.” Emma says, “They have been kind to us today.” She says she texted John Prior so he has her number. Chad tells Emma that a lot of the accounts are on autopay. “It sounds like you’re not going to be out for a little while,” Emma says. Emma is crying and says she will take care of her and Joe and Mark. Chad tells her to keep paying the mortgage.

11:29 a.m. Chad tells Emma how to use the card for Telemate to talk with Lori. He tells her how to sign in and Emma says she has an account that she’s been talking to Lori on. Chad tells her to use a particular card to put money on and to give her commissary money. He usually puts $30 a week on there.

11:27 a.m. Chad is asking Det. Ball about his wallet and Ball says Emma can take the wallet with the credit cards. Chad tells Emma there is about $9,000 in two white envelopes in the middle drawer of Mark’s dresser in his room. Chad says they will talk more about car payments and they begin discussing bank account information.

11:25 a.m. Blake begins playing the video. Chad is in the backseat of the car wearing a baseball cap. Emma opens the door and says, “I love you so much.” Chad responds, “I love you. Glad you came over.” Emma says, “I thought they took you downtown already.” Chad says, “I almost made it to the county line.” Emma says she saw the police chase Chad down.

11:19 a.m. The exhibit is the body camera footage that was previously admitted. Blake asks to publish a portion of the video. This is the conversation Emma had with her dad as police were searching the property for JJ and Tylee.

11:18 a.m. Blake asks about June 9, 2020 and requests an exhibit from the court.

11:16 a.m. Blake says she was unwillingly to sit down with law enforcement. Emma says, “In that instance, yes.” Blake asks if it was common for her dad to be in control and in charge. “Yes, as the patriarch of our home.” Blake asks about how Chad seemed when Tammy died. “Did your dad ever share with you a text to Lori that was sent less than 24 hours after your mother’s passing?” Emma responds, “My dad never shared text messages with me.”

11:14 a.m. Emma repeats again the didn’t want her mom to get an autopsy. Blake says once the autopsy was done, did Emma want to know the results. “I told them I didn’t want to interview with them. I wanted to see the results and I did not want to discuss it with them,” Emma says. Blake says police told her she did not have to do an interview, they were just going to share the results with her. Emma says they never said that.

11:13 a.m. Blake asks Emma if she provided any statements about her mom’s health when her mom died. Emma doesn’t remember. Blake asks if, at any point, Emma reached out to law enforcement about her mom’s medical conditions. “It wasn’t a crime, so no.”

11:12 a.m. Emma said during an interview in 2021 that Chad’s affair was not physical. She says she later learned it was physical. Blake asks Emma if she was present at the home when 911 was called the day Tammy died. She was not.

11:10 a.m. Emma says she has read all of her dad’s books. In Chad’s autobiography, he says the visions he had experienced are all true. Blake asks about priesthood blessings and the statement Emma made about a man “living the covenant” could give a blessing. Blake asks if committing adultery is living the covenant. Emma says no. Blake asks when she learned Chad was having an affair with Lori. “After he was arrested,” Emma says. “I heard about things in the news after Lori was arrested in February 2020 but I learned more after he was arrested – very shortly after. Once again the news.”

11:09 a.m. Blake asks if when her dad caught her about castings, he told her anything about the body having to be destroyed or had to die. Emma says no. Emma says her dad never talked to her about Alex Cox. He never spoke to her about Lori Vallow before Tammy died.

11:06 a.m. Blake asks Emma if she happened to be searching for south, southwest wind the day before Tylee was last seen alive. Yes. The day before her dad sent her mom a message about a raccoon on the property. Emma says yes. Emma says her dad taught her about castings and her mom did them too. “Are you still alive?” Blake asks. Emma responds, “Yes.” Emma says her dad taught her about multi-creations but didn’t teach her about zombies.

11:05 a.m. Blake asks Emma if she ever asked her dad where JJ Vallow was. “Yes. He told he he was in a safe place.” Same question about Tylee. “Yes. He told me she was in a safe place.” Blake asks where the kids were found. “In the backyard. My dad’s property.”

11:03 a.m. Blake asks Emma if she ever saw her mom with a paintball gun, rifle, assault rifle, any gun. Emma says no. Emma says she learned her mom had been exhumed on Dec. 13. Blake asks about Emma’s meeting with Det. Hope. Emma says Hope told her they were concerned about JJ’s whereabouts and they were still looking for him. Blake asks Emma when she saw Hermosillo at the gym. She says it was after Chad was arrested in 2020.

11:02 a.m. Blake asks if her parents could access each other’s accounts because they shared passwords. Emma says yes. Blake asks if her dad could block access or delete emails on Tammy’s accounts. “If he knew how,” Emma says.

11:01 a.m. Blake shows the form on the big screen. She asks what company the insurance is through. It’s through LifeMap and the amount is for $80,000. Blake shows the signatures on the form to the jury.

11 a.m. Emma is given the insurance form. Blake asks whose signatures are on the insurance form. Emma says Tamara Daybell and Chad Daybell. The dates is 9/8/19. This was only insurance for Tammy.

10:57 a.m. Emma says Tammy was not training for a 5K. “Would it surprise you that other people said she was?” Blake asks. Emma says, “No.” Blake asks if Emma was privy to all her parents’ conversations. Emma says no. Blake asks about her mom taking out the insurance policy and why Chad’s signature would have been on the form if Tammy filled it out alone. Emma says Tammy took our insurance on Chad. Blake asks for an exhibit.

10:56 a.m. Blake asks why her husband had to get the keys to the truck from Tammy. Emma says he wanted to borrow the truck for potato harvest and Tammy had the keys and was the closest to it. Blake asks Emma about Tammy playing on the Wii. It was an exercise game. Emma says she did it a lot in 2018 and earlier. “Fair to say your mom enjoyed physical activities?” Blake asks. Emma responds, “She enjoyed video games.” She also liked farming and Pokemon games.

10:54 a.m. Blake asks if Emma would visit with her mom when she was going to bed. Blake asks if she knew what Tammy would do with the FitBit every night. Emma says she saw her several times with the FitBit. Blake asks if it would surprise Emma to learn on Oct. 18, there was activity on Tammy’s phone past 10. Blake asks Emma if she was there that night. Emma says she only knows what she was told about Tammy being sick and throwing up that night. She was not there.

10:53 a.m. Blake asks if it would surprise Emma to learn there was no mention of the anemia in her medical records. She visited the doctor in 2019 and no mention of anemia or sleep apnea. Emma says she isn’t surprised that there is no mention in her medical records.

10:52 a.m. Blake asks if Emma recalls talking to her dad about the 5K race and her dad saying certain things. Emma doesn’t recall. Blake asks about her dad telling Emma about Zumba. She says her dad has never told her to say anything.

10:50 a.m. Blake begins by reminding Emma that she promised to tell the truth. Blake tells Emma she has spoken with her dad almost daily. Emma says that’s true. Blake reminds Emma that in early June 2020, Chad told Emma not to cooperate with law enforcement. Emma no longer met with the FBI.

10:49 a.m. Prior is done. Blake will now
cross-examine.

10:48 a.m. Prior asks her father’s emotions on the day of her mother’s funeral. “Typical for any grieving Latter-day Saint husband.” “Latter-day Saints believe we will be resurrected and with our families forever. A funeral isn’t saying goodbye forever – it’s a see you later, it’s a break,” Emma says. She says he cried but also laughed and smiled at times.

10:46 a.m. Prior asks Emma if she observed Chad leaving at a high rate of speed when he left the house that day. She says the speed limit is 50 mph and she saw him drive that speed. Prior asks who Chad was going to see. Blake objects on hearsay grounds. Prior suggests he was going to see a lawyer. Blake objects, judge sustains it and the question and answer are struck from the record.

10:45 a.m. Prior asks about June 9 – the day Chad was arrested. Prior asks about the police car footage that showed the conversation between Emma and Chad. Prior asks how the car was parked. He asks if someone was to look out the right side of the car window, what would you be looking at. Emma says the house. Prior asks if someone was looking out the other side, what would they be looking at. Emma says, “Whatever was behind the car” but she says not the property.

10:43 a.m. Prior asks if Emma met with Det. Hope at her school. Emma says yes, she met with him one time. “I wanted to ask him what was going on – why he was contacting members of my family. He was asking where my dad was. We gave him my dad’s phone number and told him he was in Hawaii but they said they had no way of contacting him. That seemed untrue.”

10:42 a.m. Emma says a detective from Madison County confronted her in the hallway at church and it was really uncomfortable. She says after the incident, she never went back to the congregation.

10:41 a.m. Prior asks if Emma felt like she was under scrutiny as part of this case. She says yes – “any interaction with law enforcement.” Emma went to exercise with her sister-in-law and they were in a section of the gym when Det. Hermosillo came to start exercising near them. “It seemed like a part of the gym that would have been too easy for him,” Emma explains. “He was standing closer to us than felt comfortable and it felt like he was trying to listen in to our conversation.”

10:39 a.m. Emma asks Hope about her mother being exhumed. He told her it had already happened and it was the first time she had heard about it. Prior asks Emma if she was ever misled about the exhumation. Emma says no. Prior asks the same question. Emma says she doesn’t understand the question.

10:37 a.m. Prior asks Emma is her father owned a dog. “My father did not own a dog. He doesn’t like dogs,” Emma says. Emma had a dog across the street. Prior wants to talk about Emma’s feelings with law enforcement. “I was aware of an event that had happened with my brother and I wanted to learn more about it so I contacted the same detective that had contacted him,” Emma says. Emma says the detective was Dave Hope.

10:35 a.m. Prior asks if Emma has encountered animals on the property and if those animals were buried after being shot. Prior asks if she has knowledge about animals being shot on her dad’s property. Prior asks what animals would visit her dad’s property. “There were a lot of cats. We live right by a busy highway so all throughout there’s stray cats that get hit. My mother would feel bad for them and they won’t even out cat and they would get buried,” Emma says. Dogs, chickens, ducks, raccoons, sometimes sparrows too, Emma says, were buried in the pet cemetery.

10:33 a.m. Emma says if anything was modified in the pet cemetery, Tammy would know. Prior begins to ask about an email “that’s been all over the news” and Boyce asks for a sidebar. Sidebar over and Prior asks about the raccoon text message. Emma says she is aware of it.

10:32 a.m. Emma says the decision to have the funeral in Springville seemed natural because Tammy lived there most of her life and there was a family gravesite plot. Emma says Tammy loved to nurture things – gardening, taking care of plants, etc. She liked ducks, rabbits, chickens.

10:30 a.m. Prior asks about the planning of Tammy’s funeral service. Emma says they met with someone at Flamm Funeral Home. “They gave us the choice of Tuesday or Saturday. There were other customers the funeral home was helping. Those were the only days available for the funeral home to help,” Emma says. Emma says there was a family discussion over whether to have the funeral on Tuesday or Saturday.

10:24 a.m. Emma walks into the courtroom to the witness stand. Jurors walk in. Prior continues to question about Lori traveling separately to California. Prior asks if the location of the children was ever discussed. Emma says yes. “From my understanding, I was told that the children were in a safe place,” Emma says.

10:20 a.m. Both sides argue their positions and calls this an “interesting issue.” Suddenly the jurors start walking in and Boyce asks that they leave – court isn’t ready for them yet. Boyce sustains Blake’s objection about statements made by Lori Vallow unless they are within very narrow exceptions. Prior asks if the court is excluding Emma from testifying about what Lori Vallow told her. Boyce says his ruling is limited to the line of questions that came up so further objections/exceptions would need to be taken up as they arise.

10:17 a.m. Judge Boyce is back on the bench. He is taking up an issue outside presence of the jury – whether the statements Vallow made on the trip to California with the Daybell family constitutes hearsay or not.

10:14 a.m. We are back in the courtroom. Green tickets were distributed to those of us in the courtroom this morning so we have a seat. They are letting in around 12 more people who have been waiting all morning. Don’t think I mentioned it, but my wife Erica is with me in court today. Our EastIdahoNews.com comment moderator, Peggy, is also here so don’t be a jerk in the comments while she’s away.

9:57 a.m. We are out in the hallway waiting to get into the courtroom. The Trial Court Administrator just announced that the ticket reservation system will be brought back next week. This is, by far, the most people who have shown up to try and get into the courtroom.

9:40 a.m. Lori Vallow was also on the trip. Emma doesn’t know where Lori left from but she arrived in California by vehicle later on. Defense and prosecutors arguing over an issue. Morning break time. Back in 20 minutes.

9:38 a.m. Prior asks about the trip to California over Thanksgiving break. Chad, Emma, her husband, their son, Leah, her husband, their son and Garth were on the trip. They left Rexburg and drove to the Salt Lake airport. They then flew to California and went to Knott’s Berry Farm. The trip was just a few days. Chad was then going to life temporarily in Hawaii, Emma says.

9:37 a.m. Emma says her dad was emotionally out of control and she has never seen him so upset. “I know the grief he felt was real. He may not have had the same romantic relationship with my mother that he had in the past, but I knew he valued her as a person and seeing her die was very traumatic,” Emma says.

9:35 a.m. Emma says her dad was very distressed and not speaking at the moment. Emma told the coroner she did not want an autopsy. Emma says her dad nodded. Prior asks if Chad ever expressed an opinion on whether he wanted an autopsy or not. “He never expressed an opinion,” Emma says. She says her dad was more distressed than she has ever seen him “in my entire life.”

9:34 a.m. Prior asks Emma when she arrived at her parents’ home the day Tammy died. She arrived before 7 a.m. “Coroner Dye was inspecting my mom’s body and she asked us some questions about our wishes. She offered an autopsy and the area where we lived in, the body would have to be taken to Boise which is about five hours away. It would delay the funeral,” Emma says. “I don’t think autopsies should be done on anyone. The idea of my mother’s body undergoing that was very distressing to me.”

9:32 a.m. Prior asks Emma if her mom is familiar with paintball guns. Emma says it’s a common recreational thing. Her mom may not have enjoyed going but she did. Tammy had an older brother and uncle who liked to do adventuresome things. Prior asks about the events of Oct.9. Tammy dropped Emma off from her clogging class and then immediately went home that night. Tammy posted on Facebook about the incident so Emma called her immediately. “She was very sure it was a paintball gun,” Emma says.

9:30 a.m. Emma did not interpret her dad’s books to be scriptures. Emma says her dad is very introverted, like her mom. Prior asks if they were more “bookworm” type. Emma says yes. Her dad enjoyed speaking in front of groups and teaching but not necessarily talking one-on-one with people. Talking in front of people had a different energy about it, Emma says.

9:29 a.m. Emma says her dad wrote fiction and non-fictions books. He gained most of his inspiration from the “more traditional” Latter-day Saint church and his own ideas, Emma says. Emma says her dad wanted to teach about the future with fictional characters.

9:28 a.m. Emma says her mom learned about muscle testing and reflexology as a child from her parents. She learned more about it later in life. Emma says both her parents learned about it but Tammy was more skilled at it.

9:27 a.m. Prior asks about the Emotion Code and if her parents used it. Blake objects based on relevance. Boyce sustains. Prior asks Emma if she believes her mom and dad could sense whether a person was light or dark. Emma says yes.

9:26 a.m. Prior asks if after teh spirit was cast out, she died. Emma says no. “The goal is so you have your own body back and can be in control of yourself,” she says. Prior asks if she has ever heard the word zombies. Emma says just on TV. The jury is focused intently on this testimony.

9:25 a.m. Prior stresses it’s men who give blessings to other people. Emma says in the times of Joseph Smith, women gave blessings too. Emma says after her dad gave her the blessing when she was struggling, “I instantly felt better. I felt the individual that was trying to affect my body was gone,” Emma says.

9:23 a.m. Emma says any man who is an adult and make promises to keep teachings of the church with the power to serve other people can receive the priesthood – it wasn’t unique to her father. Emma says it’s common for people in her faith to give blessings as long as they are eligible and have the priesthood.

9:22 a.m. Prior asks about Emma learning her dad had a relationship with another woman. Emma says it was not an appropriate relationship. Prior asks if she would agree that nobody is perfect. Emma agrees – nobody is perfect.

9:22 a.m. Emma has struggled with anxiety for years and says it was feeling unmanageable. “I felt like there was a being that was with me. I talked to my parents about it and my dad cast it out using the power of the priesthood. Then I felt better afterward,” Prior says. She says it was the power of God through the laying on of hands.

9:21 a.m. Emma says her mother would frequently assign numbers to people as to whether they were light or dark. Emma says her mom was more fundamental than her dad as far as religious beliefs.

9:19 a.m. Prior asks Emma is her brothers and sisters share their dad’s religious beliefs. She says there are elements they might feel drawn to but not others. Prior asks Emma her views on the concept of “light” and “dark.” Emma says good and evil would be talking about your actions while light and dark would be motivations. Light you’re acting like the Savior, dark you’re acting like Satan.

9:18 a.m. Prior asks Emma how she describes her father’s faith. “He wanted to stick to as close to the original form as he could. He was really interested in teachings from Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and other earlier leaders,” Emma says. She describes him as fundamental. Emma says she didn’t necessarily share her dad’s religious beliefs but shared some.

9:17 a.m. Emma says all the kids would play musical instruments in the Cozy Cone. Her sister Leah would go up to study sometimes. You have to go through the garage to get to the Cozy Cone. “It was really inconvenient” to get there, Emma says.

9:16 a.m. Prior asks about the house. It’s a brick-house, garage and Prior asks if it’s one story. Emma says the previous owner constructed a building over the pump house. She says it’s unheated and is built from a different material. There isn’t much electricity that goes to it, she says. Emma says it’s called the Cozy Cone.

9:14 a.m. Prior asks about the roles of Chad and Tammy in the book publishing company. Emma says Tammy would help design book covers – she did most of them by herself – and she did the finances and taxes for the company. Chad would try and find authors to have their books published.

9:12 a.m. The day before Tylee died, Emma says she did a search on Chad’s desktop computer for south, southwest winds because they were planning an outdoor event. “I was trying to be an amateur meteorologist,” Emma says. Emma says there wasn’t a login or anything – she just jumped online. This is in reference to the search done the day before Tylee was buried on the property.

9:11 a.m. Prior asks Emma if Tammy consulted with Chad before she increased the insurance. Emma says they filled out the paperwork together. “We both signed to take out more life insurance on ourselves and did not consult with our husbands,” Emma says. Emma did not take out the maximum because she could not afford it but Tammy checked the box.

9:09 a.m. Prior asks if Tammy had any self-defense skills. Emma says nothing formal but occasionally there would be classes at church about self-defense. Prior asks about life insurance and Emma says the insurance company came to the school one day to speak about increasing life insurance. “It was really cheap insurance and they encouraged us to purchase some so both my mother and I purchased some.”

9:08 a.m. The clogging classes took place once a week on Wednesdays. Emma and Tammy went for about six weeks. They started going about six weeks before Tammy died.

9:06 a.m. Emma says the idea of the Zumba High Fitness class is you can participate to your comfort level. She describes the instructor being on stage and people in the class mimicking the instructor’s movements. Lights were dimmed and party lights were turned on so nobody could see how you were doing. Emma and Tammy would be in the back of the room.

9:04 a.m. Prior asks Emma about her mom taking clogging and Zumba fitness classes. Emma says she and her mom were both overweight and wanted to exercise more. Some ladies at the school invited Tammy and Emma to come to the class at the local elementary school gym. They started going in April 2019.

9:02 a.m. Prior asks about Tammy training for a 5K race. Emma says she was training for a race and invited her mom to run the race but Tammy said she would not do it. Joseph, Emma’s husband, organized a 5K for Operation Underground Railroad and Tammy helped plan it.

8:59 a.m. Emma’s in-laws were having a step competition with Tammy to see who could get the most steps on FitBit. Tammy wanted to win. Blake objects to a question and asks Emma about a conversation with her father where Chad told Emma Tammy would swing her arm off the bed to get steps. Emma doesn’t recall the conversation. Emma says her mom would often swing her arm to get steps.

8:58 a.m. The Dodge Dakota was sold to Emma and her husband. They still drive it. Prior asks about Tammy’s FitBit that would count her steps. Tammy wore the watch during the day and charged it at night. Emma says her mom got the FitBit to increase her physical fitness. Emma says Tammy and Emma both had a FitBit and Tammy bought one for Chad but he wouldn’t wear it.

8:56 a.m. Emma says as her mom prepared for the book fair, she overloaded some boxes and carried them as she rested them against her arms. Emma noticed her mom needing help so Emma stepped out of a meeting to help her. Tammy drove her parents’ Dodge Dakota to work that day. Emma says her dad was the primary driver of the Dakota. Tammy drove the Chevy Equinox.

8:55 a.m. Emma says she visited her mom in her classroom any chance she got. Emma says she never saw her mom talk about her health with coworkers. Emma says her mother was a very private person. Tammy didn’t want to miss work – she wanted to go every day. She was paid by the hour so financially, it was important that she go to work.

8:53 a.m. Prior asks about Oct. 18, 2019 – the day before Tammy died. Emma says her mom was preparing for a book fair. She says her mom worked in a computer lab at the school and in the library. Emma says her mom was an introvert “at the core.” “She could be friendly and smalltalk with people but in general, she didn’t confide with people.”

8:51 a.m. Emma says her mom took colloidal silver and Tammy would encourage others who were sick to take it. Emma says her mom bruised easy and used arnica gel to treat the bruises. “If she were bump her hip on the counter when she was walking by, she would get a massive bruise from that.”

8:49 a.m. Emma has sleep apnea and her grandfather does too. She wonders if Tammy did too. Tammy also had anemia. She preferred herbal supplements and took the generic form of Prozac.

8:48 a.m. Emma lives at the house where her father used to live. She says she has made a financial arrangement with her father to live at the house and she doesn’t know what Chad has arranged with Prior. Emma says her health started declining within the last year of her life. “She was always one to meet the demands of daily life without being exhausted and she started going to be before dinner some nights. It would be like 5-6-7 o’clock at night and she would sleep in a lot.”

8:47 a.m. Emma says she has spoken to John Prior three times in preparation for the trial including last night. She says she is prepared to tell the truth.

8:45 a.m. Emma is married to Joseph Murray. Prior asks if she received a subpoena from the prosecutor or defense. She says she received one from both. Emma says she has not watched the trial.

8:44 a.m. Prior calls Emma Murray, Chad Daybell’s daughter, to the stand.

8:42 a.m. Prior says he is ready to call a witness. Jurors are being brought in.

8:40 a.m. Boyce says the clerical error on the indictment will be addressed with a jury instruction. Jurors can consider the date on the original indictment when they deliberate. Boyce says his staff attorney, Courtney Stallings, discovered the error on the indictment and she is preparing the jury instructions. A jury instruction conference will be held before deliberations.

8:38 a.m. Judge Steven Boyce is on the bench. He says the state has concluded its case-in-chief and the defense will now present its case. Boyce says he has one issue to address on the record before jurors are brought in.

8:31 a.m. Chad Daybell looks like he got a haircut over the weekend. He is sitting next to Prior. Prosecutors Lindsey Blake, Rob Wood, Ingrid Batey and Rocky Wixom at their table. “Courtroom Daddy” giving instruction to everyone in the gallery – turn phones off, no whispering, no symbolic wristbands or shirts, no hats.

8:30 a.m. We are in the courtroom and there was a huge crowd of people hoping to get into the trial today. More than we have ever seen. Many are being turned away due to not enough seats.

8:20 a.m. It’s the start of week 7 in Chad Daybell’s murder case (week 8 if you include jury selection). The defense will begin its case today after the prosecution rested Thursday. During opening statements in April, John Prior, Chad’s defense attorney, said he plans to call the following to testify:

  • At least three of Chad’s children
  • Greg Hampikian – DNA expert/Co-Director of the Idaho Innocence Project/Director of the Forensic Justice Project at Boise State University
  • Patrick Eller – Metadata CEO and digital forensisches examiner
  • Dr. Kathy Raven – forensic pathologist – Raven Forensics
During testimony last week, Prior said Dr. Eric Bartelink, an anthropologist, is one of his expert witnesses. This is all subject to change based on Prior’s approach.
It might sound minor and forgot to mention it but Emma testified that her mom did he pet cemetery, not dad and that she would even bury problen dead animals there, etc. she mentioned skunks and you name it. Garth consistently said the racoons etc. were buried near the silver shed in the compost heap. It may sound minor but there was quite a difference here. Emma made it all about her mom, Garth did no such thing in placement, etc. Both can watch if they have chosen to by my guess is one is telling the truth and one stayed away from watching the other's testimony and one watched all of everyone's etc.
 
@Tresir, what about this one?
Prior asks about Chad discussing with Emma about where the children were. Emma says her dad never knew where the children were.

Do you think Emma believes Chad didn't know the kids were buried there?
And do you think Emma is the one researching "which way the wind blows" when Tylee was buried there?

I call BS on both.
DITTO.
 

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