JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events

• April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
• December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
• February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
• February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
• June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
• July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
• August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
• September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
• September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
• September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
• September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
• October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
• October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
• October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
• October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
• Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
• November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
• November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
• December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
• December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
• December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
• January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
• January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

The latest timeline in the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell cases - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

www.eastidahonews.com

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[Kimster]

NJ said it was Alex on the dating site using Adam's picture !!!. Seems like they were all dating or trying to. Alex, Charles and Lori. Maybe for LDS that is not unusual.

I didn’t know that Mormons had their own dating site, but it makes sense. Most people I know that are single have used a dating site at one time or another, including myself.

 

[Tresir]

Yeah that's the impression I got but don't recall Alex ever being said. NJ came back later when it wasn't even the topic and went to correct herself on when she first met Adam and mentioned the dating site thing. As far as I recall it had nothing to do with Alex but could be wrong. In fact she seemed to fail to make it clear who was impersonating Adam or if anyone even really was.

Who else could it have been if not Alex? Adam is obviously better looking than Alex is my guess. Otherwise i don't know what she meant. Why didn't she just say she recognised his pic from a dating app?

 

[Kimster]

Video of Alex's police interview. I just came across it and have now finished watching. The wound on the back of the head can be seen. First 8 minutes is setting up the room and the interview. Then about 30 minutes is the interview. Then he is left for about 40 mins then a paramedic comes in with the officer and takes swabs of his head and hands for about 10 minutes. Then left alone again till about 15 mins from end when the officer comes back in continuing interviewing for about another 5 or 6 minutes. Total time 2 hours 8 mins.

I’ve seen that interview before and I’ve looked at his head and I just think there should be a knot if he was hit with a baseball bat. Am I the only one that thinks that?

 

[Kimster]

NJ said it was Alex on the dating site using Adam's picture !!!. Seems like they were all dating or trying to. Alex, Charles and Lori. Maybe for LDS that is not unusual.

I just reread your post and I think it was Adam that had a different name. Did I hear that wrong? I thought that it was Adam’s picture with a different name and she thought it was somebody using Adam’s picture but come to find out it was really Adam.

 

[Kimster]

Who else could it have been if not Alex? Adam is obviously better looking than Alex is my guess. Otherwise i don't know what she meant. Why didn't she just say she recognised his pic from a dating app?

I think Adam would’ve been on the site and didn’t want to put his real name because people might put two and two together. So he probably used a fake name? She must’ve had a conversation with him on the dating site but they didn’t know each other and then when she saw him at Pickleball, she said I’m the person who reached out on the dating site. That’s how I took it anyway. I got the impression this happened after Charles and Alex had already passed.

 

[Tresir]

I didn’t know that Mormons had their own dating site, but it makes sense. Most people I know that are single have used a dating site at one time or another, including myself.

I didnt necessarily mean they have their own sites but just that dating was normal for Mormon men because they can have multiple wives right? Didn't mean to confuse but i thought some of her testimony a bit iffy. Like waiting 5 months to give Kay her condolences.

 

[Kimster]

I didnt necessarily mean they have their own sites but just that dating was normal for Mormon men because they can have multiple wives right? Didn't mean to confuse but i thought some of her testimony a bit iffy. Like waiting 5 months to give Kay her condolences.

She said that she didn’t know Charles was dead until she saw. I’m on TV in December. She thought he was ghosting her. That’s when she reached out to Kay.

I would say at least 95% of Mormons do not believe in having multiple wives anymore. I have Mormons in my family. Quite a few of them.

 

[Kimster]

Actually, the part that had me kind of surprised about the dating sites and divorced people is that it used to be Mormon’s didn’t believe in divorce so I guess they’ve really opened that door, too. That has always shocked me about how Lori can nonchalantly be divorced five times and now she gets to judge NJ? SMH

 

[GrandmaBear]

That's what I thought but he said he had already changed it, in February I believe.

I have now seen her testimony and her hesitancy on some things I thought were not good. Maybe she was a bit intimidated.

I felt she was a bit nervous at first with the prosecutor actually and to me most normal people are like that in court but she did great imo. Did you watch or just read?

I think some of the "dancing" around might have had to do with things either not to be brought up or the "opening of doors". Trying not to let it go off over something else. She was not clear on the Adam dating thing I will say that.

The life insurance came up with the P and she was still kind of getting settled in then and the P actually should have clarified it more perhaps.

To me it was clear she was offering no more than should be but trying to know what should be if that makes sense. It was also clear she and Charles talked about a LOT more. She didn't want to put a foot wrong as most feel, for sure in the beginning. The one the least forthcoming was the other one, Atwood was it?

I'm unsure how much each was advised but generally they would be as to trying to keep answers short, offer no more than asked, that kind of thing.

I would say I'm not sure I felt her truthful in whether Charles told her about any contention with him and Tylee. When Lori asked.

She was nervous in the beginning.

If I was a juror though, at least for me, I'd find her basically entirely credible but clearly trying not to go some places and being concerned she answer as best she can and not mess anything up as a "civilian" kind of witness wanting to do right by Charles, JJ, etc. and when in a possible minefield. I'd also know she was probably advised to keep her answer short, listen to the question, offer nothing more, and also that maybe some things are to be avoided.

Yeah I think she advised him to change it though right but he already had? The life insurance? I'd have to listen again.

I think she was a great witness though. I doubt either woman wanted to be there.

 

[Tresir]

I’ve seen that interview before and I’ve looked at his head and I just think there should be a knot if he was hit with a baseball bat. Am I the only one that thinks that?

I've never seen it before. Did you post it on here at the time? - i obviously missed it. I don't know what it would look like if hit by a baseball bat.

He was adamant that Charles used his right hand (said it twice). I have read that Charles used a different hand for baseball bat and writing but can't remember which way it was. Anyone remember reading that?

 

[GrandmaBear]

This is the narrative in the daily tweets from EIN. It was Adam's pic but a different name. She said Lori's brother came up on a dating app with a different name. I took it to mean Alex was doing it using Adam's pic.

1:36 p.m. Nancy Jo says she said hello to Adam and he asked who her grandson was on the pickleball team. “I don’t know that he knew who I was. I knew who he was.” Nancy Jo talked with Adam. “When you were talking with him, you told him you were who?” Nancy Jo: “I told him my name was Nancy Jo Hancock.” Nancy Jo says Lori’s brother came up on a dating app. She messaged the person because it had Adam’s photo but a different name. She reached out and said, “If you’re going to use someone photo, you should use someone elses.” Lori then says, “Do you know what perjury is?” Treena Kay objects as argumentative. Judge sustains.

Okay. I just don't know where that led to it being Alex? Unless I'm slow, I never thought that at all.

 

[Kimster]

I felt she was a bit nervous at first with the prosecutor actually and to me most normal people are like that in court but she did great imo. Did you watch or just read?

I think some of the "dancing" around might have had to do with things either not to be brought up or the "opening of doors". Trying not to let it go off over something else. She was not clear on the Adam dating thing I will say that.

The life insurance came up with the P and she was still kind of getting settled in then and the P actually should have clarified it more perhaps.

To me it was clear she was offering no more than should be but trying to know what should be if that makes sense. It was also clear she and Charles talked about a LOT more. She didn't want to put a foot wrong as most feel, for sure in the beginning. The one the least forthcoming was the other one, Atwood was it?

I'm unsure how much each was advised but generally they would be as to trying to keep answers short, offer no more than asked, that kind of thing.

I would say I'm not sure I felt her truthful in whether Charles told her about any contention with him and Tylee. When Lori asked.

She was nervous in the beginning.

If I was a juror though, at least for me, I'd find her basically entirely credible but clearly trying not to go some places and being concerned she answer as best she can and not mess anything up as a "civilian" kind of witness wanting to do right by Charles, JJ, etc. and when in a possible minefield. I'd also know she was probably advised to keep her answer short, listen to the question, offer nothing more, and also that maybe some things are to be avoided.

Yeah I think she advised him to change it though right but he already had? The life insurance? I'd have to listen again.

I think she was a great witness though. I doubt either woman wanted to be there.

I thought she was nervous throughout the whole thing! Even though she was poised and direct, she had to have been nervous! I mean, she was facing a serial killer who she didn’t know what she might do or say. And I feel that the judge allowed Lori to talk too much. I’ve read that if you represent yourself, judges tend to let you get away with more. But I don’t think they should be allowed to intimidate witnesses.

 

[Tresir]

I felt she was a bit nervous at first with the prosecutor actually and to me most normal people are like that in court but she did great imo. Did you watch or just read?

I think some of the "dancing" around might have had to do with things either not to be brought up or the "opening of doors". Trying not to let it go off over something else. She was not clear on the Adam dating thing I will say that.

The life insurance came up with the P and she was still kind of getting settled in then and the P actually should have clarified it more perhaps.

To me it was clear she was offering no more than should be but trying to know what should be if that makes sense. It was also clear she and Charles talked about a LOT more. She didn't want to put a foot wrong as most feel, for sure in the beginning. The one the least forthcoming was the other one, Atwood was it?

I'm unsure how much each was advised but generally they would be as to trying to keep answers short, offer no more than asked, that kind of thing.

I would say I'm not sure I felt her truthful in whether Charles told her about any contention with him and Tylee. When Lori asked.

She was nervous in the beginning.

If I was a juror though, at least for me, I'd find her basically entirely credible but clearly trying not to go some places and being concerned she answer as best she can and not mess anything up as a "civilian" kind of witness wanting to do right by Charles, JJ, etc. and when in a possible minefield. I'd also know she was probably advised to keep her answer short, listen to the question, offer nothing more, and also that maybe some things are to be avoided.

Yeah I think she advised him to change it though right but he already had? The life insurance? I'd have to listen again.

I think she was a great witness though. I doubt either woman wanted to be there.

I have watched and read - sorry I thought I said. She didn't advise him to change but advised him to tell his wife, I think.

Eta I checked my post and started it with " I have now seen her testimony" LOL.

 

[Kimster]

I've never seen it before. Did you post it on here at the time? - i obviously missed it. I don't know what it would look like if hit by a baseball bat.

He was adamant that Charles used his right hand (said it twice). I havd read that Charles used a different hand for baseball bat and writing but can't remember which way it was. Anyone remember reading that?

I’ve seen the video on YouTube. I don’t know that I got it from here. I can’t watch all the videos that are posted on here, unfortunately.

I do remember something about the right hand and the left hand, but I’m not clear about what it was?

 

[Kimster]

I have watched and read - sorry I thought I said. She didn't advise him to change but advised him to tell his wife, I think.

Oh yeah, she did advise him to tell Lori . He didn’t have time! He saw her that night and that’s when they talked about it and then he was gone within 12 hours. That thought still gives me the chills.

Shoot, my time is up. BBL

 

[GrandmaBear]

Who else could it have been if not Alex? Adam is obviously better looking than Alex is my guess. Otherwise i don't know what she meant. Why didn't she just say she recognised his pic from a dating app?

It was not clear, I will say that. I was left wondering. However, I leaned more towards she found out it was Adam perhaps as she was explaining how she actually met him rather than pickleball as she had first said. Then my thought was simply that she did not realize he was single. Or dating. That was my guess/interpretation.

But it wasn't clear certainly. I never figured it had anything to do with Alex but who knows.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I just reread your post and I think it was Adam that had a different name. Did I hear that wrong? I thought that it was Adam’s picture with a different name and she thought it was somebody using Adam’s picture but come to find out it was really Adam.

That's how I took it too. Or that she didn't realize he was single so thought he wouldn't be on a dating app so figured it was someone else using the pic. But either way came to find out it was Adam and she was wrong. Because she was correcting how she met Adam.

it wasn't really clear but that kind of thing was my interpretation as well.

 

[Tresir]

Okay. I just don't know where that led to it being Alex? Unless I'm slow, I never thought that at all.

It was just where my mind immediately led. People using an alias must be very normal. But she said it was someone else's name, like it wasn't Adam, IMO.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think Adam would’ve been on the site and didn’t want to put his real name because people might put two and two together. So he probably used a fake name? She must’ve had a conversation with him on the dating site but they didn’t know each other and then when she saw him at Pickleball, she said I’m the person who reached out on the dating site. That’s how I took it anyway. I got the impression this happened after Charles and A already passed.

Yeah I am looking at it similarly and have since hearing it although I had another thought or two as to why I put in another post or two. But yeah that is a thought too, that people don't always want to use their real name on a dating site for various reasons. I did take it that it did turn out to be Adam.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I didnt necessarily mean they have their own sites but just that dating was normal for Mormon men because they can have multiple wives right? Didn't mean to confuse but i thought some of her testimony a bit iffy. Like waiting 5 months to give Kay her condolences.

They supposedly don't any longer and not legally for sure, it is bigamy, at least not here. I have heard there are those that still do that or have that kind of life. The change in that was kind of forced on the religion by the law back when.