JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events

• April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
• December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
• February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
• February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
• June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
• July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
• August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
• September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
• September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
• September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
• September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
• October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
• October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
• October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
• October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
• Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
• November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
• November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
• December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
• December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
• December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
• January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
• January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

The latest timeline in the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell cases - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

www.eastidahonews.com

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[GrandmaBear]

The phone confirmed it. They already knew Charles and Adam were planning an intervention. Adam told his family and they were against it, so they may have told her too, but I don't know how she knew before that date, but she did and is why she had Alex there. I mean Adam was planning to stay with Alex, so they knew from that he was coming to town and is why Alex was there and wouldn't respond to Adam's contacts. The phone then confirmed it i guess and caused a big row and the subsequent shooting.

Did you read my post 8306 about Adam's testimony naming the guy who was advising him.

See that's what I thought re Adam advising family but I'd have to relisten but wasn't what he said in testimony. He said he told no one. However, maybe it was one of those carefully worded questions. I always thought he did so and Summer advised Lori or someone, and the family wasn't willing to be in on it, etc., etc.

As far as the stake president, did he actually ever talk to him because yesterday he said that time he wasnt there at least. Had he been in contact prior? OR had Charles?

I've heard all this stuff over the yrs but felt yesterday at least with the jury, it would seem they told no one else. I had a busy day so maybe I missed something but I watched Adam's full testimony.

 

[GrandmaBear]

The phone confirmed it. They already knew Charles and Adam were planning an intervention. Adam told his family and they were against it, so they may have told her too, but I don't know how she knew before that date, but she did and is why she had Alex there. I mean Adam was planning to stay with Alex, so they knew from that he was coming to town and is why Alex was there and wouldn't respond to Adam's contacts. The phone then confirmed it i guess and caused a big row and the subsequent shooting.

Did you read my post 8306 about Adam's testimony naming the guy who was advising him.

Meaning yes I read the post also.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I have to remind myself that prior to Charles being killed, no one had any idea that Alex or Lori would be capable of killing people. That thought didn’t even enter their mind.

I think i said the same today. It is hard to realize or recall that.

I think Charles was somewhat concerned. I mean he thought someone had been into his life insurance account. There is a thing or two like that but I think he was more concerned about JJ, Lori losing it, etc. and I doubt it was ever really thought she would get Alex and do something like this.

I was trying to think back. Did you watch or recall the body cam footage, it was outside somewhere I believe, female and a male cop I think, where he is trying to impress on them how out there she is with her beliefs, needs help, etc. I was trying to recall if he really expressed concern for his own safety. We have taken in so much through the years.

It seems to me he was more worried of course about the kids, JJ especially so, and Lori herself. If he even had thought of her trying to hurt him, he'd likely think he could handle it, etc. As to her and Alex, doubtful it ever crossed his mind but even then he probably didn't think he would be ambushed and killed, before that morning anyhow.

 

[Tresir]

See that's what I thought re Adam advising family but I'd have to relisten but wasn't what he said in testimony. He said he told no one. However, maybe it was one of those carefully worded questions. I always thought he did so and Summer advised Lori or someone, and the family wasn't willing to be in on it, etc., etc.

As far as the stake president, did he actually ever talk to him because yesterday he said that time he wasnt there at least. Had he been in contact prior? OR had Charles?

I've heard all this stuff over the yrs but felt yesterday at least with the jury, it would seem they told no one else. I had a busy day so maybe I missed something but I watched Adam's full testimony.

He told Alex FFS as he wanted to stay with him. So Alex went to stay with Lori as her protector and the rest we know.

 

[GrandmaBear]

She said it was Adam's photo but not Adam's name. So we don't know who it actually was because she never said what name was used or who it actually was. I didn't really see the point of what she was getting at really.

That's why i said it was probably Alex. It doesn't matter anyway.

She injected the correction during another time in the testimony. Imo she was trying to be sure her testimony was accurate was al, once she recalled that. No one followed it up and so it was never clarified for us.

 

[GrandmaBear]

So she didnt know Kay at the time of Charles' murder. She found out around December when it all hit the fan I guess.

You mean NJ right? Yeah that's what it sounds like. Kay doesn't live there. She wouldn't have known her imo. And the timing makes perfect sense to me, it is about the time this stuff was just hitting for all of us and believe me we had no idea what was coming, no one did. When the kids went missing or it was realized is when she even hit the radar at all. Then digging started I'd say from reporters, etc.

 

[GrandmaBear]

So is it likely Lori read that while she was looking at Charles' phone in the kitchen that morning or did she already know this from her mother and that is why she got Alex to stay the night before? Janis' testimony could be important.

She knew ahead in my very strong opinion.

Seems to me Summer may have even suggested she have Alex there, I can't recall. Some things come from family talking over the years. To be fair, I think Lori's family was used to having to side with her and I think she played Charles as the bad guy.

Been a long time since I've seen them but have you seen Janice and Summer interviews with cops? Protecting Lori quite clearly. Only later do things change some as I recall. I have went back and forth on those two. Dad they I think intentionally keep out of the picture. So much has been said about him by extended family members and such, and about the family overall...

 

[GrandmaBear]

He told Alex FFS as he wanted to stay with him. So Alex went to stay with Lori as her protector and the rest we know.

Yeah the way I recall it is the family knew, I think they avoided really going too close to that yesterday, and Lori knew. Of course her main reason was life insurance but Charles was causing her issues too.

Maybe the reason is as they can't touch on some things or perhaps keeping it more simple for the jury, no idea.

I though was always under the impression she knew or found out Charles and Adam were talking, and of course we know Charles had tried to talk to her family and they shut him out, etc. so of course they knew, generally for sure, they'd had LE incidents, both she and Charles in over it, it just never came up yesterday though, so the jury wouldn't know that...

 

[Kimster]

From what I recall in the past and what I saw watching Adam's testimony late last night, (it was all I had time to watch), I think Adam and Charles "thought" that they were going to surprise Lori, but somehow she was on to them in some way. Whether she knew it was an intervention? Don't know. But because Adam asked Alex to pick him up at the airport, etc. and Charles told Lori he was taking JJ to school, Lori probably knew "something was up", even if she wasn't told it was an intervention. She might have thought it was something even worse - something to cause problems between her and Chad. She already knew that Charles was aware there was an affair and had attempted to contact Tammy.

Things were moving fast for her at the time. Lori and Alex only had a short window of opportunity and they took it.

Here's another article about Adam's testimony:

Lori Vallow's brother says he had 'no doubt' she conspired to kill her fourth husband

Adam Cox also testified that his sister had been making strange religious comments about Charles Vallow before he was killed in 2019.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Kimster]

So she didnt know Kay at the time of Charles' murder. She found out around December when it all hit the fan I guess.

Exactly.

 

[Tresir]

See that's what I thought re Adam advising family but I'd have to relisten but wasn't what he said in testimony. He said he told no one. However, maybe it was one of those carefully worded questions. I always thought he did so and Summer advised Lori or someone, and the family wasn't willing to be in on it, etc., etc.

As far as the stake president, did he actually ever talk to him because yesterday he said that time he wasnt there at least. Had he been in contact prior? OR had Charles?

I've heard all this stuff over the yrs but felt yesterday at least with the jury, it would seem they told no one else. I had a busy day so maybe I missed something but I watched Adam's full testimony.

Well that was not strictly true - he had been getting advice about interventions from the stake president, according to his texts and testimony. And he stated his mother and Summer were against it.

 

[Kimster]

Well that was not strictly true - he had been getting advice about interventions from the stake president, according to his texts and testimony. And he stated his mother and Summer were against it.

Did they actually talk to the stake president, or just talk about taking a tape to him to see? I don't remember that they talked to him about it. Please correct me if I missed it.

10:55 a.m. Adam spoke with Charles about going to Lori’s and recording her on the phone. Charles and Adam talked about having a family dinner to play for the stake president. There are wards and 4-5 wards are in a stake and then there is a president of the stake, Adam says. It’s someone who is high up in the church.

10:54 a.m. Adam spoke with Charles about having an intervention. “Charles was desperate because nobody in our family would talk to him. I’m sure Lori had told people in our family not to talk to him, so he thought having an intervention would be getting in front of her, recording her, giving it to the stake president, and having him hear the crazy things he was saying.” The intervention was a way to get her back to the mainstream LDS beliefs. Charles asked Adam to help him.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Can she get a retrial based on ineffective council?

 

[Kimster]

Can she get a retrial based on ineffective council?

A question similar to this one was posed to Nate Eaton and he said the judge appears to have been very careful to ask Lori repeatedly and in different scenarios if she's comfortable moving forward. He's even given her some warnings when she's made blunders, like when Lori started to open a door to a question to Nancy Jo. Lori did end up backing off from the question.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Did they actually talk to the stake president, or just talk about taking a tape to him to see? I don't remember that they talked to him about it. Please correct me if I missed it.

10:55 a.m. Adam spoke with Charles about going to Lori’s and recording her on the phone. Charles and Adam talked about having a family dinner to play for the stake president. There are wards and 4-5 wards are in a stake and then there is a president of the stake, Adam says. It’s someone who is high up in the church.

10:54 a.m. Adam spoke with Charles about having an intervention. “Charles was desperate because nobody in our family would talk to him. I’m sure Lori had told people in our family not to talk to him, so he thought having an intervention would be getting in front of her, recording her, giving it to the stake president, and having him hear the crazy things he was saying.” The intervention was a way to get her back to the mainstream LDS beliefs. Charles asked Adam to help him.

I must have missed it too and I watched his testimony also.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well that was not strictly true - he had been getting advice about interventions from the stake president, according to his texts and testimony. And he stated his mother and Summer were against it.

Where do you get that he actually talked to the president? I may well have missed it. And specifically about the intervention. It sure wasn't in his testimony that I recall.

I don't want to confuse this on here but it is something I thought was the case over time but it sure did not come out in testimony as to his mom and Summer being against it.

I could have missed something but I was actually SURPRISED such wasn't the case is how I felt after he testified.

 

[Tresir]

Where do you get that he actually talked to the president? I may well have missed it. And specifically about the intervention. It sure wasn't in his testimony that I recall.

I don't want to confuse this on here but it is something I thought was the case over time but it sure did not come out in testimony as to his mom and Summer being against it.

I could have missed something but I was actually SURPRISED such wasn't the case is how I felt after he testified.

I will bring forward the testimony. They even talked about Nephi. Give us a minute.

 

[Kimster]

I will bring forward the testimony. They even talked about Nephi. Give us a minute.

Thanks! I want to see what else I might have glossed over.

 

[Tresir]

ABC15 article about Adam's testimony. The stake president's name is mentioned. I wonder if he will be called as a witness?

WATCH: Lori Daybell's brother Adam Cox was among those who testified Thursday

Thursday marked the fourth day of testimony in the Lori Daybell trial in Maricopa County. Daybell is accused of conspiring to kill her fourth husband, Charles Vallow, with the help of her brother.

www.abc15.com

Bringing this forward.

From the article -

Adam testified he had tried to talk to his family and Daybell about his concerns, but he was cut off. Vallow and Adam started trying to develop a plan for an intervention and possibly record Daybell. The hope, he said, was to take the recording to the leader within their religious community.

“I personally feel she’s too far gone,” said Vallow in a text to Adam. “It’s going to take us going to Holmes, or she won’t ever stop.”

Holmes was the last name of the stake president in their religious community.

Adam said that he had been texting Vallow the morning he was shot and killed, but he didn’t find out until two days later that his brother-in-law had died. The last message he sent to Vallow was marked as read on July 11, 2019, hours after police responded to the deadly shooting.

Daybell, during cross-examination, seemed to attempt to create separation between her relationship with Adam. One of her final questions included if Adam had heard or seen her or Alex conspire to kill Vallow. Adam said no.

On redirect, Adam said he told his family he believed Alex and Daybell had planned to kill Vallow. At one point, he even said there was “no doubt in my mind."

 

[Tresir]

She knew ahead in my very strong opinion.

Seems to me Summer may have even suggested she have Alex there, I can't recall. Some things come from family talking over the years. To be fair, I think Lori's family was used to having to side with her and I think she played Charles as the bad guy.

Been a long time since I've seen them but have you seen Janice and Summer interviews with cops? Protecting Lori quite clearly. Only later do things change some as I recall. I have went back and forth on those two. Dad they I think intentionally keep out of the picture. So much has been said about him by extended family members and such, and about the family overall...

No i haven't seen them. I will wait to hear their testimonies under oath.