JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events

• April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
• December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
• February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
• February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
• June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
• July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
• August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
• September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
• September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
• September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
• September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
• October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
• October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
• October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
• October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
• Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
• November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
• November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
• December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
• December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
• December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
• January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
• January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

The latest timeline in the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell cases - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

www.eastidahonews.com

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[Tresir]

Oh dear, I hope that’s not what the jury thinks.

I’ve heard this scenario many many times because I used to watch Adam on the vlog. What happened is that when Adam came into town, he was supposed to stay at Alex’s house. Charles and Adam didn’t understand how Alex was in the midst of it. Alex would not answer Adam phone calls when Adam got there, so Adam contacted his parents and he was allowed to stay over there because his son Zac was there. The plan was that after Charles took JJ to school, they (Charles and Adam) were going to somehow try to do an intervention with Lori .

Yes that is correct but why didn't Adam plan to stay with Charles instead and go with him to pick JJ up. The planning of an "intervention" seems to have been a badly thought out plan and trying to remove her temple access too when they knew she went there so often. She must have learnt about it by reading Charles' texts when he left his phone on the kitchen worktop. I mean she is an exalted being and very difficult to outsmart by regular joes.

 

[Tresir]

See? I think this is very damning because why would Alex be expecting Adam to stay at his place and then just ignore him when he got there?

Because Alex is in on it with Lori and does her bidding, no questions asked. The jury is not going to get this if even Adam and Charles didn't - and they knew Lori better than anyone. Charles was at his wits end trying to even get LE to listen to him. You can't reason or intervene with evil.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Oh dear, I hope that’s not what the jury thinks.

I’ve heard this scenario many many times because I used to watch Adam on the vlog. What happened is that when Adam came into town, he was supposed to stay at Alex’s house. Charles and Adam didn’t understand how Alex was in the midst of it. Alex would not answer Adam phone calls when Adam got there, so Adam contacted his parents and he was allowed to stay over there because his son Zac was there. The plan was that after Charles took JJ to school, they (Charles and Adam) were going to somehow try to do an intervention with Lori .

Before trial even started, I saw people in a chat or two Adam of failing Charles. I think what was meant was that he told his family about the intervention, etc. and that they in turn told Lori. I think I heard this some years back too in an interview maybe even but can't swear to it. Today he denied ever telling anyone but I think a few things were skirted. She knew from someone Charles and Adam were talking too. I try not to judge it because he was siding with a BIL against family and I'm sure that was hard, IF he wasn't just even not really on his side to begin with, one just has to wonder. He said on the stand today his mom, dad, and Summer I think were NOT on the side of Charles or some such but I've always known that... I mea

He also stayed at Summer's house but she was allegedly gone.

I don't know, I mean Adam did go against the family even taking Zac back home with him, that much seems true.

I tend to think that Adam did share things or at least with someone else that didn't stay quiet because Lori knew what was going on. I think she wanted Charles phone badly because of the conversations on it re Adam and Charles about her and her behavior. Maybe because of the dating too, hard to say, but I think the main purpose was to see what Charles was telling others about her and who he was telling at least.

I just watched Colby's show after Nate's lol. I also caught up with all testimony with the trial feed first. Colby said his mother barely cooked and her green chicken enchiladas were not anything special. NOT ONE bit surprised is anyone else lol?

He "seems" to have hit a point today of maybe getting a bit further as to her out of his life.

He said he had a hard time not laughing out loud when the judge said if something about to the extent of comparing herself to biblical figures if she wanted to, he'd allow it (after an objection). I didn't word that verbatim but did anyone else catch that if they were watching the actual trial today.It was with a straight face totally and i don't think he meant to insinuate anything but I found the very same humor in it when i watched it as being said lol.

He talked of the pain to all and how many there and things like that.

He also caught and is not sure the cameras did, I know I never noticed, his mom doing like a quick gun thing with her fingers towards Adam kind of blending it in with hand movements, etc. He was unsure if others caught it either but he said he saw her do such. He kind of showed how in his show.

His show wasn't all that long, around 1/2 hour i think and kind of processing it, said he is exhausted, but had some good things in it. Found it worth it.

Nate's I usually find worth it but tonight he really didn't have anything watching the trial hadn't already shown me but I did watch it. Even if I've seen the trial generally I get something out of it, maybe it is just me. I was going to link both but if anyone doesn't know how to find and want them, they can ask and I will go get them. Had a day here too.

There were ten uninterrupted seconds Lori and Colby made eye contact and she sort of smiled at him. He says she isn't his mother he realized today and it had little effect on him for once. Supposedly.

Kay got a couple of remarks in at Lori. And Colby said she had every right to feel that way and do that.

OH and he said Lori's hands others told him too were actually shaking when she faced Kay. That's interesting from Miss Confident. I'm not surprised though really because weak people, and I think she truly is one, have trouble with strong people, and I believe Kay is one. What i mean I hope most know is strength of character, morals, standing up for others and so on.

I guess giving some highlights of what i noted from today all in one post as was gone, etc.

Nate and Colby both expected she would be the worst on Kay, I expected the same, I think most did but she quit fairly darned quickly...

Personally, I think she MIGHT be trying to show the jury some of the time she is a nice person, a family person, makes enchiladas, did not go hard at her SIL but then she goes hard at the friends.... I have to admit it is a bit interesting to try to figure it out. I think because she "led" them she feels stronger than they and is trying to intimidate them maybe but with Kay she kind of laid down as Kay is stronger....? Maybe also it is hitting a point where not so prepared or she didn't get through discovery? Not sure... She went at was it Serena probably the longest to date other than Charles' date.

Does anyone know what happened on the fingerprint expert? I listened to her with the P for a long time and then she was approached with what seemed to be an evidence bag and then it cut out. By the time it was back, Kay was coming on.

It could be Court TV camera again, but no idea and Nate never mentioned it.

I was surprised Lori never questioned the cell phone LE guy either. I mean cell phones and extraction and only getting a report was one thing she was making a big issue of before trial and right up to trial.

I know I put a variety of things and thoughts in this post but to stay caught up, is why. i am caught up on the trial, and two shows after it. Need to look at posts yet but almost midnight. Going to see how many it appears I missed and then decide if tonight or hopefully over the next few days and maybe go off for something lighter before going to bed.

Nate or a viewer, I think it was him, did give one very good contradiction Lori has shown already, I know what it is, but not coming to me right now... Something about she said she knows they go free, she has been shown that, but she made some other remark about how she won't be going free anyhow.... AT different times but in this trial, etc. It was a good catch...

Anyhow tired but tried to hit what I noticed in today's or the main points and from watching both shows.

Also I've seen all of the trial so far although had to play catch up today big time and know all can't, and I've been in that same boat. Can't cover all of course, but hitting some of the things that stood out, for others if they want to go seek such and have to pick and choose.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Because Alex is in on it with Lori and does her bidding, no questions asked. The jury is not going to get this if even Adam and Charles didn't - and they knew Lori better than anyone. Charles was at his wits end trying to even get LE to listen to him. You can't reason or intervene with evil.

It is far from done, I think it will come together and things will get wrapped together. There are all of the texts yet, and so on. I know if I was a juror, I'd be able to guess some things are not being said. And there have been hints of some things, for instance the fire guy mentioned ID. Just an example that if jurors are paying attn, they know there is more.

 

[Tresir]

It is far from done, I think it will come together and things will get wrapped together. There are all of the texts yet, and so on. I know if I was a juror, I'd be able to guess some things are not being said. And there have been hints of some things, for instance the fire guy mentioned ID. Just an example that if jurors are paying attn, they know there is more.

Yes but they can't google it or try and find out. Your post 8303 was very interesting regarding things Colby noticed and said. Eg being compared to a historical person was it? Yesterday, I actually googled " be like Nephi" and found out what that actually meant. That's who she believes she is like.

The other thing I am wondering and you mentioning maybe somebody blabbing or Adam telling someone about the planned intervention. Adam mentioned he and Zac played sport with someone high up from the church (the stake president) and he went and did that on the day Charles was shot and was getting advice from him, but the person didn't show that day. Perhaps that person was telling Lori what to do, as she was at the temple five times a week apparently. I really think there is a whole lot more in this that will never come out. You won't see anyone from the church being called, I bet.

TBH, if she is convicted or not, it is not going to make any difference to her sentence, as she is already in for life. This is a distraction from prison time for her and she gets her side across, as much as she is prepared to show, that is. She may well look into lawyer school in prison, as you suggested, and she still has the Brandon trial yet too.

 

[Tresir]

ABC15 article about Adam's testimony. The stake president's name is mentioned. I wonder if he will be called as a witness?

WATCH: Lori Daybell's brother Adam Cox was among those who testified Thursday

Thursday marked the fourth day of testimony in the Lori Daybell trial in Maricopa County. Daybell is accused of conspiring to kill her fourth husband, Charles Vallow, with the help of her brother.

www.abc15.com

 

[Tresir]

This is Lori's witness list. We know Nate was struck as a witness but here is the original list. I will try and find the P list.

Note that page 1 shows what her defence is going to be.

 

[RoundPeg]

Y'all are my lifeline to this trial. Excellent postings!

 

[Tresir]

Y'all are my lifeline to this trial. Excellent postings!

YVW. Still looking for P list. Wondering how many more to go.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yes that is correct but why didn't Adam plan to stay with Charles instead and go with him to pick JJ up. The planning of an "intervention" seems to have been a badly thought out plan and trying to remove her temple accIness too when they knew she went there so often. She must have learnt about it by reading Charles' texts when he left his phone on the kitchen worktop. I mean she is an exalted being and very difficult to outsmart by regular joes.

In hindsight he probably wishes he had. I've watched him too and heard him on he and the uncle's channel. I'm not convinced of all necessarily but we know now Charles had a date. That Adam maybe didn't get to see Zac often. While there were things concerning very much, I don't know that they thought there'd be a murder plot. Charles had a motel room. Even when family dynamics are not perfect, Zac was at his mom and dad's. I don't think there was a "perfect" refined plan.

Lori already knew Charles was trying to do something about it, just from even LE, with Chandler before this even happened. He tried to get her a mental eval, there is body cam of him talking to officers trying to explain what he was going through with her outside somewhere a

t a different time. I mean even if something leaked somehow from Adam through family or some other way, she wasn't clueless to Charles wanting to like get her help, etc. or knowing about Chad and so on.

I'm a bit lost about you thinking it was the phone. That was the day of. This murder was in the works before they ever saw that phone imo.

There are the texts between Charles and Lori and those I believe are somewhat new or some of them are to us.

I'm' kind of torn on the intervention and how known, but I don't think it was a thought out plan Adam was hoping also to talk to the church guy at basketball. I think Charles still alternated between hope too.

You know at this point no one else had been killed and no reason to think they would kill.

I think it was more thought she was going off the deep end than she, much less with Alex, would do such a thing. There was a lot unknown probably even to all the family. I'd hope anyhow.

I do wonder about a few things but there is a lot out there to fill in the pic, and I still do with a couple of things, but they as far as I know wouldn't have had any real reason to worry about her murdering. Charles had contacted chandler and such but it really was more for concern for HER. In hindsight all say and self included at times if ONLY they had done something then but even Kay said for how long Charles wasn't telling her what was going on.

Imo the plan to ambush him was in place before they ever got his phone. She knew he knew about Chad, etc., etc., and so on.

I typed this last night but I guess never posted it.

 

[RoundPeg]

YVW. Still looking for P list. Wondering how many more to go.

Try this.

 

[Tresir]

Try this.

Thanks for that. Looks like nothing on today. I haven't found anything yet anyway.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yes but they can't google it or try and find out. Your post 8303 was very interesting regarding things Colby noticed and said. Eg being compared to a historical person was it? Yesterday, I actually googled " be like Nephi" and found out what that actually meant. That's who she believes she is like.

The other thing I am wondering and you mentioning maybe somebody blabbing or Adam telling someone about the planned intervention. Adam mentioned he and Zac played sport with someone high up from the church (the stake president) and he went and did that on the day Charles was shot and was getting advice from him, but the person didn't show that day. Perhaps that person was telling Lori what to do, as she was at the temple five times a week apparently. I really think there is a whole lot more in this that will never come out. You won't see anyone from the church being called, I bet.

TBH, if she is convicted or not, it is not going to make any difference to her sentence, as she is already in for life. This is a distraction from prison time for her and she gets her side across, as much as she is prepared to show, that is. She may well look into lawyer school in prison, as you suggested, and she still has the Brandon trial yet too.

Comparing herself to biblical figures it was.

Yeah he apparently never connected with the stake president, at least not that night. He didn't live there so it is doubtful he did any other time either.

It does get Lori out of jail for the day, she gets to try to show her side, gets attention, gets to confront people, not real sure her overall reasoning but it won't change her other sentence as you said. I do think if she truly believes or has hope she will ever get out, the less various convictions, the better to unravel and have to fix but more likely it is just the attn and showing her side.

I'm glad you enjoyed the post. I worry when I do that lol, make a mixed post but it was a long day and I had just come off watching three things after getting home--the rest of the day of the trial, Nate, and Colby so while thoughts of the day were in my head fresh I just tried to put them down and was beyond doing all individually really. I mean it was all about the case but I just put all thoughts in one post.

Larry (Kay's husband) and a juror from the last trial are going to be on Nate's show tonight for anyone interested. He said he may bring in some others too, unsure on whether he will.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Y'all are my lifeline to this trial. Excellent postings!

Are you done with your week or more to go

I know at times I've had to live by the tweets, reading posts, and if can squeeze in a recap to keep up on a trial. For sure. I definitely get it. In fact I may have to again with this one at times depending on how long it goes. So far, for this week, I have seen it all though.

Lol if there was one trial i guess I'd like to not miss it is this one for the sheer reason of watching her represent herself. I mean my main reason always is for the victims and because I've followed throughout and there is nothing that can quite compare to watching the real trial as things do get missed in those trying to cover but this one has an added "bonus" I guess. I hate to call her a bonus but I just mean it makes for a different watch I guess. And honestly, it has been pretty educational like seeing what she finds out she can and can't say re the law and so on and things like that. I notice she is being good now about putting names in her questions and the other day she wasn't being allowed certain questions but of course judge can't advise her and I do think that was part of the issue. I wouldn't have known that one before. Still not sure that was all of it but it seemed to be around the form of the question.

Of course, also is seeing her in action... As it comes. I'm about the victim always, and justice, but honestly watching her kind of makes me think of the victims even more as one sees who they were dealing with or gets a glimpse of it. It is totally different in that way. We usually never hear from a defendant generally.... Here we are seeing how one thinks or seems to even if not on the witness stand lol. Best way I can explain it.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Thanks for that. Looks like nothing on today. I haven't found anything yet anyway.

No trial today. Nate has a show tonight that might be worthwhile but in the wee hours probably for you.

I was thinking yesterday that we will see LE or someone from LE called back up as they do sometimes. You know how they will have them up initially to cover all the bases or most, then others testify and then they bring them back or finish with them. Well now the cell phone guy and fingerprint person have testified and it just made me think after they lay a lot of other stuff, they will bring LE back up imo after all has been laid and to wrap maybe too. Or maybe even in between.

 

[Tresir]

In hindsight he probably wishes he had. I've watched him too and heard him on he and the uncle's channel. I'm not convinced of all necessarily but we know now Charles had a date. That Adam maybe didn't get to see Zac often. While there were things concerning very much, I don't know that they thought there'd be a murder plot. Charles had a motel room. Even when family dynamics are not perfect, Zac was at his mom and dad's. I don't think there was a "perfect" refined plan.

Lori already knew Charles was trying to do something about it, just from even LE, with Chandler before this even happened. He tried to get her a mental eval, there is body cam of him talking to officers trying to explain what he was going through with her outside somewhere a

t a different time. I mean even if something leaked somehow from Adam through family or some other way, she wasn't clueless to Charles wanting to like get her help, etc. or knowing about Chad and so on.

I'm a bit lost about you thinking it was the phone. That was the day of. This murder was in the works before they ever saw that phone imo.

There are the texts between Charles and Lori and those I believe are somewhat new or some of them are to us.

I'm' kind of torn on the intervention and how known, but I don't think it was a thought out plan Adam was hoping also to talk to the church guy at basketball. I think Charles still alternated between hope too.

You know at this point no one else had been killed and no reason to think they would kill.

I think it was more thought she was going off the deep end than she, much less with Alex, would do such a thing. There was a lot unknown probably even to all the family. I'd hope anyhow.

I do wonder about a few things but there is a lot out there to fill in the pic, and I still do with a couple of things, but they as far as I know wouldn't have had any real reason to worry about her murdering. Charles had contacted chandler and such but it really was more for concern for HER. In hindsight all say and self included at times if ONLY they had done something then but even Kay said for how long Charles wasn't telling her what was going on.

Imo the plan to ambush him was in place before they ever got his phone. She knew he knew about Chad, etc., etc., and so on.

I typed this last night but I guess never posted it.

The phone confirmed it. They already knew Charles and Adam were planning an intervention. Adam told his family and they were against it, so they may have told her too, but I don't know how she knew before that date, but she did and is why she had Alex there. I mean Adam was planning to stay with Alex, so they knew from that he was coming to town and is why Alex was there and wouldn't respond to Adam's contacts. The phone then confirmed it i guess and caused a big row and the subsequent shooting.

Did you read my post 8306 about Adam's testimony naming the guy who was advising him.

 

[Kimster]

I have to remind myself that prior to Charles being killed, no one had any idea that Alex or Lori would be capable of killing people. That thought didn’t even enter their mind.

 

[Tresir]

Okay. I just don't know where that led to it being Alex? Unless I'm slow, I never thought that at all.

She said it was Adam's photo but not Adam's name. So we don't know who it actually was because she never said what name was used or who it actually was. I didn't really see the point of what she was getting at really.

That's why i said it was probably Alex. It doesn't matter anyway.

 

[Tresir]

She didn't know Charles was dead for quite some time.

I also think she and Kay talked about more than came out more than likely, just as she and Charles likely did. I'm sure Lori wanted to go there but they are all walking a minefield of IF that door is opened... She wasn't going to tell Lori what else was talked about unless she had to imo. I didn't find her iffy at all, she was careful at times.

So she didnt know Kay at the time of Charles' murder. She found out around December when it all hit the fan I guess.

 

[Tresir]

Oh dear, I hope that’s not what the jury thinks.

I’ve heard this scenario many many times because I used to watch Adam on the vlog. What happened is that when Adam came into town, he was supposed to stay at Alex’s house. Charles and Adam didn’t understand how Alex was in the midst of it. Alex would not answer Adam phone calls when Adam got there, so Adam contacted his parents and he was allowed to stay over there because his son Zac was there. The plan was that after Charles took JJ to school, they (Charles and Adam) were going to somehow try to do an intervention with Lori .

So is it likely Lori read that while she was looking at Charles' phone in the kitchen that morning or did she already know this from her mother and that is why she got Alex to stay the night before? Janis' testimony could be important.