JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events

• April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
• December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
• February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
• February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
• June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
• July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
• August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
• September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
• September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
• September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
• September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
• October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
• October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
• October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
• October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
• Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
• November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
• November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
• December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
• December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
• December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
• January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
• January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

The latest timeline in the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell cases - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

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[Kimster]

Self defense doesn't mean shooting a person again after they've hit the floor.

 

[Tresir]

The P has no one left on their list but professionals/LE. Who knows if Lori would have her and Lori isn't going to want to bring up the pool party. It wouldn't be to her benefit.

She is on Lori's witness list.

 

[Kimster]

That wouldn't mean much to me as a juror. Who took it out versus who knew about it and wanted it are two different things. She was upset plus lied sort of like she was raising five kids, went for it, said to Chad she'd still get the social security, defrauded them.

Also it wouldn't be unusual for a hub and wife to decide on life insurance or the wife to urge it even. That's how it was with us. We discussed how much (he dropped it later without telling me) that would at least pay the bills off if anything happened to either of us, plus one has to be able to afford the monthly premium (ours was that way anyhow).

She knew he couldn't get as much as her due to what was it, some kind of physical thing? So clearly she was up on it and part of it. Also, someone tried to hack into his account although I'm unsure if the jury has heard that in so many words...

True. Her comments after Charles' death are VERY telling.

 

[Kimster]

Yeah, and I don't think they have. I may have missed a few moments. I usually go back and watch but feed glitches, I haven't, but pretty sure that's never been said. I did hear the landlord and he was telling a cop about the pool party so perhaps it will come out with these last LE officers on the stand. I am getting confused on hearsay, usually I know. I THINK a cop can say what someone told them right? I am well aware of it generally but a big deal has been made in this case and as to what is relevant too. They SHOULD know, I mean that's seeming like a celebration... At first I thought they should have the landlord but then realized all he had was hearsay from the neighbors. THAT I know is hearsay.

Are you betting she puts on some defense or not? And takes the stand or not?

I'm not sure. It didn't work for her the first time, so...............

 

[Kimster]

Maybe Summer will be crossed on it? She was supposed to be there right? They will just say it was for JJ as a distraction, when really they were celebrating thinking they had their hands on 2 million dollars.

Summer isn't testifying for the State. If she is on the stand for Lori, Lori would need to bring it up.

 

[Tresir]

What do the car keys have to do with the wallet and hotel key card? You lost me there.

Yes, the SS has been mentioned and an SS guy was on the stand about FRAUD. They can talk about the SS because she wanted it and got it after Charles died, nothing to do with the kids dying. The jury knows about this. Two jurors were even questioned as they were overheard talking of SS. She did NOT notify them when she remarried and kept collecting fraudulently, etc., etc. If I recall there was even a juror question or few of that witness. So yes, there's' been a lot on it, not about the kids being dead though. She (Lori) tried to defuse it saying or trying to that they did it wrong, mother and child benefit and child benefit or some such and half claimed she went into an SS office in Hawaii which is an outright lie I'm sure and asking him if he would know about that or if they screwed up. There was a lot on SS.

She obviously needed the car keys to drive the car and the hotel key card and wallet to get his credit card and use the key card to get his belongings from the hotel.

 

[Tresir]

Summer isn't testifying for the State. If she is on the stand for Lori, Lori would need to bring it up.

What if Summer brings it up? Like P could ask when did you last visit Lori in Az?

 

[Kimster]

Yet another alias? Karen Walker?

 

[Kimster]

What if Summer brings it up? Like P could ask when did you last visit Lori in Az?

It depends on the context or if Lori is wise enough to state that comment needs to be stricken due to relevance.

 

[Kimster]

Okay, I know about these emails, but don't remember the Karen Walker part.

 

[GrandmaBear]

She is basically insane. And changes like a chameleon. The details about Chad and the killing of Tylee, JJ and Tammy are too prejudicial to be allowed in but that is all part of the motive and conspiracy, so it wont make sense without all that in the evidence. I don't know if they will bring in the life insurance as motive, which they would be free to do, but they haven't really made a big point about that IMO but perhaps they will in the summing up. I mean that should have come up as part of Kay's testimony but I don't remember if it did. I will have to go back and reread.

Because they didn't get Charles life insurance, they went to plan B, Tammy. So I am surprised that hasn't even come up, but again, too prejudicial but it is all linked.

They relate which is why I think it perhaps could have been let in, partially anyhow.

They've touched on life insurance and SS a fair amount.

The life insurance came up in Kay's testimony and Nancy Jo's as well.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Am I the only one who is questioning the lack of blood at the scene? Wouldn't there have been blood splatter from the first shot - at least??????

Yeah, interesting isn't it.

 

[Kimster]

Yeah, interesting isn't it.

Well, due to the timeline, it's obvious Alex had time to clean up. But where did he put the bloody towels?

 

[Tresir]

I thought so but it seems they were investigating with things being heard now. They did get the phone, etc. Didn't think things added up and wanted to see if they could get a case on her. Who knokws.

They are separated and seeing others, they have a heated relationship, not getting along, he ends up dead not planned and the first thing she worries about are his business contacts and appts.? Are you talking about LE buying it or jurors?

I'm just answering your question as to why she wanted his key card and wallet. It's obvious to me. Her brother did the same thing with their sister Stacy.

 

[Kimster]

 

[Tresir]

Well, due to the timeline, it's obvious Alex had time to clean up. But where did he put the bloody towels?

The guy explained on the stand early on why there wasn't much blood. Will find it.

Here it is. The blood spilled into the chest cavity.

Post 8554

11:01 a.m. Jury questions: Was there signigicant amount of blood in the left lung? Baumgarner says not the left lung but the chest cavitiy. Does that suggest the heart was still beating during the second shot? Baumgarner says the heart could have been beating, but it’s also possible the blood spilled into the left cavity from the heart. Was there blood in the throat or mouth? There was not. No other questions.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Self defense doesn't mean shooting a person again after they've hit the floor.

It also doesn't mean as I've said for years on end going to your room without interference to get your gun. You have at that moment the chance to leave. Just like the others had. You are going back with intent when no one is doing anything to you.

 

[GrandmaBear]

She is on Lori's witness list.

Yes but who knows where that stands. She never managed to serve her dad. Maybe Summer will comply. But again it is not in Lori's interest to talk of a pool party that very afternoon/evening.

 

[GrandmaBear]

True. Her comments after Charles' death are VERY telling.

Exactly.

 

[GrandmaBear]

What if Summer brings it up? Like P could ask when did you last visit Lori in Az?

P has to stay in the scope that Lori does, just like vice versa goes on now. They can't introduce new subjects on cross.