Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *MISTRIAL*

This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 

[Cousin Dupree]

I am asking you to tell me of body cams if any and recorded videos of interviews if any, etc. Are there any? I am asking you to take a middle of the road unbiased stance and tell me, if even known if such exists? From what I've always understood initially she took full responsibility UNTIL finding they were going to charge her in a serious way and more. I was just watching something on Morphew a case I know from back to front and over again and was reminded of some things that have been scrubbed or disappeared that we saw in the beginning... It was a reminder and eye opening of how the story and narrative can change and even WE who think we know it so well can forget...

Am I wrong here? She thought she did it, admitted it and was over the top distressed she did it.

Nothing has been brought forward yet.

 

[kdg411]

Will she take the stand do you think? I somehow doubt it not that she is required to of course.

I watched some of it yesterday just for a bit and soon got bored with it. I wondered why YT seems to be pretty quiet with it and here as well and then I realized it was probably because it is the State's show right now and not some one sided defense blitz that so many have gotten completely on board with. No offense but it is the way I see it. Maybe my mind will get changed however nothing is being shared of the evidence thus far and I don't have time to watch it all. By a long shot. I saw some of Daybell as well and then promptly fell asleep in the middle of the afternoon on my first day off I feel in forever. So wiped from the week. Now of course I am up and my schedule is entirely messed up.

Anyhow so all are lying? Is there not a single recording or BODYCAM of anything? Dumb puter capitalized that, not me. Does such with entirely random words.

There is no bodycam recordings from the scene that have been admitted into evidence.

Regarding her testifying, she doesn't need to.

Only 3 days of testimony and IMO the defense has already impeached the first responders. And we haven't even reached Proctor, Higgins or J. McCabe.

Erin McLoughlin is best friends with the homeowners daughter & if that isn't bias I don't know what is. She is an EMT/firefighter who was also on scene that morning.

 

[GrandmaBear]

There is no bodycam recordings from the scene that have been admitted into evidence.

Regarding her testifying, she doesn't need to.

Only 3 days of testimony and IMO the defense has already impeached the first responders. And we haven't even reached Proctor, Higgins or J. McCabe.

Erin McLoughlin is best friends with the homeowners daughter & if that isn't bias I don't know what is. She is an EMT/firefighter who was also on scene that morning.

Do any exist or just have not been admitted in? Cuz said how funny or odd it is that so many say she said she did it but it made it into no one's reports so I am seriously asking if any recording exist with such on them? Neither his response nor yours seem to be a "no" but not admitted into evidence.

Of course she does not need to testify but it certainly is also an option she has.

I am not emotionally invested in this one and understand that you both are. I watched some testimony yesterday, not for a long time but a half hour or so maybe. I watched the chat. While many which is actually a bit scary have bought one side fully with the defense PR blizzard (sorry that's how I see it) there were also quite a few in it between probably the paid trolls with one mission that feel as I do.

Whatever happens here, has she learned anything and have any of the corrupt learned anything? Which again I do buy there are some power abusing here, I just don't know that I buy they framed her and that some brawl happened, a dog attacked during it and then he was dumped outside with her luckily available and out that night with him dropping him off instead of attending and easy to frame. That's just the basics and that's a LOT to buy.

I'm not emotionally invested, and I don't think I have a lot of bias and yet I do. I don't like a single player from that night in this case, including her, and sadly the victim much either.

To be fair for all I have watched on it, plenty, I don't know it inside and out like you do. Not sure about the Erin thing. Karen is or was a cop's gf and a firefighter EMT was there that knows or was friends with the homeowner. Is that necessarily odd? I could tell you about our case and who responded in a small town of a few hundred if that from the volunteer FD/EMTs. Even his DAD and HE were on it as was my BIL. The judge went to these same SMALL town church with he and his family and never recused himself. I could go on. Of course they respond to and know people in cases. That isn't an automatic bias or need to recuse.

The whole FBI thing recently posted in the last week probably bothers me more than anything. i'm sure it is not new but it stood out to me when I think you posted it? Now on one hand that could be hugely impactful but on the other hand it was like WTH? At first it hit but in the end it left me with this is hugely political and they are taking one case no more important than any other...

I don't know. Not sure what it is but they all leave me with a major distaste/bad taste in my mouth. Sorry but her as well.

I wish I had the time to watch it all. Or even read all tweets if shared but I don't. I try to read all of Daybell's but even then seeing the testimony shows a whole lot more than what is in the well covered tweets of every moment.

Pretty quiet actually on it out there from what I see and here. Is that because the STate's side is up do you think? Is every single witness for the state corrupt? Seriously asking?

I think this entire bunch that night including Karen Read and the victim think or thought selves above the general public. I think that's my bias or problem with it. Elite, get a free pass drinking and driving, even publicly. It's all great until something happens like happened here and THEN when it cannot be shoved under the rug, and correct charges have to be leveled, all these fun loving drinking immune buddies turn on one another or have to do their job or decide where they will land. I see her remark about who is in on the joke thing really interesting.

While I don't want to see anyone wrongly convicted, this case doesn't do it for me. I'm sorry but I just don't see an innocent who was wrongly murdered by an evil POS. I feel I see it as what it is. Maybe I'm wrong. I've seen things, rare with all the defense blizzard but that they have a LOT of solid evidence not yet seen and just wait for the trial. Well trial has started and her supporters seem pretty quiet, is this because the State is up?

I am not trying to be contrary so much as trying to talk out myself what I think here. And see. It is my waking hour. Haven't seen the sun in days and it was so light out when I awoke I figured it was 10 a.m. and I panicked thinking I'd lost a large part of a day off. But it wasn't even 7 a.m. Less than an hour later coffee is starting to hit. Oh boy... So maybe I will be back with more. Maybe not. Trying to find out why my CPA told me my tax refund, small, would be a hundred more than it was and what's wrong there, trying to actually list with a realtor I thought a good one who has not responded and more. Grocery delivery coming I need to be dressed for. So I may or may not be back. Laundry to do. Etc. And then back to the grind with a very messed up schedule this week.

 

[Regina]

Will she take the stand do you think? I somehow doubt it not that she is required to of course.

I watched some of it yesterday just for a bit and soon got bored with it. I wondered why YT seems to be pretty quiet with it and here as well and then I realized it was probably because it is the State's show right now and not some one sided defense blitz that so many have gotten completely on board with. No offense but it is the way I see it. Maybe my mind will get changed however nothing is being shared of the evidence thus far and I don't have time to watch it all. By a long shot. I saw some of Daybell as well and then promptly fell asleep in the middle of the afternoon on my first day off I feel in forever. So wiped from the week. Now of course I am up and my schedule is entirely messed up.

Anyhow so all are lying? Is there not a single recording or BODYCAM of anything? Dumb puter capitalized that, not me. Does such with entirely random words.

My impression of witnesses so far is that they've all testified truthfully.

Re bodycams, there's been dashcam video of the first responder's as they arrived and were on scene but since it was dark and snowy at the time (6 am), visibility's fairly lousy.

 

[kdg411]

Do any exist or just have not been admitted in? Cuz said how funny or odd it is that so many say she said she did it but it made it into no one's reports so I am seriously asking if any recording exist with such on them? Neither his response nor yours seem to be a "no" but not admitted into evidence.

None exist.

 

[kdg411]

My impression of witnesses so far is that they've all testified truthfully.

Re bodycams, there's been dashcam video of the first responder's as they arrived and were on scene but since it was dark and snowy at the time (6 am), visibility's fairly lousy.

The quality of the video is (was) horrible. However, the defense did capture J McCabe running into her sisters house.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

None exist.

Oh, they exist. They're mysteriously gone for some reason, I'd imagine. I wonder if the defense has seen them or was told they don't exist?

 

[kdg411]

Oh, they exist. They're mysteriously gone for some reason, I'd imagine. I wonder if the defense has seen them or was told they don't exist?

Oh like the phone that they took the crime scene photo's just disappearing?

 

[Guess Who]

Oh like the phone that they took the crime scene photo's just disappearing?

And that "coincidental" search for how long it takes to die in the cold that wasn't made by KR

 

[GrandmaBear]

The quality of the video is (was) horrible. However, the defense did capture J McCabe running into her sisters house.

So two posts in a row here. none exist or they do but quality of video was horrible?

 

[Guess Who]

So two posts in a row here. none exist or they do but quality of video was horrible?

video on the dash cam. No body cam video supposedly

 

[GrandmaBear]

Oh, they exist. They're mysteriously gone for some reason, I'd imagine. I wonder if the defense has seen them or was told they don't exist?

Okay come on already. One says they don't exist. You say oh they sure do.... How is it I can come over to your side seriously when these are the responses? What is the truth and do you even know since again this case has not been tried and all comes from what defense put out there?

I am asking. I am listening. However getting contrary answers from the two convinced she is framed and innocent. I know bias when I see it as I have it in a lot of other cases or when selective responses come.

So they DO exist but are gone but kdg says they don't. It's like the not in evidence so far remark.

Love ya both but reading between the lines is giving me a headache.

And not sure why no one is sharing the trial thus far. or any details. AGain I am guessing it is because it is the State that is up.

to all.

Just asking what I feel are legit questions and getting varying answers.

 

[kdg411]

So two posts in a row here. none exist or they do but quality of video was horrible?

Dash cam video was horrible. No body cam video was entered into evidence.

 

[GrandmaBear]

My impression of witnesses so far is that they've all testified truthfully.

Re bodycams, there's been dashcam video of the first responder's as they arrived and were on scene but since it was dark and snowy at the time (6 am), visibility's fairly lousy.

So you are watching all? Thanks for the info.

 

[GrandmaBear]

None exist.

Oh, they exist. They're mysteriously gone for some reason, I'd imagine. I wonder if the defense has seen them or was told they don't exist?

Just to show my confusion.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Oh like the phone that they took the crime scene photo's just disappearing?

Okay despite watching a lot of Melanie Little's and STS and more, I am just going to admit I guess I am at a point right now in life that I was not on this one from the beginning, Morphew is more my well known and pet case and clearly you two are. I've seen and heard a LOT but still dont' see that she didn't hit him. And I used to think unintentionally until hearing more on that not long ago. Had they taken a BAC I guess they could just send her away but they didn't. Again, I don't like any of this bunch. Including her. Including the victim, sorry, I wish death on no one. Cheating drinking cop. All drinking and driving. Etc. Out drinking and flaunting it in front of those they'd arrest in a split second. Do I have this wrong?

With that, and a bit stressed I now step back and can find a laugh. I have the very strong opinion in Morphew that you two have here. So I get it I guess but that isn't from a defense blizzard.

I used to fight for fair and justice but do you know what, in this one, just let it all go like they do with anyone of note. Until they turn on each other. What a sheer waste. The corrupt whether taken down or not will still go on. The girlfriends and cops or vice versa will continue to drink and drive and be immune. Until something happens...

I said I am trying to figure out by talking my thoughts here and that's as close as it gets. I don't like the case and I don't like the people including her. The bit I watched for 1/2 hour to an hour yesterday and watching her I still don't.

I care if someone is railroaded. I truly do. I care if someone is innocent. I truly do. I know there is corruption big time in this country and courts. I truly do. I have lived it. I have seen it. I have seen the good ol' boys sh*t. But I guess this case is about the privileged or those that felt they were part of it and were immune including her and I don't really have it in me I guess compared to truly innocent victims and perps.

I DO get invested in cases with adults. Morphew would be an example. Suzanne was not out drinking and driving and partying with Barry. Again I am trying I guess to talk myself through why this case just doesn't do it for me. Plus I truly think she killed him. Nothing has convinced me otherwise.

Let her go. Let the corrupt stay in their positions. That is where sh*t is at in this country anyhow. No politics here right that impede justice?

This entire case is a waste imo. Because it is all bs.

Okay. Not sure I had a diatribe yet like this on first day off yesterday without travel (no day off) in weeks.

I'm fine with however this one turns out. I guess I just am cynical to the elite and give up on such when they turn on each other.

 

[Regina]

Cheating drinking cop. All drinking and driving. Etc. Out drinking and flaunting it in front of those they'd arrest in a split second. Do I have this wrong?

(To keep things straight, I'll refer to people with same last name by their first names.)
Well, re drinking and driving, I'm not aware of evidence that John was drinking and driving that night and re cheating, all I know about that is testimony (Day 1) from his sister-in-law that a month prior, Read told her that she caught John kissing another woman.

 

[Guess Who]

Okay despite watching a lot of Melanie Little's and STS and more, I am just going to admit I guess I am at a point right now in life that I was not on this one from the beginning, Morphew is more my well known and pet case and clearly you two are. I've seen and heard a LOT but still dont' see that she didn't hit him. And I used to think unintentionally until hearing more on that not long ago. Had they taken a BAC I guess they could just send her away but they didn't. Again, I don't like any of this bunch. Including her. Including the victim, sorry, I wish death on no one. Cheating drinking cop. All drinking and driving. Etc. Out drinking and flaunting it in front of those they'd arrest in a split second. Do I have this wrong?

With that, and a bit stressed I now step back and can find a laugh. I have the very strong opinion in Morphew that you two have here. So I get it I guess but that isn't from a defense blizzard.

I used to fight for fair and justice but do you know what, in this one, just let it all go like they do with anyone of note. Until they turn on each other. What a sheer waste. The corrupt whether taken down or not will still go on. The girlfriends and cops or vice versa will continue to drink and drive and be immune. Until something happens...

I said I am trying to figure out by talking my thoughts here and that's as close as it gets. I don't like the case and I don't like the people including her. The bit I watched for 1/2 hour to an hour yesterday and watching her I still don't.

I care if someone is railroaded. I truly do. I care if someone is innocent. I truly do. I know there is corruption big time in this country and courts. I truly do. I have lived it. I have seen it. I have seen the good ol' boys sh*t. But I guess this case is about the privileged or those that felt they were part of it and were immune including her and I don't really have it in me I guess compared to truly innocent victims and perps.

I DO get invested in cases with adults. Morphew would be an example. Suzanne was not out drinking and driving and partying with Barry. Again I am trying I guess to talk myself through why this case just doesn't do it for me. Plus I truly think she killed him. Nothing has convinced me otherwise.

Let her go. Let the corrupt stay in their positions. That is where sh*t is at in this country anyhow. No politics here right that impede justice?

This entire case is a waste imo. Because it is all bs.

Okay. Not sure I had a diatribe yet like this on first day off yesterday without travel (no day off) in weeks.

I'm fine with however this one turns out. I guess I just am cynical to the elite and give up on such when they turn on each other.

But is us not liking a person a reason to convict the wrong person?

 

[kdg411]

Okay despite watching a lot of Melanie Little's and STS and more, I am just going to admit I guess I am at a point right now in life that I was not on this one from the beginning, Morphew is more my well known and pet case and clearly you two are. I've seen and heard a LOT but still dont' see that she didn't hit him. And I used to think unintentionally until hearing more on that not long ago. Had they taken a BAC I guess they could just send her away but they didn't. Again, I don't like any of this bunch. Including her. Including the victim, sorry, I wish death on no one. Cheating drinking cop. All drinking and driving. Etc. Out drinking and flaunting it in front of those they'd arrest in a split second. Do I have this wrong?

With that, and a bit stressed I now step back and can find a laugh. I have the very strong opinion in Morphew that you two have here. So I get it I guess but that isn't from a defense blizzard.

I used to fight for fair and justice but do you know what, in this one, just let it all go like they do with anyone of note. Until they turn on each other. What a sheer waste. The corrupt whether taken down or not will still go on. The girlfriends and cops or vice versa will continue to drink and drive and be immune. Until something happens...

I said I am trying to figure out by talking my thoughts here and that's as close as it gets. I don't like the case and I don't like the people including her. The bit I watched for 1/2 hour to an hour yesterday and watching her I still don't.

I care if someone is railroaded. I truly do. I care if someone is innocent. I truly do. I know there is corruption big time in this country and courts. I truly do. I have lived it. I have seen it. I have seen the good ol' boys sh*t. But I guess this case is about the privileged or those that felt they were part of it and were immune including her and I don't really have it in me I guess compared to truly innocent victims and perps.

I DO get invested in cases with adults. Morphew would be an example. Suzanne was not out drinking and driving and partying with Barry. Again I am trying I guess to talk myself through why this case just doesn't do it for me. Plus I truly think she killed him. Nothing has convinced me otherwise.

Let her go. Let the corrupt stay in their positions. That is where sh*t is at in this country anyhow. No politics here right that impede justice?

This entire case is a waste imo. Because it is all bs.

Okay. Not sure I had a diatribe yet like this on first day off yesterday without travel (no day off) in weeks.

I'm fine with however this one turns out. I guess I just am cynical to the elite and give up on such when they turn on each other.

Runkle of the Bailey is doing nightly recaps & Emily D. Baker is doing live streaming during the day. He is a criminal defense attorney & she is an LA Prosecutor. Neither one did a deep dive and know nothing about the case. You may want to watch one of those. They are looking at this from the same perspective as you are.

I reviewed the Commonwealth's evidence log and they reference MSP Body Worn Camera Footage from June 9, 2022. Keep in mind she was arrested on February 2, 2022.

 

[GrandmaBear]

But is us not liking a person a reason to convict the wrong person?

No but it is enough to not invest in it the same as some and where are the DUIs for anyone this night? When did the bar cut anyone off? Why was an officer going to a party with a drink and open container? I am pretty sure all get what I mean. Where is her BAC and why isn't there one? Surely no one expects me to buy she was sober and they did one and hid it? She didn't even recall being there but that's not the first sh*t I ever heard.

it isn't that I don't care, or want anyone wrongfully convicted, or don't want corruption eliminated. BUT this isn't about some vulnerable child abducted or killed. These are ADULTS who I have trouble feeling for to begin with who felt themselves exempt from the laws. Even then it is not like I don't feel or have sympathy. WHAT would he say, the victim, from the beyond? Okay, okay, believe in it or not.

I think the entire thing is a waste on all sides with all the cases going on that don't make some cop's gf deserving of all the focus in this nation who did drop him off, was drinking, and you name it. And that the media is all about it and more.

I don't know where this is coming from but I guess while starting to talk here it is coming and I am realizing who I feel about it.

NO, not liking a person doesn't mean she should be convicted. Nor does someone who abuses their power for their own advantage means they framed her. That goes BOTH ways.

In this case some care and talk corruption but where are they with all of it in so many other cases? Or what is changing in the justice system for the worse?

Let me say it--what no one says-- but they will when a race case--these are white--elite--untouchable people who once in awhile when their sh*t gets found out or one gets in trouble have to turn on their own.

I honestly don't know where all of this just came from but I think I tapped into what it is about this case for me.

The children who don't get near the attention nor anyone else over some bunch of drunken cops and attorneys and gfs or whatever! This is beyond STUPID imo.

Yeah, I guess I am finallky getting what bothers me. That THIS has such an interest. I just this moment am realizing myself.

You have known me long enough to know the emphasis is NOT at you.

You know, maybe she was drunk, maybe she wasn't, same with him same with any of them BUT none of it was a good practice or look, it shows elitism, immunity or feeling such. ALL of them.

That is what I do NOT like about it I think.

I've ingested a lot of Daybell today in my defense and done a lot while doing so. The couple that think they are GOD Himself and the female version. And then there is Delphi where they'd have us believe there are Os that would kill young white girls so the Os are superior whites a well and finally another example is this one where we have a bunch of cops and powers that be and gfs and you name it partying and thinking immune or special.

I think I am only now tapping into my problem with it.

I should care but a lot of me does not. Because I am flat out sure that Karen REad if she did hit him and because she felt herself one of them and they cut her a break and never charged her would be just fine with that. Wouldn't she?


I think she would BUT it didn't go that way...

Not a bit of this is against anyone or in response to anyone. I just am realizing as I talk why I feel as I do. In ending I now think of all the ones that deserve such attention.

It doesn't make it right if she is innocent. I don't think she is though. I think every single one is sickening and disgusting. A prime example of people in power in counties etc. of America. Just think if they'd stayed home and canoodled when his niece and nephew were in bed.

Okay I guess I was due for one. It's me. And again it is not at you or a single person, this is how I come to realize why and how I feel.