Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *MISTRIAL*

This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 

[GrandmaBear]

This has nothing to do with terrible reporting though. Why would proctor absolutely lie about this?
Michael Proctor is on record in an official police report stating that Canton DPW Director Michael Trotta told him that the GPS on plow trucks was broken on January 24, and not fixed in time for the blizzard on the January 29. This is at odds with Loughran’s testimony to me, because he said that the FBI confronted him with GPS data from January 29, indicating that it was not broken.

I was not talking of Proctor but about the reporting about the plow and driver and routes, etc.

Proctor is clearly an issue in and of himself and would be impeached imo or a heckuva an attempt to do so would be given.if he takes the stand for the P. I wouldn't put him on.

I don't think I said a word about him being a fountain of truth did I?

I've said many times that my thing is I don't believe the alternative story and I do believe she hit him. As far as defending the investigation or all involved, now that's a different story and I don'. I sure though don't think every last person is part of some conspiracy but can believe SOME did abuse positions and power. In fact they have possibly destroyed the case or will lose it due to such and that's on them entirely because I do believe she killed him and most likely intentionally at that moment but regretted it big time not long later...

It's a good example of why politicians, LE, DAs and you name it should keep their sh*t clean and their own lifestyles clean and do a clean and good job because I think she did kill him intentionally BUT because their **** stinks they may well have blown this case but not because she didn't do it.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Where are his injuries that would happen if he actually was hit by a vehicle? Why did the prosecution not include the 3 minutes of security video that was mysteriously left out? Why did they not show absolutely any video that would show her going home without a taillight? Wouldn't that be what could possibly prove the prosection's case without much doubt at all? This was their cop friend that they are claiming was murdered. Why did they not provide any of that info? Wouldn't that mean that they either didn't ask for any of that video ( should have been one of the first and easiest things to do) or, if they did, it doesn't show a broken taillight?

Inept or "helping" the case corruptly.

Doesn't mean she dind't do it and that he was murdered in a fight and a dog helped.

Some players here yes, definitely are not stellar and may even help who killed him get off because they didn't do their job OR tried to "help" the case. I don't know which but none of it changes for me that she hit him.

Of course, I have said many a time as a juror that does not mean I could convict her depending on the case and evidence. Doesn't mean though I don't believe she killed him and most likely intentionally.

She backed up how far....? Said she did it. And so much more.

I hope the rest of them these days have learned to not ever be in a bar, go home, don't attend a party of others you work with that should be keeping your noses as clean as possible, not driving drunk and partying and showing the public, etc. or GET a different JOB.

Where does Karen party and drink these days? Smh.

 

[Regina]

That ALL has been presented in court with the exception of people testifying yet that they were not asked for video or any questions at all. Notice that the prosecution never presented anything showing her with and without a taillight. Sure seems like that would be important evidence to show if they did have it, wouldn't it? Them not showing the simplest of technology available to them sure is telling that could so easily prove their case against her. The lack of injuries is shown in an official court filing, along with the death certificate that only notates head injury and hypothermia. Where's the lower body injuries that would make it even a question that he was even touched by a vehicle going that fast?

The pathologist who performed the autopsy hasn't testified but based on what I know at this point re his condition, I think he suffered severe head injuries.
Re her taillight, there's no dispute as to whether it was intact while her vehicle was seen on Fairview.

 

[Regina]

This has nothing to do with terrible reporting though. Why would proctor absolutely lie about this?
Michael Proctor is on record in an official police report stating that Canton DPW Director Michael Trotta told him that the GPS on plow trucks was broken on January 24, and not fixed in time for the blizzard on the January 29. This is at odds with Loughran’s testimony to me, because he said that the FBI confronted him with GPS data from January 29, indicating that it was not broken.

The town IP person just testified the other day that on Feb 1, he was informed by the PW operations manager that GPS on city vehicles weren't working and hadn't been during the prior storm. He said that that happens several times throughout the year and for all sorts of reasons.
Trotta testified before him but I don't think he was asked about GPS by either side.

 

[Guess Who]

The pathologist who performed the autopsy hasn't testified but based on what I know at this point re his condition, I think he suffered severe head injuries.
Re her taillight, there's no dispute as to whether it was intact while her vehicle was seen on Fairview.

The dispute is was it out when she left. Why didn't they do the simplest things possible and find video of it out on her way home?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Can't vouch for how it will be as it is coming up in a couple of minutes live and I like this guy. Roll Call is more relaxed than other dialed in shows about cases. He has made no bones about the poor lousy investigation nor has his sidekick so if anyone thinks I put it up because they are on one side and not the other, it isn't the case.

 

[GrandmaBear]

The town IP person just testified the other day that on Feb 1, he was informed by the PW operations manager that GPS on city vehicles weren't working and hadn't been hadn't been during the prior storm. He said that that happens several times throughout the year and for all sorts of reasons.
Trotta testified before him also but I don't think he asked about GPS.

I read that as well but didn't even bothering mentioning it as many on one side of this or believing just one side think ALL are part of this conspiracy. They have to have been to pull such off. including the PW operations manager. No?

That's where it all falls down for me, that and the alternative theory.

Here's where I'm at, she killed him but they totally f'ed up the investigation or some of them sure did.

 

[Regina]

I read that as well but didn't even bothering mentioning it as many on one side of this or believing just one side think ALL are part of this conspiracy. They have to have been to pull such off. including the PW operations manager. No?

That's where it all falls down for me, that and the alternative theory.

Here's where I'm at, she killed him but they totally f'ed up the investigation or some of them sure did.

Why do you think that way about the investigation?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Why do you think that way about the investigation?

Because they did. Or at least some of them did or are suspect. Two phones gone like a day before an order to retain or whatever it was. There should NEVER be any suspicion of chain of evidence with the tail light or car. OR question. The stories of a few, well I don't have kids and wasn't married so didn't need it. I'm not saying it ALL was but there is plenty that doesn't help but hurts. Why no BAC on Karen?? Just a lot of things. I do not think ALL and I do think they have a LOT but there certainly are issues. I've listened to more than one officer or retired officer that also says as much, it was a shoddy investigation compared to all that should have been done. They question their lack of training actually but with some of this newer testimony they even say it about the phone disposals as to that isn't just poor training, that's really questionable... I don't recall all the reasons off the top of my head but yes it gives defense ammunition even IF a lot else is good or ironclad.

And Proctor's searching for nude photos and talking filth about her is professional? What was the idiot THINKING?

Some of these people just aren't used to being looked at or questioned and think they can carry on, drink and drive, talk, do as they will and their communications, etc. will never be looked at because after all they are the ones in charge. And probably never have had such looked at. Doesn't mean she didn't do it but it sure is a bad look for them.

I do NOT buy a full fledged conspiracy of all though and I DO think she hit him. It's just too bad there has to be this b.s. that can be used when if all noses were kept clean and things done entirely perfectly, it would be a lot harder for defense to try to take advantage of such things.

 

[Regina]

Because they did. Or at least some of them did or are suspect. Two phones gone like a day before an order to retain or whatever it was. There should NEVER be any suspicion of chain of evidence with the tail light or car. OR question. The stories of a few, well I don't have kids and wasn't married so didn't need it. I'm not saying it ALL was but there is plenty that doesn't help but hurts. Why no BAC on Karen?? Just a lot of things. I do not think ALL and I do think they have a LOT but there certainly are issues. I've listened to more than one officer or retired officer that also says as much, it was a shoddy investigation compared to all that should have been done. They question their lack of training actually but with some of this newer testimony they even say it about the phone disposals as to that isn't just poor training, that's really questionable... I don't recall all the reasons off the top of my head but yes it gives defense ammunition even IF a lot else is good or ironclad.

And Proctor's searching for nude photos and talking filth about her is professional? What was the idiot THINKING?

Some of these people just aren't used to being looked at or questioned and think they can carry on, drink and drive, talk, do as they will and their communications, etc. will never be looked at because after all they are the ones in charge. And probably never have had such looked at. Doesn't mean she didn't do it but it sure is a bad look for them.

I do NOT buy a full fledged conspiracy of all though and I DO think she hit him. It's just too bad there has to be this b.s. that can be used when if all noses were kept clean and things done entirely perfectly, it would be a lot harder for defense to try to take advantage of such things.

The only phones I'm interested are the defendant's and John's.

I'd need you to be specific about what you and/or the YT police think should or shouldn't have been done.

Re BAC, you mean why wasn't Read tested at the scene?

Re Proctor, for me, it's pointless to comment until after he's testified.

 

[GrandmaBear]

The only phones I'm interested are the defendant's and John's.

I'd need you to be specific about what you and/or the YT police think should or shouldn't have been done.

Re BAC, you mean why wasn't Read tested at the scene?

Re Proctor, for me, it's pointless to comment until after he's testified.

I have no argument that I took would like to see more than anything the defendant's and John's phone records. And I haven't changed positions or anything like that but I am not ignoring that there are far from stellar people in this investigation who made some very unwise choices or did some stupid things.

I do not recall all but plenty here have said much of what I have also heard elsewhere and there should be no question. No one should have to wonder if someone was alone with the car, it just shouldn't be the case. I already said is it TWO ditched their phones right before a preservation order came down as if they knew one was coming? With hinky excuses.

Proctor will hopefully admit to he was upset she had killed John and yes had bad feelings towards her and was just a stupid man per the naked thing. Still doesn't help his credibility.

I BELIEVE she killed him and I even think intentionally.

And we have not seen all yet by a long shot and admittedly I am not listening to trial but am reading here about it although I don't feel all is always shared and have watched a few things but it isn't first and foremost for me. RIght now in fact I am listening to defense closing in Daybell. Even though verdict is already in, I want to hear all closings and hadn't finished yet so went back to do so.

I also just saw the Docket has sentencing scheduled for a live watch on Dulos/Troconis this morning. Not a pet one either but one I have followed more than this one.

And of course you will wait for all and I have said all along I need to wait for what comes out at trial as well but I do have opinions.

Some of the testimony already is not believable as to a phone being ditched and why, etc. and the timing.

Defense has gone at every single witness and the only one it sounds like who really held her own was J McCabe although even those I've heard say that say she was still being deceptive and that came from someone who LIKED her standing up to him and thought she did a good job. I'd say jurors are seeing what people are seeing...

I'm not necessarily NOT on the same page as you (or anyone else for that matter) because I dislike the run to judgment before some things have even been seen LIKE the defendant's and victim's phone records and a whole lot more but it does not mean I don't see mistakes or testimony already that is not ideal or is questionable.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

The only phones I'm interested are the defendant's and John's.

I'd need you to be specific about what you and/or the YT police think should or shouldn't have been done.

Re BAC, you mean why wasn't Read tested at the scene?

Re Proctor, for me, it's pointless to comment until after he's testified.

The phone that was always put in the bed all the time rather than on the nightstand charging doesn't mean anything to you?

 

[GrandmaBear]

The dispute is was it out when she left. Why didn't they do the simplest things possible and find video of it out on her way home?

Correct me if I'm wrong but the light wasn't out just the cover was broken no? Nothing ever seems to clarify that. It perhaps is clarified but not like I am watching so don't know... Or perhaps I have forgotten, entirely possible.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Why do you think that way about the investigation?

Lol I have already told you at least some of such. I'm not even the one here that thinks it was entirely botched, that is almost everyone else so not sure why you are asking me. I'm talking a few things and a few people, not all.

I don't even know why I came in here other than a habitual refresh and saw a new post. I have a headache and overdid Daybell today and a lot of very heartbreaking victim impact statements and then the thing was delayed majorly and then later too a break that was to be 15 minutes turned into like 45 and both times Boyce said administrative things...

Point is I don't even have the brain to answer right now, filled with too much today and done for. But I am sure I already answered this somewhat.

By the way speaking of answers, I could be wrong but I think I asked you when you said you tend to sometimes gravitate to cases where someone is wrongly accused, I asked you if you thought KR was but don't recall receiving a response?

There is a fair amount of janky sh*t in this. And a couple if not a few who should be out of jobs or disciplined.

Even so I think she killed him and the evidence is likely there but they've left a lot to be questioned.

 

[Regina]

The phone that was always put in the bed all the time rather than on the nightstand charging doesn't mean anything to you?

No, nothing. That it's a one-second call indicates to me that was inadvertent.

 

[Regina]

Lol I have already told you at least some of such. I'm not even the one here that thinks it was entirely botched, that is almost everyone else so not sure why you are asking me. I'm talking a few things and a few people, not all.

I don't even know why I came in here other than a habitual refresh and saw a new post. I have a headache and overdid Daybell today and a lot of very heartbreaking victim impact statements and then the thing was delayed majorly and then later too a break that was to be 15 minutes turned into like 45 and both times Boyce said administrative things...

Point is I don't even have the brain to answer right now, filled with too much today and done for. But I am sure I already answered this somewhat.

By the way speaking of answers, I could be wrong but I think I asked you when you said you tend to sometimes gravitate to cases where someone is wrongly accused, I asked you if you thought KR was but don't recall receiving a response?

There is a fair amount of janky sh*t in this. And a couple if not a few who should be out of jobs or disciplined.

Even so I think she killed him and the evidence is likely there but they've left a lot to be questioned.

You're right; I shouldn't have asked.

Yes, you've asked several times; to me, this isn't a who but a why type of case.
And for me, evidence pertaining to state of mind and nature of relationship and conscious of guilt is fascinating and is what draws my attention to this particular case.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

No, nothing. That it's a one-second call indicates to me that was inadvertent.

What about the 22 second call after that?

 

[GrandmaBear]

You're right; I shouldn't have asked.

Yes, you've asked several times; to me, this isn't a who but a why type of case.
And for me, evidence pertaining to state of mind and nature of relationship and conscious of guilt is fascinating and is what draws my attention to this particular case.

Lol I'm lost. You can ask, I just felt I had already answered.

So you don't have an opinion of whether she was correctly charged, etc.?

Or unfairly charged and framed?

I'd agree on the consciousness of guilt and state of mind, assuming I am taking that correctly.

Leaving for another work week shortly and am still overstuffing on Daybell. Wanted to get through closings even though verdict is already in, went back to hear them and so that's the case I am full and up on lately. Finally just about done with them. Taken days and minutes here and there of going back to them because in meantime new court stuff was going on with them like verdicts and now penalty phase and wanted to see them live first.

Hoping decision comes in today on DP although I'll be working. They can go through the weekend if they choose to.

How is this case coming? Almost over or still on P? They have a lot of dark days don't they, no court?

 

[GrandmaBear]

What about the 22 second call after that?

I'll admit there is a helluva lot of weird phone sh*t in this case lol. However, none of it breaks the law. Or proves anyone else killed him.

 

[Regina]

Lol I'm lost. You can ask, I just felt I had already answered.

So you don't have an opinion of whether she was correctly charged, etc.?

Or unfairly charged and framed?

I'd agree on the consciousness of guilt and state of mind, assuming I am taking that correctly.

Leaving for another work week shortly and am still overstuffing on Daybell. Wanted to get through closings even though verdict is already in, went back to hear them and so that's the case I am full and up on lately. Finally just about done with them. Taken days and minutes here and there of going back to them because in meantime new court stuff was going on with them like verdicts and now penalty phase and wanted to see them live first.

Hoping decision comes in today on DP although I'll be working. They can go through the weekend if they choose to.

How is this case coming? Almost over or still on P? They have a lot of dark days don't they, no court?

No, I think the charges are appropriate.

Yeah, it appears to me that the prosecution still has plenty of evidence yet to present.
And yeah, there've been several short days and days off from court but I think what's most negatively impacted the length of the trial are the extraordinary circumstances surrounding it.