Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *MISTRIAL*

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This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 
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I think I'm the only here who keeps my phone on my night table.
SAw most of these posts ahead at work today so already kind of included that in the post I just did as I knew you'd said that and what Guessy said too, etc. and my reasons. First off, don't have one next to the bed and even if I did wouldn't use it and another I forgot to mention is you get woken up from a deep sleep at an emergency time of night for a call and you grab it and it ends up down the space between the nightstand and bed. Or a hundred other things some of which I mentioned. Here comes the cord, the lamp, the water, whatever.

Some are married. I'm not. The other half of the bed is the safest place there is for it to be reached when sleeping. It's soft, it can't be knocked off by a cat, it isn't like it's all the way over to the other edge, it's near me.

Heck I can recall corded phone days and then even cordless home phones and the cords to the wall and behind the night stand they took, both a phone line AND a power outlet,t then the lamp and then you grab them half awake. Nope. On the bed. Best safest spot.

In my world anyhow. Big or small. Home phone or cell phone.
 
no, because the cat would be knocking it on the floor and waking me up with the clatter.
I have no clatter but then I am not a two people taking up the bed household. It has never been knocked to the floor by my cats because it is nowhere near the other edge or any edge. EVEN Frank has never managed to pick up my cell phone and carry it off and drown it. However they have and would knock it off a table, a nightstand, etc. and when charging with a cord particularly.
 
nope. That's where mine goes. All tucked behind stuff so the cat doesn't knock it off. I need to keep it somewhat handy because of my mom.
I keep mine near for very similar reasons. Family. Emergencies. But if you are startled awake and it is tucked behind stuff you can just half asleep grab without knocking other things over. Do you instantly become awake and alert and not just reach for it? Like people do with alarms fumbling all over with eyes half closed or closed and trying to find buttons in the dark while hardly awake yet? That's another thing I need alarms now with this work schedule night and day all over the place. I can reach to one side of me on the bed and knock NOTHING over and there it is and I don't have to dig it out from behind stuff.

LOL I think though point is clear that plenty of people have the phone in or on the bed. Maybe you don't. Maybe emu doesn't. I can guarantee you my mom doesn't. In fact she doesn't even take it in the bedroom and often doesn't take it with her at times and I have a hard time understanding that. There have been times we have worried as we haven't been able to reach her. She lives alone and she's 80 and we've had a number of things where it was essential to reach people as quickly as possible.

I CANNOT have mine next to me. As it is I don't check it at work until break and that used to be something I wouldn't be comfortable with and I'm still not but I've relaxed that much.

Who knows what is true in this case with this but I don't find it one bit unusual for a parent, grandparent, etc. nor do I find it unusual of my kids' generation for other reasons such as they are on it til the minute they go to sleep and if the wake up and can't sleep, they are again...
 
I don't put mine under the covers. I place it on the other half of the bed that is made UP on top of the spread. I do this even I am at a hotel. There's no grabbing it and knocking it off the night stand where I also have water and I sure don't need another phone doused with spilled water nor a laptop or anything like it. Been there, done that I also wouldn't keep it charging and plugged in on a nightstand as you grab it and then you've got the cord and trouble knocking whatever over. That's a hotel though. At home there IS no nightstand next to the bed so the place IS the other half of the bed.

I do at times sleep on my couch and then where it goes is tucked under the couch with just a bit sticking out right down from my pillow on the floor and if it rings or I have an alarm set I reach down and know where it is and grab it. The reason for this is because couch isn't double like the bed. There is no big total space next to me to place it and again always near where I can hear it best, my head.

Funny that I didn't know what he said about this and today I caught a part of his testimony only because Vinnie was playing it and at lunch because he had Daybell too, I threw his show on but never did hear the Daybell part but heard some Read. And the guy SAID just what I said and I NEVER KNEW this, when you have kids you want to be able to be reached. I said kids and grandkids but sh*t even with all our losses and my dad's health for years before he died, I NEVER not have my phone near me.

Believe me it is not unusual to have it on or in your bed. And I don't know what generation all these people are but one of my daughters is early 40s and the other is in the latter part of her 30s and BOTH have always had their phone in bed. For one they use it right up until sleeping. I don't do that, my reason is to be able to be reached. And may habit is to fully charge it before bed time each day so it is also good for the next work day or day off or whatever.

I've been called in some many crises in my life but thank God I could be reached. My ex was one to never have his near and intentionally did the opposite and he'd have never even got the message in the middle of the night his dad had died but for me. THAT is why you keep them in bed with you. Okay it can be on a night stand but not for me. That's where generally the lamp is, a glass of water, cords, all of which can be knocked over if started away at 3 a.m. with a call which for most of us you know is NOT going to be a good call.

He slept with his wife in the bed. He had no free space.
 
He slept with his wife in the bed. He had no free space.
Yeah and I was talking of generally people who keep phones in the bed.

I don't know the deal with him and said as much or what is true.

However, how do you know that was the case that night? Or that they truly were sleeping together? Were you in their bedroom?

and I'd beg to differ possibly depending on bed size too. A king has plenty of room. Or under your own pillow, etc. You mentioned not hearing it from under covers or pillow, did he say such? I haven't watched full testimony.

All I have said is plenty of people take their phone to bed and have it in the bed. Some fall asleep with it there, that would be my other daughter more so than meaning to keep it there necessarily.

I haven't committed to or decided what is true with it but I do think the no answered calls and then one 22 second one sounds like not much. If you believe they did talk, what do you think was said in those 22 seconds? Get over here? Meet me at our spot? Lol. Bigger conspiracy, they have prearranged things and codes for all their framing activities of people?

Just my phone every day at work and such, out of pocket, in, etc. I find it on a message or something when I next use it that I never went into from back when. I can believe easily such could happen. I do struggle with the amount of phone things in the case though to be fair.

However, not a bit of it imo was to cover that he was murdered in the home and they framed her or that one of them or theirs did such.

Imo she did this but these things hurt the case against her or certainly could.

She backed up how many feet again that night?
 

By Marc Fortier, John Moroney and Munashe Kwangwari • Published June 3, 2024 • Updated 2 hours ago​


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Mass. State Police search team commander testifies​

Monday began with testimony from Massachusetts State Police Lt. Kevin O'Hara. He is the team commander for the state police Special Emergency Response Team, or SERT.

On Jan. 29, 2022, the day of O'Keefe's death, he said he was contacted around 2:30 p.m. by Lt. Brian Tully, supervisor for the Norfolk County District Attorney's state police detective unit.

He said Tully told him he was conducting a death investigation in Canton and was looking for assistance with an evidence search. O'Hara told Tully members of the SERT team would be able to respond but it could take some time due to the blizzard-like weather conditions at the time.

O'Hara said it was about 3:45 p.m. when he told Tully his team was cleared to respond to Canton. The team members were told to bring shovels, brooms and rakes. O'Hara said he arrived at 34 Fairview Road at 4:56 p.m. Six other members of the SERT team responded along with him.

Once everyone was on scene, the team set up a grid search around where Karen Read's vehicle was believed to have been parked in front of the Albert home the night before. He said Tully told them O'Keefe had been struck by a vehicle and they should be looking for pieces of broken taillight and possibly O'Keefe's sneaker. O'Hara said it was already dark out by the time their search began.

After they found several pieces of taillight, O'Hara said he asked for a photo of the vehicle to see how large a section of taillight had broken. But Tully said the vehicle was being towed back to the Canton Police Department.

The taillight pieces were found on the street in between the flagpole and fire hydrant in front of the home, he said. About six or seven pieces in all were located that day. He said they also found a sneaker in the same general location.

The entire search was wrapped up around 6:15 p.m., O'Hara said. He said he told Tully that the team could return during daylight hours to continue their search.

Assistant District Attorney Adam Lally then showed the jury a series of photos of the snowy yard at 34 Fairview Road displaying where the pieces of taillight and the sneaker were found and members of the SERT team conducting their search.

Shortly after 10 a.m., defense attorney David Yannetti began cross-examining O'Hara. Yannetti started by pointing out that the scene had not been secured and had been left open to the public in the hours before the SERT team arrived.

Yannetti also got O'Hara to confirm that it was dark by the time their search began, and Tully advised them of the area they should search and told them what they should be searching for.

He also asked O'Hara about a section of his report where he wrote that O'Keefe had been hit and dragged by a vehicle around 12:30 a.m. That was also information that came from Tully, O'Hara acknowledged.
 

By Marc Fortier, John Moroney and Munashe Kwangwari • Published June 3, 2024 • Updated 2 hours ago​


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Forensic scientist testifies​

The day's second witness was Maureen Hartnett, a forensic scientist with the Massachusetts State Police Crime Laboratory. She testified about an error she once made identifying a hair, and how that led to her prior work being examined and additional training.

She said she has probably been involved in over 1,000 criminal investigations in her time with the crime lab.

Hartnett testified that she reported to the Canton Police Department on Feb. 1, 2022, where she was asked to examine Read's SUV. She testified that she noted there was damage to the rear passenger side area of the vehicle.

She said there was a dent in the trunk door, scratches on the rear bumper and a broken taillight. She also said she saw an "apparent hair" on a rear quarter-panel of the SUV and some pieces of "apparent glass" on the rear bumper.

"At that time, I noted it was an apparent hair beause I had not done any microscopic examination of the hair," Hartnett said.

Later, back at the lab, she said she did conduct a microscopic examination of the hair.

Hartnett also performed blood screening on the undercarriage of the vehicle, the bumper and rear tires, but found nothing. She said she collected the apparent glass and several paint standards, the taillight housing and the apparent hair.

She also said she was presented with a broken drinking glass she was told was found at the scene, along with some red Solo cups with frozen red-brown stains inside.

Hartnett testified about the testing she conducted on the hair found on the rear of the SUV, and what she found.

"I determined the hair was consistent with a human hair with a root," she said.

Hartnett said she doesn't know what part of the body the hair came from.

She also testified about tests she performed on the sweatshirt that O'Keefe was wearing on the day he died. The jury was shown several closeups of the sweatshirt from different angles.


She said the sweatshirt had numerous red-brown stains in several areas, and she conducted blood tests on those stains.

Hartnett was still on the stand at 1 p.m., when the courtroom broke for lunch. Testimony resumed around 1:30 p.m.

Defense attorney Alan Jackson began cross-examining Hartnett just before 2 p.m. He asked who it was that dispatched her to the Canton Police Department on Feb. 1, 2022, and she said it was Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor.

Proctor, the lead investigator, is under investigation by state police for a potential violation of department policy in connection with the Read case.

Jackson also showed Hartnett a photo of O'Keefe's right arm, which is covered with scratches of some sort. He asked if she noticed anything underneath Read's SUV that could have caused that injury. She said she made no conclusions of that sort at that time, noting that she is not an expert in that area.

She added that the underside of the SUV, including the tire flaps, screened negative for blood.

Jackson also asked Hartnett about the red Solo cups with blood evidence inside, asking if they were in any way labeled.

She said she did not notice them being labeled in any way.

Hartnett said she took two swabs from just one of the Solo cups, assuming they were all related. The rest of the blood evidence was left with Canton police.

"It was my understanding they were all taken from the same stain," she said.

No DNA testing was ever done on the blood swab, Hartnett said.

She also testified about the "apparent hair" she found on the back of the SUV. She said it was not affixed to the vehicle in any way. It was just on the vehicle.

Jackson pointed out that the vehicle would have had to have made a 60-mile trip with the hair affixed to it, in the middle of a blizzard.
 

By Marc Fortier, John Moroney and Munashe Kwangwari • Published June 3, 2024 • Updated 2 hours ago​


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Second forensic scientist testifies​

The day's third witness was Ashley Vallier, another forensic scientist with the Massachusetts State Police Crime Laboratory.

Lally showed Vallier a series of pictures of glass, plastic and an apparent black straw that she reviewed in during the investigation. She said it took a long time to go through the many pieces.

The process took the bulk of the last hour of testimony.

Vallier was due to return to court on Wednesday — the jury has the day off Tuesday.
 
So all of the samples contained within all of the UNLABELED solo cups were from the exact same blood stain and yet, no dna was ran on any of it.

Also, why call in this team that is used for finding lost souls, etc and not the actual CSI team? Why was this team taking directions from somebody that was not their commander?

How did this mysterious hair magically cling onto the surface of her vehicle after all the driving she did plus after being transported to the station for testing in a blizzard? Just sitting on the surface after all of this. :sigh:

Plus no human tissue found on or under her vehicle, yet this hair clung on for over 6o miles.
 
Plus, how did her supposedly hitting him cause all of the pokey holes in his sweatshirt, yet no sign of him or pieces of his sweatshirt found on her vehicle?
 
So all of the samples contained within all of the UNLABELED solo cups were from the exact same blood stain and yet, no dna was ran on any of it.

Also, why call in this team that is used for finding lost souls, etc and not the actual CSI team? Why was this team taking directions from somebody that was not their commander?

How did this mysterious hair magically cling onto the surface of her vehicle after all the driving she did plus after being transported to the station for testing in a blizzard? Just sitting on the surface after all of this. :sigh:

Plus no human tissue found on or under her vehicle, yet this hair clung on for over 6o miles.
Plus, how did that hair stay on yet all the snow was removed from the vehicle without disturbing it, whether they mechanically moved the snow or it melted? INCHES of snow.
 
There were hairs found in LISK when the bodies laid in the elements for YEARS. Hairs can cling, get stuck, etc. through thick and thin.

I find the sneaker interesting, this seems to be rarely mentioned.

And also weren't the tail light pieces found under sn*w or do I have that wrong?

In think, by the way, this court schedule is ridiculous and a total abhorrent waste of the court's and jurors' time especially with the way courts are already way behind schedule and trials take years. It says just for this week they are off tomorrow after one day of testimony, then they are off on Friday and either Wed or Thurs is a half day I forget which one. That is AWFUL. And then you want jurors to recall testimony but you take days off and drag their lives out for twice the number of weeks at least when you are off HALF of the week. Not impressed.
 
There were hairs found in LISK when the bodies laid in the elements for YEARS. Hairs can cling, get stuck, etc. through thick and thin.

I find the sneaker interesting, this seems to be rarely mentioned.

And also weren't the tail light pieces found under sn*w or do I have that wrong?

In think, by the way, this court schedule is ridiculous and a total abhorrent waste of the court's and jurors' time especially with the way courts are already way behind schedule and trials take years. It says just for this week they are off tomorrow after one day of testimony, then they are off on Friday and either Wed or Thurs is a half day I forget which one. That is AWFUL. And then you want jurors to recall testimony but you take days off and drag their lives out for twice the number of weeks at least when you are off HALF of the week. Not impressed.
LAID on stationary objects. That stuff didn't travel 60+miles, sitting on vertical metal, in a blizzard with inches of snow that had melted away that would have been on top of it. There is no comparison on that at all
 
LAID on stationary objects. That stuff didn't travel 60+miles, sitting on vertical metal, in a blizzard with inches of snow that had melted away that would have been on top of it. There is no comparison on that at all
Plus, the piece of hair also appears to have moved, by itself, between two pics that were taken inside, in a controlled climate. This, after it had supposedly stayed clung onto that vertical surface during 60+ miles of transport and snow melt.
 
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From yesterday's testimony, I'd been wondering where the sneaker was found and hadn't known that it and most all of the taillight pieces were recovered that first day.
And there's more damage to the vehicle than I'd been aware of.
 
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From yesterday's testimony, I'd been wondering where the sneaker was found and hadn't known that it and most all of the taillight pieces were recovered that first day.
And there's more damage to the vehicle than I'd been aware of.
Which if they really thought her car was involved from the very beginning, makes what they did and didn't do make even less sense. IF they had really thought that their supposed friend, a fellow cop, was murdered by somebody hitting him and fleeing, why did they not do nearly anything correctly? No chain of command on what questionable "evidence" they found. No labeling of said "evidence". All "evidence" they did have all bagged together. No calling the real CSI team. The team that they did call in having no real command hierarchy. Nobody seemed to gather any security/Ring footage that might have shown them exactly what car was possibly involved...
 
Plus, the piece of hair also appears to have moved, by itself, between two pics that were taken inside, in a controlled climate. This, after it had supposedly stayed clung onto that vertical surface during 60+ miles of transport and snow melt.

The same day in excess of 12 hours.
 

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