Letcher County, KY Sheriff arrested in shooting death of District Judge

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Sheriff Mickey Stines was arrested after surrendering himself to police. The shooting occurred in the judge’s chambers about 3 p.m. this afternoon (September 19).
Stines allegedly walked into the judge’s outer office, told court employees and others gathered there that he needed to speak with District Judge Kevin D. Mullins alone. The two then went into the inner office, closed the door and those outside heard shots. Stines walked out with his hands up and surrendered to police.

Court employees were on the sidewalk outside the courthouse in shock following the shooting. Stines was handcuffed in the foyer of the courthouse. Officials expected the investigation to continue for several more hours.

 
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I heard that she was working for Stines with some sort of legal study program, which could be a reason he had her number. Another reason being discussed is maybe he was helping her re a domestic situation. I understand the reason Stines was not in his Sheriff uniform that day is that his wife had chucked him out the night before, so until we know all the facts, it is going to be hard to know exactly what is behind this.

I did notice that in the recent court appearance, his wife sat right behind him.
There have been a ton of rumors but it's true that when he's been in court, his wife and his daughter are there supporting him.
 
I think some folks certainly think he did. I did too at first but it's impossible to know.
The fact that Stines called his kid from Mullins' phone is certainly a red flag that hasn't been answered or explained. Yet.

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I'm impatiently waiting for more details on this case. It's very bizarre.

VPI that runs after Closing Arguments tonight is all about this case. I also suggest watching CA tonight. It's about the Menedez Bros trying to get out of prison.

Also, a high-school relay runner smacks an opponent on the back of her head with the baton she was running with.

@SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

Ever have a baton attack to work on?
 
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VPI that runs after Closing Arguments tonight is all about this case. I also suggest watching CA tonight. It's about the Menedez Bros trying to get out of prison.

Also, a high-school relay runner smacks an opponent on the back of her head with the baton she was running with.

@SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

Ever have a baton attack to work on?
You go hot and cold on Vinnie. Mostly hot until you don't agree. Jmo.

I did see a fair amount on Menendez yesterday with the DA speaking. I think, lo and behold, we agree on that case, we certainly don't agree on all but seem to if I read your posts right, on that one.

I am staying out of the baton thing. Most would rather be attacked with bacon. I like bacon but I'm no fanatic that can't not have it or tons of it. Batons would bring me down a sidetrack so I'll leave that one. So would the bacon debate.
 
You go hot and cold on Vinnie. Mostly hot until you don't agree. Jmo.

I did see a fair amount on Menendez yesterday with the DA speaking. I think, lo and behold, we agree on that case, we certainly don't agree on all but seem to if I read your posts right, on that one.

I am staying out of the baton thing. Most would rather be attacked with bacon. I like bacon but I'm no fanatic that can't not have it or tons of it. Batons would bring me down a sidetrack so I'll leave that one. So would the bacon debate.

Why do you care whether I like VP or not?
 
Why do you care whether I like VP or not?
I'm not. You like him when he goes your route and you don't when he doesn't from what I've noticed. You linked and quoted him a lot until I gave you a few things from him you didn't like.

No biggie.

Funny you'd center on that rather than the Menendez "boys".

The post was a bit tongue in cheek, re baton and bacon as well.

:D
 

Motion filed for examination in Mickey Stines’ case​

The commonwealth has filed a motion to have one former sheriff examined following his plans to use an insanity defense.

The commonwealth filed the motion for former Letcher County Sheriff Mickey Stines to be examined at the Kentucky Correctional Psychiatric Center (KCPC) relating to his and his defense team’s assertion of insanity defense at the time of the incident.

The motion was also filed to evaluate Stines’ claims that he suffers or has suffered from a mental disease or condition that bears on the issues of guilt and punishment.

In the letter, it said the prosecution had no objection to Stines’ request to have the defense expert present as an observer during his evaluation at KCPC.


Prosecutors ask for former sheriff to undergo psychiatric exam before murder trial​

After his attorney notified the court that he would be pursuing an insanity defense in his upcoming murder trial, prosecutors are requesting that former Letcher County Sheriff Shawn Mickey Stines undergo a psychiatric examination.

Stines, 44, of McRoberts, is charged with capital murder for the Sept. 19 shooting death of Letcher District Judge Kevin Mullins while the two men talked in the judge’s chambers.

The shooting was captured on security cameras, leaving no doubt as to who pulled the trigger. But last month, Stines’ attorney asked to present “expert evidence relating to a mental disease or defect or mental condition bearing on the issue of guilt and punishment.”

In a motion filed Monday, Kentucky Attorney General Russell Coleman asks the court for Stines to be transferred to the Kentucky Correctional Psychiatric Center so an examination can be performed for the prosecution. He notes that the prosecution has no objection for a defense expert to be present during that evaluation.

A judge will rule on the request at a later time.
 
Get ready for him to probably not get what he deserves but who knows...Strikes me a bit like the health care CEO one. There really was a murder but people think the perp had a reason...

It doesn't though make murder okay, or maybe one is more liked than the other and some feel one deserved something...

I've not been very on the ball this week it's been a hard week, been a bit slow but realized the other day after calling such "leches' that the county name is letcher lol. I'd seen that before but only connected the dots a couple of days after saying such lol.

Who knows and I don't follow elsewhere but maybe the judge for instance was the biggest creep that ever existed BUT it doesn't make murder okay if not in self defense, etc...

They are all part of the system and the county here, or were... The same justice that would result for anyone need to result. It doesn't have to mean the victim is admirable as in the health CEO case either...

It's vigilante justice IF what is hinted at here is true. You take him down, get him arrested, out his b.s.

Boy could I talk of the things talked of in one of my lifetime counties....

I guess we should out them all but we all worry about such don't we.... And there needs to be proof.

I haven't seen a thing about this elsewhere but guessing from comments the judge abused power and was a nasty creep. It still doesn't excuse murder sadly. Believe me, I've had that rage, and "fantasy", the eye for an eye or something on that order...

The should rename the county. Maybe future generations will do better instead of being a lech.
 
Is he going for temporary insanity because he was so angry that the judge was going after his daughter, or he thought he was going after his daughter?
 
That was my impression.
Which, a psych exam can't necessarily prove your state of mind THEN. It can prove your state of mind now. And I don't think he's mentally incompetent or insane now.
Yet you kind of have to be off your rocker a little bit to kill somebody, at least for that moment. Seems like a hard argument to win since, duh.
 
Is he going for temporary insanity because he was so angry that the judge was going after his daughter, or he thought he was going after his daughter?
I think there's way, way more to it than just that. From all I've read in the media, his (Stines) behavior drastically changed after the deposition. I'd be curious to know exactly what questions were asked of him, and why that affected him the way it did. I don't think for a moment he was insane as most of us probably define it but I think it's possible some kind of information came to light that caused him to temporarily become rage-blind. Not making excuses for him, just considering possibilities for the insanity defense coupled with the extreme duress issue.
 
I think there's way, way more to it than just that. From all I've read in the media, his (Stines) behavior drastically changed after the deposition. I'd be curious to know exactly what questions were asked of him, and why that affected him the way it did. I don't think for a moment he was insane as most of us probably define it but I think it's possible some kind of information came to light that caused him to temporarily become rage-blind. Not making excuses for him, just considering possibilities for the insanity defense coupled with the extreme duress issue.
Yes. I see more of a rage blind incident than insanity incident.
 
I think there's way, way more to it than just that. From all I've read in the media, his (Stines) behavior drastically changed after the deposition. I'd be curious to know exactly what questions were asked of him, and why that affected him the way it did. I don't think for a moment he was insane as most of us probably define it but I think it's possible some kind of information came to light that caused him to temporarily become rage-blind. Not making excuses for him, just considering possibilities for the insanity defense coupled with the extreme duress issue.
One thing one should learn as an adult is never to react in the heat of the moment. Remove oneself, don't seek anyone out. I've practiced this many a time in life. It's not always easy.

That is though when someone will do or say one will regret.

I think also most of us can understand people who kill someone who hurt their child, and many other examples I won't go into, self defense and more.

It isn't a defense imo, things like temporary insanity, rage, and so on. Boy I've been there. Two things stop me, the law, and a belief in God. If I thought I could kill and be forgiven and see my loved ones again in heaven, well I can tell you that a couple of people may be dead who aren't. And while prison might be cheaper these days for a roof over one's head, at least for a convict, I value my freedom and again like to see my loved ones.

I think there's little excuse for murder but that's jmo. Catching someone harming your child, oh yes, I could understand. I'm not up on what the truth is here but rumors are hinted at even on this site. If there is one thing most of us could understand who are maybe mostly normal lol, it would be killing on behalf of a loved one being hurt. I can even see if one found something out but wasn't seeing it where one could. And I have enough cynicism at the justice system at times to see why SOME might take it into their own hands... I mean here we do have a judge that was killed who probably ruled many a thing...? I don't follow things or talk elsewhere so I am out of the loop at times and have to read between the lines...

I generally though still believe they deserve a conviction although if a juror I might find mitigating factors or an ethical judge might as well...

We have a baby murderer we all hate in my family (he isn't family, I mean my family hates him). That hatred isn't going away either. I understand the urge/rage. And just the other day a post about the Denver airport reminded me of what a mom will do when pushed beyond being able to protect one's child... I would have been probably violating federal law but fortunately at the moment I was about ready to, RIGHT at that moment, I didn't have to make that choice. I was ready to go ballistic. I think most of us can understand some things and see a lighter charge or sentence if the perp did something very wrong to a loved one or self. Imo that's the most that most of us can identify with perps who cross the line... Others like SKs are very hard for most of us to understand...

So if you follow it elsewhere what is your thought on what happened here? I honestly don't. Is it about his daughter, how old, what? Was it just the phone # being in the judge's phone? I'd almost thing it would have to be more than just that, or more surrounding the reason...

I don't think generally there is any excuse for murder, however, I can see mitigating circumstances perhaps. In some cases and if not planned or premeditated.

One thing I do know for not following it closely or elsewhere is he sought the judge out... And they were alone... And so unfortunately just on those basic facts, he had moments to think twice even if the most rage filled thing was done, it wasn't being done to someone at that moment and probably had already been done. I'm assuming the few rumors I've heard are true yet I don't know the daughter's age or what is said, I just know the rage that would come over a child as I think most of us can relate to.

It's hard, very hard, but where most of us would kill for our children in certain circumstances, I think we'd also be willing and say make me pay the price, it was worth it. If something was so bad, I'd definitely feel for him and understand but that's it. I'd understand him doing it and even maligning the judge and defending himself and telling why.

Forgive me, I've been out of sorts this week and in pain but finally hope I'm coming out of it and so I'm going on and on.

Plus again I don't follow this elsewhere so not sure what the deal is and so I'm guessing...

I've seen dirty judges.... Dirty sheriff's too, with power gone to their heads and all hearing what they do, but no one willing to put themselves out there...

I don't think momentary rage is a defense though or should get him off. I do at times think vigilante justice is understandable but then again, where would the line be drawn and not all would be right on what they think or claim either...

And yet I have a lot to say, not all good, about our justice system...

I'm wandering and you didn't ask for this long post lol.

So are you from Canada? I've only been there once and saying that of course means in no way just like the US I've seen all of it. I did catch fish though :)
 
One thing one should learn as an adult is never to react in the heat of the moment. Remove oneself, don't seek anyone out. I've practiced this many a time in life. It's not always easy.

That is though when someone will do or say one will regret.

I think also most of us can understand people who kill someone who hurt their child, and many other examples I won't go into, self defense and more.

It isn't a defense imo, things like temporary insanity, rage, and so on. Boy I've been there. Two things stop me, the law, and a belief in God. If I thought I could kill and be forgiven and see my loved ones again in heaven, well I can tell you that a couple of people may be dead who aren't. And while prison might be cheaper these days for a roof over one's head, at least for a convict, I value my freedom and again like to see my loved ones.

I think there's little excuse for murder but that's jmo. Catching someone harming your child, oh yes, I could understand. I'm not up on what the truth is here but rumors are hinted at even on this site. If there is one thing most of us could understand who are maybe mostly normal lol, it would be killing on behalf of a loved one being hurt. I can even see if one found something out but wasn't seeing it where one could. And I have enough cynicism at the justice system at times to see why SOME might take it into their own hands... I mean here we do have a judge that was killed who probably ruled many a thing...? I don't follow things or talk elsewhere so I am out of the loop at times and have to read between the lines...

I generally though still believe they deserve a conviction although if a juror I might find mitigating factors or an ethical judge might as well...

We have a baby murderer we all hate in my family (he isn't family, I mean my family hates him). That hatred isn't going away either. I understand the urge/rage. And just the other day a post about the Denver airport reminded me of what a mom will do when pushed beyond being able to protect one's child... I would have been probably violating federal law but fortunately at the moment I was about ready to, RIGHT at that moment, I didn't have to make that choice. I was ready to go ballistic. I think most of us can understand some things and see a lighter charge or sentence if the perp did something very wrong to a loved one or self. Imo that's the most that most of us can identify with perps who cross the line... Others like SKs are very hard for most of us to understand...

So if you follow it elsewhere what is your thought on what happened here? I honestly don't. Is it about his daughter, how old, what? Was it just the phone # being in the judge's phone? I'd almost thing it would have to be more than just that, or more surrounding the reason...

I don't think generally there is any excuse for murder, however, I can see mitigating circumstances perhaps. In some cases and if not planned or premeditated.

One thing I do know for not following it closely or elsewhere is he sought the judge out... And they were alone... And so unfortunately just on those basic facts, he had moments to think twice even if the most rage filled thing was done, it wasn't being done to someone at that moment and probably had already been done. I'm assuming the few rumors I've heard are true yet I don't know the daughter's age or what is said, I just know the rage that would come over a child as I think most of us can relate to.

It's hard, very hard, but where most of us would kill for our children in certain circumstances, I think we'd also be willing and say make me pay the price, it was worth it. If something was so bad, I'd definitely feel for him and understand but that's it. I'd understand him doing it and even maligning the judge and defending himself and telling why.

Forgive me, I've been out of sorts this week and in pain but finally hope I'm coming out of it and so I'm going on and on.

Plus again I don't follow this elsewhere so not sure what the deal is and so I'm guessing...

I've seen dirty judges.... Dirty sheriff's too, with power gone to their heads and all hearing what they do, but no one willing to put themselves out there...

I don't think momentary rage is a defense though or should get him off. I do at times think vigilante justice is understandable but then again, where would the line be drawn and not all would be right on what they think or claim either...

And yet I have a lot to say, not all good, about our justice system...

I'm wandering and you didn't ask for this long post lol.

So are you from Canada? I've only been there once and saying that of course means in no way just like the US I've seen all of it. I did catch fish though :)
So little has been released to the public so it's hard to say what's really going on with Mickey Stines and why he did what he did.
I think there are a LOT of factors that include his home life, his kid especially, the power dynamic with the late judge, and probably some other raunchy details we haven't learned of yet.
Assuming this goes to trial, we'll learn some of those details that may or may not make it all make sense.
 
I think there's way, way more to it than just that. From all I've read in the media, his (Stines) behavior drastically changed after the deposition. I'd be curious to know exactly what questions were asked of him, and why that affected him the way it did. I don't think for a moment he was insane as most of us probably define it but I think it's possible some kind of information came to light that caused him to temporarily become rage-blind. Not making excuses for him, just considering possibilities for the insanity defense coupled with the extreme duress issue.
I'm open to his defense. I just think he will have a rough time going that route, if we look at past cases.
 

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