Lewiston, ME shooting 10/25/23 - 18 dead, suspect found deceased

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It IS 10 eastern, not sure when the news conference is coming.

Suspect in Maine shooting rampage is dead, sources say​

The US Army reservist accused of killing 18 people and injuring 13 others in a shooting rampage in a Maine city has been found dead, apparently from a self-inflicted gunshot wound after a two-day manhunt that terrorized local communities, multiple sources told CNN Friday night.

Robert Card’s body was found in a wooded area near Lisbon, a town about 8 miles from where the shooting took place in Lewiston on Wednesday evening, the sources said. That location is close to a recycling plant Card was recently fired from, a law enforcement source told CNN.

Authorities plan to hold a news conference at 10 p.m. ET Friday.
So he was hearing voices, he was broken up with his girlfriend, and he was fired from his job.

:gaah:

I’m sure glad they found him so the people don’t have to be scared anymore.
 
Thank you. I hope to bring awareness to the fact that the severely mentally ill are not getting any care at all. They may be diagnosed, but then they’re just thrown out to fend for themselves.
My mother and my sister in law both suffered from schizophrenia. During a psychosis my mother would refuse to take her medication because she thought we were about to poison her. The good thing here is that you cant just walk into a Shop to purchase a gun.
 

Updated: 5:37 AM EDT Oct 28, 2023
Shaun Ganley

LEWISTON, Maine —
The man wanted in the mass shooting at a Lewiston bowling alley and bar that killed 18 people and wounded 13 was found dead Friday, bringing an end to a search that put the entire state of Maine on edge for the last two days.

Robert Card, wanted in connection with the shootings at Schemengees Bar and Grille and at Just-In-Time Recreation bowling alley in Lewiston, was found dead in Lisbon Falls, Maine, Gov. Janet Mills said at a Friday night news conference.

Below are the latest updates in the case.

5:30 a.m. -- Press conference to be held at 10 a.m.

Maine State Police will join other public safety officials at a news conference scheduled for 10 a.m. on Saturday, to reveal more information about the discovery of Robert Card's body Friday night.

Card was wanted in connection with the two mass shootings at a Lewiston recreation bowling alley and bar.

10:20 p.m. -- Governor says body found in Lisbon

Maine Gov. Janet Mills says Robert Card's body was found in Lisbon.

“Now is a time to heal," Mills said. "I know that law enforcement continues to fully investigate the facts so we can bring closure to the victims and their families."

Mills said she hopes the state can start to move forward, and give a bit of closure to those who lost loved ones.

“Tonight the city of Lewiston and the state of Maine can begin to move forward on what will be a long and difficult road of healing,” she said.

10:05 p.m. -- Card's remains found in dumpster

Law enforcement sources confirm Robert Card's remains were found in a dumpster at Maine Recycling.

9:15 p.m. -- Robert Card found dead

The man wanted in connection to the deadliest shooting in the history of Maine has been found dead, law enforcement tells WMTW.

Robert Card, 40, was found dead from a self inflicted gunshot wound, after police say he fatally shot 18 and wounded 13 others on Wednesday.

Sources say he was found in or around the recycling center where he worked.
 
My mother and my sister in law both suffered from schizophrenia. During a psychosis my mother would refuse to take her medication because she thought we were about to poison her. The good thing here is that you cant just walk into a Shop to purchase a gun.
You can’t do that here in Oregon either. I’ve gone through more than one background check. And I don’t have a problem with it. But if we start going off on the gun issue, it’s gonna get ugly. We’ll have to leave that for the political area.
 

Updated: 5:37 AM EDT Oct 28, 2023
Shaun Ganley

LEWISTON, Maine —
The man wanted in the mass shooting at a Lewiston bowling alley and bar that killed 18 people and wounded 13 was found dead Friday, bringing an end to a search that put the entire state of Maine on edge for the last two days.

Robert Card, wanted in connection with the shootings at Schemengees Bar and Grille and at Just-In-Time Recreation bowling alley in Lewiston, was found dead in Lisbon Falls, Maine, Gov. Janet Mills said at a Friday night news conference.

Below are the latest updates in the case.

5:30 a.m. -- Press conference to be held at 10 a.m.

Maine State Police will join other public safety officials at a news conference scheduled for 10 a.m. on Saturday, to reveal more information about the discovery of Robert Card's body Friday night.

Card was wanted in connection with the two mass shootings at a Lewiston recreation bowling alley and bar.

10:20 p.m. -- Governor says body found in Lisbon

Maine Gov. Janet Mills says Robert Card's body was found in Lisbon.

“Now is a time to heal," Mills said. "I know that law enforcement continues to fully investigate the facts so we can bring closure to the victims and their families."

Mills said she hopes the state can start to move forward, and give a bit of closure to those who lost loved ones.

“Tonight the city of Lewiston and the state of Maine can begin to move forward on what will be a long and difficult road of healing,” she said.

10:05 p.m. -- Card's remains found in dumpster

Law enforcement sources confirm Robert Card's remains were found in a dumpster at Maine Recycling.

9:15 p.m. -- Robert Card found dead

The man wanted in connection to the deadliest shooting in the history of Maine has been found dead, law enforcement tells WMTW.

Robert Card, 40, was found dead from a self inflicted gunshot wound, after police say he fatally shot 18 and wounded 13 others on Wednesday.

Sources say he was found in or around the recycling center where he worked.
So he crawled into a dumpster and ended his life. It’s almost poetic, if it wasn’t so tragic.
 

Updated: 11:39 AM EDT Oct 28, 2023
Shaun Ganley

11:20 a.m. - Recycling corporation issues statement.

"We understand that Maine Recycling Corporation (MRC) is now a part of this tragic story, and as such, we continue to assist this investigation in every way possible," a written statement said.

"Robert Card was employed by MRC as a commercial driver for approximately one year and left voluntarily late last spring," the statement said. "He left our employ voluntarily."

10:35 a.m. - Police explain what was inside Card 'suicide note'
A note found in the residence of the gunman is described as a paper note with information about various things such as phone passcodes and bank account numbers.

"I wouldn't describe it as a explicit suicide note, but the tone and tenor was that the individual was not going to be around and wanted to make sure that this loved one had access to his phone and whatever was in his phone," Maine Department of Public Safety Commissioner Mike Sauschuck, said. "We're working... to get into the phone. That's one of those search warrants."

10:30 a.m. - Firearm found in vehicle

Two guns were found with Card when his body was found.

Authorities say a firearm found in the white Subaru that was connected to the gunman.

"That was a long gun style," Public Safety Commissioner Mike Sauschuck, said. "I do not have the make and model."

10:15 a.m. - Where Robert Card's body was found
Maine Department of Public Safety Commissioner Mike Sauschuck said Robert Card's body was found deceased in a tractor-trailer in an overflow parking lot at the Maine Recycling Corporation.

Sauschuck said the area where the body was found had been cleared twice previously, but the recycling center's owner said Card was familiar with the property and told police to check an overflow parking lot investigators previously were not aware of.

"The Maine State Police tactical team ultimately were the ones that located the body within one of those trailers," Sauschuck said. "He was found inside one of those box [trailers] that was unlocked from the outside."
 
Thank you. I hope to bring awareness to the fact that the severely mentally ill are not getting any care at all. They may be diagnosed, but then they’re just thrown out to fend for themselves.
Well, I believe in getting help for YOURSELF. But there does need to intervention in certain cases. And a big problem I see is that a process is started, But not followed up on. IMO. He should have been put under 72 hour observation, And go from there.
 

Updated: 11:39 AM EDT Oct 28, 2023
Shaun Ganley

11:20 a.m. - Recycling corporation issues statement.

"We understand that Maine Recycling Corporation (MRC) is now a part of this tragic story, and as such, we continue to assist this investigation in every way possible," a written statement said.

"Robert Card was employed by MRC as a commercial driver for approximately one year and left voluntarily late last spring," the statement said. "He left our employ voluntarily."

10:35 a.m. - Police explain what was inside Card 'suicide note'
A note found in the residence of the gunman is described as a paper note with information about various things such as phone passcodes and bank account numbers.

"I wouldn't describe it as a explicit suicide note, but the tone and tenor was that the individual was not going to be around and wanted to make sure that this loved one had access to his phone and whatever was in his phone," Maine Department of Public Safety Commissioner Mike Sauschuck, said. "We're working... to get into the phone. That's one of those search warrants."

10:30 a.m. - Firearm found in vehicle

Two guns were found with Card when his body was found.

Authorities say a firearm found in the white Subaru that was connected to the gunman.

"That was a long gun style," Public Safety Commissioner Mike Sauschuck, said. "I do not have the make and model."

10:15 a.m. - Where Robert Card's body was found
Maine Department of Public Safety Commissioner Mike Sauschuck said Robert Card's body was found deceased in a tractor-trailer in an overflow parking lot at the Maine Recycling Corporation.

Sauschuck said the area where the body was found had been cleared twice previously, but the recycling center's owner said Card was familiar with the property and told police to check an overflow parking lot investigators previously were not aware of.

"The Maine State Police tactical team ultimately were the ones that located the body within one of those trailers," Sauschuck said. "He was found inside one of those box [trailers] that was unlocked from the outside."
I’m sorry. But it’s what he should have done in the first place instead of killing people that did nothing to him.
 
Well, I believe in getting help for YOURSELF. But there does need to intervention in certain cases. And a big problem I see is that a process is started, But not followed up on. IMO. He should have been put under 72 hour observation, And go from there.
I’m glad you’re thinking about it! Usually I don’t hear any responses at all. I wonder if some of the people who want to be helped who are mentally ill can speak out so that those who don’t want be help would be encouraged to do so? Sometimes it’s better hearing from somebody who suffers from the same problem. I’m just throwing that out there.
 
I’m glad you’re thinking about it! Usually I don’t hear any responses at all. I wonder if some of the people who want to be helped who are mentally ill can speak out so that those who don’t want be help would be encouraged to do so? Sometimes it’s better hearing from somebody who suffers from the same problem. I’m just throwing that out there.
In cases of the excuse used by the defendant as “Mental Illness”. I usually sound off. I state my issues, What I do to help myself.AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!!! The ones who claim that usually are full of s***. But there are cases where there has to be intervention. Someone who has delusions they are O.K. They are on meds. They then think they don’t need it, And stop taking it. Then problems start again. Worse delusions. Different, irrational ones. I believe these people need to be hospitalized. A plan in place to monitor their medications are being taken daily. Without having to keep them hospitalized. But of course, There are some that need to be. The hospitals aren’t empty. But they aren’t full of these defendants.
 
In cases of the excuse used by the defendant as “Mental Illness”. I usually sound off. I state my issues, What I do to help myself.AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!!! The ones who claim that usually are full of s***. But there are cases where there has to be intervention. Someone who has delusions they are O.K. They are on meds. They then think they don’t need it, And stop taking it. Then problems start again. Worse delusions. Different, irrational ones. I believe these people need to be hospitalized. A plan in place to monitor their medications are being taken daily. Without having to keep them hospitalized. But of course, There are some that need to be. The hospitals aren’t empty. But they aren’t full of these defendants.
I’d rather have larger mental hospitals, than jails.

A lot of these cases the people are self medicating which makes the problems worse. My brother used to drink too much and on. I know he was just trying to make himself feel better. He didn’t want to take his meds and I don’t know if they made him feel bad or if it was more because he didn’t want to be mentally ill. He tried to hide it from everyone.
 

The Associated Press
December 22, 2023, 6:33 PM

PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — Police who declined to confront an Army reservist in the weeks before he killed 18 people in Maine’s deadliest mass shooting feared that doing so would “throw a stick of dynamite on a pool of gas,” according to video released Friday by law enforcement.

The video, which was released to the Portland Press Herald and then sent to The Associated Press, documents a Sept. 16 call between Sagadoc County Sheriff’s Sgt. Aaron Skolfield and Army Reserve Capt. Jeremy Reamer. Skolfield was following up with Reamer about the potential threat posed by Robert Card, 40, who carried out the Oct. 25 attacks at a bowling alley and a restaurant. He was found dead two days later of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Military officials alerted police in September that Card had been hospitalized in July after exhibiting erratic behavior while training, that he still had access to weapons and that he had threatened to “shoot up” an Army reserve center in Saco, a city in southern Maine. The sheriff’s department responded by briefly staking out the Saco facility and going to Card’s home in Bowdoin for what Reamer described as a “welfare check.”

“The only thing I would ask is if you could just document it,” Reamer said. “Just say, ’He was there, he was uncooperative. But we confirmed that he was alive and breathing.’ And then we can go from there. That’s, from my end here, all we’re really looking for.”

Skolfield mentioned Maine’s yellow flag law, which can be used to remove guns from potentially dangerous people, after Reamer said Card had refused medical treatment after his hospitalization.

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Much more at link. ~Summer
 
I’d rather have larger mental hospitals, than jails.

A lot of these cases the people are self medicating which makes the problems worse. My brother used to drink too much and on. I know he was just trying to make himself feel better. He didn’t want to take his meds and I don’t know if they made him feel bad or if it was more because he didn’t want to be mentally ill. He tried to hide it from everyone.
I agree. Except when it comes to conviction. Some are so good at faking, They get released so fast it's ridiculous. And they are a danger to society. And you hear they killed someone again.
 

By David Sharp and Patrick Whittle • Published 26 mins ago • Updated 26 mins ago​


Maine's top police leader addressed the chaos caused by officers arriving without assignments after the state's deadliest mass shooting, saying Friday that he was glad so many officers were eager to help, even though it was difficult to manage at times.

Col. William Ross, the state police chief, said there's no “overarching policy” on self-dispatching police officers and said that it's actually a good thing in an active shooter situation such as Lewiston's, in which police were responding to multiple locations.

“Keep ’em coming. Because that's what we need," Ross said. But, he added, it's important for officers to be disciplined once a command structure is established.

Ross also spoke about how leaks of investigatory details including an early bulletin, which was distributed moments later on social media, and news media reports of a note discovered at the gunman's home complicated an already difficult search for the shooter.

Law enforcement officials, including Ross, returned for more testimony at the request of an independent commission, which was focusing Friday on problems with police communication and coordination in the fraught hours after Maine’s deadliest mass shooting Oct. 25.

Eighteen people were killed and 13 injured by an Army reservist at a bowling alley and a bar. The shooter, 40-year-old Robert Card, fled in a vehicle that was abandoned in a nearby town.

Chair Daniel Wathen previously noted “disturbing allegations” were contained in a Portland special response team after-action report that criticized officers who were showing up unannounced. That report also included allegations that some officers arrived intoxicated, but the commission said allegations of misconduct should be handled by the agencies themselves.

The commission previously heard testimony from law enforcement officials about that evening, when law enforcement agencies mobilized for a search as additional police officers poured into the region. State police took over coordination of the search for the gunman, who was found dead from suicide two days later.

There were tense moments when law enforcement located the gunman’s vehicle near the Androscoggin River several hours after the shooting.

State police used a cautious approach, angering some officers who wanted to immediately search the nearby woods. Officers without any official assignment began showing up, raising concerns of police firing on one another in the darkness. The arrival of so many officers also contaminated the scene, making it all but impossible to use dogs to track the gunman.

At one point, a tactical vehicle from the Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office nearly crashed into another tactical vehicle from the Portland Police Department near that scene.

Ross said the fact that so many officers responded to put themselves in harm's way was a “proud moment,” but he acknowledged that having so many officers arriving from different agencies caused confusion. The problem of well-meaning officers improvising on the fly diminished once a command post was set up, he added.

“As the hours went by, less and less of that happened,” he said. “And then there's outliers. There will always be someone who operates outside the norm or the command post. And you deal with those things as they come up.”

Ross said the combination of multiple scenes, the gunman’s disappearance and the manhunt made the tragedy different from other mass shootings around the country.

“This is something that I think is very unique,” Ross said.

As for the leaks, Ross said that they were frustrating but that the agency is not focused on trying to find those who leaked information, calling it a “needle in a haystack.” He also noted that leaks are common in large law enforcement actions involving multiple agencies.

The commission investigating the events leading up to the shooting and its aftermath was appointed by the governor and is composed of seven members, including mental health professionals and former prosecutors and judges. Wathen is a former Maine chief justice.

Prior meetings of the panel, which is expected to issue a final report in summer, have focused on victims, Army personnel and members of Card’s family, in addition to law enforcement officials.

Card’s relatives said during a hearing last week that they struggled to get help for him as his mental health declined and his behavior became more erratic. At another hearing, a fellow reservist detailed his attempts to flag Card’s decline for their superiors.

An interim report issued by the panel in March said law enforcement should have seized Card’s guns and put him in protective custody before he committed the shooting.
 

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