NATALIE HOLLOWAY: Alabama vs. Joran van der Sloot for Extortion, Wire Fraud of Beth Holloway (suspect in disappearance of Natalie Holloway) *GUILTY*

Joran van der Sloot faces arraignment today in Beth Holloway extortion case

Van der Sloot allegedly extorted Natalee Holloway's mother, falsely claiming he would would lead her to the Mountain Brook teen's body in Aruba.

www.al.com

• Published: Jun. 09, 2023, 8:28 a.m.
• By Carol Robinson | crobinson@al.com

Joran van der Sloot is expected to face arraignment this morning in a Birmingham federal courtroom on charges he tried to extort the mother of missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.

Follow us here throughout the day for updates.

Van der Sloot was extradited on Thursday from Peru, where he is serving 28 years for the 2010 murder of college student Stephany Flores, to Alabama.

The 35-year-old was whisked from a Birmingham airport to the Hoover City Jail.

He is expected to be arraigned at 11 a.m. today at the federal courthouse in Birmingham.

Although van der Sloot has long been suspected in the disappearance and death of the Mountain Brook High School graduate visiting Aruba in 2005, he has never been charged in connection to her death.

However, federal authorities in Alabama contend that in 2010 van der Sloot exploited the fear of Holloway’s mother, Beth, that she would never find her daughter’s body or know what happened to her unless she paid him $250,000.

For an initial payment of $25,000, he would take the Holloway representative to the location of Natalee’s body. Once the body was recovered and confirmed to be Natalee, he said, he would then collect the remaining $225,000.

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“I am hopeful some small semblance of justice will finally be realized may finally be realized, even though no act of justice will heal the pain we’ve endured,” a statement from Beth Holloway on Thursday read.

“For 18 years, I have lived with the unbearable pain of Natalee’s loss. Each day has been filled with unanswered questions and a longing for justice that has eluded us at every turn,” Holloway said.

“At the end of this, he has to be returned to Peru,” Van der Sloot’s attorney in Peru, Maximo Altez told The Associated Press. He will spend “at most two years in the United States.”

 

[Summer_Breeze]

Joran van der Sloot Claimed He and His Dad Rented a Boat and 'Took Care of Things' After Natalee Holloway's Disappearance (Exclusive)

Two days after Natalee Holloway disappeared in May 2005, Joran van der Sloot and his father Paulus rented a boat and "took care of things," he claimed in a never-before-seen email to a friend.

themessenger.com

Published 09/23/23 10:00 AM ET|
Updated 19 hr ago
Steve Helling

wo days after Natalee Holloway disappeared in May 2005, Joran van der Sloot and his father Paulus rented a boat and "took care of things," he claimed in a never-before-seen email to a friend.

The 2010 email message, which was obtained by The Messenger, was sent to someone named "David G." from van der Sloot's Yahoo! email address. It is just one more claim that van der Sloot has made about the fate of the Alabama high school senior who went missing on a class trip to Aruba.

The 18-year-old's body was never found. She was last seen with van der Sloot, but he has never been charged with her death.

However, van der Sloot, now 35, is facing federal charges in the U.S. for allegedly lying about Holloway's whereabouts and extorting money from her parents.

In an email, which was obtained by federal prosecutors from the same Yahoo! account he used to contact Holloway's family, van der Sloot described his actions in the days after she went missing.

"My dad got a boat two days later," he wrote to David G. "We went for a ride and took care of things. That's all I'm going to say."

Aruba police have followed up with numerous boat operators in the 18 years since Holloway's disappearance — and The Messenger has learned that investigators recently interviewed another boat operator to determine whether he was involved in dumping the teen's body.

"It's always seemed most likely that she was taken out on a boat," an Aruba investigator tells The Messenger. "But the key is figuring out who would have taken him out there to do it. He and his father didn't have a boat of their own."

The boat revelation is nothing new, although the details have changed: in February 2008, Dutch journalists Peter De Vries and Patrick van der Eem aired a hidden camera interview with van der Sloot. During the conversation — during which he was smoking marijuana — van der Sloot said that Holloway had had a seizure and died as they had sex on the beach.

Then, van der Sloot claimed, he called a friend named Daury who helped him load her onto a boat. He claimed that he dumped her body at sea.

In subsequent years, van der Sloot claimed he lied to the journalists.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Joran van der Sloot Claimed He and His Dad Rented a Boat and 'Took Care of Things' After Natalee Holloway's Disappearance (Exclusive)

Two days after Natalee Holloway disappeared in May 2005, Joran van der Sloot and his father Paulus rented a boat and "took care of things," he claimed in a never-before-seen email to a friend.

themessenger.com

Published 09/23/23 10:00 AM ET|
Updated 19 hr ago
Steve Helling

wo days after Natalee Holloway disappeared in May 2005, Joran van der Sloot and his father Paulus rented a boat and "took care of things," he claimed in a never-before-seen email to a friend.

The 2010 email message, which was obtained by The Messenger, was sent to someone named "David G." from van der Sloot's Yahoo! email address. It is just one more claim that van der Sloot has made about the fate of the Alabama high school senior who went missing on a class trip to Aruba.

The 18-year-old's body was never found. She was last seen with van der Sloot, but he has never been charged with her death.

However, van der Sloot, now 35, is facing federal charges in the U.S. for allegedly lying about Holloway's whereabouts and extorting money from her parents.

In an email, which was obtained by federal prosecutors from the same Yahoo! account he used to contact Holloway's family, van der Sloot described his actions in the days after she went missing.

"My dad got a boat two days later," he wrote to David G. "We went for a ride and took care of things. That's all I'm going to say."

Aruba police have followed up with numerous boat operators in the 18 years since Holloway's disappearance — and The Messenger has learned that investigators recently interviewed another boat operator to determine whether he was involved in dumping the teen's body.

"It's always seemed most likely that she was taken out on a boat," an Aruba investigator tells The Messenger. "But the key is figuring out who would have taken him out there to do it. He and his father didn't have a boat of their own."

The boat revelation is nothing new, although the details have changed: in February 2008, Dutch journalists Peter De Vries and Patrick van der Eem aired a hidden camera interview with van der Sloot. During the conversation — during which he was smoking marijuana — van der Sloot said that Holloway had had a seizure and died as they had sex on the beach.

Then, van der Sloot claimed, he called a friend named Daury who helped him load her onto a boat. He claimed that he dumped her body at sea.

In subsequent years, van der Sloot claimed he lied to the journalists.

I think she is most likely at sea and generally always have. I also believe his daddy was involved after it happened without a doubt and the coverup.

I don't buy they had sex and she had a seizure. I guess it is possible if he drugged her but it is a self serving kind of accident statement plus she is a willing and not drugged or forced partner in HIS scenario but again, possible. However, look at him and his behavior in his next murder...

They could have rented a boat with an operator or rented one or paid enough to someone to take the boat out themselves. I won't even start on the Aruban investigation or lack of one. There are underbellies big time in most tropical vacation destinations and enough money will get you anything. If you travel to any of them and get past your first few years of being a somewhat naive "foreign" tourist, your eyes start to open and open wider each time.

I followed this case INTENSELY. I could rehash a lot. Many could I'm sure.

Praying the Holloway parents and brother get a win on this one. It should be a slam dunk imo.

He is evil and if out, would be a serial killer. His dad was a POS as well and I don't often speak ill of the dead but good riddance. Not real fond of mom either.

May Natalee rest in peace. I'm not one of the nuts who think she was sold and is alive.

 

[Summer_Breeze]

Joran van der Sloot expected to plead guilty in Natalee Holloway extortion case

Eighteen years after American teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba, longtime suspect Joran van der Sloot is expected to plead guilty to trying to extort Holloway's family.

www.nbcnewyork.com

Published October 13, 2023 • Updated on October 13, 2023 at 10:50 pm​

Court records filed Friday indicate Joran van der Sloot, the chief suspect in Natalee Holloway’s 2005 disappearance, intends to plead guilty in a federal case accusing him of trying to extort money from the missing teen’s mother.

A federal judge set an Oct. 18 plea and sentencing hearing for van der Sloot in Birmingham, Alabama. He had previously entered a plea of not guilty in the case.

Emails sent to van der Sloot's attorney and a spokeswoman for federal prosecutors were not immediately returned Friday evening

Van der Sloot was extradited to Alabama from Peru, where he’s serving a 28-year sentence after confessing to killing a Peruvian woman in 2010.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Joran van der Sloot expected to plead guilty in Natalee Holloway extortion case

Eighteen years after American teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba, longtime suspect Joran van der Sloot is expected to plead guilty to trying to extort Holloway's family.

www.nbcnewyork.com

Published October 13, 2023 • Updated on October 13, 2023 at 10:50 pm​

Court records filed Friday indicate Joran van der Sloot, the chief suspect in Natalee Holloway’s 2005 disappearance, intends to plead guilty in a federal case accusing him of trying to extort money from the missing teen’s mother.

A federal judge set an Oct. 18 plea and sentencing hearing for van der Sloot in Birmingham, Alabama. He had previously entered a plea of not guilty in the case.

Emails sent to van der Sloot's attorney and a spokeswoman for federal prosecutors were not immediately returned Friday evening

Van der Sloot was extradited to Alabama from Peru, where he’s serving a 28-year sentence after confessing to killing a Peruvian woman in 2010.

Good. Although it kind of keeps it doesn't it from testimony and more and the facts of what he did or tried to extort etc. from coming out again and so on.

There is no win here for any side. Get his stinky arse back out of the US imo unless we can imprison him on our turf but don't think that's the case.

This move of his is again kind of denying again isn't it the Holloway's day in court...

There just isn't a win here as the win should be but of course I'd be critical if he fought this too... It'\s a minor charge for him compared to all else...

The Aruban authorities and his dad and others will face judgment one day that not only did he kill Natalee but because of their lack of getting justice AND covering for him/them, another woman died!

Joran you will meet the ultimate judge one day. Count on it.

 

[Summer_Breeze]

Joran van der Sloot to reveal new details about Natalee Holloway’s death, source says

Van der Sloot is expected to plead guilty Wednesday in federal court after pleading not guilty to extortion and wire fraud charges earlier this summer.

www.wtoc.com

By Jonathan Hardison and Gray News staff
Published: Oct. 16, 2023 at 3:44 PM EDT|
Updated: 13 hours ago

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WBRC/Gray News) - The public will learn new details about the circumstances surrounding the death of Natalee Holloway at a change-of-plea and sentencing hearing for the prime suspect in her death, Joran van der Sloot, sources confirmed to WBRC.

Van der Sloot is expected to plead guilty Wednesday in federal court after pleading not guilty to extortion and wire fraud charges earlier this summer.

Van der Sloot is the chief suspect in the disappearance of Mountain Brook, Alabama, teen Natalee Holloway.

Holloway family attorney John Kelly told NBC News that van der Sloot will reveal new details about Holloway’s death as part of the plea agreement expected to be unsealed in court. It is a development sources confirmed to WBRC and is expected to happen inside the Hugo L. Black Federal Courthouse in downtown Birmingham.

Kelly told NBC News that part of the agreement was to reveal how Holloway died.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Joran van der Sloot to reveal new details about Natalee Holloway’s death, source says

Van der Sloot is expected to plead guilty Wednesday in federal court after pleading not guilty to extortion and wire fraud charges earlier this summer.

www.wtoc.com

By Jonathan Hardison and Gray News staff
Published: Oct. 16, 2023 at 3:44 PM EDT|
Updated: 13 hours ago

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WBRC/Gray News) - The public will learn new details about the circumstances surrounding the death of Natalee Holloway at a change-of-plea and sentencing hearing for the prime suspect in her death, Joran van der Sloot, sources confirmed to WBRC.

Van der Sloot is expected to plead guilty Wednesday in federal court after pleading not guilty to extortion and wire fraud charges earlier this summer.

Van der Sloot is the chief suspect in the disappearance of Mountain Brook, Alabama, teen Natalee Holloway.

Holloway family attorney John Kelly told NBC News that van der Sloot will reveal new details about Holloway’s death as part of the plea agreement expected to be unsealed in court. It is a development sources confirmed to WBRC and is expected to happen inside the Hugo L. Black Federal Courthouse in downtown Birmingham.

Kelly told NBC News that part of the agreement was to reveal how Holloway died.

Forgive me if I don't get too excited. The man has promised and offered this before and extorted which is why he is here. He has lied, given different stories and toyed evilly with her parents. Why would anyone believe what ever version he offers now? I guess we could think he has seen the light and now is going to try a new way, telling the truth i hopes of getting mercy and a lesser sentence, etc. but again I'll believe it when I see it. I honestly don't know how anyone, court, parents, us can know it is the truth unless he is going to deliver her body and even if he will/can, the story of how it came to be will likely be false BUT at least she'd be home. That's assuming there is a body that can be located.

I'm not going to hold my breath on this one but I guess or would hope he has to offer something real for them to make this deal or something different than prior. IF he admits to murdering her (which he won't imo) maybe they will then charge him with her murder BUT I don't think he will. It will be accident, natural and then a cover up or something and the statute will have run on that. Only murder has the statute not run on and I'm not even sure Aruba has the same statute of limitations we do on murder.

He is such an evil sleaze bag.

 

[Kimster]

Forgive me if I don't get too excited. The man has promised and offered this before and extorted which is why he is here. He has lied, given different stories and toyed evilly with her parents. Why would anyone believe what ever version he offers now? I guess we could think he has seen the light and now is going to try a new way, telling the truth i hopes of getting mercy and a lesser sentence, etc. but again I'll believe it when I see it. I honestly don't know how anyone, court, parents, us can know it is the truth unless he is going to deliver her body and even if he will/can, the story of how it came to be will likely be false BUT at least she'd be home. That's assuming there is a body that can be located.

I'm not going to hold my breath on this one but I guess or would hope he has to offer something real for them to make this deal or something different than prior. IF he admits to murdering her (which he won't imo) maybe they will then charge him with her murder BUT I don't think he will. It will be accident, natural and then a cover up or something and the statute will have run on that. Only murder has the statute not run on and I'm not even sure Aruba has the same statute of limitations we do on murder.

He is such an evil sleaze bag.

Exactly what I was thinking - and I'm not holding my breath either.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Exactly what I was thinking - and I'm not holding my breath either.

I guess we shall see... Even if another ploy and game by him I can understand the parents going for any shot at more info and even more lies as if the latter, it just gives more ammo and shows everyone AGAIN what an evil POS he is and hopefully if he pulls something again it would be chargeable/a new charge.

 

[Summer_Breeze]

Joran van der Sloot confesses to 2005 murder of Natalee Holloway in Aruba: Court records

Joran van der Sloot, long the chief suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba, has pleaded guilty to extortion charges.

www.usatoday.com

Eric Lagatta
USA TODAY
October 18, 2023

Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the unsolved disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, has confessed to killing her and disposing of her remains before attempting to extort the girl's grieving family, multiple outlets are reporting.

The revelation came via U.S. Judge Anna Manasco Wednesday during a sentencing hearing in U.S. federal court where van der Sloot, 36, agreed to plead guilty to charges accusing him of extortion and wire fraud charges.

Federal prosecutors accused van der Sloot in a 2010 indictment of hatching a plot to sell information about the whereabouts of Holloway’s remains to her grieving family in exchange for $250,000. The Dutch national, who had been serving a 28-year prison sentence in South America for the 2010 murder of a Peruvian business woman, was extradited to the U.S. in June to stand trial in the Northern District of Alabama.


Van der Sloot has not been charged in Holloway's presumed death. The federal charges to which he confessed were the only ones to have ever been linked to the disappearance of Holloway, who was last seen in May 2005 and later declared dead.

As a condition of the plea deal, van der Sloot agreed to reveal how Holloway died and how her body was disposed of, the Associated Press reported. He was sentenced Wednesday to 20 years in prison, but as part of his plea agreement, that sentence will run concurrently with his sentence in Peru on the murder case.

USA TODAY has reached out to attorneys representing van der Sloot and the U.S. for more information.

Manasco said she considered van der Sloot’s confession to Holloway's murder and the destruction of her remains as part of the sentencing decision.

“You have brutally murdered, in separate instances years apart, two young women who refused your sexual advances,” the judge said, per AP.

Holloway's mother, Beth, told assembled reporters after the hearing that van der Sloot admitted to killing the teenager on a beach before dumping her into the water. Though van der Sloot cannot be tried in the U.S. for the apparent murder even with a confession, Beth said in prepared remarks that the knowledge gave her a sense of peace.

"It's been a long and painful journey, but we finally got the answers we've been searching for for all these years," Beth said. "I'm satisfied knowing that he did it, he did it alone and he disposed of her alone."

 

[Guess Who]

Joran van der Sloot confesses to 2005 murder of Natalee Holloway in Aruba: Court records

Joran van der Sloot, long the chief suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba, has pleaded guilty to extortion charges.

www.usatoday.com

Eric Lagatta
USA TODAY
October 18, 2023

Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the unsolved disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, has confessed to killing her and disposing of her remains before attempting to extort the girl's grieving family, multiple outlets are reporting.

The revelation came via U.S. Judge Anna Manasco Wednesday during a sentencing hearing in U.S. federal court where van der Sloot, 36, agreed to plead guilty to charges accusing him of extortion and wire fraud charges.

Federal prosecutors accused van der Sloot in a 2010 indictment of hatching a plot to sell information about the whereabouts of Holloway’s remains to her grieving family in exchange for $250,000. The Dutch national, who had been serving a 28-year prison sentence in South America for the 2010 murder of a Peruvian business woman, was extradited to the U.S. in June to stand trial in the Northern District of Alabama.


Van der Sloot has not been charged in Holloway's presumed death. The federal charges to which he confessed were the only ones to have ever been linked to the disappearance of Holloway, who was last seen in May 2005 and later declared dead.

As a condition of the plea deal, van der Sloot agreed to reveal how Holloway died and how her body was disposed of, the Associated Press reported. He was sentenced Wednesday to 20 years in prison, but as part of his plea agreement, that sentence will run concurrently with his sentence in Peru on the murder case.

USA TODAY has reached out to attorneys representing van der Sloot and the U.S. for more information.

Manasco said she considered van der Sloot’s confession to Holloway's murder and the destruction of her remains as part of the sentencing decision.

“You have brutally murdered, in separate instances years apart, two young women who refused your sexual advances,” the judge said, per AP.

Holloway's mother, Beth, told assembled reporters after the hearing that van der Sloot admitted to killing the teenager on a beach before dumping her into the water. Though van der Sloot cannot be tried in the U.S. for the apparent murder even with a confession, Beth said in prepared remarks that the knowledge gave her a sense of peace.

"It's been a long and painful journey, but we finally got the answers we've been searching for for all these years," Beth said. "I'm satisfied knowing that he did it, he did it alone and he disposed of her alone."

But who will actually believe him???

 

[Kimster]

If Beth believes him and it gives her peace, I'm satisfied.

But who will actually believe him???

 

[Guess Who]

If Beth believes him and it gives her peace, I'm satisfied.

I guess that's the only way to look at it. Doesn't mean that most of us will believe the story he tells though. Hopefully she sees through him better now. He's already scammed her prior.

 

[Kimster]

I guess that's the only way to look at it. Doesn't mean that most of us will believe the story he tells though. Hopefully she sees through him better now. He's already scammed her prior.

I hear ya. I just hope he doesn't get bored next year and comes up with another story again. And if he does, I hope Beth ignores him.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206824624/natalee-holloway-joran-van-der-sloot-guilty-extortion-death-aruba

18 years after she disappeared, Natalee Holloway's family finally has answers​

For Beth Holloway, it wasn't the guilty plea she would have liked to see. "I can tell you with certainty that after 18 years, Natalie's case is solved as far as I'm concerned," she told reporters outside the courthouse. "It's over, it's over. Joran van der Sloot is no longer the suspect in my daughter's murder. He is the killer."

Holloway said specific details about what van der Sloot did the night he killed her daughter would come later. But she spoke in court that he bludgeoned her after she rebuffed his sexual advances and dumped her body in the ocean. Addressing van der Sloot directly she said, "You are a killer and I want you to remember that every time you hear that cell door close."

A judge sentenced van der Sloot to 20 years in a U.S. federal prison. First he will be returned to Peru to complete serving time for the murder of Flores. If he serves more than 20 years there, he will not need to return to the U.S. to finish his sentence for extortion and wire fraud.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Joran Vandersloot confessed to Natalee Hollaways murder today in an American court.

CourtTV is showing the parents press conference outside the courthouse.

I put this in the basement thread. Then thought we may have made another thread for this after the 2020 crash.

He made a plea deal. He passed a lie detector test. I believe he's a psychopath, so passing a lie detector test doesn't mean much. His story sounds real.

He says he took her to the beach and they started kissing. When he started to feel her up she asked him to stop and he kept doing it and she kneed him the crotch. This angered him and he kicked her in the face. He saw a cinder block and bashed her head in.

Realizing she was dead he put her in the water.

This is according to a CourtTV correspondent who was in the court room.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206824624/natalee-holloway-joran-van-der-sloot-guilty-extortion-death-aruba

18 years after she disappeared, Natalee Holloway's family finally has answers​

For Beth Holloway, it wasn't the guilty plea she would have liked to see. "I can tell you with certainty that after 18 years, Natalie's case is solved as far as I'm concerned," she told reporters outside the courthouse. "It's over, it's over. Joran van der Sloot is no longer the suspect in my daughter's murder. He is the killer."

Holloway said specific details about what van der Sloot did the night he killed her daughter would come later. But she spoke in court that he bludgeoned her after she rebuffed his sexual advances and dumped her body in the ocean. Addressing van der Sloot directly she said, "You are a killer and I want you to remember that every time you hear that cell door close."

A judge sentenced van der Sloot to 20 years in a U.S. federal prison. First he will be returned to Peru to complete serving time for the murder of Flores. If he serves more than 20 years there, he will not need to return to the U.S. to finish his sentence for extortion and wire fraud.

I wonder if Aruba can try him now?

 

[Cousin Dupree]

I also wonder if the two brothers who were with them participated in a rape. They said nothing at the time. IIRC, they were jailed for a couple of weeks trying to break them.

Since JV is probably a psychopath he could still lie and pass a lie detector test. Psychopaths are incapable of feeling remorse, so passing a polygraph is not hard for them.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well he confessed to killing her I guess and that's big. And disposing of her at sea. And actually the simplest explanation also first thought I think probably is the case usually on the initial facts, however a huge runaround began immediately after and not just by Joran. I'm going to guess there was MAYBE some deal where family got more details, where, how, etc. OR just admitting murder is what they held onto and wanted which is understandable.

What I mean is how did he get her out to sea and where and how is it no one else was involved with that that satisfies? Boat? Etc. And where in Aruba at what spot did this happen?

I feel it up to the family if they feel it sufficient, I mean admission to her murder is the biggest no doubt and key thing when they could get not justice from ARUBA, that matters to them at this point. And perhaps settled for that and who can blame them.

However maybe they have a bit more detail than we will hear. I hope they do, if wanted.

The Aruban authorities are a JOKE and as corrupt as it comes. Or were at that time but I'd bet still are undoubtedly. This bunch could have NEVER gotten away with all the b.s and I am just talking in the AFTERMATH if they had not been allowing it and letting it go on. Foreign tropical places are awesome and all happy but make no mistake aboutt them if you go for long enough to the same place and have any smarts you will pick up on the underbelly that exists in almost all. Imo. Many "kids" come back "safe" from such trips but make no mistake even adults are at risk that are naive to it.

i actually think her family would likely agree.

I think it is b.s he got concurrent and Lord knows if it is the entire truth but he DID admit to murdering her right?

That is HUGE. Nothing however will ever convince me this "man" has changed and wouldn't do the same again. OR that he did this out of remorse or feeling for the Holloways. It is his only chance to clear this and hope to then work on the next thing to get out or one day get out. He would do the same again. He already had. There was a number two. There would NOT have been and she wouldn't be dead had Aruban authorities DONE their JOB and not played games and covered as well. Dad, the Kalpoes, the stories...

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Well he confessed to killing her I guess and that's big. And disposing of her at sea. And actually the simplest explanation also first thought I think probably is the case usually on the initial facts, however a huge runaround began immediately after and not just by Joran. I'm going to guess there was MAYBE some deal where family got more details, where, how, etc. OR just admitting murder is what they held onto and wanted which is understandable.

What I mean is how did he get her out to sea and where and how is it no one else was involved with that that satisfies? Boat? Etc. And where in Aruba at what spot did this happen?

I feel it up to the family if they feel it sufficient, I mean admission to her murder is the biggest no doubt and key thing when they could get not justice from ARUBA, that matters to them at this point. And perhaps settled for that and who can blame them.

However maybe they have a bit more detail than we will hear. I hope they do, if wanted.

The Aruban authorities are a JOKE and as corrupt as it comes. Or were at that time but I'd bet still are undoubtedly. This bunch could have NEVER gotten away with all the b.s and I am just talking in the AFTERMATH if they had not been allowing it and letting it go on. Foreign tropical places are awesome and all happy but make no mistake aboutt them if you go for long enough to the same place and have any smarts you will pick up on the underbelly that exists in almost all. Imo. Many "kids" come back "safe" from such trips but make no mistake even adults are at risk that are naive to it.

i actually think her family would likely agree.

I think it is b.s he got concurrent and Lord knows if it is the entire truth but he DID admit to murdering her right?

That is HUGE. Nothing however will ever convince me this "man" has changed and wouldn't do the same again. OR that he did this out of remorse or feeling for the Holloways. It is his only chance to clear this and hope to then work on the next thing to get out or one day get out. He would do the same again. He already had. There was a number two. There would NOT have been and she wouldn't be dead had Aruban authorities DONE their JOB and not played games and covered as well. Dad, the Kalpoes, the stories...

IIRC, the Aruban authorities weren't the problem. It was his father, a judge in Norway(?) Who wielded a lot of power in Aruba that kept the police from questioning him.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I wonder if Aruba can try him now?

That has crossed my mind as well BUT look at who we are talking about. The Aruban corrupt authorties. However, we can hope I guess. It did cross my mind but he will just say it was b.s that he fed Beth and not true and they will just do nothing about it...

I have/had the hope in the back of my head that getting an admission would let something be charged on him somewhere re Natalee BUT it is a bit hard to believe he'd do it if he wasn't guaranteed nothing else could be charged against him.

We can hope there is however some legal game against him at foot here but I doubt it... BUT Beth always has this admission if EVER the chance comes...

We can dream though, perhaps Aruba is going to charge him with her murder the minute this one is cut and dried. It would gain them some "face" back and maybe even make a few believe it isn't as corrupt as all get out any longer.