CA ORRIN WEST & ORSON WEST: Missing from California City, CA - 21 Dec 2020 - Age 3 & 4 *GUILTY*

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I tried to find it anyway and I couldn't. But here's a clip of what I was talking about.


I too heard they found a gift bag with Orson's name on it and yet I find some of the Youtubers kind of noncommittal when it is mentioned. I suppose the reason for that is LE is not going to confirm to anyone whether it is confirmed to be his/theirs or if it could be planted?

Let's say it is for real. What would that mean? Sadly my first thought is of the "mom" wrapping and it would be a way to make it look as if they did wander off...? My mind goes to her wrapping (they say there is a bit of truth in most things) and this was gift packaging...
 
Statement released from adoptive family:




Why didn't they mention the death threats the first time when they explained why they weren't helping with the search? :thinking:

This all sounds very good doesn't it? It seems to imply the other children are being protected due to threats, etc. It is not the impression most of us received from law enforcement as to why they were taken... Not at all.

The birth fathers collaboratively gave up their rights? Not to get picky with wording but what...? They put their heads together about their respective children and presented a united front or something to have them taken from the mother...? On the other hand, such things probably do happen and I would definitely look into that... Otherwise, I consider it a very poor choice of wording... I will give the bio mom this, despite it brings on attacks, she was not shy about being out there about her boys. Bio dads certainly are...

Death threats within 24 hours and to extended family tons of miles away too? Could be I guess but I know I never heard of the case until I think Christmas Day, days after they went "allegedly" went missing. Maybe it was out there elsewhere on some smaller or local level and I also don't do FB, etc. so who knows...

Amongst all the other red flags is to me, at the core of it, TWO children went missing and not a sign of them. At minimum, I don't believe someone turned their back for just a minute or two... Not that that "exact time frame" was given but it is the impression given... It was cold, shiver, shiver, arms tucked, swaying... Chalk... Wrapping... Throwing wood...

I just don't know...
 
Here is a short news clip with LE mentioning the gift bag. Thought I would just add it so we have it here.

 
I see the statement was already posted, just a recent article about it...


Adoptive family of missing California City boys issues statement​

The extended family of two missing California City boys — Orson and Orrin West — have issued a statement Sunday expressing their hopes for the boys’ safe return home, that they are cooperating with authorities and have involved a team of private investigators.

“Our priority is to find out where our boys are and their safe return. The truth has to and will come to light,” the statement attributed to the West family said Sunday night.

The statement posted to Medium and shared with 17 News also says members of the extended West family have received death threats since Orson’s and Orrin’s disappearances. The statement says family members had been advised to avoid the public because of the intensity and amount of threats they had received.

The West home in California City has been targeted by rocks, and attempted break-ins according to the family’s statement.

Meanwhile, the family said it is still in shock over the boys’ disappearance nearly two weeks ago and are fully cooperating with authorities and ask that anyone with information contact the California City Police Department at 760-373-8606, the Bakersfield Police Department at 661-327-7111 or the FBI Field Office in Los Angeles at 310-477-6565.
 
This case has been pretty quiet on the law enforcement front to my knowledge at least.

The West family put out another statement so there are two now. No one seems to know who put these out and yet they claim to represent, the way I understand it, both the adoptive mother's relatives and the adoptive father's relatives, but not the adoptive parents...

Personally, I find the letters strange. The second letter details every state and location in the US in which there are relatives. For the life of me, I cannot understand what the point of that is or why? While I get not giving a name or location of the writer for safety's sake perhaps, it is also impossible to know that this "person" represents every single member of both families and that they are all in agreement with him/her as stated. It actually is impossible to know if they are even truly from a family member. Perhaps whoever they were first given to knows the source, I have no idea...

To me they are a deflection or seem like one. I have not delved into it in any depth but no one seems to know where they came from so to speak. At least with the bio grandfather, one knows his words are his.
 
This case has been pretty quiet on the law enforcement front to my knowledge at least.

The West family put out another statement so there are two now. No one seems to know who put these out and yet they claim to represent, the way I understand it, both the adoptive mother's relatives and the adoptive father's relatives, but not the adoptive parents...

Personally, I find the letters strange. The second letter details every state and location in the US in which there are relatives. For the life of me, I cannot understand what the point of that is or why? While I get not giving a name or location of the writer for safety's sake perhaps, it is also impossible to know that this "person" represents every single member of both families and that they are all in agreement with him/her as stated. It actually is impossible to know if they are even truly from a family member. Perhaps whoever they were first given to knows the source, I have no idea...

To me they are a deflection or seem like one. I have not delved into it in any depth but no one seems to know where they came from so to speak. At least with the bio grandfather, one knows his words are his.
Do you have a link for their 2nd statement?
 
If they’re getting so many death threats, why are they stating where everybody lives? I don’t care where their family lives. I wanna know where the boys are!

I was wondering if they even lived in California City at all, but they did say that the dogs hit on their scent in the house.
 
If they’re getting so many death threats, why are they stating where everybody lives? I don’t care where their family lives. I wanna know where the boys are!

I was wondering if they even lived in California City at all, but they did say that the dogs hit on their scent in the house.
That's what I thought too, why LIST your locations? Now I have heard the uncle who I think is the writer of the letters lives in Washington, DC and/or travels a lot and apparently is high up or a leader in the NAACP or something...

There is an interesting video at AV United Watchmen We Stand. I need to point out a few things. First, it is very long. Second, there will dead parts and a lot of blank time in it that gets a bit frustrating at times but if you hang in there, they are at the neighbors watching their security footage. First of all, it shows that on the 19th of December four children get in the van and the two parents. This is two days before they went missing. Now everyone says it is those two missing but I sure can't tell in the photos but it would make sense since they are the two missing. They would not be leaving them home alone, etc... The parents came back alone with no children. They had claimed they went shopping in Bakersfield and maybe they did, but this also looks to be when the four were likely dropped off with grandparent(s) maybe? It is a bit ominous as the boys then were not present before the 21st.

Then there is video on the 21st of when the boys disappeared. It shows the dad not even looking in the empty lot, etc. He gets in his van purportedly looking for them and that does not seem right if you watch it. He goes in only one direction and comes right back. Then he stands/hides under a tree waiting for police probably once he calls them in missing. Several minutes and he is not looking around for the boys whatsoever. It is all pretty suspicious.

The neighbor also pointed out how they always park the van to hide sight of cameras and use the passenger door to hide sight from people or cameras of who comes out, etc. It is quite odd. They hustle the four that go into the van and you can just barely see heads because the door blocks... Even stranger is the dad enters to get in the driver's seat through the passenger door... Again, that side does not show to the street where this neighbor said another neighbor has cameras I think across the way... To me, it all adds up to nothing good.

Then later in the video, the Youtuber is talking with a woman who is also out there and seems to maybe have been doing some investigation online and there on her own too. That is interesting as well. I have not finished all of that part yet. The uncle has attacked her online and such and makes no attempt at civility I gather, but you can see it for yourself. She has a phone full of posts and answers and pictures she took before they were taken down, etc. Screenshots and so forth. I gather the uncle put something out and even named the wrong day the boys disappeared, he said the 20th. People pointed it out and he quicky changed it.

All in all when you put everything here and the rest of what we know together, it is pretty suspicious... I am starting to think maybe the boys were never there like some others do and perhaps the scent is from clothing or something? Or they were there but they were killed far prior from sometime in September onward...? I have come to realize that it is possible too that each boy did not disappear or die at the same time... We are told two disappeared on the 21st but that comes from the adoptive parents of course so who knows... When were they last seen however...?

 
I would add that also prior to the dad being out there, the neighbor stated the video never shows the boys out there even earlier. Now granted there is a fence but you could see the dog through the slats when it would go around in the back yard so movement by the boys would have been noted on the camera too... IF they were out there.

It all does not look very good...
 
it would be easy to give "A" scent to LE, but was it really even their scent? Who knows, it could have been from something they picked up at Goodwill or similar. That sure would explain why only in the house and not outside.
That's a good point. The parents could have handed them an item from another child... How could they ever be sure?
 
Allegedly I hear now the uncle is the VP of the NAACP. I don't know but there are hints of they think they have a "somebody" in their family because of him. Or at least it is the way it comes across... It's like naming all of the various states the family is from and such. That's all well and great, so they have someone like him and a ton of relatives, we get it, but all it does is distract from the fact these boys are missing imo.

I sure wish LE would do an update. They were all over this case and searches at first and now crickets.
 
Allegedly I hear now the uncle is the VP of the NAACP. I don't know but there are hints of they think they have a "somebody" in their family because of him. Or at least it is the way it comes across... It's like naming all of the various states the family is from and such. That's all well and great, so they have someone like him and a ton of relatives, we get it, but all it does is distract from the fact these boys are missing imo.

I sure wish LE would do an update. They were all over this case and searches at first and now crickets.
They're working on it, believe me.
 

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