TN RILEY STRAIN: Missing from Nashville, TN - 8 March 2024 - Age 22 *Found Deceased*

Man, 22, reported missing after being kicked out of Luke Bryan's Nashville bar

A man is missing after he was kicked out of a popular bar on lower Broadway last Friday, Metro Police confirm.

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College senior, 22, reported missing after walking off from Luke Bryan's Nashville bar
A family is frantically searching for their son, a University of Missouri student, who hasn't been seen since last Friday after leaving a Broadway bar. Metro Police report Riley Strain, 22, left Luke Bryan’s bar at 301 Broadway, intoxicated, after he was asked to leave.

Strain is a senior at the university, majoring in finance. As of Tuesday, he has been missing for four days.

Strain traveled with his fraternity brothers to Nashville for a convention. He told his friends he’d walk back to their hotel, the Tempo by Hilton, about five blocks away. The bar staff felt he had too much to drink, according to his family. Strain's stepfather Chris Whiteid said there was no hostility.

However, it appears Strain went in the opposite direction when he left, about 9:45 p.m. His cell phone last pinged around 10 to 10:30 p.m. near Public Square Park, close to Gay Street and the river.

Strain’s phone pinged on the Life360 and Snapchat apps, and from Verizon’s tower about 30 to 45 minutes after he left the bar. However, Strain’s phone has not been active since.

When Strain’s friends returned to the hotel later that night, they assumed he was in another room. However, the next morning, when they realized Strain had not returned, they called his parents and police.

Strain’s family drove immediately from Missouri when they were told he was missing. Metro police and Strain’s relatives combed nearby streets downtown, parking garages, hospitals, and along the river. However, there has been no reported sign of the young man, who is 6 feet 7 inches, and about 160 pounds, according to his stepfather.

Police release surveillance video of missing Mizzou student last seen in Nashville

Nashville police released surveillance video of a missing University of Missouri student on Tuesday.

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Police release surveillance video of missing Mizzou student last seen in Nashville​

Nashville police released surveillance video of a missing University of Missouri student on Tuesday.

The video was captured Friday night, when 22-year-old Riley Strain disappeared.

In the video, Strain, seen in a two-toned shirt, crosses the street (right to left across the screen), checking his phone. He stops and changes directions for a minute before proceeding down the street.


MEDIA - RILEY STRAIN: Missing from Nashville, TN - 8 March 2024 - Age 22

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

What is the incidence and significance of "dry-lungs" in bodies found in water? - PubMed

The actual incidence of death of persons found in water who have normal lungs or do not have penetration of liquid into their airways, based on our study, is much lower (below 2%) than currently assumed.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What is the incidence and significance of "dry-lungs" in bodies found in water?​

Drowning without aspiration of liquid, generally attributed to death from asphyxia while submerged and in laryngospasm, has been reported to occur in approximately 10% to 15% of drowning victims.

Drowning Without Aspiration: Is This an Appropiate Diagnosis? | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

It has been reported that 10-15 percent of drowning victims do not aspirate water.

The presumed reason for concluding that approximately 10-15 percent of drowning victims die without aspirating water is that the victim experiences laryngospasm, chest-wall spasm, or both when submerged, thus dying without taking a breath. [...] The absence of free water in the lungs of a person who is found dead in the water is not uncommon.

Dispelling Myths about Dry Drowning

UnityPoint Health provider explains the difference between drowning and dry drowning, concerning symptoms to look for in your child, and five of the best ways to prevent drowning.

www.unitypoint.org

“Dry drowning is not an actual medical condition. It's a term that's been used and sensationalized by the media to describe when lungs of drowning victims contain no water in about 10-20 percent of autopsies. The reason for this is because of laryngospasm, which is when the body forcefully closes the airways. This can happen when water is attempting to enter the lungs,” Dr. Groen says.

In fact, Dr. Groen says many drownings are actually dry, in the sense that very little water actually enters the lungs. The main problem during a drowning event is lack of oxygen to the brain.

 

[Guess Who]

Riley Strain’s body found with no pants, wallet, boots

Riley Strain went missing after getting kicked out of a bar in downtown Nashville.

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Riley Strain’s body found with no pants, wallet, boots​

When his body was recovered from the Cumberland River, Riley Strain was not wearing his pants, wallet or cowboy boots he had on the night he went missing, leaving his family and friends grappling for answers, according to a family friend.

“The only thing that was found with him, as the police stated in the report, was the watch and the shirt,” Chris Dingman said in a Wednesday interview on NewsNation’s “Elizabeth Vargas Reports.”


On Saturday, March 23, the Metro Nashville Police Department confirmed to NewsNation affiliate WKRN that Strain’s preliminary autopsy had been completed, adding his death continued to appear “accidental,” with no foul play-related trauma.

However, the family has ordered a second autopsy in hopes of obtaining more information.

“The family deserves more answers than we have,” Dingman stated.

One puzzling detail from the first autopsy was a medical examiner stating Strain had no water in his lungs, raising questions about the circumstances of his death.

“Usually, water in the lungs means that they were alive when they went into the water,” Dingman said, expressing concern over the lack of clarity in the investigation.

Despite ongoing inquiries, there are still individuals the police have yet to interview, including those from a homeless encampment near where Strain’s body was found.

“I think there’s somebody out there that knows what actually happened that night,” Dingman said.

Pants and boots could have been taken by current especially if he was relieving himself and this zipper down.

It also seems that his body would have surfaced if his lungs were full of ait???

I've already had this discussion with one of our posters about the likelihood of his pants at least being unzipped for to the phenomenon of drunk dudes that seem to have a need to relieve themselves in bodies of water.

 

[Guess Who]

What is the incidence and significance of "dry-lungs" in bodies found in water? - PubMed

The actual incidence of death of persons found in water who have normal lungs or do not have penetration of liquid into their airways, based on our study, is much lower (below 2%) than currently assumed.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What is the incidence and significance of "dry-lungs" in bodies found in water?​

Drowning without aspiration of liquid, generally attributed to death from asphyxia while submerged and in laryngospasm, has been reported to occur in approximately 10% to 15% of drowning victims.

Drowning Without Aspiration: Is This an Appropiate Diagnosis? | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

It has been reported that 10-15 percent of drowning victims do not aspirate water.

The presumed reason for concluding that approximately 10-15 percent of drowning victims die without aspirating water is that the victim experiences laryngospasm, chest-wall spasm, or both when submerged, thus dying without taking a breath. [...] The absence of free water in the lungs of a person who is found dead in the water is not uncommon.

Dispelling Myths about Dry Drowning

UnityPoint Health provider explains the difference between drowning and dry drowning, concerning symptoms to look for in your child, and five of the best ways to prevent drowning.

www.unitypoint.org

“Dry drowning is not an actual medical condition. It's a term that's been used and sensationalized by the media to describe when lungs of drowning victims contain no water in about 10-20 percent of autopsies. The reason for this is because of laryngospasm, which is when the body forcefully closes the airways. This can happen when water is attempting to enter the lungs,” Dr. Groen says.

In fact, Dr. Groen says many drownings are actually dry, in the sense that very little water actually enters the lungs. The main problem during a drowning event is lack of oxygen to the brain.

And that water was COLD!

 

[GrandmaBear]

I know of 3 that encouraged their kids to get into the "party" frat. One of them was in the same frat as the kid that is permanently damaged from drinking in a hazing incident. This kid's initiation was to be the next and goes to the same school and is in the same year as Riley. He's also already had more than one MIP and the parents brag about it with their bar friends.

Believe it or not the MO connection never struck me I guess because this happened in Nashville. I knew of course he went to MO but just never thought of it being youir neck of the woods, I was more on the trip location.

So help me out, you're talking of drug possession? And the parents brag about such?

And hazing and frats.

I honestl to God have known any parent to do such but of course that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I'm not exactly a frat or sorority type nor know many. Even if so, I can't picture feeling that way about any of it.

So are you saying his parents perhaps encouraged such? Have a good time son, just work hard but party with your frat brothers and get through iniitiation too? That's an alien world to me. Even if you are talking just alcohol. Being a parent who just knows kids are apt to drink and telling them to be smart about it is one thing but that's another entirely.

And again it never really crossed my mind that this poor deceased young manw was from your state until now.

I do know the family spokesperson referred to alcohol and such once in awhile and how he's been there and the kids may have had a few and this is college and so on and such like that but any drugs and so on were more as if if someone slipped him anything.

Of course I know it is also possible kids are doing more than their parents know and perhaps especially on a trip nearing years of hard work and graduating.

I'm a bit out of the loop trying to catch up. Been one for my mom's 80th and we did a family overnight trip.

So forgive me if I don't have the conttext right but I can't get over parents bragging about MIPs and such. or encouraging hazing and so on. But then some never come out of tteir own high school or college days if that's what you mean. There isn't anything cool about such risk. It's understandable but I'd e worried to death as a parent.

My kids are late 30s and early 40s now and both travel a fair amount, far more than I ever have and one is even a married and they do and to this day I am an overworried mom about each and every time they do and that is NOT for a college trip or party trip, etc. One went through college and has her degree but never was a party type and still isn't. and no sorority, etc. She finished when she was a mom. But even prior.

I guess I just as cynical as I am am surprised anyone would brag or encourage such. Assuming my tired traveling day myself self is following correctly. If not, correct me please.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Pants and boots could have been taken by current especially if he was relieving himself and this zipper down.

It also seems that his body would have surfaced if his lungs were full of ait???

I've already had this discussion with one of our posters about the likelihood of his pants at least being unzipped for to the phenomenon of drunk dudes that seem to have a need to relieve themselves in bodies of water.

I can see the situation, the barge, things like that causing some of such but all these things? Put together a long with dry drowning? As a parent that would definitely leave a lot of questions for me. I'm not saying it couldn't happen but we are taking bank card lost on bank, no wallet, dry drowning, no pants and no boots and basically naked except for shirt. A heck of a lot of talk he had interaction with the homeless and more.

Possible he ended up this way on his own? I suppose POSSIBLE but no way as a parent could I not need further answers because these are LOT of things.

Or peeing, etc. And he was in the water for days.

I just would be left with a lot of questions and doubts though regardless. Might help if they find pants, find wallet... And so on.

Whether answers come or not, no way as a parent would this answer all for me and I'd always wonder and then add dry drowning... That is quite a few things to get past is all I am saying.

 

[Guess Who]

I can see the situation, the barge, things like that causing some of such but all these things? Put together a long with dry drowning? As a parent that would definitely leave a lot of questions for me. I'm not saying it couldn't happen but we are taking bank card lost on bank, no wallet, dry drowning, no pants and no boots and basically naked except for shirt. A heck of a lot of talk he had interaction with the homeless and more.

Possible he ended up this way on his own? I suppose POSSIBLE but no way as a parent could I not need further answers because these are LOT of things.

Or peeing, etc. And he was in the water for days.

I just would be left with a lot of questions and doubts though regardless. Might help if they find pants, find wallet... And so on.

Whether answers come or not, no way as a parent would this answer all for me and I'd always wonder and then add dry drowning... That is quite a few things to get past is all I am saying.

I can't blame them for not wanting to believe it at all

 

[GrandmaBear]

I can't blame them for not wanting to believe it at all

I agree on that one. Mom's heart has been on her sleeve throughout. I'd want answers. Even IF those answers don't come or aren't the ones I think explain it. It may be all "explainable" but it is a lot of things that would make one not be able to accept it necessarily if it was your own child, no doubt.

 

[Summer_Breeze]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/family-college-student-went-missing-140329592.html

Shelby Stivale
Thu, March 28, 2024 at 10:03 AM EDT

Late college student Riley Strain’s family has requested a second autopsy after the preliminary report revealed his death to be “accidental” with no foul play.

“The only thing that was found with him, as the police stated in the report, was the watch and the shirt,” Chris Dingman, a family friend of Strain’s family, told NewsNation in an interview on Wednesday, March 27. “The family deserves more answers than we have”

Multiple outlets have confirmed that the late Strain’s family had a private autopsy completed on the late student after the first report was released on Saturday, March 23.

Strain initially went missing on March 8 after being seen at Luke Bryan’s Luke’s 32 Bridge Food + Drink restaurant in Nashville. He was found dead eight miles from the city's downtown area on March 22.

 

[GrandmaBear]

One sure can't blame them. I think any parent would want another with circumstances and facts like these and a lot of unanswered questions. I would. There's a need for answers that satisfy to accept what is said happened or you will always wonder. Whether those answers will ever be known or be enough, hard to say.

I think there is enough here that the case should perhaps not be closed out. IF the pants, boots or wallet were ever found in the water, that would be on thing that would go a long way to showing how he lost them. You know both boots have to come off first or the jeans couldn't have come off. They must have an exact time of death or close as that would be when the watch hit the water ND stopped no and it would show it.

I'm not saying there was any foul play but am saying there are just a few too many questions here yet that deserve some further looks and hopefully answers.

I looked back at few pics/videos and since his shirt is not tucked in, it is impossible to tell if he is wearing a belt. While this slim kid probably has little for hips or a waist for jeans to be tugged off from in the water, they look pretty slim to the ankle opening and if he is anything like the tall dudes in our family, his feet are big. Just some thoughts.

Also it now sounds as if he would have had a wallet and that's missing yet somehow his bank card ended up out of it and not in the water.

Again I'm not saying it was foul play and there may be evidence of none, but imo that doesn't close out a case if answers can still be determined or attempted to be.

I couldn't as a parent let this go or let it stand at where it does either.

Do we know the last time he was seen and the time the watch stopped?

I don't know that a second autopsy will show different but I can see the reason for wanting one.

Tox isn't back yet either is it and that too means this case isn't closed out or that it sure shouldn't be, not yet. I'm not sure how much they can determine after two weeks in the water but it seems to me they can, can't recall, but believe we have seen it in other cases.. Anyone know? And I don't mean of just alcohol but anything he may have taken or been slipped.

How long was it between being ousted from the bar and the watch stopping? And how far had he walked? I think I've seen somewhat but don't recall.

I honestly don't see a reason to lean towards foul play but then didn't expect a number of a bit peculiar things here that may be explainable but there's just a few too many and so I think more answers need to come if possible. As a parent I KNOW I'd need that.

 

[Guess Who]

While I am convinced he simply drowned by falling in, I can't blame the parents for wanting a 2nd opinion. I AM sure that I would want one if I had absolutely any questions about the first one.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I'd want one too but I'm not sure a second autopsy is going to be the thing that brings answers. it isn't going to explain the pants, the boots, the wallet, the bank card, etc. necessarily.

Of course there is the dry drowning and seeing what is concurred there. And both should have tox. ANd perhaps they will see something the first one did not with injuries or some such. Not necessarily but maybe. I'd certainly want one.

I think many of the answers needed an autopsy isn't going to answer though.

That's where the investigation, time frame and more comes in and needs to continue for a bit anyhow. Finding his clothing in the water would go a long way, not that that would necessarily be easy. So would time frame.

 

[Kimster]

Whatever they need to start a healing process for their loss, that's what they need to do.

Sending up prayers for peace in their lives.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Riley Strain’s family waiting for tests, video, fraternity brothers

As Riley Strain’s family waits for test results, they also want to hear from fraternity brothers.

www.newsnationnow.com

Riley Strain’s family waiting for tests, video, fraternity brothers​

Two weeks since searchers found the body of Riley Strain in the Cumberland River near Nashville, his family is still looking for answers — and for some people to step up.

“We haven’t really heard much from them,” Riley’s father, Ryan Gilbert, says of his son’s fraternity brothers. “There’s a lot of things we’d like to find out from them.”

The University of Missouri student was in Nashville to party with fraternity brothers, but left them when he was ejected from a bar.

“If I was in their situation, I’d be beating down those parents’ doors to tell them everything I could and be helpful in any way that I could,” Gilbert said.

That shocks private investigator Steve Fischer, who’s been working with the family.

“This family needs peace of mind … to know if this is an accident or if something else happened. I would think everybody would be coming forward.”

Fischer also tells NewsNation’s “Elizabeth Vargas Reports” he’s hit roadblocks in his search for more surveillance video from cameras along Strain’s route to the river.

“I would like to know where the camera footage (is) from the county building that’s just past the bridge. That building has multiple cameras on it.”

But he says it’s been difficult getting cooperation from the police and from some businesses.

“I also tried to get footage from the Marathon (oil) facility right across the river. (But) once I notified law enforcement, I was kinda shut (out) of the process.”

As Fischer pursues video and other people who might have encountered Riley in March, Gilbert says the family is still waiting for toxicology test results from Strain’s body. But he says that could take another two to three months.

 

[Guess Who]

Riley Strain’s family waiting for tests, video, fraternity brothers

As Riley Strain’s family waits for test results, they also want to hear from fraternity brothers.

www.newsnationnow.com

Riley Strain’s family waiting for tests, video, fraternity brothers​

Two weeks since searchers found the body of Riley Strain in the Cumberland River near Nashville, his family is still looking for answers — and for some people to step up.

“We haven’t really heard much from them,” Riley’s father, Ryan Gilbert, says of his son’s fraternity brothers. “There’s a lot of things we’d like to find out from them.”

The University of Missouri student was in Nashville to party with fraternity brothers, but left them when he was ejected from a bar.

“If I was in their situation, I’d be beating down those parents’ doors to tell them everything I could and be helpful in any way that I could,” Gilbert said.

That shocks private investigator Steve Fischer, who’s been working with the family.

“This family needs peace of mind … to know if this is an accident or if something else happened. I would think everybody would be coming forward.”

Fischer also tells NewsNation’s “Elizabeth Vargas Reports” he’s hit roadblocks in his search for more surveillance video from cameras along Strain’s route to the river.

“I would like to know where the camera footage (is) from the county building that’s just past the bridge. That building has multiple cameras on it.”

But he says it’s been difficult getting cooperation from the police and from some businesses.

“I also tried to get footage from the Marathon (oil) facility right across the river. (But) once I notified law enforcement, I was kinda shut (out) of the process.”

As Fischer pursues video and other people who might have encountered Riley in March, Gilbert says the family is still waiting for toxicology test results from Strain’s body. But he says that could take another two to three months.

Pretty sure that they might not be beating down the doors due to being told to not talk, probably by attorneys. If they admit to ANY inkling of thinking they are responsible, they could be opening themselves up to a wrongful death lawsuit by the family's attorney. As long as they talked to the right people and didn't hide from that, I can't blame them for not talking.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Riley Strain’s family waiting for tests, video, fraternity brothers

As Riley Strain’s family waits for test results, they also want to hear from fraternity brothers.

www.newsnationnow.com

Riley Strain’s family waiting for tests, video, fraternity brothers​

Two weeks since searchers found the body of Riley Strain in the Cumberland River near Nashville, his family is still looking for answers — and for some people to step up.

“We haven’t really heard much from them,” Riley’s father, Ryan Gilbert, says of his son’s fraternity brothers. “There’s a lot of things we’d like to find out from them.”

The University of Missouri student was in Nashville to party with fraternity brothers, but left them when he was ejected from a bar.

“If I was in their situation, I’d be beating down those parents’ doors to tell them everything I could and be helpful in any way that I could,” Gilbert said.

That shocks private investigator Steve Fischer, who’s been working with the family.

“This family needs peace of mind … to know if this is an accident or if something else happened. I would think everybody would be coming forward.”

Fischer also tells NewsNation’s “Elizabeth Vargas Reports” he’s hit roadblocks in his search for more surveillance video from cameras along Strain’s route to the river.

“I would like to know where the camera footage (is) from the county building that’s just past the bridge. That building has multiple cameras on it.”

But he says it’s been difficult getting cooperation from the police and from some businesses.

“I also tried to get footage from the Marathon (oil) facility right across the river. (But) once I notified law enforcement, I was kinda shut (out) of the process.”

As Fischer pursues video and other people who might have encountered Riley in March, Gilbert says the family is still waiting for toxicology test results from Strain’s body. But he says that could take another two to three months.

I wouldn't want anything less and any parent who claims otherwise isn't being honest or trying to really put themselves in their shoes. Every answer that can come you'd need. I think during the investigation when there was hope certain things were put down to don't go there, wait, etc. The point about his friends or frat brothers is a good one. I am not saying they did anyhing wrong, just tell all and go to the parents and be available and give all answers you can, etc.

The point about cameras is a good one.

I'd not let anything get shut or closed until I knew and they found and did everything all could.

The lack of clothing, etc. on his body AND the dry drowning I wouldn't be able to let go of along with the cams talked of here and more. This all could have been purely accidental and I'm not saying it couldn't have been but I wouldn't rest without all those answers and would have a need to know.

Every single piece of video footage available should be obtained and not held and shown them IF they claim this to be accidental especially. SHOW IT.

I'm not blaming the frat brothers but tell all and why the one went up the stairs with him but then back down and returned to the bar. Did Riley say I'm fine, go have fun? Did an employee insist he come back? Etc. And if true friends, provide those answers.

I wouldn't rest. I couldn't. If nothing is wrong or off then all should just satisfy as much as they can his parents' questions, give answers, etc. from LE to friends to any business that has camera footage. ALL OF THIS.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Pretty sure that they might not be beating down the doors due to being told to not talk, probably by attorneys. If they admit to ANY inkling of thinking they are responsible, they could be opening themselves up to a wrongful death lawsuit by the family's attorney. As long as they talked to the right people and didn't hide from that, I can't blame them for not talking.

That crossed my mind, same with the bar etc. And even though I understand it, things like the Petito cases don't help. I don't begrudge them their feelings, reasons, etc. but everyone from his parents to PDs out west and so on. However if you are a true friend and so on it wouldn't stop me from telling parents all you can whether good or bad. If that's the case then make a deal it isn't about suing, I just want to know what happened to my son and tell me what you know. If anything. I don't think I could EVER be that way to a parent of a friend, to another parent, etc. In the Petito case it was that they didn't and wouldn't that caused the lawsuit.... So there's THAT and the other side of the coin on not helping these parents...

 

[Guess Who]

That crossed my mind, same with the bar etc. And even though I understand it, things like the Petito cases don't help. I don't begrudge them their feelings, reasons, etc. but everyone from his parents to PDs out west and so on. However if you are a true friend and so on it wouldn't stop me from telling parents all you can whether good or bad. If that's the case then make a deal it isn't about suing, I just want to know what happened to my son and tell me what you know. If anything. I don't think I could EVER be that way to a parent of a friend, to another parent, etc. In the Petito case it was that they didn't and wouldn't that caused the lawsuit.... So there's THAT and the other side of the coin on not helping these parents...

If their story is that they don't know what happened to him, how is saying that again and again and again and telling the parents the same thing going to solve anything?

 

[GrandmaBear]

If their story is that they don't know what happened to him, how is saying that again and again and again and telling the parents the same thing going to solve anything?

Who are you talking of? LE? The frat brothers? No clue or hint so I am going to guess the frat brothers. In either case, though, I'm talking sharing all you know and answering all you can. With the brothers that would include activities, drug usage, anyone present, anywhere they went, anything they did, drugs, people met, and so on. The reasons no one left with him and reason he was kicked out and so on.

If LE not much different--UNLESS not closed or suspicions remain, the sharing of all info, video, etc. And it shouldn't be closed, actually, because ltox isn't back from what I understand.

With the bar, fatter chance because of concern about liability, but same or similar. And on top of his being kicked out, who else was and for what reasons because that place had tons of people in it and a number of adult "kids". So what did he do versus any other person that got him kicked out.

There's a whole sh*tload of stuff unknown here yet and I' not even talking about yet AFTER he was kicked out/left.

And any parent who would be okay with not getting every answer they can or that should be provided them and just moving on, I don't buy as any parent would want and need all this. Any caring parent anyhow. Surely you don't disagree with that?

And back to if it is the frat brothers you mean, it sounds to me as if they haven't given all and haven't been fully forthcoming. Or at least lthat they don't think so. So be the friend you claim to be and answer what you can.

And hey if liability or lawsuits are going to be the next argument, agree too not pursue one if you give me answers or all you can.

And again this case should not be closed with no tox results yet.

I don't know sh*t about sh*t but this boy didn't even take a breath in the water after not long before acting normal around a cop?

And to finish, I am not saying this was not fully an accident and unfortunate end to a night of partying but the answers so far and the oddities would in no way satisfy me yet and allow me to just move on and say oh well, my son did not make the best choices and this is what happened and just accept it. And maybe those answers or all of them will ever come but they should be sought and I feel any parent would seek such. Any caring parent anyhow. Surely you don't disagree with that?

 

[Guess Who]

Who are you talking of? LE? The frat brothers? No clue or hint so I am going to guess the frat brothers. In either case, though, I'm talking sharing all you know and answering all you can. With the brothers that would include activities, drug usage, anyone present, anywhere they went, anything they did, drugs, people met, and so on. The reasons no one left with him and reason he was kicked out and so on.

If LE not much different--UNLESS not closed or suspicions remain, the sharing of all info, video, etc. And it shouldn't be closed, actually, because ltox isn't back from what I understand.

With the bar, fatter chance because of concern about liability, but same or similar. And on top of his being kicked out, who else was and for what reasons because that place had tons of people in it and a number of adult "kids". So what did he do versus any other person that got him kicked out.

There's a whole sh*tload of stuff unknown here yet and I' not even talking about yet AFTER he was kicked out/left.

And any parent who would be okay with not getting every answer they can or that should be provided them and just moving on, I don't buy as any parent would want and need all this. Any caring parent anyhow. Surely you don't disagree with that?

And back to if it is the frat brothers you mean, it sounds to me as if they haven't given all and haven't been fully forthcoming. Or at least lthat they don't think so. So be the friend you claim to be and answer what you can.

And hey if liability or lawsuits are going to be the next argument, agree too not pursue one if you give me answers or all you can.

And again this case should not be closed with no tox results yet.

I don't know sh*t about sh*t but this boy didn't even take a breath in the water after not long before acting normal around a cop?

And to finish, I am not saying this was not fully an accident and unfortunate end to a night of partying but the answers so far and the oddities would in no way satisfy me yet and allow me to just move on and say oh well, my son did not make the best choices and this is what happened and just accept it. And maybe those answers or all of them will ever come but they should be sought and I feel any parent would seek such. Any caring parent anyhow. Surely you don't disagree with that?

And again, answering those questions could open them up to a lawsuit by the family's attorney if they state the wrong thing they think might be helpful. No, I don't blame the family for wanting more answers but also can't blame these young men for not beating down their doors, especially if they told all they knew to authorities.

Would the family be happy if the story the frat brothers told the parents was that Riley was being a drunken ass and they were kind of happy he was out of their hair??? How would that kind of story or similar help their grieving? Would you want to be the one telling the parents that because they insisted you tell them what happened?

 

[Mel70]

Believe it or not the MO connection never struck me I guess because this happened in Nashville. I knew of course he went to MO but just never thought of it being youir neck of the woods, I was more on the trip location.

So help me out, you're talking of drug possession? And the parents brag about such?

And hazing and frats.

I honestl to God have known any parent to do such but of course that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I'm not exactly a frat or sorority type nor know many. Even if so, I can't picture feeling that way about any of it.

So are you saying his parents perhaps encouraged such? Have a good time son, just work hard but party with your frat brothers and get through iniitiation too? That's an alien world to me. Even if you are talking just alcohol. Being a parent who just knows kids are apt to drink and telling them to be smart about it is one thing but that's another entirely.

And again it never really crossed my mind that this poor deceased young manw was from your state until now.

I do know the family spokesperson referred to alcohol and such once in awhile and how he's been there and the kids may have had a few and this is college and so on and such like that but any drugs and so on were more as if if someone slipped him anything.

Of course I know it is also possible kids are doing more than their parents know and perhaps especially on a trip nearing years of hard work and graduating.

I'm a bit out of the loop trying to catch up. Been one for my mom's 80th and we did a family overnight trip.

So forgive me if I don't have the conttext right but I can't get over parents bragging about MIPs and such. or encouraging hazing and so on. But then some never come out of tteir own high school or college days if that's what you mean. There isn't anything cool about such risk. It's understandable but I'd e worried to death as a parent.

My kids are late 30s and early 40s now and both travel a fair amount, far more than I ever have and one is even a married and they do and to this day I am an overworried mom about each and every time they do and that is NOT for a college trip or party trip, etc. One went through college and has her degree but never was a party type and still isn't. and no sorority, etc. She finished when she was a mom. But even prior.

I guess I just as cynical as I am am surprised anyone would brag or encourage such. Assuming my tired traveling day myself self is following correctly. If not, correct me please.

Actually, "The University Missouri" Is in "Columbia". Not near her. My grandparents' farm was about 45 north. I've been there many times. Sheryl graduated from there.