JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events

• April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
• December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
• February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
• February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
• June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
• July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
• August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
• September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
• September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
• September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
• September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
• October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
• October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
• October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
• October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
• Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
• November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
• November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
• December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
• December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
• December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
• January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
• January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

The latest timeline in the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell cases - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

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[GrandmaBear]

Chad always acted surprised about everything. Or did he? He seemed so to us regular folk, but maybe he's just got strange looks about him. He's not your normal run-of-the-mill personality, IMO.

Yeah I think that's his act that he has down pat and it truly doesn't fly the more one learned/learns. I think it's a long practiced way, look, act and his norm.

For some reason one pic keeps standing out to me (a few do but this one for some reason does with some things), do you recall the pic in a kitchen I think maybe with cookies baked there were all the women and Chad the only male... I seem to recall it seemed like Halloween (how fitting) and it struck me as a bunch of witches with their supreme smug male smirky leader... Some people judged them high or drunk...

Linda constantly talks of his "duper's delight" and I agree 100 fold and there's times it can be glimpsed. This man is proud of what he's pulled on others and that even imo extendsn to Lori, to his own children and to all... He is IMO deeply evil and what is underneath his surface is barely known...

 

[GrandmaBear]

That's a good point. And I happen to know that body cameras for law enforcement are not cheap. They have all kinds of regulations up and down that are required for using them, which jacks up the price from what us regular folk would pay for a go pro.

exactly. it isn't long ago I recall fire departments trying to raise private money for certain types of equipment or cameras to find bodies/people in my smallish town with a PAID city funded FD. And yeah then they complicate with the rules and regs and jacked up prices.

in my mind ALL these days should be recorded but if some officer as Prior suggested used his private phone to record something, can you imagine the fit a defense would have with that in reverse?

WHY were you PERSONALLY recording his confession for instance, I can just hear it.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Back from lunch and Prior is continuing his cross examination of Det. Hermosillo.

Yes I caught all this and if Prior did not alienate the jury at that point I'd be surprised. Through Prior's objections WOod and the witness stopped and waited for the judge on every decision on objection. with Woods objections Prior intentionally kept going and slipping things in for the jury to hear ignoring the objection and showing no respect or waiting for the judge's decision. Sickening.

 

[Kimster]

I don't think I ever realized how quickly JJ was buried after he was last seen by Gibb and Warwick.

 

[Kimster]

Yeah I think that's his act that he has down pat and it truly doesn't fly the more one learned/learns. I think it's a long practiced way, look, act and his norm.

For some reason one pic keeps standing out to me (a few do but this one for some reason does with some things), do you recall the pic in a kitchen I think maybe with cookies baked there were all the women and Chad the only male... I seem to recall it seemed like Halloween (how fitting) and it struck me as a bunch of witches with their supreme smug male smirky leader... Some people judged them high or drunk...

Linda constantly talks of his "duper's delight" and I agree 100 fold and there's times it can be glimpsed. This man is proud of what he's pulled on others and that even imo extendsn to Lori, to his own children and to all... He is IMO deeply evil and what is underneath his surface is barely known...

I don't recall that one offhand. I'll keep an eye open for it.

 

[Kimster]

Oh yeah. Chad's not afraid of Alex Cox. Good one for the team.

 

[Kimster]

Cross-examination:

 

[Kimster]

I'm always impressed at how well attorneys are at asking questions in these trials.

I believe court is over for the day and there's no court tomorrow.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don't think I ever realized how quickly JJ was buried after he was last seen by Gibb and Warwick.

This is news to me too. And another thing that bothers me is that Mel G and David G were like a day off or she was on which day was which day or something on that order. And they were to look at land Chad wanted them to buy next door adjoining him or some such (you know he whole compound 144K thing is what I THINK, my own thoughtH). Mel said they went I think but that Lori did not, David placed Lori with as well. Mel did not. This is one thing Prior brought out at preliminary in Chad's where their testimony did not match. She couldn't have known as they coudlnt' talk between their testimonies... They were sequestered...

That whole weekend JJ died I believe about 1/2 of it IF THAT. They knew or were part. Chad too. and Chad being there or not was another question...

I believe wholeheartedly JJ was murdered and probably that weekend but I do not believe they told the total truth. I likely never will. And the way we are to believe Mel P living next to them and with them basically never wondered where the kids were is BS.

I did not catch everything, why is it they think he was buried immediately? Because of Alex's phone pings and time involved maybe?

Anyhow Mel G was off on her days in her story and constantly off by one. She is a liar. And as to when they left etc. too. SAving her own butt I'm sure. I have never once had any sense that Mel G had one bit of love for Lori's kids either. is that what you expect from a "best friend"? Her and Tylee even seemed to intensesly dislike each other. This whole bunch is more than evil and weird and all were involved and up to things imo and I think there are others we barely even know of.

I am NOT saying Chad and Lori didn't do this, they DID but I am saying others were more involved than known with knowledge and more parts most likely.

 

[Kimster]

This is news to me too. And another thing that bothers me is that Mel G and David G were like a day off or she was on which day was which day or something on that order. And they were to look at land Chad wanted them to buy next door adjoining him or some such (you know he whole compound 144K thing is what I THINK, my own thoughtH). Mel said they went I think but that Lori did not, David placed Lori with as well. Mel did not. This is one thing Prior brought out at preliminary in Chad's where their testimony did not match. She couldn't have known as they coudlnt' talk between their testimonies... They were sequestered...

That whole weekend JJ died I believe about 1/2 of it IF THAT. They knew or were part. Chad too. and Chad being there or not was another question...

I believe wholeheartedly JJ was murdered and probably that weekend but I do not believe they told the total truth. I likely never will. And the way we are to believe Mel P living next to them and with them basically never wondered where the kids were is BS.

I did not catch everything, why is it they think he was buried immediately? Because of Alex's phone pings and time involved maybe?

Anyhow Mel G was off on her days in her story and constantly off by one. She is a liar. And as to when they left etc. too. SAving her own butt I'm sure. I have never once had any sense that Mel G had one bit of love for Lori's kids either. is that what you expect from a "best friend"? Her and Tylee even seemed to intensesly dislike each other. This whole bunch is more than evil and weird and all were involved and up to things imo and I think there are others we barely even know of.

I am NOT saying Chad and Lori didn't do this, they DID but I am saying others were more involved than known with knowledge and more parts most likely.

Alex's pings, I believe. I know you've said all along that you believe MG is involved but I don't agree on this, so I don't chime in.

 

[Tresir]

Alex's pings, I believe. I know you've said all along that you believe MG is involved but I don't agree on this, so I don't chime in.

Didnt Lori tell LE that JJ was with Mel G at the cinema at one point and she told Mel not to answer the phone so the police couldn't contact her? I remember that Mel may have lied or been asked to lie to LE.

 

[Kimster]

Didnt Lori tell LE that JJ was with Mel G at the cinema at one point and she told Mel not to answer the phone so the police couldn't contact her? I remember that Mel may have lied or been asked to lie to LE.

She did lie until she learned the gravity of the situation. Then she called LE and tried to help them find the kids.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don't recall that one offhand. I'll keep an eye open for it.

Yeah it was clearly evening, no children in sight. All the key women and Chad the only male. I don't know why but the entire photo struck me. Maybe because for one they are LDS or supposedly or Mormon and it seemed a bit obvious they maybe had partied a bit with something whether pot, alcohol, I don't know. I know that was the take of many. Perhaps assumption or speculation and I'd need to see it again but they were all like around a kitchen island I believe.... Since none seem like they truly mothered or baked cookies in these days (or perhaps it was brownies...) I don't know and of course we have our opinion of them, but the picture just struck me. No Alex or anything. Pretty sure. Just Chad and all the women... For the life of me like all I have watched so much on this case can't recall whose channel I saw it on or where it came from and so on. Nate maybe? I mean he knows the case and all so well...

For some maybe it would be just a pic but I just saw it differently but many others I think did as well...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Oh yeah. Chad's not afraid of Alex Cox. Good one for the team.

Yeah Chad is innocent and Alex had always been murdering people for Lori and Chad framed but there they are both caught on where is JJ and Chad and Alex working got her. Chad also acted or said as if he knew Alex better and knew Lori through him or something like that and did not know her as well (even though married). I think Alex and Chad did the murders and the disposals. I truly do. I CAN see Lori getting her hands dirty with the kids and suffocating JJ or going at Tylee but I think for sure Alex and Chad disposed, etc. Wood has several points he can make and I only PRAY AND HOPE he hits every single one of them in exam, cross exam and redirect throughout.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Cross-examination:

Prior tried to object when it was coming that Alex was on Chad's property. Lol. He was not happy about this. You see Alex doesn't need to be present for Tammy because Tammy died of natural causes is my take on it and CHAD was home and we know this as Tammy called to him for help. It in a way place Chad and Alex together again in another incident. Imo.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I'm always impressed at how well attorneys are at asking questions in these trials.

I believe court is over for the day and there's no court tomorrow.

Yeah and that is so typical Boyce. Sorry but it is. No wonder it is set for so long. They have BARELY gotten started and as many days off as on this week, perhaps more and in hours certainly.

He takes Fridays off on top of it then you have Delphi where the judge plans to have it go on on Saturdays as well. Imo the jurors lives are taken over as it is and if I was a juror I woudln't want these ridiculously long breaks and more weeks of trial, I'd want to do it and get it done with no more than the typical weekend off. Jmo. I've said it many a time he bones up and checks the law and probably confers with senior judges constantly. It isn't a personal knock he is not and was not a very experienced judge and not only with a case of this magnitude. NOw being careful and checking I am not going to knock but he lost the DP on Lori and the trials ended up severed and yes, taking too much time can have a big impact.

 

[Tresir]

Yeah I think that's his act that he has down pat and it truly doesn't fly the more one learned/learns. I think it's a long practiced way, look, act and his norm.

For some reason one pic keeps standing out to me (a few do but this one for some reason does with some things), do you recall the pic in a kitchen I think maybe with cookies baked there were all the women and Chad the only male... I seem to recall it seemed like Halloween (how fitting) and it struck me as a bunch of witches with their supreme smug male smirky leader... Some people judged them high or drunk...

Linda constantly talks of his "duper's delight" and I agree 100 fold and there's times it can be glimpsed. This man is proud of what he's pulled on others and that even imo extendsn to Lori, to his own children and to all... He is IMO deeply evil and what is underneath his surface is barely known...

Yes I remember the pic. And the discussion of the possibility they were hash brownies.

 

[Tresir]

Ok I have found where we discussed this before and this link goes back to May 2023 re the cookies and the post is about the Utah Oct 2018 conference coinciding with legalisation of cannabis in the state.

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[GrandmaBear]

Alex's pings, I believe. I know you've said all along that you believe MG is involved but I don't agree on this, so I don't chime in.

And you don't need to agree of course. She had way too many things where her answers did not work or were intentionally vague and times as well and her way is just not honest imo. Both Mels come across as these decent polite and I'm sorry if non PC but LDS women and I don't buy a bit of it. When was Mel G ever home with her own brood of kids or for that matter did she even have custody? She lived in sin with David per their faith. She introduced Chad and Lori and knew a TON right from the start. I'm not trying to sway or convince you just giving some of my reasons. I think she also had at least one on the spectrum like JJ was. It is pretty well established she and Tylee did not like each other. And what she knew of the plan and around the time of Charles murder I found highly questionable as well. Oh she met Charles like once or twice, seemed like a nice man. Yet she was with Lori all of the time but had her own family and bf. And with Chad and Lori. Mel P too and I think you do agree on her, correct me if I'm wrong.

I watched like probably most of us Mel G's interview with Nate was my first full on exposure to her. And yes she came across as mature, thoughtful, well spoken, clean cut, etc. The longer it went on though one could pick things up in my opinion and I think there were two parts and in the way of news only one was aired for quite awhile...

HE77 they were there during ALL of this with JJ. I know Lori could have planned that for a reason but it's more than that imo. Even her phone call with them to prove herself innocent and help get them, no. You could sense it and hear it. Lori wanted to threaten her with what she knew or had done but Lori knew better and that it likely was going to be handed over or was recorded.

Anyhow my emphasis is not at you. I just have a lot of reasons and they aren't just random. And like you and all of us I've listened to like six hour things from Annie and all the other people who have done things on this case/s.

I guess I'm just saying I didn't come to it lightly or for no reason. I think Zulema is guilty too. All are of some. Maybe all did not know all things and parts ut they knew of some.

And then there's the fact that supposedly Mel G was the first and more important one to Chad before Lori... And she knew Chad first...

I'm not trying to convince you so much as it is reminding me of my reasons and my own heat for disliking her and suspecting her.

If someone watched nothing but the preliminary at Chad's, it was amazing how fast her calm demeanor and answers disappeared and one viewed another side of her pretty quickly. She did not have any cross or real participation in Lori's trial as she will here imo. And it was Prior who quickly got her in seconds dropping her mask.

Where were any of them that weekend JJ died every moment? Where was Mel P. I think there was actually someone else present if I recall for their radio podcast or some such but I could be wrong on that... Have we ever heard from Mel's ex or the father of her children? David isn't their father. I'm not saying that means anything and good for her they are all protected as she bailed from the spotlight after being fairly front and center. She was also the one at the PD with Lori giving the whole story and endorsing it re Charles and flirted and "knew" or acted as if she did with the cops in her own interviews.

Finally she and DAvid got married after all this b.s where they never had and she chose a wedding date of wasn't it the date of Alex's death? Have they lasted?

And then in Lori's trial, HE did not go with her and was watching as he was NOT TO DO the trial coverage and it seemed like they may have been splitsville but that was hushed or covered. Why? To see what SHE said when he had to testify because their stories did not match at prelim. of that weekend.

Just to say again I am not trying to convince you but it has me thinking of all my reasons and reminding self as they come to me and I also am just showing this is not just some light decision for no real reason that I think she is involved in a whole lot more. It is a whole host of reasons. And of course no one has to agree.

Not sure if anyone would agree on this either but every single one of them are a bunch of messed up odd ducks for all just like Lori they put on some other life and way. Every single one of them fell for this crap and attended CASTINGS which she is also by the way vague about and can't quite recall all the details of who or when.

She could have SAVED these CHILDREN imo. But no. All of them were going to BE KID FREE and with the RIGHT CHOSEN MAN, hence the divorces and marriages of Ian and Mel P and Alex and Zulema and so far Mel and David had passed but never a SIGN of her kids either or them spending time with her friend Lori and her kids.

Argggh. Lol. Sorry. I still know this case pretty well even if dates and such get hard and all the stuff we have ingested over the years. And I got off in a direction I never intended and recall a lot more than I ever knew.

And of course you don't have to agree. However, both Mels were parts of and with Lori (and Chad at times) at very key things and times. And so much more as stated above. I could do similar on Mel P. And am not even done with Mel G here. More is coming to me as I try to end this post lol.

Well justice I think is on the way for the CO conspirator with Lori or the two known key ones anyhow and I think most of us agree on that.

One last thing, you don't need to watch against rules if a witness testimony and read news if you know your wife (Mel G to DAvid) is going to do no more or say no more than the truth of what happened on the weekend you both were present so that you can match what she says and her story. ANd that's what happened in Lori's. And then there was Mel P's stunt.

So again, trying to stop myself here. LOL. Man this has all been a long time coming and it has barely gotten started.

So anyhow many believe Mel P is definitely someone who was part and should be charged but there are also some that see it in Mel G too. And Zulema for that matter All to a point have tried to save themselves BUT they've never fully turned on these two or told the entire truth by a long shot imo. And there are also people missing. Who knew much about Audrey for instance before Lori's trial? Then there's the cop Jason Leu is it. And others whose names just kind of disappeared...

Oh, Nate expects Julie Rowe may be called to testify in this one. Now she is something ELSE imo, do NOT LIKE her nor trust her BUT she knows about Chad saying how Tammy was going to die...

None of these people are normal, HE77 who is but I mean even approach normal other than their facade. And all were into this sh*t so long as the exalted Chad deemed them to be special and have powers or have roles they were put on earth to do. Imo. Both Chad and Lori are diabolical but if there was a leader overall it was Chad.

And his kids need to get a clue.

Anyhow, again, just kind of reminding self and talking through it I am not trying to convince anyone. And of course I sure could be wrong.

I actually really didn't need today to just think of all that which is where my own head took me in talking of it. Lol.

 

[Tresir]

It has just occurred to me that video taping interviews were common in Az in 2019 because LE even videotaped Lori and Alex on the roadside when Charles was murdered plus in 2017 in the Delphi, Indiana murder case with the lost videotape interviews. So it seems Idaho were not as up to date as other states at this time.