JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

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Tuesday 7th - morning update.

LIVE UPDATES FROM THE CHAD DAYBELL TRIAL​

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Please excuse the typos. These are live updates from the courtroom.

11:54 a.m. Blake says Prior has not followed the rules on admitting the exhibit. Boyce is ready to rule. He says to admit the entire exhibit would be premature, and he denies the admission. We are now breaking for lunch. Be back at 1 p.m.

11:52 a.m. Prior moves to admit the entire interview that is over 3 hours long. Prior says he plans to call Zulema back during his defense. Blake objects to admitting the evidence as a cumulative waste of time. She says there have to be inconsistencies in the testimony versus the police interview, and there haven’t been any shown.

11:51 a.m. Prior plays a clip and asks her to identify the people in the video. She is there along with her attorney, Garrett Smith, Det. Hermosillo and someone she believes is an FBI agent – Ricky Wright.

11:49 a.m. Prior says the exhibit is from a police interview with Zulema from Oct. 2, 2020. The interview is over three hours long. Prior will play a clip for Zulema to identify.

11:46 a.m. Prior asks to admit a recording. Prosecutors ask to approach. Boyce says there is an issue that needs to be discussed outside the presence of the jury. The jurors are dismissed for lunch while the matter is argued.

11:41 a.m. Prior asks about demons being cast out of bodies. He asks if she ever discussed the topic of killing anyone. She says no. She says Chad and Lori taught that if the casting was successful, the demon would be cast out, and the body could die.

11:40 a.m. Zulema would practice in her mind how to predict the weather. Prior asks if she was ever successful at predicting the weather. She pauses and says, “I don’t believe so.”

11:38 a.m. Prior asks Zulema if she believes she has any special gift. She says no. Prior asks if she believes she can predict the weather. She says no. Prior asks if she ever believed in the past she could predict the weather. Zulema says yes. Chad and Lori told her she could predict the weather. Chad told her to practice how to predict the weather.

11:36 a.m. Prior asks if, in the LDS faith, blessings are unusual. Zulema says they are not. Prior asks about light and dark and if anyone can determine who is light and dark. Chad told Zulema he had access to his portal and was getting information from the spirit world about light and dark.

11:33 a.m. Prior asks about the weekend Chad stayed at Lori’s house and they played basketball together outside. Prior asks how many people were staying at Lori’s house. Zulema says 4-5. Prior asks if there was any romantic interest between Chad and Lori at the time. Zulema said there didn’t appear to be. Lori was being flirtatious with Chad while playing basketball, Zulema says, and Lori said, “Are you scared of me?” Zulema understood it to mean that Lori was asking if Chad was scared of being alone with her.

11:32 a.m. Prior asks about the St. George meeting where Chad was speaking and selling books. Prior asks if Lori was pursuing Chad. Zulema says she was very flirtatious toward him and she was the aggressor.

11:30 a.m. Prior asks Zulema if she has been granted immunity by cooperating with the police. She says that is true. He asks how many times she has spoken to the police. Zulema says she has spoken to law enforcement several times.

11:29 a.m. Prior asks Zulema about her ability to judge people’s character. “I believe that I have been an overly trusting people,” Zulema responds.

11:27 a.m. Prior asks about Zulema’s professional skills and experiences. She has worked as an insurance company manager, an instructional assistant, and she currently works for vocational rehabilitation. Prior asks Zulema if she considers herself to be an educated person. Zulema says yes.

11:26 a.m. Chad talked about his near-death experiences and after his near-death experience, he no longer had a veil and could see into the spirit world.

11:24 a.m. Zulema recalls meeting Chad at a Preparing a People conference in Mesa when she bought some of his books. These were classes on preparing for emergencies and preparing for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

11:21 a.m. Zulema met Melanie Gibb when she moved near her home in 2017 and they attended the same LDS ward. Gibb invited Zulema to a meeting at her house in Sept. 2018. Zulema met Lori at this meeting for the first time. The purpose of the meeting was for Lori to share her testimony. Lori shared that she had visitations from angels and the angel Moroni. Lori also said she was a personal witness of Jesus Christ and had a physical meeting with Jesus.

11:19 a.m. Prior asks if Melanie Gibb ever contributed to the Seven Gatherers. Zulema says it is possible but she doesn’t recall. Prior asks Zulema if she remembers anyone sending emails in the Seven Gatherers. Zulema says there were a few. Zulema says it wasn’t a club – it was an email address that was shared among the group.

11:18 a.m. Zulema says Seven Gatherers was an email address that was formed by lady in the group – maybe Christina. A few ladies emailed back and forth but there was never a formal meeting or discussion about the group. An email address and password were shared in the group.

11:16 a.m. They shared information and articles with each other via email. Prior asks if the group was very familiar with the words Seven Gatherers. Zulema says yes. Melanie Gibb and Melani Pawlowski previously testified that they did not know what Seven Gatherers was.

11:14 a.m. Prior begins by asking about the Seven Gatherers. Nicole, Christina, Serena, Melanie Gibb, Melani Pawlowski, Lori and Zulema were the members. They would gather to share information and in Zoom meetings to do castings.

11:13 a.m. Blake has no further questions. Prior will now cross-examine.

11:12 a.m. Chad told Zulema that she had been on the earth when Jesus Christ came to the Americas and she had been killed with Lori in a very violent way – she had been raped, killed and her body was dismembered.

11:10 a.m. Zulema says Alex’s demeanor changed quite a bit after the call. He’s normally joking and laughing. After the call, he was very quiet, somber, kept to himself and started saying things to Zulema that didn’t make sense. “I think I’m going to be their fall guy,” Zulema said. Zulema asked what that meant. Alex wouldn’t say anything. Zulema was getting frustrated with Alex. She walked back and forth to talk with him. “I think I’m being their fall guy,” he said. “Zulema, either I am a man of God or I am not.”

11:08 a.m. The night before Alex died, Chad and Lori called him to say Tammy’s body was getting exhumed. It seemed strange to Zumela that the body was getting exhumed and that Lori and Chad were telling Alex this news. Zulema asked Alex, “If they exhume her body, are you going to be tied to anything that happened to Tammy?” Alex said no.

11:07 a.m. The Saturday before Alex died, he said he was going to Mexico for the day. He left in the morning and was fine but came back sick that night. As Zulema speaks, many jurors are taking notes.

11:06 a.m. When Alex visited for Thanksgiving, he read the patriarchal blessing Chad had given him to Zulema. As Alex read it, he cried “because he really believed what was in there.” Alex died on Dec. 12, 2019.

11:06 a.m. Zulema learned Tylee and JJ were missing from Melanie Gibb. Zulema talked to Alex about it but he didn’t say anything. The last information Zulema had from Lori was JJ was with Kay. Zulema wondered why Kay would be asking for a welfare check if she’s the one who had JJ. Alex just said, “Yeah, huh.”

11:05 a.m. Zulema says Chad and Alex became very close over time. Alex believed what Chad told him and would do what Chad asked “especially because he would tell him what to do through a blessing and it was Jesus Christ telling him what to do.”

11:03 a.m. Alex relied on Lori and Chad “for everything,” Zulema says. Alex and Lori were very close. Chad told Alex the only reason he had come to earth at this time was to be Lori’s protector. Alex took that to heart and believed he was there to protect his sister.

11:02 a.m. Zulema often turned to Chad for spiritual answers. Alex went to spend Thanksgiving at Zulema’s house in Arizona. He told her that he had seen Chad and Lori before he went to Arizona but they stopped returning his texts and calls. Alex was very upset. He said, “Can you believe they are being such jerks after I helped them? Now they don’t even want to talk to me.”

11:01 a.m. Chad had a pendulum in his back pocket. Zulema asked a question and Chad pulled it out and said, “We could ask.” Zulema said, “No, thank you.” She had never seen the pendulum before.

11 a.m. On the way back from Hawaii, Chad and Lori had a layover in Gilbert. They were staying at a hotel and asked Zulema to pick them up and take them to the airport. Zulema asked where JJ was. Lori said she had given JJ to Kay Woodcock. Chad and Lori were acting like newlyweds – “they couldn’t keep their hands from each other.” Neither of them appeared sad – they were very happy and giggly.

10:57 a.m. Zulema and Alex began officially dating on Oct. 31, 2019. They got engaged at Alex’s apartment in Rexburg on Nov. 7. Alex gave Zulema a diamond ring – size 5. Alex and Zulema didn’t know where Chad and Lori were but while they were visiting, they received photos of Chad and Lori getting married on the beach in Hawaii.

10:56 a.m. Zulema was at home in Arizona when Gibb called and said Tammy died. Lori said the day after Tammy’s funeral, Chad was going to move into Lori’s apartment. From the beginning, Chad and Lori talked about the need of them being together to start their missions to build Zion and gather 144,000.

10:54 a.m. Zulema spoke to Alex that day about her new car. They did not discuss the casting and Alex did not talk about what he had done that night. Zulema learned from Melanie Gibb about Tammy’s death. Lori told Zulema that Chad and Lori had received new information from angels that taught them how to do a successful casting to finally cast out a demon. Lori said that’s what happened to Tammy.

10:53 a.m. Zulema says she learned much later that someone had attempted to shoot Tammy that night. The night of the casting, Zulema says Lori was on the phone and was very irate and upset. Zulema says Lori was calling the person on the phone, “moron, idiot, stupid” and was so mad. After she hung up, Lori said, “Idiot can’t do anything by himself.”

10:51 a.m. This was the same day of the paintball gun incident in Tammy’s driveway. Zulema, Lori and Melani Pawlowski gathered at Melani’s house for a casting. Lori said they had never information on how to do castings and this time the cosmos would be involved. It was just Zulema and Lori in this casting.

10:50 a.m. Blake asks Zulema if she ever heard anyone talk about The Book of Life. Chad said he had access to The Book of Life so he could read someone’s life, past, present and future. Chad never showed the book to Zulema. Zulema recalls hearing that Tammy had been possessed by demons and had become a zombie. Zulema participated on a casting on Tammy on Oct. 9, 2019.

10:48 a.m. The next page shows the names James and Elaina – meaning Chad and Lori. Seven children are listed underneath their names. Melani Pawlowski, JJ Vallow are listed under the names of James and Elaina. Zulema saw these documents, for the first time, on paper and the ratings were on Chad’s computer.

10:46 a.m. Many people in Lori’s family were rated as dark. All of Chad’s children were rated as light, Zulema says. JJ and Tylee were deemed zombies and possessed.

10:44 a.m. Blake moves to admit some exhibits. The first one we see shows two pages. There are handwritten names on the side. The names of Chad’s children are written on the paper. On the other side of the page, there are names of the Cox family with ratings. Zulema says Chad provided all of the ratings.

10:41 a.m. Zulema expressed her concerns to Lori and she responded, “Don’t worry about it. Melly (meaning Melani P.) had enough money for all of us.” Zulema later asked Melani about this and she had no idea Lori had said this.

10:40 a.m. We are back in the courtroom. Zulema continues her testimony by saying she did not want to move to Rexburg. She had no family, ties, jobs, etc. but Chad pushed for her to move.

10:10 a.m. Zulema did not want to move to Rexburg. She was not dating Alex at the time but they were getting to know each other. Chad gave Alex a blessing and started the same way – that Jesus was next to him and telling Chad what to say. Alex started sobbing when Chad told him all his sins were forgiven. Morning break time. Back in 20-30 minutes.

10:08 a.m. During the trip, Zulema observed Chad and Lori being very romantic with each other. Zulema went to Mesa Falls with Alex, Lori and Chad. Alex was driving, and Zulema was in the front. Chad and Lori were in the back seat hugging and kissing. Chad gave Zulema a blessing during her visit. He said, “Jesus Christ is standing right next to me, and he’s saying this to you: ‘All of your sins are forgiven.’ And he’s telling you it’s time for you to leave Babylon and move to Rexburg.”

10:07 a.m. Zulema says Lori got rid of the service dog. After Melanie Gibb visited Rexburg, she and Zulema got together. Gibb said she learned during her trip to Rexburg that JJ had become a zombie.

10:06 a.m. Before Lori moved to Rexburg, she had told Zulema a few times that Tylee had been possessed by a dark spirit named Hillary. Lori got that information from Chad. Lori told Zulema that JJ was being attacked in the middle of the night by dark spirits, and they couldn’t get him, so the spirits would enter JJ’s service dog.

10:05 a.m. Zulema visited Rexburg in September 2019. She stayed in Alex’s apartment and visited Lori’s. Zulema never saw Tylee. Lori said Tylee “had to be freed,” and when Zulema asked for an explanation, Lori put her hand against Zulema’s face and said, “Don’t ask.” Lori never provided any information about where Tylee was. JJ was there.

10:01 a.m. Lori moved to Rexburg with Tylee, JJ and Alex at the end of August 2019. Zulema asked Lori what she was going to do in Rexburg. Lori said she would live off the $6,000/month Social Security benefits. Lori told Zulema that if anything ever happened to Charles, he had a $1 million policy and Lori was the beneficiary. Lori was very upset that Charles changed the beneficiary before he died, and Lori was not getting the $1 million.

10 a.m. Right after Charles was killed, Chad and Alex were acting like really close friends. Zulema recalls hearing about zombie at Firebirds and the term kept coming up. Alex believed there were zombies and told Zulema if he ever turned into a zombie “just shoot me in the face.”

9:55 a.m. During the same meeting, Chad said JJ was going to die young – probably soon – and he was going to come right back to earth as Colby Ryan’s son. Chad gave Zulema a blessing. He said he was telling her what Jesus Christ wanted him to say and that Zulema needed to move to Rexburg. Chad said Zulema was going to get married soon. Zulema had zero ties to Rexburg. Chad also gave Alex a blessing. Alex told Zulema that Chad said he also needed to move to Rexburg and Alex was going to be one of the warriors who was going to fight invasions from other countries. Rexburg was going to be a place of safety, and Alex was going to play a key role in being one of the defenders of the area. Zulema says Alex bought into it 100% “so much that Chad was leaving the following day to go back to Rexburg and right then Alex booked a flight to go to Rexburg with Chad so he could see the sites.”

9:53 a.m. Chad said his and Lori’s mission in this life was to build Zion and gather the 144,000. Lori and Chad said they were the leaders of the group. Blake asks Zulema about the Church of the Firstborn. Chad said he was the head of the church, and he was the one who would gather people who belonged to the church.

9:52 a.m. Chad said Tammy was going to die early, and he had a portal in his house where he would get communication and instruction from the spirit world. He got information through the portal that Tammy was going to die soon. Lori told Zulema that Chad created a portal for her in her closet and this is where they communicated with each other.

9:51 a.m. Zulema asked Chad why he and Lori were together like that when Chad was still married to Tammy. Chad said he and Lori had been married to each other seven times before in other lives, and they had been exalted together in other worlds. They were to be together in this life because they had a mission together, and their spouses would understand because of the mission they needed to complete. Lori said it didn’t count for them.

9:49 a.m. Zulema asked Alex if he was going OK. He said, “Yeah, why?” Zulema said, “Because you just shot someone.” Alex responded, “Zulema – he was a zombie!” Alex 100% believed what Chad was telling him, Zulema says. Zulema saw Chad in August 2019 when he came to visit Lori’s house. Lori and Chad were physically romantic, holding hands, she sat on his lap, they hugged and touched each other like girlfriend and boyfriend. Zulema had never seen them that physical before.

9:47 a.m. Lori told Zulema that Charles had come over to take JJ to school. Charles had left his phone in the house, and Lori started looking through it. Lori said Charles came back inside and demanded his phone. Lori didn’t want to give it to him so they started fighting. Alex and Tylee were both there. Tylee walked into the room with a bat telling Charles to leave. Charles took the bat away and hit Alex on the back of the head with the bat. Alex took his gun out and shot Charles.

9:45 a.m. Zulema says the teachings of Chad and Lori evolved. Zulema says the castings on Hiplos were never successful. The day after Charles died, Lori asked Zulema to come to her and that’s when Lori told Zulema that Charles was dead. Lori seemed quiet and somber, Zulema says. Alex seemed normal.

9:43 a.m. Blake shows another page from Zulema’s journal. It is the order in which castings were performed – cast out, burn, dispel, banish, expel, purge, evict. The next page shows the order of the priesthood – dispel, encapsulated, cast out, burn out, escorted, sealed.

9:40 a.m. It seemed weird that Lori moved with Charles to Texas after all the problems and fighting they had – and the fact Charles was possessed. Blake asks Zulema about the Seven Gathers. This was a group of women who got together to do castings. The Seven Gathers were Christina, Nicole, Serena, Melanie Gibb, Melani Pawlowski, Lori and Zulema. Most of the time the group would turn to Lori for answers, who got her information from Chad.

9:37 a.m. Chad and Lori said Alex’s spiritual status had changed so he was now able to come to the casting. Lori gave assignments to the group, and Alex was always the warrior. Zulema says after the second casting, Lori called Chad, and Chad said it had been successful. Later on, the group found out that another dark spirit had entered Charles’ body. This dark spirit was a high dark spirit – an experienced demon who had done this before to others. This demon was called Hiplos.

9:35 a.m. Lori called Chad after the casting, and Chad said it was a success – the casting had worked. Later on, Chad said Ned had been cast out, but another dark spirit took over Charles’ body. This evil spirit was named Garrett. Another casting was held with the same people, but Alex also joined in.

9:31 a.m. Zulema said Lori once mentioned she and Charles were having financial issues, but there weren’t any other problems that Lori spoke about. In March 2019, Zulema had Gibb, Christina, Nicole, Serena and Lori come over for a casting of Charles. Lori explained that everyone needed to hold hands, and she gave everyone a different part to say. They then casted the evil spirit out of Charles. Charles was not physically present. Zulema says throughout the entire casting, Lori was in communication with Chad, and Chad was giving instructions.

9:30 a.m. The first time Lori talked about someone being possessed by a dark spirit or demon was during their lunch at Firebirds. Zulema had never heard about dark spirits coming into bodies. Lori said that’s what happened to Charles Vallow, her then-husband, and Charles was now possessed by a dark spirit named Ned. Lori got this information from Chad.

9:25 a.m. The next page from Zulema’s journal shows 24 people on the earth who were part of a council. The name Serena is on the diagram. Chad said Serena was no longer light and was moving toward the dark side. She was a very dark high priestess, according to Chad. Blake asks what caused Serena to move to the dark list. Zulema says Chad didn’t give any reason – it was a mystery to her. Zulema later found out that Serena had questioned Chad about his teaching of not needing repentance. Because she questioned him, Chad deemed her dark.

9:24 a.m. Because Zulema had already been exalted in another world, Chad told her she was on this earth now to help and assist the work of God. Chad said there was no need for repentance if you had already been exalted in another world. Lori used to say all the time, “It doesn’t count for me,” and “It doesn’t count for you either,” Zulema says. Lori would hit something and say, “Doesn’t count for me.” Zulema says all this information came from Chad.

9:22 a.m. Blake asks what Chad taught about exaltation. Zulema says after you experience a probationary time, you become a righteous person who is spiritually minded. You then become exalted and have a place in the celestial realm. Zulema says it’s taught in her church that people can become exalted, but the way Chad was teaching was different. He taught that if you came in another world, you became exalted so you already had your place in the celestial world.

9:21 a.m. The next part of the receipt shows Lori drew Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. After that, there was council of 12, council of 48, etc. All of this was being given to Lori by Chad, Zulema says.

9:19 a.m. Lori wrote on the receipt the numbers of people on the earth who were 2s, 3s, etc. There were billions of 2s, billions of 3, only 1,200 people were 4.1 light, 7,000 4.2, only 700 4.3, and only one person who is a 6 light and a 6 dark. Equal number on light and dark.

9:17 a.m. Lori drew the diagram on the restaurant receipt. Zulema kept the receipt. Blake shows the receipt on the screen. It displays eternal rounds at the top, the five worlds where one could come, and the bottom of the receipt shows Chad rating people on whether they are light or dark.

9:15 a.m. The lunch was at Firebirds. They had lunch again at the same restaurant Feb./March 2019. Chad was not there. During the lunch, Lori made a diagram similar to the one Zulema had written down. Lori went through the creations and worlds and ratings of people.

9:13 a.m. Chad told Zulema she was going through the vibration process. The next page of the journal shows one of the circles of the entire creation – all the times a person comes to one of the worlds. It shows how a person moves up in a spiritual descent – 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, etc. The left hand side shows what happens to a person if they become dark. Zulema was rated 4.2 – according to Chad. Chad discerned light and dark.

9:10 a.m. The exhibit is entries from a journal Zulema kept in 2019. The first page we see on the screen lays out what Chad taught about three phrases of translation – emotional, spiritual and physical. Each one would go from 0-100%, vibrations would go from 0-1000% and around 80% there is a big test in order for you to get to 100%. Then you move on to the next phase.

9:06 a.m. Zulema had never heard anything like this before, but she was open to it. Blake moves to admit another exhibit. Boyce asks for a brief sidebar.

9:03 a.m. Chad told Zulema she lived in different worlds. She had come to the third world five times, to the fourth world four times and to the fifth world four times. Chad told Zulema he was the brother of Heavenly Father and Jesus. In another creation, he had been the Holy Ghost. On the diagram, there is a circle with the word “limbo.” Chad and Lori told Zulema that when a person passes away, there was a small time where the body was a viable body. It could be occupied by a dark spirit or demon. Because the body no longer has its original spirit, the spirit could not move to the spirit world but would go to limbo.

9 a.m. Chad told Zulema about her past lives and gave her a rating – a 4.2 light. Blakes moves to admit an exhibit Zulema drew after speaking with Chad. It is shown on the screen. Zulema explains that Chad and Lori were teaching that in one realm of creation, there were five different worlds to which one person could come to.

8:57 a.m. Zulema said Lori and Melanie Gibb started a podcast, and Chad was going to be a guest. After the podcast, Chad said he wanted to go to lunch because he had information he needed to give to Zulema. Lori, Gibb, Chad and Zulema all went together. Lori and Chad didn’t want Gibb to hear what Chad was going to tell Zulema. Chad said he would call Zulema later. When he called, he said he was able to read people’s past lives and he wanted to give Zulema a reading of her past lives.

8:56 a.m. The day after the conference, Lori was supposed to have a meeting at her house. Zulema did not go to the house but instead went to the temple. When Zulema walked into the celestial room, Chad and Lori were sitting together. They both stood up and walked to Zulema. Lori told Zulema not to tell anyone that they were in the temple.

8:54 a.m. Chad said there were three phases to translation: the physical part, the spiritual part and the third part she can’t remember. With each part, you go up on vibration and when you hit 100, you move onto the next phase. Zulema had never heard translation taught this way, but she was open to the idea.

8:53 a.m. Chad praised Zulema a lot during the blessing. During that weekend, everyone gathered in a room. There were around 6-7 women there – no other men. Chad sat in the middle of the room and he taught everyone the doctrine of translation. Charles was out of town with JJ so Lori could have the house for guests.

8:51 a.m. Chad gave Zulema a blessing during that weekend. Zulema says usually when you receive a blessing, it is tailored to the specific needs you may have at that time. This blessing was different. “It was almost as if Chad was looking into the future for me and he was telling me how special of a person I was, how many gifts I had and all the things that I was going to do in the future. It was very, very different than what I used to.”

8:50 a.m. At another conference near Lori’s home, Lori had a gathering afterward at her house. Zulema attended and went outside with Chad and Lori. Lori started playing basketball and asked Chad to play with her. “It was very uncomfortable for me. I felt like a third wheel, so I said I was going to go inside the house. Chad said he was going to go inside with her. Lori said, ‘Why are you going inside – are you scared of me?'”

8:49 a.m. Chad told Lori that they were the angels who were supposed to gather the 144,000, according to Zulema.

8:47 a.m. On the way home from the conference, Lori asked Zulema and Melanie to search the scriptures for certain things – anything to do with James the Less and Doctrine and Covenants 77:11 (which has to do with the 144,000). Lori didn’t expand on why she wanted information on James the Less. Lori later told Zulema that Chad had told her in a previous life that they had been married and Chad was James the Less, who was one of Jesus Christ’s disciples. Lori was his wife, and her name in that previous life was Helena.

8:46 a.m. Zulema recalls Lori being flirtatious and “putting on the moves” on Chad when they first met. Chad was “very giggly” and laughing a lot with her. Zulema knew Lori was married to Charles Vallow. Zulema also knew Chad was married.

8:45 a.m. Zulema met Chad at a conference in Mesa in the summer of 2018. Zulema says she did not stay in contact with Chad but she stayed in touch with Lori. She developed a friendship with Lori after the St. George conference in 2018. Zulema traveled with Lori, Melanie Gibb, Michelle and another woman to the conference.

8:44 a.m. Zulema’s attorney, Garrett Smith, is in the courtroom. He also represents Ian and Melani Pawlowski. Lindsey Blake is questioning Zulema. She asks Zulema how she met Lori Vallow. They met in 2018 at Melanie Gibb’s house.

8:41 a.m. Next witness for the state: Zulema Pastenes. She was married to Alex Cox and was very close with Chad and Lori.

8:38 a.m. Attorneys are back at their tables. Boyce is on the bench. Jurors are being brought in.

8:33 a.m. The attorneys are meeting with Judge Boyce in chambers.

8:28 a.m. There are likely 50-60 people in the gallery today – one of the busiest days we have seen. Larry Woodcock is here. Rex Conner, Lori Vallow’s uncle, is also here.

8:25 a.m. We are back in the courtroom for day 18 of Chad Daybell’s trial. He’s in a light blue shirt with a red tie. He is seated next to John Prior. At the prosecution table – Madison County Prosecutor Rob Wood, Fremont County Prosecutor Lindsey Blake, Fremont County Dep. Prosecutor Rocky Wixom and Special Prosecutor Ingrid Batey.
 
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Today’s testimony is the craziest yet! And Lori truly believes this garbage to this day! It makes her statement to the court at her sentencing more understandable, actually. She is insane.
 
Zulema has more common sense than the others put together.

Anyone who disagreed with this system of Chad's Light and Dark would be labelled dark and murdered so of course you didn't disagree that much with him.

It was a murder charter - to get rid of anyone who got in his way. And if they had life insurance you could claim, even better.

I think they were just suckered in, like any other cult.

Disgusting human being.

Zulema and the two Mels are lucky to be alive plus the other ladies Selena and Audrey was it? Luckily they turned to LE at the right time IMO.
 
Tuesday 7th - afternoon update.

WARNING - GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS -autopsy details.

LIVE UPDATES FROM THE CHAD DAYBELL TRIAL​

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Please excuse the typos. These are live updates from the courtroom.

3:30 p.m. Court is now dismissed for the day. Back tomorrow. Catch you tonight on ‘Courtroom Insider’ at 6:30 p.m. MDT.

3:29 p.m. Wood asks if any of Tylee’s medical history were problematic to explain her death. Warren says not in his opinion.

3:27 p.m. Warren reviewed Tylee’s medical records. She had a history of anxiety and had panic attacks. She had a history of ovarian cysts that caused her discomfort. She had a history of pancreatitis.

3:25 p.m. Warren says Tylee was dismembered and set on fire. This fit the criteria to have the homicide by unspecified means as the cause of death. There also wasn’t enough to do an autopsy.

3:24 p.m. Tylee’s cause of death: homicide by unspecified means. After reviewing all the information and performing the autposy, Warren believes Tylee was murdered but because of the state of the body, he can’t say exactly how. Larry Woodcock just stood up and left the courtroom.

3:22 p.m. Warren also did Tylee’s autopsy. It took about a week because she was not in tact. Tylee was received in multiple bags. Two were body bags, the third was a brown paper bag that contained five sealed bags inside. Human remains were inside all the bags – bones, tissue, organs and a lot of mud, dirt and other debris.

3:20 p.m. GHB was also found in the liver. GHB is a depressant and can be used as liquid ecstasy. This can be used for medicinal or recreational purposes. Warren was concerned when he saw it but it could have been produced postmortem. It also could have been ingested.

3:17 p.m. Warren tries to get blood, urine and vitreous fluid during autopsies. Because of the state of decomposition, they were unable to get any fluids. Hair samples, a liver sample, a rib and tooth samples were sent away for testing. Low levels of ethanol, likely from decomposition, was found in the liver. Theobromine and caffeine were also found. Warren wasn’t concerned about those substances.

3:16 p.m. Warren saw no rib fractures or bone abnormalities on x-rays. JJ’s lungs showed decomposition changes but no evidence of natural disease. Sections of JJ’s lungs were looked at under the microscope and there were so signs of any natural disease.

3:15 p.m. Warren says incisions were made in the body to get access to the brain, heart, lungs, liver and other organs. JJ’s organs were in tact but had some decomposition. Warren found decomposition changes but no sign of overt trauma or natural disease in looking at it or looking at tissues under the microscope.

3:13 p.m. There was possible bruising on JJ’s ankles. Warren notes sometimes decomposition can look like bruising so they take extra steps to determine if the bruising is legitimate or decomposition. The marks on the arms were indeed bruising, Warren says.

3:11 p.m. The autopsy consists of an external examination and an internal examination. Warren looked for any sign of trauma or natural disease on JJ’s body. Warren saw no external signs of disease but there were scratch-live abrasions on the left side of JJ’s neck. There was also bruising on JJ’s right and left upper arms and diffused hemorrhage under one of JJ’s right thumbnail. The hemorrhage means there had been force or trauma to the finger.

3:09 p.m. JJ was covered with duct tape and he was in red pajamas. His body was in a state of decomposition. Not much of his skin was showing because there was so much tape on him. Photos were taken. The pajamas and socks were taken off and given to law enforcement. Warren removed the plastic bag around JJ’s head and neck. The duct tape was taken off the arms and legs and given to law enforcement. Other evidence was collected from JJ’s body. Hand, nail, oral, anal and penile swabs were taken.

3:07 p.m. Warren says the first time he saw JJ, the child was in a black body bag. Warren broke the seal of the body bag and JJ was wrapped in a black tarp with multiple strips of duct tape. “That was really the first time I got a good look at JJ.” Warren says there was a plastic bag over JJ’s head. As this is being described, Larry Woodcock bows his head and is wiping tears from his eyes.

3:07 p.m. JJ Vallow’s cause of death: asphyxia by plastic bag over the head and duct tape covering the mouth.

3:05 p.m. Warren was involved in the autopsy of JJ Vallow on June 11, 2020. It happened at the Ada County Coroner’s Office. It was the first time Warren had ever seen JJ. The autopsy lasted approximately four hours.

3:03 p.m. Wood asks Warren to describe forensic pathology. He says it’s the practice of pathology combined with the legal system. Warren says the cause of death if the natural event or traumatic injury that sets into a series of events that causes somebody to die. A heart attack or gunshot wound to the head would be a cause of death. Manner of death deals with the circumstances surrounding the death. There are 5 options: natural, accident, suicide, homicide, undetermined.

3:02 p.m. Rob Wood is questioning Warren. He asks Warren to describe his training and how he became board certified.

3 p.m. Warren’s job is to try and determine why a person died. He needs to determine the cause and manner of death. His office performs autopsies for Fremont and other counties. Warren has performed over 1,500 autopsies in his career.

2:59 p.m. Warren’s office investigates a wide variety of deaths – non-natural deaths like suicides, accidents, homicides along with some natural deaths. A young person who dies without explanation would be investigated by Warren’s office.

2:55 p.m. Zulema leaves the courtroom. Next witness is Dr. Garth Warren. He is a forensic pathologist for the Ada County Coroner’s Office. He has practiced seven years in Idaho and five years in Colorado.

2:54 p.m. Zulema says Tammy was dark and had become a zombie. She is no longer alive. Charles was a zombie. He is no longer alive. JJ was dark and is no longer alive. Tylee was dark and is no longer alive. Blake has no further questions. Zulema is released from the stand but Prior wants her under subpoena.

2:52 p.m. Chad told Zulema he could visualize spiritual weapons and then remove them. Blake asks about the Seven Gatherers email account. She asks about castings and Zulema says Chad and Lori spoke about castings with Blake at different times.

2:50 p.m. Chad told Zulema she could control the weather and told her to practice her gift. She learned about spiritual attacks in the scriptures and Chad and Lori also spoke about them. The way they described the attacks differed than what Zulema had read in the scriptures. Chad and Lori were far more detailed.

2:49 p.m. Chad indicated that he could communicate through the veil and Zulema believed he could. Blake asks Zulema where she learned the idea of cutting a cord. Lori and Chad taught about how the spirit needed to be attached to the body by a certain amount of cords. Those cords needed to be cut before a person died.

2:48 p.m. Blake asks who was teaching at the house about the translation process. Chad was teaching, Lori was sitting on the couch as a student. Blake asks about Chad staying at Lori’s house during the conference. Chad was the only man. Zulema did not stay the entire time – she left after being given a blessing. Blake asks if Chad’s teachings were part of the standard LDS teachings. Zulema says no.

2:46 p.m. Blake asks Zulema about the meeting with Hermosillo and the other officers. She asks if more was discussed in the interview. Zulema says yes, more than likely. There were many interviews. Blake asks Zulema if it was Lori she would usually talk to about the spiritual topics. Zulema says she would talk with Lori but the ideas originated from Chad.

2:45 p.m. Blake asks Zulema if they have met before. Zulema says yes. Blake asks if her testimony has changed based on meeting with Blake. Zulema says no and her testimony is based on her own experiences and recollection.

2:43 p.m. Prior asks Zulema if she remembers Hermosillo mentioning that she has had inconsistent statements in the past. Zulema says yes. Prior says he has nothing further. Blake will now conduct re-direct.

2:40 p.m. Prior says Hermosillo was aiding Zulema with her statements. Blake objects and moves to strike. Boyce grants the objection. Prior asks the question another way. Blake objects again. Boyce sustains again. This happens a few more times and Boyce tells Prior he needs to move on.

2:37 p.m. Prior asks about the purpose of the meeting being to get her story straight. Blake objects and Boyce grants the objection. Prior follows up by asking what Zulema’s understanding of the meeting was. She says there were some inconsistencies and Hermosillo wanted to be ahead of “what you’re doing right now.”

2:36 p.m. Prior asks if Hermosillo was aiding her to try and make it so defense attorneys could not attack her. She says yes. Prior asks if during the meeting, she was attempting to get her story straight if they had to testify in this case. Blake objects and Boyce overrules the objection.

2:34 p.m. Jurors are back in. Prior asks the court reporter to read back the last question: “Was there ever a time that there was a discussion about attempting to make your testimony credible?” Prior tells Zulema she’s had a chance to review a recording of her with police. He asks the question and Zulema says, “Yes.” Zulema says Hermosillo was trying to reconcile her statements to Gilbert police and the statements she was giving them.

2:29 p.m. Hermosillo says Zumela told Gilbert police that she didn’t know how to get a hold of Alex and Chad. Hermosillo asks why she told them that. Prior stops the recording. Boyce says that jurors can be brought back in now and Prior can pick up with his last question – was there ever a time where you had a discussion about making you sound credible.

2:27 p.m. Hermosillo says they are trying to eliminate things Lori and Chad’s defense will bring up during trial. Hermosillo says part of the defense could be they try to pin the crimes on other people or make Zumela not look credible. Hermosillo says in order to make her look credible in court, they want to get ahead of inconsistent statements.

2:25 p.m. Prior plays a recording from a police interview with Zulema, Hermosillo, Kaiakamanu and attorney Garrett Smith. Hermosillo says some of the statements Zulema gave Gilbert police are different than what she told Rexburg police. Zulema asks if they were statements from around the time Alex died.

2:23 p.m. Boyce says he will now take up an evidentiary issue that will take around 10-15 minutes. Jurors are being excused.

2:21 p.m. Prior asks if there was ever a discussion with law enforcement about attempting to make Zulema’s testimony credible. She says she doesn’t recall. Prior asks for a sidebar.

2:20 p.m. Prior asks Zulema if she was interviewed by anyone prior to her testimony today. Zulema says she had interviews with the prosecutors when she arrived in Boise Sunday night. Prior asks how many police officers have interviewed Zulema. She doesn’t know.

2:18 p.m. Prior asks Zulema when she started dating Alex and how often they saw each other. Zumela says they had one dinner date in August 2019. Between August and November, Zulema and Alex saw each other around three times. They got engaged on Nov. 7, 2019. They were married at the end of November.

2:14 p.m. Prior asks Zulema if she has heard who is accused of shooting at Brandon Boudreaux. Zulema says Alex Cox. Prior asks if she knew Alex was involved. She says no. Prior asks if Zulema was involved. She says no.

2:12 p.m. Zulema wrote to Lori, “I have to go to work. lol.” Prior asks what that means. Zulema says it’s just a comment. Zulema told Lori she had a vision. Prior asks if Chad or Lori told her to have the vision. Zulema says nobody tells you to have a vision – you have them on your own.

2:10 p.m. Prior ask Zulema if she recalls sending Lori an email about having a vision in the celestial room. She does. Prior asks the date of the email. Zulema doesn’t recall so the bailiff shows her the email. It was from Nov. 29, 2018.

2:08 p.m. Prior asks about an email on April 14, 2019. Zulema wrote that angels still talk to men and women. Prior asks what it means. Zumela says Lori had visitations from angels.

2:06 p.m. Many of the jurors are rubbing their eyes and their heads are bowed. One has his eyes closed. Quite different from this morning when they were taking notes and seemed engaged with the testimony.

2:03 p.m. Prior asks Zulema when Lori first met Chad. Zulema says it was in October 2018. Zulema emailed Lori and told her that she was to be protected and Zulema would be her protector. Zulema learned this during her meditation and prayers. She said it was if angels were jumping for joy saying, “Yes, yes, yes!”

2:01 p.m. Prior asks about a third eye on the forehead, a phrase Zulema used in an email. Zulema says energetically, there is a third eye on the forehead between the two eyes. Prior asks if Zulema actually sees a third eye on the forehead when she sleeps. Zulema says no.

1:58 p.m. Prior asks Zulema about another email from December 2019. He shows her the message to refresh her memory. Zulema sent this email to Lori and said she had been attacked by some demons while she was sleeping. Zulema heard a voice of something unrecognizable next to her. Zulema told Lori she saw demons attacking Lori in her dream. Prior asks if Chad or Lori told Zulema that she was being attacked by demons. Zulema says no. She experienced it without prompting from Lori or Chad.

1:55 p.m. Prior asks Zulema if Lori encouraged her to have the energy session with Stacy. Zulema says it was something she did herself. Prior quotes from part of the email where metal cages are put up to block energy. Prior asks if this is consistent with her LDS beliefs. Zulema says no – it’s inconsistent. Zulema then wrote she cut the cords and all the records were kept of her. Zumela doesn’t remember who she was talking about. Zulema wrote she would create a storm and bring protection to you. Zulema says this was done energetically and spiritually.

1:53 p.m. Zulema reviews the email and Prior asks her about having an energy session with her friend Stacy. Zulema says the person connects to your energy and then sees if there is any negative energy or things that would influence you negatively. This email was sent to Lori in Feb. 2019.

1:51 p.m. Prior asks Zulema if she has any recollection of talking to other people about her visions. Zulema says yes. Prior asks if she recalls talking about cutting cords. Zulema doesn’t. Prior asks to refresh her memory with an exhibit.

1:48 p.m. Another exhibit is shown with numbers listed on the paper. There are circles and lines next to the numbers. Prior asks her to explain what the drawing means. Zumela says this comes from information Chad had given her over the phone about her prior life.

1:46 p.m. Prior shows the back of the restaurant receipt from Firebirds. It shows the drawings of the light/dark scale. Prior says he’s confused about what this means. The higher number on the light scale, the better it is for the person. The higher number on the dark scale, the worse it is. Zulema says this particular drawing was done by Lori at a luncheon. Chad was not there.

1:44 p.m. Prior asks Zulema what her knowledge of portals is – other than what Chad and Lori told her. Zulema said she doesn’t have much knowledge other than what’s in the movies.

1:43 p.m. Prior asks Zulema if she has a phone or something she’s looking at. Zumela says no – she has her hands. Prior asks Zulema if she recalls hearing Chad talk about Tammy having a short life. Zumela doesn’t recall.

1:42 p.m. Prior asks where JJ was when Lori went to Hawaii. Zulema says JJ was with Charles. Prior asks if Lori ever mentioned that she was trying to convince Charles to make her the beneficiary of his life insurance. Zulema says no.

1:41 p.m. Prior: “Isn’t it true you were quite specific in your responses to the prosecutor about her questions.” Zulema says yes. Prior: “And yet when I ask you a question about Lori moving to Texas you don’t remember.” Zulema responds, “I don’t remember the date.”

1:39 p.m. Prior points out that Charles did not die. A second casting was held. Prior asks Zulema if the vast majority of the information she got was from Lori passing along what Chad told her. Zulema says that’s correct.

1:37 p.m. Prior asks when the first casting was. Zulema says the end of March 2019. Prior asks if at the end of the casting they received notice that Charles Vallow died. Zulema says Chad and Lori taught that the person had already died and there was a two minute window where an evil spirit could come into the body. Zulema says Chad and Lori taught the body was already dead and it was being occupied by an evil spirit. Zulema says if a casting worked, it would be more accurate to say the body would finally die naturally.

1:36 p.m. Prior asks if the Seven Gatherer account was used regularly. Zulema says it was used but doesn’t know the number of documents. Prior asks if it was used frequently. Zulema says probably. Prior asks if Melanie Gibb was running the casting on Charles. Zulema says no – it was Lori Vallow.

1:33 p.m. Prior continues questioning Zulema. He asks about castings and if Chad and Lori ever spoke of killing a body during a casting. She says no. Prior asks Zulema who was present for the casting of Charles. The first time it was Christina, Nicole, Serena, Melanie Gibb, Lori and Zulema. Prior asks if it was a Seven Gatherer casting. Zumela doesn’t remember if the email had been created at that time.

1:28 p.m. The jurors are now being brought in.

1:26 p.m. Boyce says the police interview is nearly four hours which is problematic to admit for the jury. Boyce says he’s not going to allow the exhibits in but Prior can ask Zulema about what she said. Boyce says Zulema’s statements don’t rise to the level of being inconsistent based on Idaho law.

1:25 p.m. Prior argues that Zulema’s testimony about the body dying when possessed was inconsistent – she said in court that the body had to die but in the police interview, she didn’t talk about the body being killed. Blake argues the statements are not inconsistent.

1:23 p.m. Boyce says the clips were played to refresh the memory of the witness and for the judge to see if there were inconsistencies in her statements. Boyce asks Prior what the inconsistent statement was. Prior says Zumela testified that the email was used a few times but during the police interview, she said it was used a lot more.

1:21 p.m. The next clip is played. Prior stops it and says he has the wrong spot. He slips to the clip he intended to play. Zulema talks about Seven Gatherers about the group exchanging information through a shared email address. Zulema says they used it for a little bit. Zulema is asked if she still has access to the account. She says she doesn’t know.

1:20 p.m. Prior asks for a sidebar. Boyce says no – we need to keep things moving and the jury isn’t in the courtroom.

1:17 p.m. We see another police interview of Zulema speaking with Kaaiakamanu and the FBI agent. Prior begins to play the clip and Blake objects saying the issue being discussed on the tape hasn’t come up. Boyce says there’s no reason to continue playing the clip because it’s way out of the scope. The objection is sustained.

1:13 p.m. Prior plays the first clip. We see Zulema talking to police. She is asked if she believes about the demon being in a body and the way to get the demon out is to kill the body. Zulema says no – the way Chad explained it is the demon would be expelled, put a protection around the body so no other entities could come in but Zulema says they never spoke about killing the body. They only talked about expelling or casting out the bad spirit, she told Hermosillo.

1:10 p.m. The jurors will remain outside the courtroom as Prior publishes excerpts of Zumela’s police interview. Boyce says this is being allowed to refresh Zumela’s memory.

1:09 p.m. We are back in the courtroom. Attorneys have been meeting with Judge Boyce in chambers. Zumela remains on the stand. John Prior will continue cross examination.
 
way behind last two days. did see nate's last night but never a full catchup here. now listening to him live but only half as multi tasking. and missed first 30 mintues and only got to read a few minutes today of all the Tweets. will have to go back if can but right now just sharing nate's live tonight. Still live. I will have to rewatch but I like to see lives even part when I can.

 
Monday 6th - morning update
WARNING - GRAPHIC TESTIMONY


LIVE UPDATES FROM THE CHAD DAYBELL TRIAL​

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Please excuse the typos. These are live updates from the courtroom.

11:59 a.m. Chad repeatedly stresses that Melani needs to get out of Rexburg. Blake says this would be a good stopping point for lunch. Be back in one hour.

11:58 a.m. Lori tells Melani she needs to get out of Rexburg so the police aren’t targeting her. Chad suggests going to Idaho Falls and they can find a house for the same price. Melani says, “We’ll go wherever. I’ll live in a dumpster with Ian. He’s so amazing.” Chad says Idaho Falls has good prices for rentals.

11:56 a.m. Melani asks about Rexburg being a place of safety. Chad says yes but there will be dark times and people starving by McDonald’s. Lori says they were all told to go to Rexburg but because of the “agency of the dark,” Satan has infiltrated people including the police who are very dark.

11:54 a.m. Chad suggests they need to permanently move from Rexburg – not just get an Airbnb in Idaho Falls. Melani asks how to get Hermosillo to stop. “He’s just raged with this whole thing. He was yelling at me and said he wasn’t going to stop.” Chad says Hermosillo isn’t going anywhere and Melani needs to leave. “The wicked stay in one place and the righteous leave.” Chad tells Melani she needs to leave like Lehi had to leave Jerusalem. Chad tells Melani to get on Zillow and look for housing.

11:52 a.m. Another portion of the recording is played. Chad says “they’re not going to leave you alone. The network is pretty deep and they’re going to see you as the target.” Chad says for Melani’s sake and sanity she should leave. Chad says Melani was led to Rexburg to find Ian but now it’s time for her to move away. Melani says Ian’s kids are there. Chad says Madison County is a cursed place.

11:51 a.m. Blake plays another part of the recording. Melani is talking with Chad and Lori. Chad said he was worried law enforcement were still watching Melani. Ian had already spoken with police and knew they were looking for JJ and Tylee.

11:49 a.m. Blake asks Ian what Gibb lied about. Ian says she lied about having JJ in her possession. On the recording, there was a reference to Dave being the problem. Dave is David Warwick, Gibb’s boyfriend at the time.

11:47 a.m. Blake plays another part of the recording. Melani says she hasn’t trusted Gibb and Lori says she can no longer be trusted because she called the police. “I don’t see it going anywhere bad for any of us,” Lori says on the call.

11:45 a.m. Another portion of the recording is played. Melani talks about Lt. Ball bringing her banana bread and she was worried he might be poisoning her. Lori says he’s probably good but Hope and Hermosillo are the bad ones.

11:43 a.m. Blake plays another portion of the call. We hear Melani talking about emotional attacks. Ian says there were not physical attacks but spiritual attacks from Satan. Ian had not heard of these types of attacks before he met Melani.

11:38 a.m. During the first portion, Ian says we hear Alex and Zulema talking about Dave “not buying anything.” Ian says Gibb and David were going to step away because things were getting hot. A female says Raphael – referencing Chad. Lori and Chad then join the call and Melani is sobbing. Ian says Melani was relieved to hear their voice. Chad and Lori would call in and then disappear for days or a week at a time. Ian did not know where Chad and Lori were during this time.

11:37 a.m. Blake says there are 87 minutes of recordings but we will only hear portions today.

11:36 a.m. These recordings have never been played publicly before today.

11:34 a.m. Blake moves to admit the secret recordings Ian made while on his honeymoon with Melani in Jackson Hole.

11:33 a.m. Ian had an apartment across the street from Melani’s in Rexburg in December 2019. When they got married, he moved into Melani’s apartment. Chad told Ian that he and Melani should leave as soon as possible to get away from law enforcement.

11:31 a.m. Ian went to law enforcement on Dec. 4 or 5, 2019. They asked if he would record conversations for them. He said he would. Chad and Lori told Ian that specific detectives were possessed. Ian recorded the conversations on Dec. 6-7-8. There was later a call with Lori and Chad where Ian learned Alex had died.

11:30 a.m. Melani shared things the night of their marriage that caused him concerns. The next morning, Ian’s daughter thought it would be funny to play hide-and-seek. His daughter would not answer him for five minutes and it was quiet. He eventually found her. He was concerned for JJ and Tylee and also concerned for his two children and his ex-wife.

11:28 a.m. Ian never met JJ or Tylee. During the Zoom call, Ian was at his sister’s home in Arizona. He did not know where Chad and Lori were. Ian told Melani the blessing was odd. Melani shared some of her religious beliefs with him prior to their marriage but the bulk of it was the night they got married. Ian was originally open to some of the idea but on their wedding night, things changed.

11:26 a.m. Ian met with Chad and Lori on Zoom to ask for their blessing in marrying Melani. Melani looked to them as parents. Ian asked for their blessing and they approved of her marrying Melani. Chad and Lori also gave Ian a religious blessing. “They talked about shielding me with light, removing dark weapons from me,” Ian says. The blessing was on Zoom and not in-person. He says it was very unorthodox.

11:25 a.m. Blake is questioning Ian. She asks how Ian knows Lori, Alex and Chad. Ian met Lori and Chad on Nov. 23 or 24, 2019. They met in person in Lori’s Rexburg apartment. Ian met Alex Cox the night Ian and Melani got married – Nov. 30, 2019.

11:23 a.m. I interviewed Ian and Melani in 2020 before the children were found. You can find part of the interview here.

11:22 a.m. Next witness is Ian Pawlowski – Melani’s husband.

11:20 a.m. Sidebar is over. Blake asks about the light and dark. Melani asked Lori to get the answers from Chad. Blake asks if she learned if Charles was designated as dark. He was. Blake asks if JJ and Tylee were designated as dark. They were. None of them are still alive. Blake has no further questions.

11:18 a.m. Prior asks for a sidebar. White noise is played in the courtroom.

11:17 a.m. Blake asks if Melani has ever heard teachings about zombies in the LDS faith. Melani says no. Blake asks if Lori and Chad lived together in Arizona. Melani says they had separate apartments.

11:16 a.m. Melani says Chad and Lori would use the scriptures as a basis and then elaborate their as far as light and dark, etc.

11:15 a.m. Prior has nothing further. Blake will now conduct re-direct. She asks if Chad and Lori taught her these things. “I believe the ideas were from both of them.”

11:14 a.m. Prior asks if there was anything unusual with the relationship of Alex and Lori. Melani says not that she observed. Prior asks if Alex lived with Lori in Arizona. Melani says for a time. Melani doesn’t know if Alex wanted to go to Hawaii when Lori moved. Alex did move with Lori to Rexburg.

11:12 a.m. Prior asks about zombies and if all the information she learned about zombies came from Lori. Melani says she assumes it came from Chad. She can’t remember if Chad used the term zombie in front of her.

11:11 a.m. Melani says Gibb told her that she went to camps to teach people about energy work.

11:10 a.m. Prior asks Melani if she participated in energy work with Gibb or Lori. Melani says she listened to the ideas.

11:08 a.m. Prior asks Melani what energy work means. Melani says she isn’t too familiar on it but people who do energy work do something similar to a reading – certain connections to ancestors. He asks about vibrations. Melani says in energy work, you can be on a higher or lower vibration or frequency.

11:07 a.m. Prior asks Melani about Julie Rowe. Melani says she has never met Rowe but believes she had podcasts that spoke about spiritual beliefs. Melani never participated in Gibb’s podcasts. Prior asks about castings and if it was part of her LDS faith. Melani says it talks about castings in the scriptures but she wasn’t familiar with it.

11:06 a.m. Prior asks about light and dark being in the LDS faith. “It does talk about light and dark in the scriptures,” Melani says. Prior asks Melani if she ever spoke directly to Chad about Tylee and JJ. Melani doesn’t know if she did.

11:04 a.m. Prior asks if the vast majority of information Melani received about Chad came from Lori. Melani says that’s correct. Prior asks about Lori moving to Idaho and if Melani was aware Lori had talked about moving in with Melanie Gibb. Melani is not aware of that information.

11:03 a.m. Melani says some of the ideas at the conference were LDS based. Prior asks if the conferences were inconsistent with the LDS Church. Melani says not that she saw. Prior asks about Seven Gatherers. Melani says it doesn’t ring a bell and she was never part of a group called the Seven Gatherers.

11:02 a.m. Prior asks Melani to explain Preparing a People. She says she didn’t know much about it but Chad was speaking and there was mostly LDS-based ideas about the Second Coming – how to prepare for the end of times.

11 a.m. Melani was living in Gilbert, Arizona in 2018. She lived about 10-12 minutes from Lori. Prior asks Melani about Melanie Gibb. They met toward the end of 2018. Melani attended a Preparing a People event in 2018 where Chad spoke.

10:59 a.m. Prior asks about Lori going to Hawaii in Nov. 2019. Melani says Lori went for 7-10 days. Prior asks if Melani recalls Lori leaving for a longer period of time during 2019-2020 to Hawaii. Melani isn’t sure how long Lori went.

10:58 a.m. Blake has no further questions. Prior will now cross-examine.

10:57 a.m. When police were looking for the children, Melani says Alex seemed calm and normal. Melani says Chad reached out to her and said Brandon was following her and put a tracking device on her car. That turned out to be true and Melani says it validated a lot of what Chad was saying.

10:55 a.m. Melani says Lori and Alex had a playful, fun sibling relationship and would help each other out. Alex would help Lori if she needed his help. Alex admired Chad and looked up to him like a brother, Melani says. “I believe Alex had enough trust in Chad that he would listen to him,” Melani says.

10:53 a.m. Melani says Chad and Lori told her Rexburg Det. Ray Hermosillo and Rexburg Det. Dave Hope were dark. Melani moved to Rexburg the first week of Nov. 2019. She was also living there in Dec. 2019. After the kids were declared missing, Chad told Melani that Madison County was not safe and that she needed to move away.

10:52 a.m. Blake asks where the idea of the body having to die if it became too dark came from. Melani says she believes it came from Chad. Chad and Lori told Melani that law enforcement was corrupt and after them. They said police could not be trusted and told Melani not to speak with law enforcement.

10:51 a.m. Melani says she was taught there was some type of darkness that could not be cast out and the Lord would take the person because the darkness was too much.

10:50 a.m. Blake asks about The Church of the Firstborn. Melani says Chad was meant to be a leader in the church and Chad and Lori were supposed to help with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Melani would ask Chad if someone was dark or light. She eventually learned a different term for people who were possessed: zombie. Lori introduced the term to her.

10:48 a.m. Melani says Lori gave her messages from Chad. Blake asks if something happened in Idaho while Melani was in Hawaii. Melani says yes – Tammy Daybell passed away. Melani says Lori seemed to be in a state of shock. Lori went back to Idaho. Melani stayed in Hawaii. Alex was supposed to go with them on the trip to Hawaii but Chad had something he needed help with.

10:46 a.m. Melani says Lori was never on the phone with JJ or Tylee. When they went to Hawaii, JJ and Tylee were not there. Melani heard Lori on the phone but Lori used headphones so Melani never knew who Lori was talking to. Melani says she thought she knew the nature of Chad and Lori’s relationship but now she has different ideas.

10:45 a.m. When Melani asked about JJ, Lori said she had hired a nanny who was taking care of JJ. Melani doesn’t remember seeing Chad during her visit. In October, Melani went with Lori to Hawaii. Before the Hawaii trip, they went to Missouri. Tylee and JJ were not with them. Melani asked Lori where they were. Lori said the nanny was helping with JJ and Tylee didn’t need a babysitter – she was being independent. Melani says Tylee could have also been helping with JJ.

10:43 a.m. Melani visited Lori in Rexburg at the end of September 2019 and stayed at her aunt’s apartment. JJ and Tylee were not there. Melani Gibb and David Warwick were not there. Melani asked Lori where Tylee was. Melani says she got a few different answers but one she recalls was Tylee was with a friend doing her own thing at college.

10:42 a.m. Blake asks Melani if she ever asked Lori why she was moving to Rexburg. Melani says Lori was telling everyone different things and needed to be protected. Lori said she was going into hiding. Lori took Tylee and JJ to Rexburg. Alex helped them move and also moved himself.

10:41 a.m. Blake asks Melani if she ever spoke to Alex about Charles’ death. She said Alex told her Charles became angry, they got into a fight, a baseball bat was involved and then Alex ended up shooting Charles.

10:39 a.m. Melani learned about the death of Charles from Adam Cox, her uncle. Adam says Charles had been murdered. Melani remembers going to see Lori. Lori and Tylee explained Alex got into a fight with Charles and Alex shot Charles.

10:38 a.m. Blake asks Melani if she knows Tylee. Melani says yes – Tylee is her cousin. The last time she saw Tylee is when Tylee was packing her items preparing to move from Arizona to Idaho. JJ was also Melani’s cousin.

10:38 a.m. Blake asks Melani if she knows where the idea of castings originated. “From what I remember, their teachings and ideas were constantly changing but I believe the original idea came from the Julie Rowe podcast where she would teach how to cast out,” Melani says. Melani says Chad and Lori then added their own ideas to it.

10:36 a.m. Melani learned at some point that JJ was affected by some type of darkness. She also learned that Chad labeled Tylee as dark. Melani assumes Chad labeled JJ as dark.

10:35 a.m. Melani recalls being invited by Lori to do a casting on Charles Vallow. Melani says Lori and Chad believed Charles was affected by a dark spirit. Charles was not physically present and nothing physically was being done to Charles.

10:33 a.m. From what Melani was told, Chad didn’t always need his pendulum but it was something extra he could use. Melani recalls learning about casting – you raise your right hand and cast out a dark spirit or demon. Chad and Lori explained how to cast spirits out.

10:32 a.m. Melani says the idea about light and dark came from Chad. Melani says Chad said he had a gift to spiritually discern and he could see light and dark and if a person had good intentions. Melani recalls Chad used a necklace/pendant/pendulum that he would use to get answers. Melani makes a swinging motion with her hand.

10:30 a.m. Melani says she was close with Lori. She met Chad in 2018. Melani would send messages to Chad through Lori asking for guidance and advice. Melani says she developed a close relationship with Chad and began referring to him as dad. Melani recalls Chad and Lori sharing with her teachings about light and dark.

10:28 a.m. Melani has dark hair and white-rimmed glasses. She walks into the courtroom with her two attorneys – Garrett Smith and Joshua Garner.

10:27 a.m. Next witness is Melani Pawlowski – Lori Vallow’s niece.

10:23 a.m. Blake asks Boyce if they can approach before calling the next witness. Attorneys huddle in corner as white noise is played in the courtroom.

10:21 a.m. We are back in the courtroom. Boyce is on the bench and jurors are being brought in.

9:53 a.m. Boyce suggests we take a mid-morning recess. Back in 20-30 minutes.

9:51 a.m. Wood asks about himself being at the planning meeting and asks Daniels if he recalls the two Fremont prosecutors being at the meeting. Daniels doesn’t remember as he didn’t really know people. Daniels says dog and cat remains were also found at the property. Wood has no further questions. Daniels will remain under subpoena.

9:50 a.m. Daniels talks about the cell phone ping that got officers to the general quadrant of the property but depressions in the ground and other factors helped lead them to the actual burial sites.

9:49 a.m. Wood follows up by asking about the tools that were collected. Daniels says they were packaged and given to the Rexburg Police Department.

9:48 a.m. Prior has no further questions. Wood will now have questions on re-direct.

9:47 a.m. Prior asks about a sign on the property. Daniels describes two wooden posts and a dog statue. Prior asks if that’s how they knew this was the area of the pet cemetery. Daniels says the dog statue and several depressions in the ground made him think this was the pet cemetery.

9:44 a.m. Prior asks a question, doesn’t like the answer and objects to the answer. Boyce then tells Prior to stop interrupting him as Prior interrupts the judge. Boyce tells Prior to stop interrupting people and to ask another question.

9:43 a.m. Prior asks if citizens or anyone else would have had access to Chad’s property on June 9-10. Daniels say no.

9:41 a.m. Prior asks about the shovels being moved and the photos being taken. Daniels say the tools were moved and photos were taken but he doesn’t know the exact timeframe. Prior asks if any law enforcement officers used Chad’s tools when they were digging on the property. Daniels says no, they did not.

9:40 a.m. Prior shows another photo of the shovels leaned up against a wall in the garage. He zooms in on the handle of the shovel and asks if he notices anything. Daniels say he’s still not seeing anything.

9:38 a.m. Prior shows another close-up photo of the shovel’s black handle. Prior asks if Daniels can see differences. “I don’t think I’m seeing what you want me to see,” Daniels says. “I see a black shovel handle.” Prior says, “Fair enough.”

9:36 a.m. Prior asks about the black handle on a shovel. He zooms in and asks Daniels what he sees on the handle. Daniels says it’s hard to tell what it is. “It’s something, right?” Prior asks. Daniels says he can’t tell what it is.

9:35 a.m. Prior shows the wide shot photo of the tools laid out on the ground of the garage. These are the tools that were seized. Prior asks Daniels if he laid out the tools. Daniels says no, someone else on scene did.

9:32 a.m. Prior zooms in a large black-handled took. He asks Daniels if there is anything that indicates there could be an issue with the tool. Daniels says he would need to look at the entire tool. “There’s more than just looking at a little speck on the handle.”

9:30 a.m. Prior shows a photo of the tools in Chad’s garage. He asks Daniels if all of the tools were confiscated. He says not all of them. Daniels walked by all of the tools and says the photo is an “as-is” picture of what things looked like that day.

9:27 a.m. Prior asks what plans wiere put in place to secure the property on the evening of June 9. Police stopped working around 5 p.m. Daniels says local law enforcement secured the scene that evening.

9:25 a.m. Prior asks about the backhoe. Daniels says the backhoe was utilized to excavate the area about Tylee’s remains. Prior asks if all of the remains of Tylee were removed from the gravesite. Daniels says yes. Prior asks if all of the remains of JJ were removed. Daniels says yes.

9:24 a.m. Prior asks about the theory of the prosecutors being the bodies were placed in the ground in Sept. 2019. Daniels says he doesn’t know what the theory is. Prior asks about the “necklace around Tylee’s neck.” Daniels says a charm was found at the site. It was observable by eye on the p of the ground.

9:23 a.m. Prior asks about the tree and irrigation pond near JJ’s burial site. He asks if the grass in the area looked like it had been moved. Daniels says not recently.

9:21 a.m. Prior asks Daniels if he recalls the door to the garage being open when police arrived. He doesn’t remember. Prior asks the distance from the back of the house to the place where JJ was found. Daniels doesn’t know the distance.

9:19 a.m. Prior asks Daniels if the large response would have drawn people to the scene to see what was going on. Daniels says maybe. Prior asks if Daniels looked around to see if people were watching what they were doing. Daniels says no, he was busy.

9:17 a.m. Daniels recalls there were just over 50 law enforcement officers on the scene over the two days. Prior asks if he’s aware Wood was there. Daniels recalls seeing him but didn’t know who Wood was at time.

9:16 a.m. Prior asks Daniels who was running the meeting. Daniels doesn’t remember. Prior asks who initiated the meeting. Daniels doesn’t know but guesses one of the case agents put it together.

9:14 a.m. Prior asks Daniels how many agencies were at the planning meeting before officers searched the property. Daniels doesn’t recall them all but says his team, other FBI employees, the Rexburg Police Department, Fremont County Sheriff’s Office and Rob Wood were all there.

9:13 a.m. Prior asks Daniels about his team staging at the Salem church and how many people were there. Daniels says eight on his team were there but he does not know a total amount of all law enforcement officers.

9:11 a.m. Prior asks about the structure attached to Chad Daybell’s garage. Prior asks Daniels if he has knowledge about what the second story is used for. He says on June 8, there was a mattress and comforter on the floor as if someone had been sleeping in the room. Prior asks Daniels if he knew who was residing in the residence in Sept. 2019 and June 2020. Daniels says he is not aware.

9:10 a.m. Prior asks if it’s unusual that Daniels can’t remember and needs to review his notes on the topic. Daniels says no – he didn’t know he was going to be asked about the apartment searches and has done a lot of searches.

9:09 a.m. Prior asks about Luminol being used on the scene. Daniels says that’s a tool used to determine if blood was involved. Prior asks if it was used in an upstairs apartment. Daniels says he doesn’t recall – he would need to review his notes.

9:07 a.m. Prior says he wants to go over the procedural aspects of Daniels’ involvement in the case. He begins by asking about the search of Alex Cox’s apartment. Daniels was an ERT Senior Team Leader in the search of two apartments in Rexburg – he doesn’t recall who was in which apartment. Prior asks about cadaver dogs being used in the search.

9:04 a.m. Wood has no further questions for Daniels. Prior will now cross-examine.

9:02 a.m. After the area was excavated, a backhoe was brought in to go deeper and wider just in case Tylee was buried in the same area. “It was logical to use that they might have put her in the same place,” Daniel says. Nothing else was found near JJ’s remains.

9 a.m. Daniels describes the next photo as showing more duct tape wrapped around the body. JJ’s remains were found first at the property and the first remains that were fully excavated and provided to the coroner on June 9, 2020.

8:58 a.m. The team continued to excavate and Daniels describes uncovering the feet area of the human remains. The black plastic wrapped the entire body. A big piece of duct tape started to appear on the wrapping as crews worked to uncover the remains.

8:57 a.m. Daniels describes the next photo as showing human hair coming out of the plastic. “That’s the point we knew these were human remains and those remains were JJ Vallow’s. This became JJ’s burial site.”

8:55 a.m. Daniels describes finding something wrapped in plastic. “It felt like it was a human head or skull inside that black plastic. You could tell that plastic was tied up with whatever was inside.” Daniels cut the black plastic and found white plastic wrapped around the skull.

8:54 a.m. The next photo shows two wooden planks that were under the stones. Boyce says because of the nature of the next pictures, they will not be shown to the public in the courtroom or on the livestream. Jurors will view the images on their monitors.

8:53 a.m. Daniels points out the stones were laid precisely in a row and you can see the tree roots around the rocks. Someone has taken the time to cut through the tree roots for the burial. Larry Woodcock is wiping tears from his eyes as Daniels testifies.

8:52 a.m. Prior objects and asks for a sidebar. Boyce grants the objection and attorneys huddle in the corner of the courtroom.

8:49 a.m. Daniels explains how the officers on scene removed the soil and vegetation layer by layer. Wood displays photos of the how the area looked after these layers are removed. We see a picture of the large stones that were lined up over wood that were on top of JJ’s wrapped body.

8:46 a.m. The next photos show a closer look at the burial site. There is higher grass around the spot and a thinning of vegetation in the area where JJ’s body was found along with a raised berm.

8:43 a.m. Wood begins by showing an overhead satellite photo of the tree and pond area where JJ Vallow’s body was found on Chad’s property.

8:41 a.m. Boyce is on the bench and the jurors have been seated. Lots of people in the gallery today. The spectators on the right side of the courtroom have been moved to the other side. It’s likely graphic photos will be shown.

8:32 a.m. The attorneys just left the courtroom and are meeting with Judge Steven Boyce.

8:30 a.m. Larry Woodcock is in the courtroom this morning. I asked if Kay was coming and he said, “Today is going to be a hard day. I told her it’s best if she stayed home.”

8:23 a.m. We are back in the courtroom for day 17 of Chad Daybell’s trial. Chad is dressed in a light colored dress shirt with a dark tie. He’s chatting with John Prior, his defense attorney. Madison Co. Prosecuting Attorney Rob Wood will continue questioning FBI Special Agent Steve Daniels – a member of Evidence Response Team (ERT).
I did see all this yesterday on breaks. Thank God for your doing this every day trial is on! Not caught up on all of the rest yet but did do Nate's last night, haven't done any of Linda's but want to and read the rest and ideally SEE he testimony of this bunch but that isn't going to happen for me any time soon except the excerpts Nate, etc. show in their recaps.
 
You gotta watch out for that banana bread.

No need to worry about your murdering Aunt Lori, Uncle Alex and new 'Dad Chad'.
Yeah watched clips on Nate's last night. She just answers and talks of all like this was just some day in the life and in her life that went on that she just trusted and just another day in their lives some years back. Sounds so normal to listen to her or that she wasn't so nuts and just knew church and listened to Chad and Lori etc. Interestng she only recalled one casting or mentioned one and kind of evaded how many etc...Ian was supposedly a bit more shocked BUT falls for and backs Mel P big time back then and now... I don't buy all of it for a second. She nows SO much more.

She's a Minie Me, a Lori but in some ways well... I won't say worse but... Dark haired with glasses, Mel P? Lol. Lori who can't quit the bleach even in prison, she is trying to show the public she isn't like her... Imo.

I AM way behind and half listening to Nate's live still tonight while having to text about my home and more. I NEVER get an eleven hour weekday and today I had one. Three of the last four have been that. Saturday, Sunday and today.

Soaked my feet. It was too many days of such hours. My days off are messed up this week. Trained someone new in yeserday and they've hired a ton new but when they made the schedule three weeks ago they were shorthanded. So I don't get my two days off in a row. The OT on the paycheck is nice but I'd never take as many hours over that have been the case lately. Or all these eleven hour days.

Not to get sideways, just have kept up but not perfectly he last two days. However, did see Nate last night and half heard his tonight. He is just tending as I type this.
 
Zulema has more common sense than the others put together.

Anyone who disagreed with this system of Chad's Light and Dark would be labelled dark and murdered so of course you didn't disagree that much with him.

It was a murder charter - to get rid of anyone who got in his way. And if they had life insurance you could claim, even better.

I think they were just suckered in, like any other cult.

Disgusting human being.

Zulema and the two Mels are lucky to be alive plus the other ladies Selena and Audrey was it? Luckily they turned to LE at the right time IMO.
Chad thought he was a god? I don’t think so. I think that he was a manipulator from day one. He just found the right women to adore him. He should’ve taken a plea deal.
 
Still behind. I am rewatching Nate as last night I had it on but didn't have the time to focus on it as was handling other things.

So both Mels in testimony denied knowing what the 7 Gatherer thing is BUT Zulema knows of it AND lists the two Mels as part of that 7. I've saidl it before and will again both Mels need to be in prison as well. I also have not been a fan of Zulema for a few reasons and remain that way but seems she is far more forthcoming. SEEMS like it. Of course it's always been said she has an immunity deal.

You know though Prior can hit this stuff all he wants and nothing removes Chad imo as the leader or coconspirator as there is plenty of that as well in the testimony. Don't know what he plans to do or make as an argument at the end but maybe isolate enough to make it seem Lori and her gatherers were the ones responsible only for the kids lol? There's plenty showing otherwise.

A bit overloaded. Work is one thing but behind on cases or slipping behind last day or two and really hard to catch up as they were big days in this one. I am more up than I was so long as I catch up mostly now before another day of trial starts this morning. Argh, and a messed up days off schedule this week with a lot I have to accomplish today. Then I work tomorrow again and then have Friday off. They messed with my usual two in a row as they didn't have enough help when they scheduled it weeks ago but now we have ample new help hired but it was already scheduled. Yesterday I had a grueling 11 hour day, 3rd one of those in 4 days. Normally I don't get those on weekdays either, just weekends. Anyhow, I digress, back to reading and listening to Nate. Also how to heck to catch Linda's last couple but not sure going to be able to.
 
Okay I'm confused. Says a casting on Tammy was October 9th at Mel P's house but weren't they all in the apartments by then? Sounds like Lori was in town and called Zulema over to Mel P's house that even. 2019. The dates and events and you name it in this case get just so confusing. And players. And murders. the POOR jury.

Thought Mel moved to Rexburg. Is this the marital home? Wasn't Mel up there by then or did she move around then or after Tammy's death? I guess it doesn't matter. Maybe things were still in flux or she had the home up for sale or something. We know Brandon's address changed as they attempted to shoot him when he got home one day... So maybe she had the home yet...?
 
Okay.... Wow. So Zulema and Lori are at that house in AZ trying to cast Tammy while Tammy got shot at the same night. Also the night Lori was upset on the phone that someone can't do anything right (Alex)... Not SURE I buy Zulema didn't know more than she has ever let on but regardless... So these times all mesh. Man LE even figuring out all these timelines and putting all together, what a nightmare.

Maybe others caught all this yesterday, I haven't read all tweets yet, just rewatching Nate's with fuller attention on it, last night coudln't focus much at all. But if repetitive sorry, but still worth having in this thread I think so am mentioning and in event anyone like me is behind on it. This is interesting.... And Lori out of state...But trying to help by a casting on Tammy right? I think it was more alibit than anything...
 
Nate then has a good point. If while they were doing the casting in AZ if Tammy happened to die, imagine the impact of that.... He didnt' say this but I will take it further. On Zulema or on their "groupies" as to the power and how it worked... Of course TAmmy did not die and Lori was irate as all heck with Alex allegedly/probably. This was a plan to further the beliefs imo and played into her anger, not JUST that Tammy wasn't gone but the power this was going to show Zulema probably and the REST of the group from sharing the story....

I'm still not sure I buy SOME of them weren't fully in on all but either way that appears to have been the plan here...
 
OMG does the JJ stuff not need to be talked of too? CHAD said JJ was going to die young, die soon and was going to come back almost immediately as Colby's son?!!!

Colby and wife had a girl. Now they have two. WRONG GUESS there Chad! WTF? I guess I am using the F these days, resisted for all the years of my life even as a word not spoken but cases have pushed me beyond.

And of course it brings to mind Colby who so even Chad is bringing up here and it reminds me of Emma at the cop car, you raised us, we are NOT Colby dad. Paraphrasing. God knows what he was telling his own kids.

THIS is something I don't ever recall hearing about JJ at least I don't think... And from CHAD'S mouth!
 
Monday 6th - afternoon update

LIVE UPDATES FROM THE CHAD DAYBELL TRIAL​

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Please excuse the typos. These are live updates from the courtroom.

3.18 p.m. Boyce suggests given the time, we break for the day. Join me tonight at 6:30 p.m. MDT for ‘Courtroom Insider.’

3:17 p.m. Blake asks Ian who Melani was talking to about law enforcement being dark. Chad and Lori. Blake asks who was telling Melani that law enforcement was dark. Chad and Lori. Ian eventually learned where JJ and Tylee were found. Chad’s backyard. Blake is done and Ian is released from his subpoena.

3:16 p.m. Chad and Lori never indicated where the kids were and never did anything to assist in finding the kids, Ian says.

3:15 p.m. Blake asks about the comment that Hermosillo was not going to stop. Ian says he wasn’t going to stop investigating the missing kids. Blake asks if Ian was concerned for the safety and whereabouts for JJ and Tylee. He was. The police shared these concerns. Ian says Chad never offered to tell police where JJ and Tylee were.

3:13 p.m. Ian believes Alex took the shots at Brandon. Blake asks Ian if he is aware that JJ and Tylee were last seen in September – before his wife relocated to Rexburg. Ian is aware of that. Melani was in Chandler before she moved. Ian remembers the phone calls where Lori and Chad discussed the Rexburg Police Department was dark.

3:12 p.m. Blake asks him to clarify that Chad and Lori aren’t on all his recordings. They are not – but they were on the recordings that were played today.

3:11 p.m. Prior has nothing further. Blake will now re-direct.

3:10 p.m. Prior asks about the “lengthy blessings” and if blessings are unusual in the LDS faith. Ian says they aren’t unusual.

3:08 p.m. Prior asks if Ian understands “this vibration stuff.” Ian explains his understanding is it’s associated with energy work and it’s not part of the mainstream religion.

3:06 p.m. Prior asks if Ian understood that Alex knew he was going to die. Ian doesn’t know. Prior asks Ian how Alex died. Ian says he suffered a pulmonary edema. Alex never spoke to Ian about the pulmonary edema. Ian says there was a point where Chad and Lori contacted Melani before Alex died and said there would be a “powerful spiritual attack.”

3:04 p.m. Ian says a lot of burner phones were being purchased and used and code words were being used during communication on the phones. Prior asks about Chad and Lori being like a mom and dad to Melani. Ian says yes – but Melani also viewed them as religious leaders.

3:03 p.m. Prior asks about the 144,000 and if Chad was a leader or just part of the group. Ian understands that Chad took a leadership role in gathering the 144,000.

3:01 p.m. Prior asks Ian to explain the three kingdoms in LDS theology – the telestial, terrestrial and celestial. Ian explains the differences.

3 p.m. Prior asks Ian if, in his faith, castings result in people dying. Ian says he has pretty much separated himself from all religions.

2:59 p.m. Prior asks Ian if castings are new or unique to the LDS faith. Ian says no. Prior asks what a casting it. Ian says the idea is to remove evil from someone.

2:58 p.m. Prior asks if Lori and Chad were talking about “these Cain figures” being the police in Madison County. Ian says yes. Prior asks if he’s heard the term “fundamental Mormon.” Ian says yes. Prior asks him to define the term. Blake objects, Boyce grants the objection.

2:56 p.m. Prior asks if Chad ever told him that he intended to kill the kids. Ian responds, “That would be foolish.”

2:54 p.m. Prior asks if Hermosillo is one of the officers Ian and Melani interviewed with. Ian says yes. Prior asks about Melani saying Hermosillo was “raged.” Ian recalls the comment. Prior ask if, at any time, Lori mentioned this was about a custody dispute with Kay and Larry. Ian says that was never discussed.

2:52 p.m. Prior asks if he is aware of when Melanie Gibb went to the police. He doesn’t know. Prior asks if there was ever an occasion where the police asked to look at Melani’s phone. Ian says the only location he can recall if when they were at the police station. Ian says the police were tracking her location.

2:51 p.m. Boyce tells the juror not to speculate about what happened with the sidebar and says it was nothing the state, defense or witness did. Prior continues questioning and asks Ian if he was aware two kids were missing on Nov. 23, 2019.

2:49 p.m. Prior asks Ian about Garrett Smith. Prior asks Ian if Smith was nodding when Ian answered. Ian says no. Jurors are now back in the courtroom.

2:47 p.m. Boyce says an issue has come up that needs to be taken up out of the presence of the jury. He says it should be quick and the jurors leave the courtroom. Boyce says there is a concern that Ian’s attorney has been in the courtroom. Boyce asks to have him removed. Garrett Smith is escorted out.

2:43 p.m. Prior asks Ian if his wife and Lori were as close as relatives could get. Ian says yes. Prior asks about Melani being in the ER on the recording. Ian says she was suffering a medical issue and needed to be in the ER. Boyce asks for a sidebar and all the attorneys leave the courtroom.

2:42 p.m. Prior asks Ian if he is aware of some of the allegations about Alex shooting at Brandon Boudreaux. Ian says Alex was not acting as Melani’s protector that day. “If he had his best interest in mind, he was not acting as her protector.”

2:41 p.m. Chad only met Chad in-person one time – on Nov. 23, 2019. In addition to the recordings, Ian spoke with Chad and Lori one other time. Ian doesn’t know where they were and they spoke for about 45 minutes. Prior ask if Melani and Alex spoke frequently. Ian says they spoke “pretty regularly” – every other day, every 2-3 days on the phone and through text messages.

2:39 p.m. Ian met Melani on Nov. 19 on an LDS dating website. They were married on Nov. 30. Prior asks about them getting married in 11 or 12 days. Prior asks if it’s unusual in the LDS faith to marry that quick. Ian says most couples don’t get married that quickly.

2:38 p.m. Jurors have been seated and Boyce is on the bench. Prior will now cross-examine Ian Pawlowski. Ian is in the courtroom with his attorney, Garrett Smith.

2:14 p.m. Blake has no further questions. Boyce suggests we take the afternoon recess. Be back in 20 minutes.

2:13 p.m. Ian did not consider Chad as a dad. In another part of the recording, Melani talks about leaving town. She didn’t feel it was safe to fly. Chad said he wasn’t getting an answer yet on what she should do. Chad directly Melani to wait for him on what she should do.

2:11 p.m. We hear a new part of the recording where Lori says Alex was the protector. Ian doesn’t know who designated Alex as the protector. Chad tells Ian if he “ever needs to talk to Dad,” he’s there.

2:10 p.m. Melani says they were using “pretty bird” if it was not safe to call or use phones. “Not happy Bob” means it was safe. Melani suggests new phrases – “Jamie Powell” if it was safe to call, “Daddy we’re down” if not safe to call. Ian says the core words were necessary to makes sure their communication was not being tracked by police.

2:08 p.m. Melani asks Chad and Lori if the phone number they are calling is their number. Lori says it is today but it could be different tomorrow. Ian says Chad and Lori went through “quite a few burner phones.” Melani didn’t always have access to their phone numbers.

2:07 p.m. Melani and Lori are talking about the apartment status. Lori says Melani can do whatever she wants with the items that are left in Alex’s apartment. Melani asks Chad and Lori if they want anything out of the apartment. They say they don’t. This was the day after Alex died.

2:05 p.m. Chad says Al’s passing is a “marker for us all to move forward and trust in the Lord.” Chad is encouraging Melani to avoid the police. Chad says they can hopefully get their items back from Rexburg police soon. Melani says if police try to talk to her, she will just “shut down” and not say anything. “Leave me the freak alone and give me my stuff back.”

2:03 p.m. In another portion of the recording, Lori says Tammy was visiting them saying how ridiculous the Rexburg police were. Tammy was dead at this point. Lori says Alex will take care of the police now. Melani asks who is tracking her phone. Chad says Rexburg police are. Melani is concerned that police have her hard drive.

2:01 p.m. Melani is talking with Lori about whether they are going to Arizona or not. Lori says she isn’t sure. Melani says she doesn’t want Brandon to know (about Alex’s death) and “I want him (Brandon) to be at fear of Al the rest of his life.”

2 p.m. Ian says it was common for Chad to offer a blessing any time they spoke. Ian was not used to this.

1:59 p.m. Blake asks about the reference to removing weapons and curses and cutting negative cords. Ian had never heard these things before meeting this group. Blake asks if there were other times when Chad and Lori were on calls. Ian says he made a total of nine recordings.

1:58 p.m. Chad now seals up the blessing in heaven and tells Melani she will feel angels that night. Melani thanks Chad.

1:57 p.m. Lori says the Lord is coming soon and Melani and Ian are part of the #1 team. “He will come and rule and reign in power and might.” Lori says there will be no more tears and Melani and Ian will be by the Lord’s side, “as will we.” Lori tells Ian and Melani not to doubt or fear.

1:55 p.m. Lori says Melani and her children will be in New Jerusalem and she will have the opportunity to help so many children.

1:54 p.m. Chad tells Ian he is a powerful man and he’s on the Lord’s team. Chad says, “I know you’re struggling with your ex-wife but the Lord is with you. In that room, there are dozens of angels.” Chad now turns the blessing over to Lilly (Lori). Lori says, “Melani and Ian are powerful warriors on our team.” Lori is crying.

1:52 p.m. Chad says Al was triumphant and exalted. Chad says this was Alex’s next step of his mission and Alex can now help Mel and her children. Melani is sobbing. Chad starts to cry. “I am with you. Fear not. You can now move forward and continue your mission.” Chad says Alex is at work and on the job.

1:50 p.m. We hear another part of the recording and Chad is giving another blessing. This one is for Melani. Chad says, “We love you, Al.” Chad tells Melani she has been courageous, valiant and a true friend. Chad says he is including Ian in the blessing as well and removing negative weapons and cords.

1:48 p.m. Lori tells Melani that “they were getting yes” – meaning they were getting an answer that Melani’s phone was indeed being tracked. Melani often turned to Chad and Lori for answers.

1:46 p.m. The first portion is Melani talking with Lori about Melanie Gibb and David Warwick. Another portion we hear Lori saying she talks to Him every night. Ian says Lori is referencing God. Another portion is Melani saying her phone is being tracked or listened to.

1:43 p.m. Blake brings up the recording Ian made on the day Alex Cox died. It’s a 56 minute recording. Blake will play portions from the recording.

1:41 p.m. In the recording, you hear Alex saying there’s nothing left to do in Rexburg. Chad responds, “Al, you know better.” Alex still had an apartment in Rexburg at the time but was not staying there.

1:40 p.m. Ian had heard of translation before but not in the way Chad and Lori talked about. Blake plays another part of the recording.

1:37 a.m. Blake plays another clip from the recording. Melani and Lori are talking about Melanie Gibb. Lori says Gibb has telestial – or earthly – fear. Lori said Gibb is not a telestial being anymore – she’s a terrestrial being. Lori talked about Gibb needing to “cut cords from Dave.”

1:36 p.m. Chad referenced the “telestial” police force in Rexburg. Blake asks Ian what Chad and Lori intended to cleanse the earth of. Ian doesn’t know specifically but says there were discussions of earthquakes, possessed people, casting out wickedness, etc.

1:34 p.m. Blake asks about the cords. Ian had not heard of that before. Blake asks about removing spiritual weapons. Ian says spiritual weapons could bind themselves to you and wound you. Ian had never heard of this before. Blake asks Ian what Chad’s role was in the 144,000. Ian says Chad and Lori designated themselves as leaders of the group.

1:33 p.m. Blake asks about the portals that were mentioned in the blessing. Ian says on reaching a certain ability or level of spiritual worthiness, you could open up a portal and step through it and land anywhere you saw fit. Ian had never heard of this before.

1:31 p.m. Chad says they will see each other again soon even though they are going to different corners of the world. Chad promises “all of us a home in the new Jerusalem as we work under the direction of the Savior.” Chad says they will have wonderful reunions and it will be a glorious place where vibrations radiate constantly.

1:29 p.m. Chad says the Savior is standing there with him and He is “very pleased.” Chad says Alex and Zulema are included in this blessing and the six of them have formed a tremendous friendship. “The six of us are on the right track. I assure you of that. I give you my testimony that this is a power team. We are the genesis of the 144,000. We don’t say that boastfully, it just is.”

1:28 p.m. Chad blesses Melani and Ian to have cords of light wrapped around their hearts so they can feel connection and unity. Chad says they are a special couple who have known each other in the past and have helped each other. “Your union will looked upon as a true love story of happiness and how to treat one another.”

1:26 p.m. Chad blesses Melani that she will heal from her illness and phobias, other darknesses that have been implanted in her. Chad says this is being done for Ian as well – clearing him of weapons and lifting curses that may have placed upon them.

1:25 p.m. We now hear Chad giving the blessing to Ian and Melani. He says they are a powerful couple with unlimited potential and they will be utilized by the Lord. They will team with Mother Earth to cleanse the earth with earthquakes, moving mountains, changing rivers and healing hearts of mankind.

1:23 p.m. Ian says the Zoom blessings were out of the ordinary with LDS teachings. We now hear Chad giving a blessing to Ian and Melani on the recording. He says angels and ministers were part of the blessing he and Lori had given Zumela and Alex the day before.

1:21 p.m. Blake plays another part of the recording. Melani refers to “dad” – meaning Chad. Melani says she went and withdrew $50,000. Melani asks Chad and Lori for a “combined blessing” for her and Ian. Lori says, “We don’t know what Ian knows.” Melani says, “Ian knows everything.” Blake asks what Melani was referring to. Ian says it was their religious beliefs and their goal in the world. Ian learned about light and dark, castings, people being zombies and Melani shared all these things with him.

1:20 p.m. Blake asks about the rentals Chad was encouraging Melani and Ian to look into. Chad was not only encouraging them to move but recommending places. Ian says Melani would “absolutely” turn to Chad and Lori for advice.

1:18 p.m. Blake asks Ian about Chad referencing Cain and his disciples being in Rexburg. Ian says Chad was referring to members of the police department.

1:16 p.m. Chad and Lori never told Melani to cooperate with police, Ian says. Ask this recording is being played, Chad had little reaction as he sits next to John Prior.

1:15 p.m. Ian says Chad and Lori were aware the police were trying to talk with Melani. Ian says Chad and Lori never came forward with information on the whereabouts of the children.

1:12 p.m. On the recording, Chad tells Melani she has to flee out of darkness and get on Zillow to investigate houses. Melani says, “He’s not going to stop until he gets what he wants” – referring to Det. Hermosillo.

1:09 p.m. Blake asks about the recording in which Chad and Lori told Melani she needed to move. There was talk of Melani feeling like she had to “flee.” Blake will replay the audio clip to refresh Ian’s memory.

1:05 p.m. We are back in the courtroom and Ian Pawlowski will return to the stand this afternoon. Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsey Blake will continue questioning him. Jurors have taken their seats.
OMG. Not sure I will catch up before trial today. No one can tell me when Mel PB started crying that Alex was now going to work on HER things with ya know all the others taken care of that she didn't know what that meant--the murder of Brandon...

No time to think on and comment on all. If I EVER retire in this lifetime or have a moment, I will go watch these last few days testimony I swear. I watched some trials years after, Arias was one.

Ian should have made it work with his first wife. Mel now P may be lying low and trying to be a normal person but she isn't. I'm surprised she didn't start crying when she saw "dad" in the courtroom.

What really matters though with no time is how MUCH testimony the least few days is CHAD. CHAD and his saying of things and blessings CHAD front and center. CHAD with the JJ dying young thing Zulema testified to. Etc.

It's like Delphi yet not at all. They can COME UP with OTHERS but they can't take THEIR CLIENT OUT OF IT. Different in that in Delphi I doubt there are others. Here there are, at least Lori. Alex. The others depending on how much they knew or helped. And what is being shown is a clear conspiracy of at least Chad and Lori. No John Prior, not just Lori, but CHAD even MORE SO.

I have visions. Chad is not only toast but he is going to end up burnt toast.

And I'm evil because I have thoughts of building up my right arm, bicep, strength and taking his necktie and throttling him to death til his eyes bulge, and his expression actually changes from his nonexpression or his occasion duper's delight smirk we have seen PRIOR. JJ come back as Colby's son and die young?!! EVIL and even bringing in Colby in such a remark! Yeah you had nothing to do with the kids deaths or burial or desecration. Jury AIN'T going to buy it.

ROT IN HE77.

Okay. Not probably going to catch up entirely and stuffed a ton in and need to step away from it as it is sending me beyond that people can do this or fall for their sh*t.
 
Okay I'm confused. Says a casting on Tammy was October 9th at Mel P's house but weren't they all in the apartments by then? Sounds like Lori was in town and called Zulema over to Mel P's house that even. 2019. The dates and events and you name it in this case get just so confusing. And players. And murders. the POOR jury.

Thought Mel moved to Rexburg. Is this the marital home? Wasn't Mel up there by then or did she move around then or after Tammy's death? I guess it doesn't matter. Maybe things were still in flux or she had the home up for sale or something. We know Brandon's address changed as they attempted to shoot him when he got home one day... So maybe she had the home yet...?
I think she was in Rexburg or on the way there when B was shot at on the 2nd Oct wasn't she? Or shortly after then anyway.
 
I think she was in Rexburg or on the way there when B was shot at on the 2nd Oct wasn't she? Or shortly after then anyway.
Well in listening to it all if you read later post by me it was only Lori and Z in this casting so is that to assume Mel PB (I want to say & J lol) wasn't there? And Lori was just using her home OR she was but the casting was only Lori and Z?
 
I'm never going to catch up with all but still listening to Nate from last night and this merits pointing out I think. He has viewers that ask and he doesn't think he knows either, how it is that Chad and Lori knew Tammy was being exhumed...? They called to tell Alex... Family did not know supposedly that she was being exhumed... So how IS it Chad and Lori knew....?

I will not believe it was a visit from T's grandma that told Chad or a premonition, etc. lol, rot you evil arsehole. If I were ANY family member of this man I would be so done with him for good right now. I don't mean even the children--mother, brothers, etc. and it seems some are. I hope his children are listening to EVERY WORD OF THIS AND there are some recordings too IF they want to try denial at the witness like Zulema, etc. If even one gets one blinder starting to peel off it would be something.

Last thing is, since unsure I will catch up before new starts that should be mentioned is that... And right there I lost my train of thought... STuffing way too much in this early morn. day off needed to sleep in but was up at like 5:40 or some such. Maybe it will come back to me.
 

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