AHMAUD ARBERY: Georgia vs Greg & Travis McMichael & William Bryan for murder *GUILTY*

Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men...

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Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men who said they thought he was a possible burglar.

Ahmaud Arbery’s mother wants to know where is the justice.

“I just think about how they could allow these two men to kill my son and not be arrested, that’s what I can’t understand,” Wanda Cooper told news partner First Coast News.

A police report states about 1 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 23, Glynn County officers responded to Satilla and Holmes drives where shots were fired. They found Arbery, 25, dead on the scene.

Gregory McMichael, who worked several years for the Brunswick Police Department before serving as an investigator in the Brunswick District Attorney’s Office, told police there were several break-ins in the neighborhood. He said he saw Arbery running down Satilla Drive and asked his son Travis McMichael to help him confront him.

McMichael and his son got a shotgun and handgun because they “didn’t know if Arbery was armed or not.”

The father and son got into their truck and drove down Satilla toward Burford Drive. Gregory McMichael stated when they arrived at Holmes Drive, they saw Arbery running down Burford, according to the report.

Gregory McMichael told police they attempted to cut off Arbery and shouted “stop, stop, we want to talk to you.”

McMichael pulled up next to Arbery, and Travis McMichael got out of the truck with the shotgun. According to statements, that’s when the father said Arbery attacked his son and the two men started fighting over the shotgun. Travis McMichael fired a shot and then a second shot.

After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georg…

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After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georgia, according to a district attorney.

Elements of the disturbing video are consistent with a description of the shooting given to police by one of those involved in the incident.

Ahmaud Arbery, 25, was jogging in a neighborhood outside Brunswick on February 23 when a former police officer and his son chased him down, authorities said. According to a Glynn County Police report, Gregory McMichael later told officers that he thought Arbery looked like a person suspected in a series of recent break-ins in the area.

After they chased down Arbery, McMichael told police, Arbery and McMichael’s son Travis struggled over his son’s shotgun. McMichael said two shots were fired before Arbery fell to the street, the report said.


S. Lee Merritt, an attorney for the Arbery family, said in a statement that the two men involved in the chase “must be taken into custody pending their indictment.”

Gov. Brian Kemp said the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has offered resources to Durden for his investigation. “Georgians deserve answers,” Kemp tweeted.

Kemp also retweeted the GBI’s post that Durden “formally requested the GBI to investigate the death of Ahmaud Arbery.”

 

[Guess Who]

Maybe I'm missing something .. does anyone understand how this could be self defense? Chasing a person in your vehicle, while armed does not equate to self dense, right?

I never have understood it. The incident they are claiming self defense about was 100% caused by them

 

[GrandmaBear]

I just recalled it was said (was it in opening? I only caught a very few minutes of one) that Travis put the gun up as he just wanted Arbery to stop, quit coming at him, he wanted to de-escalate the situation, etc. AND he was worried about like his dad who I think had had a previous stroke perhaps having another and these were his thoughts or concerns or whatever... I am paraphrasing... And I am pretty certain it was from the defense attorney. He also said that he thought the gun would stop Arbery, he would just stop and calm down and that who wouldn't stop with a gun pointed at them? Say what?? Isn't that making it Arbery's fault?? How does someone do a job like that???

Well, I'm sure everyone here can take those remarks and poke a million holes in them because I can... Uhm, let's start with dad, worried about your dad. Well what in the he77 then are you doing with him running around with guns chasing a man if you are so concerned he is a stroke risk??? I'll stop there. There are tons of other holes in that "argument" or theory...

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Officer who responded to Ahmaud Arbery's shooting testifies what he saw when he arrived on the scene | CNN

Prosecutors in the trial of three White men charged with the killing of Black jogger Ahmaud Arbery called their first witness on Friday, a police officer, after opening statements by the state and defense attorneys.

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Glynn County Police Officer William Duggan testified he responded to the scene after finishing an off-duty job because he was nearby. He told the prosecution that he found a Black male on the ground and saw other people nearby, who he later identified as the defendants.

The officer testified that based on what he observed, he felt Arbery was dead and there was nothing else he could do for him.

From the same article and I think this sums it up perfectly:

In her opening statement earlier Friday, prosecutor Linda Dunikoski argued the defendants tracked down Arbery and cornered and fatally shot him without evidence or knowledge he'd done anything wrong, despite saying they were attempting a citizen's arrest.
"In this case, all three of these defendants did everything they did based on assumptions," she said. "Not on facts, not on evidence -- on assumptions. And they made decisions in their driveways based on those assumptions that took a young man's life. And that is why we are here."

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Maybe I'm missing something .. does anyone understand how this could be self defense? Chasing a person in your vehicle, while armed does not equate to self dense, right?

It's ridiculous to me but I think they are trying to say Arbery charged him and tried to take the gun so he had to shoot him basically in self defense.

There are so many reasons imo to shoot that argument down if that is what they claim. I'm sure most here have the same reasoning and thoughts as to why it is ridiculous. I see plenty of comments over time too who claim it was self defense and that these men also were within their rights to do this based on this or that law and let's hope there are none like that on this jury...

Sure don't know the legal jargon of criteria for self defense but logically to me, had they not chased and pursued him and brought guns uhm well there would be no need to "defend" yourself...

The way I saw the video, Arbery had nowhere to go, he tried to go one way around the truck and had to duck and go the other toward him and the gun... Imo he was cornered... I think there are some that claim he could have ran away in another direction but I think if I recall, the third man was stopping that with his vehicle behind him sending him forward and there were the McMichaels ahead of him. I think the other McMichaels was in the back of the truck above Arbery and armed too as Arbery approached wasn't he...? Haven't seen the video in some time...

I think if there is a sticking point it will be the end of this chase and those moments and split second decisions and what the unfiltered widest view of all footage shows of the final moments... I think the entire chase, actions, etc. will play in but the deciding factor will hinge on the end... Jmo.

BBM

Lord knows I hate agreeing with GB, but I think she nailed it. If someone breaks into your house and you shoot them, I don't think you should feel like a killer. If the person who broke in had been anywhere else, in a legal sense, they would still be alive.

If the McMichael's hadn't started it then there would be no reason to "defend themselves".

 

[Cousin Dupree]

This happened in my small town a few years ago. Shooter was not charged. Where I live, it's shoot first and ask questions later.

Gulf Breeze man shot and killed son-in-law in case of mistaken identity

A Gulf Breeze man will not face charges after authorities said he accidentally shot and killed his son-in-law who had flown into the U.S. from Norway as a birthday surprise.

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So the guy shot a man that he didn't see a gun on, outside his house, and he's not charged. I think you nailed it with the shoot first and ask questions later thing.

 

[kdg411]

With the defendants being tried together does that mean the jury has to find each one guilty of first degree murder, like all or nothing? I was wondering if it was all or nothing scenario.

Three Georgia Men Charged with Federal Hate Crimes and Attempted Kidnapping in Connection with the Death of Ahmaud Arbery

Three Georgia men were indicted today by a federal grand jury in the Southern District of Georgia and charged with hate crimes and the attempted kidnapping of Ahmaud Arbery. The indictment also charges two of the men with separate counts of using firearms during that crime of violence.

www.justice.gov

 

[GrandmaBear]

BBM

Lord knows I hate agreeing with GB, but I think she nailed it. If someone breaks into your house and you shoot them, I don't think you should feel like a killer. If the person who broke in had been anywhere else, in a legal sense, they would still be alive.

If the McMichael's hadn't started it then there would be no reason to "defend themselves".

Yep if Arbery had broken into their home and was shot, they wouldn't and shouldn't be where they are (the defendants). Lord knows we don't want to see the right to self defense end in that regard.

If the McMichaels had stayed in their own homes along with their buddy in his as they weren't defending their homes, property nor loved ones, they would not be where they are and Arbery would be alive.

Isn't it a shame it can't boil down to just something that simple? Instead this trial and likely years of appeals... The three men made a lot of choices--the wrong ones.

You agreeing with me Lord knows makes me feel queasy and anxious as well. Don't go thinking we are related the occasional time we agree or think alike by the way because we are NOT.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

I'm making edited videos for the jury instructions and the prosecution's opening statements. I'm rendering that now. Then I'm going to make a video of the defense's opening statements as well. I'll upload them to Youtube when done. They probably won't get uploaded til after the football game tomorrow because I want to upload them at the same time. So they're both available at the same time and I won't get accused of putting up the prosecution's side only.

 

[Kimster]

Maybe I'm missing something .. does anyone understand how this could be self defense? Chasing a person in your vehicle, while armed does not equate to self dense, right?

I don’t think that’s self-defense where I live. I went through two concealed carry classes before I got my concealed carry license and let me tell you, they go over that with you and I was told that if I had to use my firearm for protection, I would most likely still be handcuffed and taken into the jail. They sort it out from there. This scenario that they were talking about was if I shot someone in my own home in the middle of the night! I still would be taken in and they’d sort it out from there. It doesn’t mean that I would eventually be arrested for manslaughter in the long run, but at least they make sure that the person that was firing the firearm is checked out to see if a crime was committed or not.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don’t think that’s self-defense where I live. I went through two concealed carry classes before I got my concealed carry license and let me tell you, they go over that with you and I was told that if I had to use my firearm for protection, I would most likely still be handcuffed and taken into the jail. They sort it out from there. This scenario that they were talking about was if I shot someone in my own home in the middle of the night! I still would be taken in and they’d sort it out from there. It doesn’t mean that I would eventually be arrested for manslaughter in the long run, but at least they make sure that the person that was firing the firearm is checked out to see if a crime was committed or not.

Not to go off topic or off case but like they should have done to Alex Cox in Charles' death... With all of them actually.

They did take Alex in to question it seems we know now. Eventually. After a pretty relaxed time at the home and pretty sure without any cuffs ever. And then pretty sure he walked right back out of the station.

That's another case of are you kidding me, self defense? If you have time to walk to a bedroom and get your gun and come back. say what?

 

[Kimster]

Not to go off topic or off case but like they should have done to Alex Cox in Charles' death... With all of them actually.

They did take Alex in to question it seems we know now. Eventually. After a pretty relaxed time at the home and pretty sure without any cuffs ever. And then pretty sure he walked right back out of the station.

That's another case of are you kidding me, self defense? If you have time to walk to a bedroom and get your gun and come back. say what?

Exactly! If you have time to go and get your firearm like that, then you have time to dial 911. 911 was not called until well after.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Exactly! If you have time to go and get your firearm like that, then you have time to dial 911. 911 was not called until well after.

Or leave. Get away and not confront at all with a gun. Of course I doubt you or any of us think, I know I don't, that Charles did probably a darned thing to any of them to begin with. He was lured there to be murdered. Imo.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

 

[Cousin Dupree]

 

[Cousin Dupree]

This seems like a good prosecutor.

 

[kdg411]

I'm making edited videos for the jury instructions and the prosecution's opening statements. I'm rendering that now. Then I'm going to make a video of the defense's opening statements as well. I'll upload them to Youtube when done. They probably won't get uploaded til after the football game tomorrow because I want to upload them at the same time. So they're both available at the same time and I won't get accused of putting up the prosecution's side only.

Thank you for putting those videos together. The narrative from the prosecutor sets the scene based on facts that were (are) known and leaves nothing open for speculation.

So far, she's doing a great job for the State, imo.

 

[kdg411]

 

[kdg411]

Another reporter tweeting in the courtroom

 

[kdg411]

 

[kdg411]

This trial is hard to watch (imo). Each one of the defendants attorneys gets to cross examine (interrogate) the State's witnesses. I've not witnessed a multiple defedant trial before. Anyone else?

Interesting cliff note from today;
While the jury was out the Judge confirmed, several times, with the State's attorneys that the shotgun that was presented and entered into evidence contained no live ammunition.

Nothing surprising or shocking in today's testimony.