AHMAUD ARBERY: Georgia vs Greg & Travis McMichael & William Bryan for murder *GUILTY*


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Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men who said they thought he was a possible burglar.

Ahmaud Arbery’s mother wants to know where is the justice.

“I just think about how they could allow these two men to kill my son and not be arrested, that’s what I can’t understand,” Wanda Cooper told news partner First Coast News.

A police report states about 1 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 23, Glynn County officers responded to Satilla and Holmes drives where shots were fired. They found Arbery, 25, dead on the scene.

Gregory McMichael, who worked several years for the Brunswick Police Department before serving as an investigator in the Brunswick District Attorney’s Office, told police there were several break-ins in the neighborhood. He said he saw Arbery running down Satilla Drive and asked his son Travis McMichael to help him confront him.

McMichael and his son got a shotgun and handgun because they “didn’t know if Arbery was armed or not.”

The father and son got into their truck and drove down Satilla toward Burford Drive. Gregory McMichael stated when they arrived at Holmes Drive, they saw Arbery running down Burford, according to the report.

Gregory McMichael told police they attempted to cut off Arbery and shouted “stop, stop, we want to talk to you.”

McMichael pulled up next to Arbery, and Travis McMichael got out of the truck with the shotgun. According to statements, that’s when the father said Arbery attacked his son and the two men started fighting over the shotgun. Travis McMichael fired a shot and then a second shot.




After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georgia, according to a district attorney.

Elements of the disturbing video are consistent with a description of the shooting given to police by one of those involved in the incident.

Ahmaud Arbery, 25, was jogging in a neighborhood outside Brunswick on February 23 when a former police officer and his son chased him down, authorities said. According to a Glynn County Police report, Gregory McMichael later told officers that he thought Arbery looked like a person suspected in a series of recent break-ins in the area.

After they chased down Arbery, McMichael told police, Arbery and McMichael’s son Travis struggled over his son’s shotgun. McMichael said two shots were fired before Arbery fell to the street, the report said.


S. Lee Merritt, an attorney for the Arbery family, said in a statement that the two men involved in the chase “must be taken into custody pending their indictment.”

Gov. Brian Kemp said the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has offered resources to Durden for his investigation. “Georgians deserve answers,” Kemp tweeted.

Kemp also retweeted the GBI’s post that Durden “formally requested the GBI to investigate the death of Ahmaud Arbery.”
 

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There have been a couple of times throughout that I don't think the parents have it exactly right. And this is their lawyer. I'm not saying they don't, nor even that they don't have a right to feel this way, of course they do, but I think I'll wait as to whether this was a "back room deal" so to speak. It is pretty clear they know or knew about it so I assume were informed or did they find out another way?
 
There have been a couple of times throughout that I don't think the parents have it exactly right. And this is their lawyer. I'm not saying they don't, nor even that they don't have a right to feel this way, of course they do, but I think I'll wait as to whether this was a "back room deal" so to speak. It is pretty clear they know or knew about it so I assume were informed or did they find out another way?
From what I understand, they found out after the plea was offered.
 
I still wonder whether federal prison wouldn't have taken precedence on a conviction too over the state conviction and state prison.
From what I understand, they found out after the plea was offered.
This is the same thing Chauvin did. I guess it's better to be in a federal prison than a state one.
Thanks. I agree on the federal prison part, I don't blame her for not liking that part but I'm still not sure a conviction wouldn't have put them in the federal pen first. I have no idea.

As for not knowing about the plea, wasn't this like being bandied about or talked about a few weeks ago...? Or am I mixing that up... I'm not saying they told her it was a certainty but it seems there was some news that way.
 

I'm not surprised at that rejection since his family and lawyer made it publicly known how they felt about it.

Now one does have to wonder if the family felt that strongly about it and the DOJ knew that why they did go ahead and make the deal. Something is wrong here as the prosecutors say they were informed and the victims' lawyers indicated the family was okay with it...:

...the Civil Rights Division consulted with the victims’ attorneys. The Justice Department entered the plea agreement only after the victims’ attorneys informed me that the family was not opposed to it.”

Someone is lying or stirring up trouble... Or maybe mom disagreed but dad didn't but it says plural on victims and attorneys.

The prosecutors points are good in that they stated they couldn't overturn the federal sentence with state appeals and there would be none on the federal level and that they admitted being racists basically.

However, did I miss something? They were getting basically no sentence at all nor any slap at all EXCEPT for stuck for 30 years federally IF for some reason the state convictions were overturned--that is the only negative for the McMichaels with this deal. The mother is right in that they are basically rewarded with the fed pen and the concurrent sentence is no sentence at all running concurrently.

But what is going on? It is hard for me to believe prosecutors didn't put the deal to the family because this is a national case and they had to know the family would be vocal if not happy... Is it the attorneys that didn't convey something correctly?

I don't know but the judge rejected it and I agree. It gave the McMichaels no sentence really federally in a way. So now it is up to a jury and another case will proceed unless a deal is struck that satisfies the family prior to that. If any.
 
I'm not surprised at that rejection since his family and lawyer made it publicly known how they felt about it.

Now one does have to wonder if the family felt that strongly about it and the DOJ knew that why they did go ahead and make the deal. Something is wrong here as the prosecutors say they were informed and the victims' lawyers indicated the family was okay with it...:

...the Civil Rights Division consulted with the victims’ attorneys. The Justice Department entered the plea agreement only after the victims’ attorneys informed me that the family was not opposed to it.”

Someone is lying or stirring up trouble... Or maybe mom disagreed but dad didn't but it says plural on victims and attorneys.

The prosecutors points are good in that they stated they couldn't overturn the federal sentence with state appeals and there would be none on the federal level and that they admitted being racists basically.

However, did I miss something? They were getting basically no sentence at all nor any slap at all EXCEPT for stuck for 30 years federally IF for some reason the state convictions were overturned--that is the only negative for the McMichaels with this deal. The mother is right in that they are basically rewarded with the fed pen and the concurrent sentence is no sentence at all running concurrently.

But what is going on? It is hard for me to believe prosecutors didn't put the deal to the family because this is a national case and they had to know the family would be vocal if not happy... Is it the attorneys that didn't convey something correctly?

I don't know but the judge rejected it and I agree. It gave the McMichaels no sentence really federally in a way. So now it is up to a jury and another case will proceed unless a deal is struck that satisfies the family prior to that. If any.
Lee Merritt & Ben Crump are the parents attorneys. In no way would they have willingly accepted that plea so the story was fabricated by whoever is linked to the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ. All MOO.
 
Lee Merritt & Ben Crump are the parents attorneys. In no way would they have willingly accepted that plea so the story was fabricated by whoever is linked to the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ. All MOO.
That helps. I had/have no idea. I'll take your word for it. I just know that something is wrong in the channel/route to the parents or on one end of it or the other end. I also thought maybe when more than one family member to consider maybe one indicated they were okay with it or thought they were at first and prosecutors received one's response and thought someone represented the answer of all or some such... Clearly something happened somewhere.
 
Lee Merritt & Ben Crump are the parents attorneys. In no way would they have willingly accepted that plea so the story was fabricated by whoever is linked to the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ. All MOO.
Saw Lee Merit on the news today. He said the parents were supportive of the plea deal and it was only today or last night that they learned it would include the first 30 years in a federal prison, which is what they oppose.
 
Saw Lee Merit on the news today. He said the parents were supportive of the plea deal and it was only today or last night that they learned it would include the first 30 years in a federal prison, which is what they oppose.
That makes sense. I wondered about that as it is what the focus seemed to be on in the articles and from the parents, the federal prison being the place of confinement. News likely knew this but maybe a bit more interesting and attention gathering to not really explain that. The hint was there but it was never really said, it was just made to sound as if the parents knew nothing of this deal and it was behind their back, etc.
 
Well, it is what it is. A trial was wanted and that's okay or a deal more fitting (not consecutive sentence and cushy federal pen and I can understand that) and that's okay. So I guess as of now this heads for full trial. Hope to keep up with it marginally on here.
 

Arbery Killer Used Racial Slur to Describe Daughter’s Black Date, Prosecutors Say​

<snip>Bernstein then began detailing past incidents of racist behavior. Travis McMichael, who fatally shot Arbery, allegedly previously used racial epithets about Black people, and once called them “animals, criminals, monkeys, sub-human savages.” <snip>
But in what is perhaps the most disturbing example of racism from the trio, prosecutors allege that just days before Arbery’s murder, Bryan made several racist comments after learning his daughter was dating a Black man.

“[She] is dating a [n-word] now,” Bryan allegedly said in a message. Bryan also repeatedly referred to the man by the racial slur and called him a “monkey,” Bernstein said.

On the day of Arbery’s death, Bernstein said that Bryan told authorities he saw the 25-year-old “running and knew he had to be a criminal.” When asked what evidence he had to justify that Arbery could have been the individual that had been previously breaking into a home under construction in the neighborhood, Bryan responded, “instinct.” <snip>
edited to add: from opening statements today.
 

Arbery Killer Used Racial Slur to Describe Daughter’s Black Date, Prosecutors Say​

<snip>Bernstein then began detailing past incidents of racist behavior. Travis McMichael, who fatally shot Arbery, allegedly previously used racial epithets about Black people, and once called them “animals, criminals, monkeys, sub-human savages.” <snip>
But in what is perhaps the most disturbing example of racism from the trio, prosecutors allege that just days before Arbery’s murder, Bryan made several racist comments after learning his daughter was dating a Black man.

“[She] is dating a [n-word] now,” Bryan allegedly said in a message. Bryan also repeatedly referred to the man by the racial slur and called him a “monkey,” Bernstein said.

On the day of Arbery’s death, Bernstein said that Bryan told authorities he saw the 25-year-old “running and knew he had to be a criminal.” When asked what evidence he had to justify that Arbery could have been the individual that had been previously breaking into a home under construction in the neighborhood, Bryan responded, “instinct.” <snip>
edited to add: from opening statements today.
They didn't mix up names, BRYAN said these things? So he saw him running and "knew he had to be a criminal"? And said "instinct"... And yet he made it sound as did his attorney in the other trial as if he just joined in with no idea of what was entirely going on... And he got off the lightest... So far that is... Granted he didn't have a gun but he did use his vehicle...

So they have covered Bryan saying things about this actual incident with Arbery. It sounds like so far Travis's are former epithets about blacks in general and not this specific black male and nothing about Greg McMichaels. Of course it isn't over yet, different sources/witnesses may know different things on each...
 
They didn't mix up names, BRYAN said these things? So he saw him running and "knew he had to be a criminal"? And said "instinct"... And yet he made it sound as did his attorney in the other trial as if he just joined in with no idea of what was entirely going on... And he got off the lightest... So far that is... Granted he didn't have a gun but he did use his vehicle...

So they have covered Bryan saying things about this actual incident with Arbery. It sounds like so far Travis's are former epithets about blacks in general and not this specific black male and nothing about Greg McMichaels. Of course it isn't over yet, different sources/witnesses may know different things on each...
In the article, there are racist quotes from Greg McMichael, IIRC.
 
In the article, there are racist quotes from Greg McMichael, IIRC.
Thanks for that. I normally read the links before posting but just haven't been able to lately, catching up real quick on posts in a few cases. I'd say Bryan's goose is cooked if it is verifiable and trustworthy info. Travis and Greg probably too although if they talked this way and not specifically about Arbery, the argument could possibly be made that it was just how they talked, right or wrong, was in prior life and not related necessarily to this murder or chase. It would be a weak argument but I'm just saying Bryan they have saying it right there, about this incident/murder victim. I'd say he is in deep trouble.
 

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