AHMAUD ARBERY: Georgia vs Greg & Travis McMichael & William Bryan for murder *GUILTY*

Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men...

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Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men who said they thought he was a possible burglar.

Ahmaud Arbery’s mother wants to know where is the justice.

“I just think about how they could allow these two men to kill my son and not be arrested, that’s what I can’t understand,” Wanda Cooper told news partner First Coast News.

A police report states about 1 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 23, Glynn County officers responded to Satilla and Holmes drives where shots were fired. They found Arbery, 25, dead on the scene.

Gregory McMichael, who worked several years for the Brunswick Police Department before serving as an investigator in the Brunswick District Attorney’s Office, told police there were several break-ins in the neighborhood. He said he saw Arbery running down Satilla Drive and asked his son Travis McMichael to help him confront him.

McMichael and his son got a shotgun and handgun because they “didn’t know if Arbery was armed or not.”

The father and son got into their truck and drove down Satilla toward Burford Drive. Gregory McMichael stated when they arrived at Holmes Drive, they saw Arbery running down Burford, according to the report.

Gregory McMichael told police they attempted to cut off Arbery and shouted “stop, stop, we want to talk to you.”

McMichael pulled up next to Arbery, and Travis McMichael got out of the truck with the shotgun. According to statements, that’s when the father said Arbery attacked his son and the two men started fighting over the shotgun. Travis McMichael fired a shot and then a second shot.

After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georg…

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After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georgia, according to a district attorney.

Elements of the disturbing video are consistent with a description of the shooting given to police by one of those involved in the incident.

Ahmaud Arbery, 25, was jogging in a neighborhood outside Brunswick on February 23 when a former police officer and his son chased him down, authorities said. According to a Glynn County Police report, Gregory McMichael later told officers that he thought Arbery looked like a person suspected in a series of recent break-ins in the area.

After they chased down Arbery, McMichael told police, Arbery and McMichael’s son Travis struggled over his son’s shotgun. McMichael said two shots were fired before Arbery fell to the street, the report said.


S. Lee Merritt, an attorney for the Arbery family, said in a statement that the two men involved in the chase “must be taken into custody pending their indictment.”

Gov. Brian Kemp said the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has offered resources to Durden for his investigation. “Georgians deserve answers,” Kemp tweeted.

Kemp also retweeted the GBI’s post that Durden “formally requested the GBI to investigate the death of Ahmaud Arbery.”

 

[Cousin Dupree]

They're screwed.

 

[daisy7]

In the article, there are racist quotes from Greg McMichael, IIRC.

From the link:

Four days before William “Roddie” Bryan chased down Ahmaud Arbery with his neighbors, the Georgia man used a racial slur to describe a Black man his daughter was dating, prosecutors said Monday.

(snip)
Bernstein then began detailing past incidents of racist behavior. Travis McMichael, who fatally shot Arbery, allegedly previously used racial epithets about Black people, and once called them “animals, criminals, monkeys, sub-human savages.”

“Zero [n-words] work with me,” he wrote in a text message to a friend, prosecutors alleged on Monday. “They ruined everything. That’s why I love what I do now. Not an [n-word] in sight.”

Prosecutors say that his father, who was a former cop, allegedly made a negative comment after the 2015 death of Julian Bond, a civil rights activist and former Georgia state representative. “Bad?! I wish he'd been put in the ground years ago. He’s nothing but trouble. Those Blacks are nothing but trouble,” McMichael allegedly told a witness while he was still an investigator for a local DA’s office. The witness is set to testify during the trial.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

From the link:

Four days before William “Roddie” Bryan chased down Ahmaud Arbery with his neighbors, the Georgia man used a racial slur to describe a Black man his daughter was dating, prosecutors said Monday.

(snip)
Bernstein then began detailing past incidents of racist behavior. Travis McMichael, who fatally shot Arbery, allegedly previously used racial epithets about Black people, and once called them “animals, criminals, monkeys, sub-human savages.”

“Zero [n-words] work with me,” he wrote in a text message to a friend, prosecutors alleged on Monday. “They ruined everything. That’s why I love what I do now. Not an [n-word] in sight.”

Prosecutors say that his father, who was a former cop, allegedly made a negative comment after the 2015 death of Julian Bond, a civil rights activist and former Georgia state representative. “Bad?! I wish he'd been put in the ground years ago. He’s nothing but trouble. Those Blacks are nothing but trouble,” McMichael allegedly told a witness while he was still an investigator for a local DA’s office. The witness is set to testify during the trial.

I wonder if they're going to bring up McMichael calling Ahmaud a (N) as he lay dying on the ground.

 

[daisy7]

I wonder if they're going to bring up McMichael calling Ahmaud a (N) as he lay dying on the ground.

I'm sure they will. The last trial wasn't about race and prejudice, but this one is.

 

[daisy7]

 

[GrandmaBear]

I wonder if they're going to bring up McMichael calling Ahmaud a (N) as he lay dying on the ground.

That's the one I keep wondering about as I read this. Who was the witness to that, I can't recall? A responding officer? Or one of the other 3?

 

[kdg411]

That's the one I keep wondering about as I read this. Who was the witness to that, I can't recall? A responding officer? Or one of the other 3?

Roddie Bryan heard that comment from Travis McMichael.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Roddie Bryan heard that comment from Travis McMichael.

That's who I was thinking when I said one of the three but wasn't sure enough of my memory to say it was him. Thanks for confirming. I wonder if they will put him up as a witness against the other? Because he is also a defendant... I wondered for sure who said it as how reliable is the witness...? I mean he is not coming across here as less racist than the others he himself and his atty. sure tried to paint him as not of the same variety as the McMichaels. The only thing that really seems any better about him than the other two at the moment is he didn't get a gun out or have one...

 

[GarAndMo39]

Two of the men convicted of killing Ahmaud Arbery used racist slurs in messages, a witness testifies at their federal hate crime trial | CNN

Texts and social media messages from two of the White men convicted of murdering Ahmaud Arbery included racist insults about African Americans, an FBI intelligence analyst testified Wednesday in their federal hate crime trial in Georgia.

www.cnn.com

 

[GarAndMo39]

Racist messages, vile online posts highlighted in hate crimes trial of Ahmaud Arbery's killers

In his state trial for the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, Travis McMichael testified he is not a racist. But federal prosecutors are presenting evidence that shows otherwise.

abcnews.go.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

I wonder what the law is and instructions to the jury with regard to these texts are as so far they are mostly not about Arbery but himself racist remarks overall. While it shows them as racists, do they have to tie that racism for their reason for chasing him? Don't get me wrong, I think they can tie the jury to that and to reasonably conclude that if they show, as we know, that they didn't suspect other people who were in the vacant property, etc. who were white and so on but I just wonder if it is necessary they be able to do that in each case.

Now the remark over Arbery's body does relate to him but it also comes from a co-defendant with interest in saving his own butt at the time...

 

[kdg411]

I wonder what the law is and instructions to the jury with regard to these texts are as so far they are mostly not about Arbery but himself racist remarks overall. While it shows them as racists, do they have to tie that racism for their reason for chasing him? Don't get me wrong, I think they can tie the jury to that and to reasonably conclude that if they show, as we know, that they didn't suspect other people who were in the vacant property, etc. who were white and so on but I just wonder if it is necessary they be able to do that in each case.

Now the remark over Arbery's body does relate to him but it also comes from a co-defendant with interest in saving his own butt at the time...

In the article in post 1309

"You may consider each statement against the defendant who made it," the judge said, adding the jury may not consider the evidence to decide if the defendant engaged in the action or to judge the defendant's character, but they may use it to determine whether the defendants acted because of race.

 

[GrandmaBear]

In the article in post 1309

"You may consider each statement against the defendant who made it," the judge said, adding the jury may not consider the evidence to decide if the defendant engaged in the action or to judge the defendant's character, but they may use it to determine whether the defendants acted because of race.

Thanks. It seems to still mean one has to determine if their general racism was the reason or main one they took action... I think it is a combination... I think they suspected him over others because of race, I think seeing him at the place and around and not from their neighborhood I think was part of it though and because (if true) crimes had been being committed. I do think they acted on race, not sure I'd say solely on race. They are racist pigs, that's been shown clearly. Saying and doing though is what they have to determine...

What I mean is if they were driving through another town and saw a black entering a grocery store or walking on the sidewalk, I doubt they'd do a thing necessarily... So in that case they are just racist pigs who hold wrong views and voice them to probably others who are similar or to anyone, hard to say, but they don't attack...

So I guess I'm trying to reconcile their beliefs and racist remarks with how a prosecution proves it or needs to, what is required, and what the jury has to do to decide.

I come back to I guess tying their attitude to Arbery with the fact they didn't bother or suspect others that were in that home under construction, etc., I think makes it a stronger case and think they will probably do just that.

Believe me, I think it was race, I'm just wondering about the specifics to prove it and decide it. I do also believe they didn't like him in their neighborhood but I also believe they wouldn't like a homeless white guy or a dirty white long haired drug addict walking the neighborhood. And I think if any of those were in that home more than once, they may well have done the same... I can't word it right but that's what I'm getting at is the best way I can put it...

In all those cases it would be a hate crime or discrimination probably but it wouldn't be race.

 

[daisy7]

Question: If they are found guilty and I think that is likely, will they be transferred to a federal prison?

 

[kdg411]

Question: If they are found guilty and I think that is likely, will they be transferred to a federal prison?

Not necessarily ... the sentence could run consecutively to the state. Just my thoughts though.

 

[kdg411]

Thanks. It seems to still mean one has to determine if their general racism was the reason or main one they took action... I think it is a combination... I think they suspected him over others because of race, I think seeing him at the place and around and not from their neighborhood I think was part of it though and because (if true) crimes had been being committed. I do think they acted on race, not sure I'd say solely on race. They are racist pigs, that's been shown clearly. Saying and doing though is what they have to determine...

What I mean is if they were driving through another town and saw a black entering a grocery store or walking on the sidewalk, I doubt they'd do a thing necessarily... So in that case they are just racist pigs who hold wrong views and voice them to probably others who are similar or to anyone, hard to say, but they don't attack...

So I guess I'm trying to reconcile their beliefs and racist remarks with how a prosecution proves it or needs to, what is required, and what the jury has to do to decide.

I come back to I guess tying their attitude to Arbery with the fact they didn't bother or suspect others that were in that home under construction, etc., I think makes it a stronger case and think they will probably do just that.

Believe me, I think it was race, I'm just wondering about the specifics to prove it and decide it. I do also believe they didn't like him in their neighborhood but I also believe they wouldn't like a homeless white guy or a dirty white long haired drug addict walking the neighborhood. And I think if any of those were in that home more than once, they may well have done the same... I can't word it right but that's what I'm getting at is the best way I can put it...

In all those cases it would be a hate crime or discrimination probably but it wouldn't be race.

I'll defer until I hear (or read) the jury instructions. Not many cases have set a precedence to wager a fact based theory.

 

[kdg411]

Defense and prosecutors rest their case in hate crimes trial against Arbery's killers

Prosecutors relied heavily on racist evidence from cell phones and testimony from acquaintances, but the defense called only one witness.

www.npr.org

 

[kdg411]

Federal trial now with the jury.

Jury in federal hate crimes trial of Ahmaud Arbery's killers excused after first day of deliberations

A jury began deliberations in the federal hate crimes trial of three men convicted of killing Ahmaud Arbery. A prosecutor had said in closing arguments the men pursued Arbery because they saw "a Black man in their neighborhood and assumed the worst."

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[kdg411]

She is a pillar of strength!

 

[daisy7]