OH BRAYLEN NOBLE: Missing from Toledo, OH - 4 Sept 2020 - Age 3 *Found Deceased*

Police, firefighters searching Swan Creek near Byrne Road for missing 3-year-old

Toledo Police and Fire & Rescue crews are searching for a 3-year-old boy who went missing at Friday afternoon at Hunter's Ridge Apartments. According to police, Braylen's mother suspects he fell out of a third-story window. After searching the adjacent Swan Creek, a nearby swimming pool and...

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Police, firefighters searching Swan Creek near Byrne Road for missing 3-year-old

Toledo Police and Fire & Rescue crews are searching for a 3-year-old boy who went missing at Friday afternoon at Hunter's Ridge Apartments.

According to police, Braylen's mother suspects he fell out of a third-story window.

Crews including divers and K-9 are currently searching in the woods and creek nearby.

TPD: Body found in Hunters Ridge apartment pool, believed to be missing 3-year-old Braylen Noble

Official confirmation and identification will come from the Lucas County Coroner's Office, TPD said. Braylen Noble was reported missing in a 911 call placed Sept. 4.

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TPD, Toledo Fire searching for missing nonverbal 3-year-old

Toledo Police and Fire are searching for a missing 3-year-old boy this afternoon and also are asking for the public's help in locating the missing toddler in south Toledo.
Braylen Noble, 3, was reported missing on Friday from the 3400 block of Gibraltar Heights Drive at the Hunters Ridge apartments. His mother called police to say the boy apparently fell out of a third-floor window and she couldn't find him, police said.

The child last was seen wearing a long-sleeved red and white Mickey Mouse shirt.

Toledo Police and Fire personnel have been searching for the boy since 12:25 p.m. Friday.

Braylen is nonverbal, police said. Toledo Police and Fire personnel are searching the areas of South Byrne Road and Airport Highway, and the area by the apartment complex in the 3400 block of Gibraltar Heights Drive.

Officers and detectives are now conducting door-to-door searches of the entire apartment complex, police said at 2:42 p.m.

Also assisting police and fire personnel with the search are Toledo Metroparks Officers. Teams are conducting an area search of surrounding buildings, dumpsters, under vehicles and more, police say.

Drones have been deployed to assist the search and Toledo Fire and Rescue Department's water rescue unit is also on Swan Creek to help search. K9 units are also being employed to help search.

Police say the child's mother has been taken to the Safety Building as a matter of protocol in such search situations.


MEDIA - BRAYLEN NOBLE: Missing from Toledo, OH since 4 Sept 2020 - Age 3

 

[Guess Who]

I'm feeling the same as you, GrandmaBear.
And it would be one thing if the investigators were out there saying "we will continue to work diligently until we can determine what happened to this child". Or, (even though I don't believe it), "we truly believe this was an accidental death and are closing the investigation".
But instead, they're here saying, "well, we can't charge someone with murder if a coroner doesn't rule a death a homicide". Seems like a *shrug* and "whatcha want me to do about it?"
And of course they could be doing way more behind the scenes. We all know that. But outward appearances are very disappointing right now.

This does look like a case that would be hard to try in court though. Who EXACTLY is to blame? How can they bring charges when they don't know who did what? We all know that their story is a bunch of bs, but they can't try a case when they don't have any proof of (???). Poor little dude!

 

[GrandmaBear]

I'm feeling the same as you, GrandmaBear.
And it would be one thing if the investigators were out there saying "we will continue to work diligently until we can determine what happened to this child". Or, (even though I don't believe it), "we truly believe this was an accidental death and are closing the investigation".
But instead, they're here saying, "well, we can't charge someone with murder if a coroner doesn't rule a death a homicide". Seems like a *shrug* and "whatcha want me to do about it?"
And of course they could be doing way more behind the scenes. We all know that. But outward appearances are very disappointing right now.

I have to say you word things so well and make a point clear, I wish I had your talent.

A "shrug" is exactly it. So is the whatcha want me to do about it. They could be doing things behind the scenes but one is always supposed to trust they are and they don't even say nor hint at the fact they are! And I know you realized as this search for him unfolded that his being found in the pool was highly questionable. It looked like from that point onward there were going to be no results nor determination. It was like they just tried to shut down any notice of the case at all, hoping interest would just go away...

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Another non-verbal autistic child found dead in an apartment pool. But they found him after 24 hours, not 5 days. Still investigating, though.
(Not saying these are related, just made me think of Braylen and hope for answers.)

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[GrandmaBear]

Another non-verbal autistic child found dead in an apartment pool. But they found him after 24 hours, not 5 days. Still investigating, though.
(Not saying these are related, just made me think of Braylen and hope for answers.)

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Sad. Not much here to make me wonder right off unlike Braylen's case.

I don't believe in making most things mandatory but I do think if I had an autistic non verbal child I'd maybe have some type of tracking unit on the child. It may have saved him if he did not immediately find this pool. That does beg the question of how he found it or how soon after he ran though.

Braylen's case still makes me see red. I do not like the lack of answers and I don't mean with just the autopsy.

 

[Kimster]

Another non-verbal autistic child found dead in an apartment pool. But they found him after 24 hours, not 5 days. Still investigating, though.
(Not saying these are related, just made me think of Braylen and hope for answers.)

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I thought all pools in apartments were required to have security around them to prevent this kind of thing?

 

[GrandmaBear]

I thought all pools in apartments were required to have security around them to prevent this kind of thing?

When I first stayed here, there was no fence around the outdoor pool, it is right in the city and backs up to other apartment buildings and yards without pools, etc. I could not believe such was even allowed. This was within the last five years, not like I am talking very long ago. I had worked in insurance for 20 years and for that reason and many reasons could not believe it.

It is fenced now BUT only because of problems with others using it from other places from what I understand. Not a high fence either or anything that could not be scaled but more to discourage I guess.

Different state rules may have been part of it but I still would have thought with liability insurance that it would be highly unlikely such would be allowed by an insurer and if one could be found that did, the rates would be astronomical one would think and they are all about $$ so no idea why it was not fenced?? I liked it better unfenced by far but then I don't have young children taking off...

 

[Guess Who]

I thought all pools in apartments were required to have security around them to prevent this kind of thing?

No apartment pools near me do that i know of. You either have a key or pass code and that is the extent of the "security" .

 

[Guess Who]

When I first stayed here, there was no fence around the outdoor pool, it is right in the city and backs up to other apartment buildings and yards without pools, etc. I could not believe such was even allowed. This was within the last five years, not like I am talking very long ago. I had worked in insurance for 20 years and for that reason and many reasons could not believe it.

It is fenced now BUT only because of problems with others using it from other places from what I understand. Not a high fence either or anything that could not be scaled but more to discourage I guess.

Different state rules may have been part of it but I still would have thought with liability insurance that it would be highly unlikely such would be allowed by an insurer and if one could be found that did, the rates would be astronomical one would think and they are all about $$ so no idea why it was not fenced?? I liked it better unfenced by far but then I don't have young children taking off...

insurance is probably why they did put it up, especially if they changed carriers.

 

[GrandmaBear]

No apartment pools near me do that i know of. You either have a key or pass code and that is the extent of the "security" .

I don't know if she was referring to fences or lifeguard security, etc. I assumed she meant fences.

Ours is fenced now and one can only get to it from a door on the inside of the building. I don't like it though because prior you could leave the pool and sit at the picnic tables and grill and watch kids, etc. Now the tables and grills cannot be accessed from the pool and are just a few feet away (it is all one area). One has to go back inside and around and out. Pain in the arse. Not to mention if your kid was in the pool and you wanted to sit in shade a couple of feet away being responsible and watching him, and your kid started to drown, you could NOT get to him quickly by running towards the pool. I see no safety savings there, in fact just the opposite.

 

[GrandmaBear]

insurance is probably why they did put it up, especially if they changed carriers.

It is just as likely but not sure. There was an issue with others coming in from other complexes allegedly, kids wanting their friends over from "next door". And it sure did not make it safer for a family wanting to use the grill, picnic tables and sit right close by on the grass and watch their children who do actually live in the complex.

Anyhow, the pool this child was found in it sounds like was not fenced and not sure what "under construction" meant either. The one Braylen was found in was fenced which makes his case even harder to believe.

 

[Mel70]

I thought all pools in apartments were required to have security around them to prevent this kind of thing?

No they don't. They have to post "No Lifeguard on duty" when one isn't. Like our pools at my complex. That relinquished them of all responsibility. Same with "No diving". It's posted. You get injured. They have no responsibility.

 

[Mel70]

I don't know if she was referring to fences or lifeguard security, etc. I assumed she meant fences.

Ours is fenced now and one can only get to it from a door on the inside of the building. I don't like it though because prior you could leave the pool and sit at the picnic tables and grill and watch kids, etc. Now the tables and grills cannot be accessed from the pool and are just a few feet away (it is all one area). One has to go back inside and around and out. Pain in the arse. Not to mention if your kid was in the pool and you wanted to sit in shade a couple of feet away being responsible and watching him, and your kid started to drown, you could NOT get to him quickly by running towards the pool. I see no safety savings there, in fact just the opposite.

Well in my complex there are rules posted. One is no person is allowed to swim alone. There again they have their butt covered if something happens. There is also an age listed where they are not allowed without an adult. There again covering their butt.

 

[GrandmaBear]

No they don't. They have to post "No Lifeguard on duty" when one isn't. Like our pools at my complex. That relinquished them of all responsibility. Same with "No diving". It's posted. You get injured. They have no responsibility.

Saw both your posts. Similar here too, we had rules posted when no fence and still do. Wisconsin even with city lake beaches have signs and if there is a lifeguard at all, the hours are up on the sign and it is clear it is your own responsibility otherwise if you enter the water/beach.

However, it doesn't stop people from suing but it does give a solid defense. The parents (if a child) have a liability of course and to get anything they have to prove the place it happened is more than 50 percent responsible which I think in most cases, the parent is more responsible particularly if your child wandered off and onto someone else's property, unsupervised, fenced or not. That is how it is supposed tow ork, fighting though a lawsuit even if no basis for it is expensive so many places and insurance companies just prohibit some things or don't have such things at all (pools, trampolines, etc.).

My second paragraph is not an argument of any kind nor meant that way, just what I saw in years of claims and lawsuits in the insurance side. Meaning I see why even if "legal" and rules are posted some just don't go there and even have a pool, etc.

 

[Guess Who]

I don't know if she was referring to fences or lifeguard security, etc. I assumed she meant fences.

Ours is fenced now and one can only get to it from a door on the inside of the building. I don't like it though because prior you could leave the pool and sit at the picnic tables and grill and watch kids, etc. Now the tables and grills cannot be accessed from the pool and are just a few feet away (it is all one area). One has to go back inside and around and out. Pain in the arse. Not to mention if your kid was in the pool and you wanted to sit in shade a couple of feet away being responsible and watching him, and your kid started to drown, you could NOT get to him quickly by running towards the pool. I see no safety savings there, in fact just the opposite.

Its code here that any pool has to be fenced that is over a certain amount of inches deep, whether above ground or in ground, so little ones dont just tumble in.. I cant remember the number but it was fairly small (12?).

 

[GrandmaBear]

Its code here that any pool has to be fenced that is over a certain amount of inches deep, whether above ground or in ground, so little ones dont just tumble in.. I cant remember the number but it was fairly small (12?).

12 inches wouldn't be more than a wading pool so I guess that pretty much means all.

 

[Guess Who]

12 inches wouldn't be more than a wading pool so I guess that pretty much means all.

yep. It was an amount just over standard wading pool depth. I found the code for here

Swimming pools are permitted in the side or rear yard only, and must be set back at least 10 feet from side and rear property lines. Swimming pools with a depth of more than 2 feet must be enclosed by a protective fence at least 4 feet in height.

 

[Kimster]

yep. It was an amount just over standard wading pool depth. I found the code for here

Swimming pools are permitted in the side or rear yard only, and must be set back at least 10 feet from side and rear property lines. Swimming pools with a depth of more than 2 feet must be enclosed by a protective fence at least 4 feet in height.

That’s how they roll in California. I’m not sure about Oregon’ because there’s so few pools out here! They are fenced at motels though.

 

[GrandmaBear]

That’s how they roll in California. I’m not sure about Oregon’ because there’s so few pools out here! They are fenced at motels though.

In Wisconsin, my brother's house (he is passed now but his son owns it) has always had a large beautiful in ground pool on a big park like rural property and it has never been fenced. I will say they look so much nicer with the grounds and landscaping when they don't have to be fenced.

I also have seen outdoor pools in Arizona, Wisconsin and South Dakota at motels that are unfenced but in some cases that has been years ago so not sure of the rules there. Like Mel said in MN a big part of it is having at your own risk and many other rules posted for one thing.

 

[Guess Who]

Most code like this can technically be ignored until it gets called in

 

[Guess Who]

In Wisconsin, my brother's house (he is passed now but his son owns it) has always had a large beautiful in ground pool on a big park like rural property and it has never been fenced. I will say they look so much nicer with the grounds and landscaping when they don't have to be fenced.

I also have seen outdoor pools in Arizona, Wisconsin and South Dakota at motels that are unfenced but in some cases that has been years ago so not sure of the rules there. Like Mel said in MN a big part of it is having at your own risk and many other rules posted for one thing.

here, if you are not within city limits, these types of code would not apply unless it was county or state code.