Australia CHARLISE MUTTEN: Crown v Justin Stein for 2022 murder of 9-year-old step-daughter *GUILTY*

Search continues for missing nine-year-old girl in the NSW Blue Mountains

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Missing nine-year-old girl was holidaying in the Blue Mountains, search continues​

Police are continuing an extensive search for a missing nine-year-old girl who was holidaying in the NSW Blue Mountains.

Charlise Mutten, 9, was reported missing from a Mt Wilson property at about 8.20am on Friday and has reportedly been missing since Thursday.

Acting Superintendent John Nelson said Charlise is originally from Queensland and has been holidaying with her family in Mt Wilson over the school break.


Superintendent Nelson said Mt Wilson is a large area to search and police will use all resources possible to try and find the girl.

"The Mt Wilson area is a small community surrounded by bushland and some rugged bushland," he said.

The search restarted at first light with police holding grave concerns for the girl's welfare.

Crews looked in tents and bins for any sign of the child yesterday.


Officers are investigating all possibilities in the search for Charlise.

"She's a nine-year-old girl and she's missing we're here to pull out every stop that we can," Superintendent Nelson said.

"We're not discounting any scenario at this stage."


A woman was comforted by ambulance officers at the search centre before being taken to a Katoomba hospital.

Police are appealing for help from the public and have sent out geo-targeting messages.

Her parents' house has also been searched and is under police guard.

Superintendent Nelson said it is a "traumatic" experience for the family.

A car was seized in Penrith by police yesterday.

9News understands the homicide squad has been called in to assist local detectives.





Media - CHARLISE MUTTEN: Missing from Mt. Wilson, NSW since 13 Jan 2022 - Age 9

 

[Kimster]

There are a ton of pics in there and it was a long article but there was some info as well:

Police will allege Stein spent up to five hours driving around Sydney with his fiancé's daughter's body in the back of a boat, the Daily Telegraph reports.

The 31-year-old spent hours deciding where to leave her body before dumping it near a river, police will claim.

Detectives believe Charlise's mother had left her daughter in the care of Stein last Tuesday night - the last time she was confirmed to be alive.

Police will allege she was killed within the following 15 hours.

So he is actually in a big city with her in the back of the boat, for FIVE HOURS. I assume he was pulling the boat with the truck and most likely she was in the barrel or covered. Wow. I wonder why he was looking in the city for a spot... I mean he may have went in to buy the sand bags but then why not look for somewhere remote after that... And cities are full of cameras...

So mom left her in his care but didn't report until days later... Where was mom? And why did she leave her with him to begin with? Did she leave the area? Go out to party? Go back to town? Some part of me (no real reason) keeps wondering was this to be her first meeting with him and time to "bond" alone together before mom and he got married and mom loved and naively trusted him...? We have few details on how often Charlise was with mom or him or even if ever or how long mom and him had been together...

Later in the article it says the police can't get near mom yet. Well, I hope there is a real reason for that medically or mentally. It seems unusual to me, it's not like she was in a car accident or something and healing physically.

Mom may be completely innocent and totally over the edge and grief stricken and I don't judge that. I hope she does manage to step up soon for her child if she is innocent and against him and talk to police and asist with information. And if she is not, well then that protection in hospital better not last too long imo.

I am extremely curious to know the mom’s story in this case. If she tries to protect her fiancé, I’m going to explode.

 

[Kimster]

All sorts of tidbits in here.

Estranged dad of Charlise Mutten's accused killer is 'heartbroken'

The estranged father of Charlise Mutten's accused killer has revealed he has not seen him for 'some time' as his ex-wife defends their private-school educated son as having had a 'tortured life'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I don’t know how accurate the article is, but I’m not surprised by anything in it and it answers a lot of questions.

 

[RoundPeg]

Risp Was prescribed to my son when he was having meltdowns during middle school. He has AS. In his case, he was more docile. I don’t see how that could contribute to killing someone? Sounds like excuses to me.

Maybe if he was off his meds? I agree he is still responsible, meds or no.

 

[kdg411]

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Stein was sentenced to six and a half years in prison in 2017 for possessing a marketable quantity of a border prohibited narcotic the previous year, according to the Daily Mail Australia.

He was arrested around the same time Charlise’s mother was sentenced to three years in prison with a two-year non-parole period for reckless driving resulting in death while high on methamphetamines.

After serving a minimum term of three years and nine months, he became eligible for parole on December 7, 2019.

He was released from custody in November 2020, according to the Daily Mail Australia, and he and Ms Mutten were engaged by December 2020.

Stein’s ex-girlfriend confirmed that he had recently been released from prison and was unemployed, living in a Leichhardt flat owned by his mother.

Stein’s sentence will be completed in September of this year.

Ms Mutten, on the other hand, is a former ice addict who was sentenced to two years in prison for killing her 53-year-old companion Karen ‘Kaz’ Bunch after driving off the road and into the Tweed River while high on methamphetamine.

On November 24, 2017, she was sentenced to two years in prison at Lismore Court for hazardous driving resulting in death and driving with an illicit substance in her system.

Despite entering into a rehabilitation facility after the crash, Ms Mutten returned into ice use and was evicted from a clinic in Logan, Queensland, after threatening a fellow resident with violence, according to the court.

Ms Mutten is not still using drugs, according to the Daily Mail Australia.

On Thursday, Charlise vanished when the pair was at the Wildenstein wedding estate.

The large venue is owned by Stein’s family, however it’s unclear who else was present at the time Charlise vanished.

Stein, a former steel and timber worker from a well-to-do family, is said to divide his time between his inner-city house and the Mt Wilson venue, which his father James purchased in 1989.

He owns the company Magix Steel and Timber and goes by the internet handle ‘Magix Man’ or ‘Magic Man.’

He shared a photo of tattooed hands with the words ‘Magic’ on the right fist and ‘Man’ on the left, inscribed with dollar bills and skull-and-bones motifs.

 

[GrandmaBear]

All sorts of tidbits in here.

Estranged dad of Charlise Mutten's accused killer is 'heartbroken'

The estranged father of Charlise Mutten's accused killer has revealed he has not seen him for 'some time' as his ex-wife defends their private-school educated son as having had a 'tortured life'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Quite a bit of info as you say. Thanks for sharing the article.

So she is pregnant with his child. One would hope then her "medical" condition isn't due to drugs, hopefully not using while pregnant. Interesting that she collapsed when being questioned lightly but apparently the doctors are buying it and protecting her for the moment. She collapses when they need info about her daughter to find her daughter fast... Difficult to approach LE keeps saying... Who runs the show in this world these days... Maybe she is medicated so they have to wait until clear headed before talking to her but when she is, is combative? Probably the excuse of the safety of the unborn baby is what is working for her...?.

He may have had a tough childhood but his mother gives excuses and even seems to blame the mother for her son being involved with her as if what he did was due to her, etc. Then we have his meds and mental issues and they are not an excuse for murder but are the first things brought up and that which a defense/defendant runs to. And he had a hard childhood. And lives in a shack on their property. Other son runs their business I gather with his partner. Those present had to know he had the boat... WHY was the girl left with him? The way this sounds, perp's mom was no fan of girl's mom but had met mom and girl. I don't think we still know who was present on the property even of his family...

Actually, his mom, the child Charlise's mom and the perp himself seem to have something in common. Excuses and looking for a way out using those excuses. Mom collapses. He needs his meds. He had a rough childhood. Mom also makes excuses for him, blaming Charlise's mom not entirely subtly. Bad woman for HER son. While pregnancy and engagement within a year isn't exactly a long many year relationship, a year is still a year, not like it was a month later. A previous article referred to her being a mother of two so is this unborn baby a third...? Where is the other child?

The grandparents had guardianship of Charlise so neither bio parent had guardianship. Grandma does mom's job, raising her daughter and doing a good job it seems. Perp lives in a shack on the property(?) his parents own. His brother and his husband run the venue so parents provide that job and residence for that son in a way. Perp's mom is making excuses for perp. Child's mom has medical episode when questioned. Son needs medication and has mental issues. Perp went to private school. It seems the parents here of the ADULT children involved are the ones providing and taking care of things for those adult children. Just an observation. And all I see is excuses, excuses, excuses for the one/those responsible for the DEATH of a child.

And he wants protective custody too for HIS own safety. Well gee, nice he worries about his own safety while Charlise was anything but safe with HIM. SMH.

A shack. Probably on a corner of the property... So he and Charlise were perhaps not staying in the house and mom wasn't there at all...? It hasn't said that but one wonders...

Anyhow, grrr. Just thoughts.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Excerpts from the Daily Mail Article

When police arrived, Ms Mutten was present at the estate without the company of her fiance and during an informal round of police questions she had 'a medical episode' and was taken to Blue Mountains Hospital at Katoomba. Comment: Informal round of questioning caused an episode. Fiance (conveniently?) not present.

'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink, or choose their partners, and sometimes it ends up in a headache like this one,' Ms Stein said. What headache? A child murdered? I think some remarks must be out of context. Also seems to imply reason this happened was this relationship and in other words, it was the mother's fault her son killed her daughter. She couldn't make him choose a better partner after all...

The 56-year-old said it would be painful for any parent to have a child go through what her son was experiencing because 'parents know their children' What her SON was experiencing? What about the child? If she means his former life or childhood, well still, is that an excuse? What exactly is her point other than seeming to minimize and blame things and others but not her son. She made him do it. His childhood made him do it. If he had not dated her, he wouldn't have done it.

The pair shared a whirlwind romance and got engaged after just over a year together, with Ms Mutten, 31, now reportedly pregnant with Stein's child. Well I haven't caught up yet but just saw a glimpse of an article above and it sounds like he was in prison, got out and they were engaged the next month. Is it a year or a month? Could be the reporting, hard to say. And now we know he had a drug background as well... I have to go read that yet...

It is alleged Stein tried to drag the barrel from the boat and dispose of it in the river, but due to its weight didn't get very far and dumped it in scrub near the bank.
Almost four hours later a person, believed to be Ms Mutten, dialled Triple-0 to report that Charlise was missing from the Wildenstein property. These two sentences are chronological in the article. It leaves me thinking he finally dumped Charlise, after having many issues with the boat and all, she was waiting to hear that, he let her know (or had told her to wait that long) and then she calls cops to report her missing.

I don't think we have an innocent mother here or at least it is highly unlikely. I think she at least had knowledge. One would hope they would insist on getting her stable enough to talk to soon because I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not buying the need for continued protection from most likely hospital doctors/staff. She has to come out of it or off of it or whatever is going on at some point.

 

[Kimster]

Excerpts from the Daily Mail Article

When police arrived, Ms Mutten was present at the estate without the company of her fiance and during an informal round of police questions she had 'a medical episode' and was taken to Blue Mountains Hospital at Katoomba. Comment: Informal round of questioning caused an episode. Fiance (conveniently?) not present.

'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink, or choose their partners, and sometimes it ends up in a headache like this one,' Ms Stein said. What headache? A child murdered? I think some remarks must be out of context. Also seems to imply reason this happened was this relationship and in other words, it was the mother's fault her son killed her daughter. She couldn't make him choose a better partner after all...

The 56-year-old said it would be painful for any parent to have a child go through what her son was experiencing because 'parents know their children' What her SON was experiencing? What about the child? If she means his former life or childhood, well still, is that an excuse? What exactly is her point other than seeming to minimize and blame things and others but not her son. She made him do it. His childhood made him do it. If he had not dated her, he wouldn't have done it.

The pair shared a whirlwind romance and got engaged after just over a year together, with Ms Mutten, 31, now reportedly pregnant with Stein's child. Well I haven't caught up yet but just saw a glimpse of an article above and it sounds like he was in prison, got out and they were engaged the next month. Is it a year or a month? Could be the reporting, hard to say. And now we know he had a drug background as well... I have to go read that yet...

It is alleged Stein tried to drag the barrel from the boat and dispose of it in the river, but due to its weight didn't get very far and dumped it in scrub near the bank.
Almost four hours later a person, believed to be Ms Mutten, dialled Triple-0 to report that Charlise was missing from the Wildenstein property. These two sentences are chronological in the article. It leaves me thinking he finally dumped Charlise, after having many issues with the boat and all, she was waiting to hear that, he let her know (or had told her to wait that long) and then she calls cops to report her missing.

I don't think we have an innocent mother here or at least it is highly unlikely. I think she at least had knowledge. One would hope they would insist on getting her stable enough to talk to soon because I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not buying the need for continued protection from most likely hospital doctors/staff. She has to come out of it or off of it or whatever is going on at some point.

They both need to spend the rest of their lives behind bars. I have NO sympathy for these creatures. None!

 

[GrandmaBear]

They both need to spend the rest of their lives behind bars. I have NO sympathy for these creatures. None!

I agree. Waiting to hear more detail on the mother but she knew something at some point at minimum.

 

[GrandmaBear]

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Stein was sentenced to six and a half years in prison in 2017 for possessing a marketable quantity of a border prohibited narcotic the previous year, according to the Daily Mail Australia.

He was arrested around the same time Charlise’s mother was sentenced to three years in prison with a two-year non-parole period for reckless driving resulting in death while high on methamphetamines.

After serving a minimum term of three years and nine months, he became eligible for parole on December 7, 2019.

He was released from custody in November 2020, according to the Daily Mail Australia, and he and Ms Mutten were engaged by December 2020.

Stein’s ex-girlfriend confirmed that he had recently been released from prison and was unemployed, living in a Leichhardt flat owned by his mother.

Stein’s sentence will be completed in September of this year.

Ms Mutten, on the other hand, is a former ice addict who was sentenced to two years in prison for killing her 53-year-old companion Karen ‘Kaz’ Bunch after driving off the road and into the Tweed River while high on methamphetamine.

On November 24, 2017, she was sentenced to two years in prison at Lismore Court for hazardous driving resulting in death and driving with an illicit substance in her system.

Despite entering into a rehabilitation facility after the crash, Ms Mutten returned into ice use and was evicted from a clinic in Logan, Queensland, after threatening a fellow resident with violence, according to the court.

Ms Mutten is not still using drugs, according to the Daily Mail Australia.

On Thursday, Charlise vanished when the pair was at the Wildenstein wedding estate.

The large venue is owned by Stein’s family, however it’s unclear who else was present at the time Charlise vanished.

Stein, a former steel and timber worker from a well-to-do family, is said to divide his time between his inner-city house and the Mt Wilson venue, which his father James purchased in 1989.

He owns the company Magix Steel and Timber and goes by the internet handle ‘Magix Man’ or ‘Magic Man.’

He shared a photo of tattooed hands with the words ‘Magic’ on the right fist and ‘Man’ on the left, inscribed with dollar bills and skull-and-bones motifs.

So mom owns his flat but he owns a company... "Magic Man" seems to fit drugs more than steel and timber but who knows... I somehow doubt he works or the business is thriving but hard to say... So how did these two meet, both had drug involvement prior to their "alleged" meeting and both in prison, not that that means they knew each other I guess.... I wonder what they mean with his charge about a border controlled narcotic... Are we talking country borders, state/county, etc. or what... On an airline, in a vehicle...

His mother said they knew each other a year before engaged. Here it would seem a month UNLESS she knew him prior to his release then both could be true... How does a male get to know a female in prison...? Unlikely. So I'm guessing they knew each other prior... Just speculating.

So child who for all it seems was well taken care of with grandparents, well adjusted, going to school, goes for a short visit with these two and apparently mom was incapable of even staying with her and leaves her with bf and both were incapable of just at least marginally taking care of a child for two week. And we don't even know what happened yet, I seriously doubt it was any accident.

 

[RoundPeg]

More confusing news.

Charlise Mutten: Twist in case of schoolgirl as her alleged murderer Justin Stein pleads not guilty - NewsFinale

The stepfather of schoolgirl Charlise Mutten, accused of murdering her and dumping her body in a barrel, will fight the charges at trial after pleading

newsfinale.com

 

[kdg411]

More confusing news.

Charlise Mutten: Twist in case of schoolgirl as her alleged murderer Justin Stein pleads not guilty - NewsFinale

The stepfather of schoolgirl Charlise Mutten, accused of murdering her and dumping her body in a barrel, will fight the charges at trial after pleading

newsfinale.com

An hour away from the wedding venue? Oh my, this is confusing.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

So, she allowed her daughter to go ALONE with her boyfriend/fiance/whatever to this venue? When she only gets to spend 2 weeks with her in the first place? Then what? She shows up at the venue and says, where's my daughter?

So I guess it's possible that she didn't actually know what happened. BUT, she probably "knew" in her heart. I don't really want to think it or put it out there, but that sounds a lot like some other horrendous cases recently. Why else would you allow your 9-year-old to go alone? Hence the "medical episode". Could be wrong, but that's my interpretation. Anxiety, guilt, grief, etc.

"When police arrived, Ms Mutten was present at the estate without the company of her fiance and during an informal round of police questions she had a 'medical episode' and was taken to Blue Mountains Hospital at Katoomba."

It bothers me that the STILL have not formally questioned her. Either they have no reason to (they know she is not involved), they've been told not to or are not allowed to by the medical professionals overseeing her care, or they're extremely slow. I'm guessing it's the second, as even if she's not involved, they could still likely get some helpful information from her.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Stein's mother is a piece of work. So sorry the murder of a child is a headache for you. I get being frustrated with a partner your child chooses, but HE is the one being accused of murder. Not her.

Charlise Mutten alleged murder raises three key questions as mum of alleged killer defends son

Detectives are pursuing three key questions surrounding the alleged murder of Charlise Mutten including the motive of her stepfather Justin Stein, who has been charged over her grisly death.

nation.lk

It comes after Stein's mother defended her son and made extraordinary comments aimed at the nine-year-old's biological mum, calling the situation 'a headache'.

Annemie Stein revealed she didn't approve of the whirlwind relationship between her son - who went to Cranbrook, one of Sydney's most elite private schools - and the girl's mother Ms Mutten.

Social media posts show the pair shared a rapid romance, announcing they were in a relationship about a year after Ms Mutten, a former ice addict who has served jail time, walked free from prison.

'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink, or choose their partners, and sometimes it ends up in a headache like this one,' Ms Stein told the Telegraph.

 

[GrandmaBear]

More confusing news.

Charlise Mutten: Twist in case of schoolgirl as her alleged murderer Justin Stein pleads not guilty - NewsFinale

The stepfather of schoolgirl Charlise Mutten, accused of murdering her and dumping her body in a barrel, will fight the charges at trial after pleading

newsfinale.com

My first thought in reading it was I'm not nuts, it isn't just me, they took his mother's remarks largely the same as they struck me.

Second thought was they "invited" her for the holiday. One always has to wonder with news, that one word "invite" can put another connotation entirely on things... Is it just a media choice of words or was it an actual invitation extended and not a typical holiday visit with mom? Could it be daughter was invited to spend time with future stepdad bonding... Man that keeps crossing my mind...

Third was he and the daughter visited mom in a caravan park? Say what? Mom doesn't take daughter to visit him, he has daughter and takes her to visit mom... I keep thinking this was to be a him and "stepdaughter" bonding thing before marriage, "meet the dad"... I have had this thought since early on (just speculation of why she would be alone with him with mom's approval) and I might be wrong but the thought has been there since I first read here on wondering why he would have the child without the mother...

Then next thought was we have this beautiful wedding venue, pretty ritzy, sprawling home, celebrity worthy, trimmed hedges, trees, picture sites and backdrops, and I have seen a few wedding blogs/accounts that were held there... But then we have a shack with HIM for some years on this property living there part of the time at least... Doesn't a shack seem a bit incongruous with this property and its purpose and overall look...? And now we know he is a former prison inmate... Did they hide him and the shack when ritzy weddings were going on...? Little bridesmaid children I saw in one... And a creep lives part time at least on the grounds in a shack? I mean really, does that fit the place? Again I can tell you flat out 12 acres is not that huge but after seeing pics, they do have a lot of rows of hedges and things that may block a line of sight BUT seriously wouldn't you tell this problem son to stay at the flat you gave him in the city...? And away from a wedding venue where they don't even let him stay in the sprawling house...?

This is so strange, all of it and no motive yet is the last thing I would mention...

Jmo. Just thoughts.

 

[Kimster]

Stein's mother is a piece of work. So sorry the murder of a child is a headache for you. I get being frustrated with a partner your child chooses, but HE is the one being accused of murder. Not her.

Charlise Mutten alleged murder raises three key questions as mum of alleged killer defends son

Detectives are pursuing three key questions surrounding the alleged murder of Charlise Mutten including the motive of her stepfather Justin Stein, who has been charged over her grisly death.

nation.lk

It comes after Stein's mother defended her son and made extraordinary comments aimed at the nine-year-old's biological mum, calling the situation 'a headache'.

Annemie Stein revealed she didn't approve of the whirlwind relationship between her son - who went to Cranbrook, one of Sydney's most elite private schools - and the girl's mother Ms Mutten.

Social media posts show the pair shared a rapid romance, announcing they were in a relationship about a year after Ms Mutten, a former ice addict who has served jail time, walked free from prison.

'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink, or choose their partners, and sometimes it ends up in a headache like this one,' Ms Stein told the Telegraph.

I didn’t remark about his mum for a reason. I was afraid you would put me on a time out.

 

[GrandmaBear]

So, she allowed her daughter to go ALONE with her boyfriend/fiance/whatever to this venue? When she only gets to spend 2 weeks with her in the first place? Then what? She shows up at the venue and says, where's my daughter?

So I guess it's possible that she didn't actually know what happened. BUT, she probably "knew" in her heart. I don't really want to think it or put it out there, but that sounds a lot like some other horrendous cases recently. Why else would you allow your 9-year-old to go alone? Hence the "medical episode". Could be wrong, but that's my interpretation. Anxiety, guilt, grief, etc.

"When police arrived, Ms Mutten was present at the estate without the company of her fiance and during an informal round of police questions she had a 'medical episode' and was taken to Blue Mountains Hospital at Katoomba."

It bothers me that the STILL have not formally questioned her. Either they have no reason to (they know she is not involved), they've been told not to or are not allowed to by the medical professionals overseeing her care, or they're extremely slow. I'm guessing it's the second, as even if she's not involved, they could still likely get some helpful information from her.

Once I got past the confusing reporting in the beginning which still seems to be an issue here and there, and had the few supposed facts, my take on it as it has progressed is very similar to yours.

I don't know that she showed up at the venue and said where's my daughter though and it is unclear to me if he was at the venue with the girl (thought that was the case up until just tonight) but that's where police responded to and definitely it seems where he took the boat from, etc. The reporting or LE info or supposition is still confusing as the story is she was last seen on the "veranda" at the venue on whatever afternoon but then we come to be told she was missing longer and killed a few days before that... To me this confusing contradiction means who knows... In fact he could have been at the caravan park with her with mom we know so little... And I only just read about mom being at a caravan park and he and daughter "visiting" her there. Unless I missed confirmation of her at the venue. That is what we heard throughout (up until tonight for me) but what places her there now, or even ever or at least when?

It reminds me too of some recent cases but I haven't said it "out loud" on here but the thought has certainly crossed my mind... They "invited" the girl per the last article I just read here... Caravans, shacks, prior drug histories with both, a daughter you don't have custody of... A holiday. And an invite but not staying with or seeing mom with this invite but instead with her man...

As for mom, I am trying also to hang on to not accuse outright of anything as LE doesn't commit and claims to not have questioned her yet but that episode when being informally questioned I just feel is pretty convenient. I have tried to give some benefit of the doubt until we know more and maybe she was even beaten or hurt or controlled and made to call in but there are PHONE CALLS to her from him or so it sounds... I just don't see a scenario where she doesn't have some knowledge at a certain point at least although naivete and blind trust could be a possibility but this woman did time and does not seem the naive type...

I'm getting upset over mom and it is growing and I am sure for others... What scenario would mean she can't answer some simple questions by now...?? This is a police investigation with a dead child.

I will say though I gripe about investigations or wonder at times as we all do and about media as well, but LE got things like CCTV and GPS, etc. so fast and acted on it, if she had been alive, it may have saved her, it was rapid imo. Now they may have had tips or sightings to lead there but to then get the info, review it and move on it wow. So many cases here I think well they are methodically doing whatever but if you wanted your kid found before dead, even if wandering off and lost, and not abducted, GET on that footage already and it takes forever the cell phone data, the GPS, the business cameras, the warrants, the review of footage... How many cases have I and others said here and elsewhere, they didn't think to look for footage until more than 30 day when many cover over, say what??!! Kudos to authorities there. Seriously. Cleo's case and now this one, different outcomes but they were ON it... Or so it appears...

Which is WHY the H can't they question the mother??!! It's a murder investigation of a child!

 

[GrandmaBear]

Stein's mother is a piece of work. So sorry the murder of a child is a headache for you. I get being frustrated with a partner your child chooses, but HE is the one being accused of murder. Not her.

Charlise Mutten alleged murder raises three key questions as mum of alleged killer defends son

Detectives are pursuing three key questions surrounding the alleged murder of Charlise Mutten including the motive of her stepfather Justin Stein, who has been charged over her grisly death.

nation.lk

It comes after Stein's mother defended her son and made extraordinary comments aimed at the nine-year-old's biological mum, calling the situation 'a headache'.

Annemie Stein revealed she didn't approve of the whirlwind relationship between her son - who went to Cranbrook, one of Sydney's most elite private schools - and the girl's mother Ms Mutten.

Social media posts show the pair shared a rapid romance, announcing they were in a relationship about a year after Ms Mutten, a former ice addict who has served jail time, walked free from prison.

'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink, or choose their partners, and sometimes it ends up in a headache like this one,' Ms Stein told the Telegraph.

Yep he went to an elite private school and gf wasn't good enough for mommy BUT her son had a longer prison sentence than mommy did we now learn.. I'm sure that wasn't her son's fault either... Where were the parents from again? Holland? I read it in looking up the wedding venue the other day somewhere...

She does come across as if only, but, and her fault... Assuming the quotes are correct and meant the way they are reported anyhow.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I didn’t remark about his mum for a reason. I was afraid you would put me on a time out.

After all this time here, I still don't know. Do you mean she can put you on a timeout?! Can you put her on one?! Who can ban the emu? Both of you or one of you? Which one?? I thought you both had rank...

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

I don't know that she showed up at the venue and said where's my daughter though and it is unclear to me if he was at the venue with the girl (thought that was the case up until just tonight) but that's where police responded to and definitely it seems where he took the boat from, etc. The reporting or LE info or supposition is still confusing as the story is she was last seen on the "veranda" at the venue on whatever afternoon but then we come to be told she was missing longer and killed a few days before that... To me this confusing contradiction means who knows... In fact he could have been at the caravan park with her with mom we know so little... And I only just read about mom being at a caravan park and he and daughter "visiting" her there. Unless I missed confirmation of her at the venue. That is what we heard throughout (up until tonight for me) but what places her there now, or even ever or at least when?

Oooooh. I get what they're saying now. Maybe. Ya'll are right that this case is confusing.

Like you said, still some contradictory statements though. Like:

"Ms Mutten left her daughter in Stein's care last Tuesday" and "The mother is understood to have been staying at the Riviera Ski Park when her nine-year-old daughter was allegedly murdered 80 kilometers away at a lavish wedding venue in Wildenstein."

And then she reported her daughter missing from the wedding venue. I guess it's possible Charlise was never there, and that's just his property that he was getting the boat from, etc. But it certainly seems mom left her with him somewhere, not together, for some period of time.

 

[RoundPeg]

They searched where the mom was staying, too.

Mum ‘at caravan park’ when girl killed

Police believe the mother of murdered schoolgirl, Charlise Mutten was staying at a caravan park when her nine-year-old daughter was allegedly murdered in the NSW Blue Mountains.

www.google.com