DAVID "DAVE" EDWIN LEWIS: Murder & arson 13 miles east of Ashland, OR - 4 September 2008

David "Dave" Lewis was a 46 year old father of three. A jack of all trades and good man in any camp, Dave was well known and well respected in his mountain community where he lived on the summit of Dead Indian Memorial Road, 13 miles east of Ashland, Jackson County, Oregon for more than 20 years.

David was found dead after a fire at his rural cabin at 12801 Dead Indian Memorial Road. He had been murdered, shot & the cabin set fire.

David's remains were identified by DNA. There was also ANOTHER FIRE near Dave's cabin that same night, at a vacant vacation cabin at 18196 Dead Indian Memorial Road, about 5-6 miles away.

Edited to add media link: Dave Lewis was found murdered in his rural cabin east of Ashland, Oregon in 2008. His murder remains UNSOLVED!

 

[Tresir]

A 501c3 is a non profit organization which is indeed indicated in the first link I shared.
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The Bear Creek Greenway Foundation – Trail in Southern Oregon

bearcreekgreenway.com

Are you trying to make a case that because the City of Central Point bought some acres to make into a public park that someone benefited (private pension companies??) enough to have killed Troy 15.5 years ago?

I am telling you that the Bear Creek Greenway is a public space, a bikepath that stretches over 18 miles between Ashland & Central Point.

It may be managed and maintained by a 501c3 non profit foundation but that doesn't mean anyone is making money. The organization exists to maintain public access to this greenway. It started when I was a kid.
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I'm not trying to make any point. I just am looking into what is happening with the area where he was killed. And, funnily enough, like the other two arsons, it's being (or been) sold. I think that is a big coincidence in all three cases. If you read the link I posted on Troy's thread you will see that the homeless camps are one of the big reasons they are changing things and it says that if public funds are going to be used to maintain it, then the public has to be able to vote on it. It sounds like it will be split into different jurisdictions who will have to maintain certain sections because of that fire risk.

 

[Red Clover]

I'm not trying to make any point. I just am looking into what is happening with the area where he was killed. And, funnily enough, like the other two arsons, it's being (or been) sold. I think that is a big coincidence in all three cases. If you read the link I posted on Troy's thread you will see that the homeless camps are one of the big reasons they are changing things and it says that if public funds are going to be used to maintain it, then the public has to be able to vote on it. It sounds like it will be split into different jurisdictions who will have to maintain certain sections because of that fire risk.

I read it and I am a registered voter in the county and live in one of the towns along the greenway.

 

[Tresir]

A 1/2 days work is barely enough money to get you a bus ticket. What is the problem with LW offering to wire him some money? They spoke every day.

The problem is he never lived to receive it. If he had done the firewood job he would have got money and left the area and been alive.

 

[Red Clover]

The problem is he never lived to receive it. If he had done the firewood job he would have got money and left the area and been alive.

How? He was dead before morning.

 

[Tresir]

I read it and I am a registered voter in the county and live in one of the towns along the greenway.

A 501c is classed as a private organization's. You will be asked to vote to see if you want your local public taxes used to maintain it. I have posted a link on Troy's thread and will post the link about private classification too. The point is that all 3 of these murder/arsons occurred on land that has since been sold. That is what is important about this imo.

 

[Red Clover]

A 501c is classed as a private organization's. You will be asked to vote to see if you want your local public taxes used to maintain it. I have posted a link on Troy's thread and will post the link about private classification too. The point is that all 3 of these murder/arsons occurred on land that has since been sold. That is what is important about this imo.

I don't think you understand how a 501c3 works.

 

[Tresir]

How? He was dead before morning.

He must have been offered the firewood job when he was alive but declined it after speaking to his mother right? If he had done the job and left that day rather than stay another day waiting for the money to arrive, he would have already left the area and not been shot in the head. The link I posted on his thread shows a lot of public against the camps.

 

[Tresir]

I don't think you understand how a 501c3 works.

Yes I do. I don't think you know what I understand so please don't patronize me. If you don't want me commenting any more, just say so.

 

[Red Clover]

He must have been offered the firewood job when he was alive but declined it after speaking to his mother right? If he had done the job and left that day rather than stay another day waiting for the money to arrive, he would have already left the area and not been shot in the head.

It was LABOR DAY, noone works on Labor Day unless you have to. It's a vacation weekend for us here in the states. Certainly noone is delivering firewood, it's a picnic barbecue kind of day, the last hurrah of summer before kids go back to school.

Was Troy supposed to get his work clothes on after talking with his mom and head out? He left the truck stop at 6:00, so a 1/2 days work if he was picked up right then takes you to at least 10 pm. Noone wants firewood delivered at night on a holiday. This line of questioning is not making sense to me.

The link I posted on his thread shows a lot of public against the camps.

Again, I live here, I am very aware of how much hatred is directed at the unhoused in our area. There's a US Supreme Court case right now that involves the City of Grants Pass.

 

[Red Clover]

Yes I do. I don't think you know what I understand so please don't patronize me. If you don't want me commenting any more, just say so.

I just don't understand why you would think that the greenway foundation and the maintenance of a 20 mile long bike path has any relevance whatsoever in Troy's murder.

Each entity involved in the Greenway has received a list of governance models to review. One option is to maintain the status quo. Another is a nonprofit entity such as a foundation. A further option is a special parks and recreation district, while another idea is a county service district. Some have suggested a county service district with an additional inter-governmental agreement. Some form of jurisdictional partnership is also being discussed.

A special Greenway district would likely be similar to other county districts such as the Jackson County Library District — except the intergovernmental agreement would help cities involved maintain some oversight of the trail. The governing entity would be rare or completely unique. Lambert said he could not think of another entity exactly like it, but to create it, no new laws would be needed.

 

[Regina]

A 1/2 days work is barely enough money to get you a bus ticket. What is the problem with LW offering to wire him some money? They spoke every day.

How was his current status different than how he lived his life?
It hasn't been explained why he wouldn't have taken the job.

 

[Tresir]

It was LABOR DAY, noone works on Labor Day unless you have to. It's a vacation weekend for us here in the states. Certainly noone is delivering firewood, it's a picnic barbecue kind of day, the last hurrah of summer before kids go back to school.

Was Troy supposed to get his work clothes on after talking with his mom and head out? He left the truck stop at 6:00, so a 1/2 days work if he was picked up right then takes you to at least 10 pm. Noone wants firewood delivered at night on a holiday. This line of questioning is not making sense to me.

Again, I live here, I am very aware of how much hatred is directed at the unhoused in our area. There's a US Supreme Court case right now that involves the City of Grants Pass.

Do you want us commenting on here or not? Or only people who live in Ashland? I mentioned I would look into the land to see what was happening with it and surprise, surprise the 50 acres including where Troy was shot is being sold to the city. Did you know about that?

 

[Red Clover]

How was his current status different than how he lived his life?
It hasn't been explained why he wouldn't have taken the job.

All I know is he told his mom he was offered a 1/2 days work delivering firewood. He didn't choose to accept it for whatever reason, maybe he didn't have the right gear, maybe it was sketchy, maybe he didn't want to. Who knows. His usual occupation was helping truckers with their loads, working around the trucks, maybe polishing wheels.

 

[Red Clover]

Do you want us commenting on here or not? Or only people who live in Ashland? I mentioned I would look into the land to see what was happening with it and surprise, surprise the 50 acres including where Troy was shot is being sold to the city. Did you know about that?

Comment all you please. I have no idea what relevance that has on anything.

 

[Tresir]

I just don't understand why you would think that the greenway foundation and the maintenance of a 20 mile long bike path has any relevance whatsoever in Troy's murder.

And I don't understand why you think it wouldn't. You just said you are aware of the problem.

 

[Tresir]

Comment all you please. I have no idea what relevance that has on anything.

Its relevant because of the camping that residents dislike. Why are you getting all pissy now?

 

[Red Clover]

Its relevant because of the camping that residents dislike. Why are you getting all pissy now?

I don't think this is productive. Thanks

 

[Tresir]

Well the good news is they have new leads in the Dave Grubbs decapitation.

Only a few days since the CW thread was started so something is working right anyway.

Link to below.

Post in thread 'David Grubbs attacked & killed walking home from work on the bike path in Ashland Oregon November 19 2011 UNSOLVED' David Grubbs attacked & killed walking home from work on the bike path in Ashland Oregon November 19 2011 UNSOLVED

 

[Tresir]

The firewood job could have been because of the public holiday. Wood for barbecues needed. I think I have it sorted in my mind why Troy was shot. A random pissed off local fed up with the campers. From the description of Wolverine and his family they just scarpered and left all their stuff including the tent. I have seen people at musical festivals do this too leaving tents, sleeping bags, wellies, everything. Just too lazy to pack it up and take it with them.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I have been reading through this thread. @Red Clover has laid out a lot of information to look through and form our own opinions. It is based on their experiences with people involved. I see no point in dismissing those experiences, even in disagreement. We can formulate our own theories. I’m trying to piece things together. Now, I’m not sure how the 2 cases are related, other than the arsons. There may be other things, but, unfortunately, very little information has been released by LE. From what I know, there was no personal connection between Dave and Troy. Whoever killed Dave would have to be familiar with the area in order to be driving those roads late at night. It would help whoever leave the general area. Possibly someone living up there. Or someone who spent time in the Hyatt Lake/Dead Indian Memorial Road area. Not easy to navigate. I think there are statistics on family violence that support the idea that money is a known motive. I’ve heard some about that previously and will try and post links on that later. Not everyone will react by killing a someone/sibling over money, but it is not far-fetched.

I also lean towards someone local/living up there. I haven't dismissed anything and never will unless it can be dismissed (say LE says someone is clear for instance, not that they share anything but if they did), but I am getting to where I find some things and suspects a lot more unlikely than others. That wasn't true at first, I was wide open but now with more answers, I am feeling some theories more likely than others.

Theer was nothing to be gained by this any sibling. Or parent. Or cousin or uncle for that matter. You talk of money being a known motive but the money would not go to that person, it would go to his children. So while a sibling for one example killing another may not be "farfetched" as you say, I think it is to plan such a thing, drive there in the middle of the night or what? There is no monetary gain. How many plan to and do kill their sibling for what appears to be no motive at all?

I'm sure we will all come to where we have our own stronger theory than another who may differ on what is strong for them. In some cases, we often all agree, like Daybell, there's not many who think the two not guilty.

I though don't rule anything out, I just am finding that theory very unlikely amongst theories. I don't expect all t agree with me either. That's fine.

You know, we don't even know if the checks were a significant amount of money or not. I asked and it is unknown.

Anyhow, I agree whoever drove those roads at night was likely local imo.