DAVID "DAVE" EDWIN LEWIS: Murder & arson 13 miles east of Ashland, OR - 4 September 2008

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David "Dave" Lewis was a 46 year old father of three. A jack of all trades and good man in any camp, Dave was well known and well respected in his mountain community where he lived on the summit of Dead Indian Memorial Road, 13 miles east of Ashland, Jackson County, Oregon for more than 20 years.

David was found dead after a fire at his rural cabin at 12801 Dead Indian Memorial Road. He had been murdered, shot & the cabin set fire.

David's remains were identified by DNA. There was also ANOTHER FIRE near Dave's cabin that same night, at a vacant vacation cabin at 18196 Dead Indian Memorial Road, about 5-6 miles away.

Edited to add media link: Dave Lewis was found murdered in his rural cabin east of Ashland, Oregon in 2008. His murder remains UNSOLVED!
 

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Yeah, they just "feel" different. Don't you think?

Dave's was at his home of 25 years or whatever it was and it feels different. The other two while not similar were in parks/on trails and while the perp could have know who they were, they just feel more random or like hate crimes or something and maybe not as personally motivated so much as Dave's... That's not to say the perp couldn't have known them or of them but it just feels different if that makes any sense.

I honestly am seeing little connection and think more than likely we have three different perps with individual reasons/motives in each.
I agree 3 different perps and motives.
 
I agree 3 different perps and motives.
Happy to hear you see that or sense it too. I'm not sure of course but they are all very different really when it comes down to it. I think the fact murder, etc. was rare there had all connecting them maybe. In our county it is rare too BUT...

More later. I literally have to head out the door right now in the dark, tired as heck.

But yeah I don't think they are connected by murderer or motive. Not at this point anyhow...
 
I wonder the same. He needed work, needed a ticket but seemed to need or want to get out of there like now. I may be wrong but it's what I sense/pick up on. Something was wrong imo. Just an opinion. Just a guess.
I have the same feeling about that but yeah, there's just not enough info. and so we can only guess.
As for who killed him, I would think it was another transient and you know, in a news video, the police said they had a strong suspect and I'm not sure how that could be unless it's someone somehow familiar to others in the area.
 
I have the same feeling about that but yeah, there's just not enough info. and so we can only guess.
As for who killed him, I would think it was another transient and you know, in a news video, the police said they had a strong suspect and I'm not sure how that could be unless it's someone somehow familiar to others in the area.
I've considered the same. He wasn't from there and maybe was on someone's "turf" or in their "spot" who felt it "theirs" or something like that. I've also wondered if there weren't one or two others he was competing for work with at the truck stop... I did debate whether homeless person would have a gun, one would think anything of value would be sold to survive but not necessarily I guess... I don't know... Sounds like a lot of druggies based on reviews and that made me think you'd also sell/trade it for drugs. Lol did they carry their registration papers with them and have ammo? Just random thoughts but yes that one remains a possibility for me as well though.

We certainly don't have enough info, no one does but I do feel his murder is far different than Dave's and that yes, it relates to someone around the park/truck stop, etc. Most likely. Or local there and not happy with transients.

Also due to the fire being weeks later, that as well doesn't really match up with what happened in Dave's and I'm not even sure that fire relates to Troy or was set by his killer.

But certainly all are guesses and just opinion based on the little known.

Not sure I knew they had a strong suspect in that one or I just forgot lol. I know someone was looked at in Grubbs.
 
Happy to hear you see that or sense it too. I'm not sure of course but they are all very different really when it comes down to it. I think the fact murder, etc. was rare there had all connecting them maybe. In our county it is rare too BUT...
Indeed, "but"! I know you know as well I do that statistics aren't evidence, you know, one can't say "it's a fact these crimes are connected because murders here are rare", lol!
 
Indeed, "but"! I know you know as well I do that statistics aren't evidence, you know, one can't say "it's a fact these crimes are connected because murders here are rare", lol!
For sure. That's pretty much what I meant. When I mentioned my county, yeah since rare one might think all connected but no one ever does and none have been ever lol. Each one is different v though rare.

I think it is an enormous stretch to think these two connected but not helping that is LE saying they are in some vague way and they're entire unclear as to what they mean. They also denied they were connected earlier on I believe.

Imo, here is the way they are connected--both men are dead, were murdered and both cases are unsolved. Lol, there's the similarities.
 
I've considered the same. He wasn't from there and maybe was on someone's "turf" or in their "spot" who felt it "theirs" or something like that. I've also wondered if there weren't one or two others he was competing for work with at the truck stop... I did debate whether homeless person would have a gun, one would think anything of value would be sold to survive but not necessarily I guess... I don't know... Sounds like a lot of druggies based on reviews and that made me think you'd also sell/trade it for drugs. Lol did they carry their registration papers with them and have ammo? Just random thoughts but yes that one remains a possibility for me as well though.

We certainly don't have enough info, no one does but I do feel his murder is far different than Dave's and that yes, it relates to someone around the park/truck stop, etc. Most likely. Or local there and not happy with transients.

Also due to the fire being weeks later, that as well doesn't really match up with what happened in Dave's and I'm not even sure that fire relates to Troy or was set by his killer.

But certainly all are guesses and just opinion based on the little known.

Not sure I knew they had a strong suspect in that one or I just forgot lol. I know someone was looked at in Grubbs.
Well I'd think the gun was likely stolen but as for a strong "suspect", I'm sorry, I misspoke, they said strong "persons of interest" (Oh, whichever, lol!) and it's plural.
Here's the news report. Unsolved So. Oregon: From the Ashes - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2
Btw, the officer says something like he's not sure why someone would return later to destroy evidence and I'm not sure why he says that (lol!) but I suggest that perhaps that's not the actual reason for the fire, therefore, why it doesn't seem to make any sense (lol). Seriously, what would be the evidence? And I want to reiterate that re the Lewis fire, I'm not convinced it was to destroy evidence. I mean, I know that that's usually the reason when there's also a murder but I wouldn't conclude that that's the reason in this particular case.
 
Well I'd think the gun was likely stolen but as for a strong "suspect", I'm sorry, I misspoke, they said strong "persons of interest" (Oh, whichever, lol!) and it's plural.
Here's the news report. Unsolved So. Oregon: From the Ashes - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2
Btw, the officer says something like he's not sure why someone would return later to destroy evidence and I'm not sure why he says that (lol!) but I suggest that perhaps that's not the actual reason for the fire, therefore, why it doesn't seem to make any sense (lol). Seriously, what would be the evidence? And I want to reiterate that re the Lewis fire, I'm not convinced it was to destroy evidence. I mean, I know that that's usually the reason when there's also a murder but I wouldn't conclude that that's the reason in this particular case.
Not sure about the gun be stolen, never crossed my mind but certainly possible.

I want to know more about Troy and his life, past, choices, and more but that's not likely going to happen.

Yeah I agree I'm not sure the purpose of either fire and I'm not convinced the fire set in Troy's case was set two weeks later by his killer, just as likely it had nothing to do with the murder and was set by someone else.

I can't recall, was that one even clearly arson?? Probably but don't recall. Dave's was far more clearly arson and likely of course set by his killer/killers. Not sure of the motive/reason for the fire or of his murder for that matter...

I do think there is a SLIM possibility the killer did go back in Troy's and hoped a later fire would make LE and people even more so think it was the same perp, sending them off of "his" trail but I don't really buy that.

MORE likely the fire was to cause the homeless trouble or from a hatred of the homeless. Imo. Also possible is it was just someone setting fire intentionally just for the sheer purpose of a prank, causing an issue, because they like doing such, or teens even, etc.

Who knows. All I know is I am very hesitant to connect the murders and just don''t see it and I am almost as hesitant to connect Troy's murder with the later fire in that area together either. I can't even tie those two elements in his own case together.

I sure don't know lol but there's nothing to tie any of these things or murders that I can see.

I will say I don't see the murder and fire in Dave's case to be for profit by the property owner for instance. Most would just burn down their building and not kill someone in the process. To me it seems far more likely that Dave royally pi**ed someone off and angered them greatly.

Of course nothing is a for sure. This could have been some messed up bunch just out all drugged up etc. but unlikely I'd think to find his place unless they knew of it.

Quite honestly, I can't help wonder about drugs in both cases. No evidence we know of in either case but it's certainly often a motive or what created the problem, and so on.

Let me see, sex, love, money,, power, drugs, revenge, cover up/shut mouth... I think that covers most motives doesn't it?
 
Well I'd think the gun was likely stolen but as for a strong "suspect", I'm sorry, I misspoke, they said strong "persons of interest" (Oh, whichever, lol!) and it's plural.
Here's the news report. Unsolved So. Oregon: From the Ashes - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2
Btw, the officer says something like he's not sure why someone would return later to destroy evidence and I'm not sure why he says that (lol!) but I suggest that perhaps that's not the actual reason for the fire, therefore, why it doesn't seem to make any sense (lol). Seriously, what would be the evidence? And I want to reiterate that re the Lewis fire, I'm not convinced it was to destroy evidence. I mean, I know that that's usually the reason when there's also a murder but I wouldn't conclude that that's the reason in this particular case.
Maybe to burn what was left behind when the other campers left the area. I guess they didn't want to stay to be murdered as well. Then maybe someone set fire to the camp to get rid of rubbish etc and prevent them returning (talking about Troy's case here.)
 
Maybe to burn what was left behind when the other campers left the area. I guess they didn't want to stay to be murdered as well. Then maybe someone set fire to the camp to get rid of rubbish etc and prevent them returning (talking about Troy's case here.)
Could very well be. Was there any talk of accelerant used in this one or any detail on where or how it started or by torching what item even, etc. Is it KNOWN by LE to be arson. I mean I don't doubt some of the people staying there smoked various substances.
 
Could very well be. Was there any talk of accelerant used in this one or any detail on where or how it started or by torching what item even, etc. Is it KNOWN by LE to be arson. I mean I don't doubt some of the people staying there smoked various substances.
Wolverine guy was one of the other ones who camped there, I believe.
 
Wolverine guy was one of the other ones who camped there, I believe.
Yeah, they excluded him but I'd have to wonder how... They claim they have excluded no one but he was.

I also don't see how they got a DNA match unless he had a felony record. And so, he's a hard one to dismiss imo... And was there...
 
Not sure if this has been posted before but I watched the video in it and it is quite good as it recaps the Carney and Lewis crimes.

@Regina Is this the same one you posted?


I know I said not connected but LE think they are and seem to be holding something back IMO.
 
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I did a search to try and find other murders in or close to this area to see if there were any similar. These are some links I have come across. They are relating to Medford which is between Ashland and Central Point, four miles south of Central Point.

Not in any particular order.



 
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I also came across this Jackson County list of cold cases. There is a similar unsolved cabin arson and murder in 2007 on Table Rock Road. Dave and Troy are on here too but Dave Grubbs isn't, I wonder why that is not considered a cold case?


ROGER PAUL JOHANSEN​

Case #07-21639

December 10, 2007

Roger Johansen was found deceased in his burned up residence/business on Table Rock Road. He had sustained stab wounds prior to the fire.
 
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I also came across this Jackson County list of cold cases. There is a similar unsolved cabin arson and murder in 2007 on Table Rock Road. Dave and Troy are on here too but Dave Grubbs isn't, I wonder why that is not considered a cold case?


ROGER PAUL JOHANSEN​

Case #07-21639

December 10, 2007

Roger Johansen was found deceased in his burned up residence/business on Table Rock Road. He had sustained stab wounds prior to the fire.
David Lewis & Troy Carney's cases happened in the county and so are handled by Jackson County Sheriff's Office and David Grubbs case is handled by Ashland Police Department as his murder happened within the Ashland city limits.
 
David Lewis & Troy Carney's cases happened in the county and so are handled by Jackson County Sheriff's Office and David Grubbs case is handled by Ashland Police Department as his murder happened within the Ashland city limits.
Oh ok so it should be Ashland PD cold cases. I'll see if they have a list of cold cases we can review.

ETA I only found this that includes him. There is some new info in it that says he did not appear to have any defensive wounds and his money and wallet were still in his pocket.


5. David Michael Grubbs, Jackson County, 2011​

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On 11/19/2011, David Michael Grubbs was walking home from work on a popular Ashland bike path when he was brutally murdered. Police believe David had been deceased less than a half-hour before his body was found. Investigators also said Grubbs didn't appear to have any defensive wounds, and that his wallet and money were left in his pocket.

One man, convicted murderer Christian Delaurentiis, remains a person of interest in the case. "We know that he was here. We know that at some point after David’s murder he left to go to the Portland area,” Ashland Police Chief Tighe O’Meara stated. Delaurentiis is now serving a life sentence at the Oregon State Penitentiary but won’t talk to police about the Grubbs case. Even so, nobody has ever been named an official suspect in David Michael Grubb’s murder.

Contact the Ashland Police Department at 541-552-2333 if you have any information regarding this case.
 
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Not sure if this has been posted before but I watched the video in it and it is quite good as it recaps the Carney and Lewis crimes.
@Regina Is this the same one you posted?


I know I said not connected but LE think they are and seem to be holding something back IMO.
Yeah, and to say I wasn't impressed with the reporting or the editing- the entire presentation- is putting it mildly.
Anyway, I didn't hear either officer say anything about a link or that the cases were linked and to my mind, similarities are one thing but they aren't links and they aren't connections.
Another thing, according to the reporter, the motive of the fire at the vacant cabin "isn't understood", which bothers me simply because the motive of the Lewis fire can't truly be understood either until the perp is known. I know it appears it was to cover-up the cause of the death but it looks to me like there was a retaliatory element to it and I think that could actually be the sole motive but my point is, I don't think it's right to assume the motive.
Last thing, according to the reporter, the vacant cabin fire was at around 4am and the Lewis fire was 3 hours later and so I'm curious as to her source of that info.
 
Yeah, they excluded him but I'd have to wonder how... They claim they have excluded no one but he was.

I also don't see how they got a DNA match unless he had a felony record. And so, he's a hard one to dismiss imo... And was there...
Remember, info was that LE had performed a "sweep" of the campers in the area just a couple of weeks prior to the murder and so I think he could have been known to them that way and it sort of seems to me like he may have still been in the area.
You know, it wasn't specific as to precisely where the mask was found, just "in the campground"... which is much like the fire having occurred "in the vicinity". :cautious:
 

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