DAVID "DAVE" EDWIN LEWIS: Murder & arson 13 miles east of Ashland, OR - 4 September 2008

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David "Dave" Lewis was a 46 year old father of three. A jack of all trades and good man in any camp, Dave was well known and well respected in his mountain community where he lived on the summit of Dead Indian Memorial Road, 13 miles east of Ashland, Jackson County, Oregon for more than 20 years.

David was found dead after a fire at his rural cabin at 12801 Dead Indian Memorial Road. He had been murdered, shot & the cabin set fire.

David's remains were identified by DNA. There was also ANOTHER FIRE near Dave's cabin that same night, at a vacant vacation cabin at 18196 Dead Indian Memorial Road, about 5-6 miles away.

Edited to add media link: Dave Lewis was found murdered in his rural cabin east of Ashland, Oregon in 2008. His murder remains UNSOLVED!
 

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The only thing I can think of is that if the land Dave lived on was coveted and if money was needed to buy it. Finally it was putchased, albeit in 2022, fourteen years later. RC has said that the inlaws owned other property in DIMR so perhaps @Red Clover can tell us what other property they owned. Maybe this bit that Dave lived on was a ransom strip or something for other land?

I don't see it as a motive for murder though. Simply because the land would cost her more to buy without Dave living there. And why involve Troy and kill him first? LE said the deaths are linked and I don't see the connection ATM.

Unless the land Troy camped on was coveted too.
Was it even for sale when Dave died? Can't buy something owners don't want to part with. Also recently she said the relative asked for only part of the money which is interesting... I do think it could relate to the property though depending on other facts. I'd think Dave himself would want it but maybe he couldn't afford it on his own or did not have enough downpayment or good credit. Maybe relative wanted it too. Maybe a joint purchase was suggested? Or purchase by relative but relative wanted total control/ownership in exchange for his money and being able to stay there. And in the end Dave did not want to be in on it with this relative. Just thoughts.

I honestly don't see the relative for this murder. It just isn't there for me. Hardly even a little bit there.
 
I find the amount of plottingi ti takes for the relative to be the one pretty far fetched, sorry to say. A similar thing crossed my mind that the firewood job person killed Troy when he refused the job and said his mom was sending him money (if he did refuse and/or say that) but I dismissed it and I never went so far as tot thinking it was the relative setting such up. You said yourself the firewood thing was not something Dave did to speak of as far as delivering or selling to others so I really don't get this thought.

When too many things need excuses or explanations that's when they fall apart for me. I don't know if you realize it but that's what the relative takes. Motive for one. Driving in the dark, knowing back roads and local roads. Encountering Troy in a totally different area. Setting him up. Killing him. Going back to do another fire far later. It's just really far fetched imo and I just touched on a couple of the things. Pulling of welding tanks and strewing things around. Bringing an accelerant or using one. Tying him up. Finding Troy and killing him point blank. Driving from another state. Just all of it.

Did the relative kill their mom too to get money? It's a long stretch from a kid who is always asking for money to someone who kills their own parents or siblings and in this case nets no money from it. Apparently the relative has enough money to travel at the drop of a hat though, twice at least for some days.

So apparently the fact the inlaws had money or property didn't mean this couple did. Hard to tell if the relative needed money or just wanted money. What did either do for a living? Relative or spouse? Kids?

I have to tell you other than Dave said to you the person asked for his money from the mother and his saying he expected the relative to show up, I don't see a single reason in this case the relative would even come onto anyone's radar including LE's.

I have a relative who has constantly gotten money out of my mother for years on end. And the RARE time my mother put her foot down, she'd go to some other relative. I know the type. And if my mom said no, that relative yes was likely to show up on her doorstep. Bringing a gift most likely or lunch or some such... In broad daylight. And even if told no then might then turn it to somewhat confronational or a tantrum and storming out. But do I think that relative would show up in the middle of the night and kill, torture, pour accelerant on and burn the home down??? NO. NOT for a minute. Does the same relative have some issues and in a case like this would that relative be in the thick of it and saying this and that and what it could be and even maybe be somewhat inappropriate? Yes. This is all this sounds like to me. I don't see any basis for it quite honestly.

There's what Dave said to you and some actions and comments that seem to be some smoke if one wants to take it that way but there is not a single thing or reason really pointing to this relative as far as I can see.

Of course nothing points strongly enough to anyone I guess since LE shares nothing but I truly think the relative thought is the least likely and probably no real reason to even have it on radar.

I'm not trying to diss it or you or argue or anything, I'm just not seeing it or how far you can make it work with adding in them setting up Troy. I honestly think that's pretty out there.
I have been reading through this thread. @Red Clover has laid out a lot of information to look through and form our own opinions. It is based on their experiences with people involved. I see no point in dismissing those experiences, even in disagreement. We can formulate our own theories. I’m trying to piece things together. Now, I’m not sure how the 2 cases are related, other than the arsons. There may be other things, but, unfortunately, very little information has been released by LE. From what I know, there was no personal connection between Dave and Troy. Whoever killed Dave would have to be familiar with the area in order to be driving those roads late at night. It would help whoever leave the general area. Possibly someone living up there. Or someone who spent time in the Hyatt Lake/Dead Indian Memorial Road area. Not easy to navigate. I think there are statistics on family violence that support the idea that money is a known motive. I’ve heard some about that previously and will try and post links on that later. Not everyone will react by killing a someone/sibling over money, but it is not far-fetched.
 
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It's lucrative burning down old cabins.


This is the sale and valuation for the other property that burnt down that night just a few minutes drive from Dave's address.

Last sold in 2021 for $240k

Sale price 2004 $89k


From the link

Price History for 18196 Dead Indian Memorial Rd

Event DetailsPrice
01/29/2021
Sold

N/A
$240K
11/21/2018
ListingRemoved

Agent Provided
$250K
11/02/2018
PriceChange

Agent Provided
$250K
10/09/2018
PriceChange

Agent Provided
$285K
06/06/2018
Listed For Sale

Agent Provided
$300K
08/09/2004
Sold

N/A

Property Taxes and Assessment​

Year2022
Tax$1,832
Assessment$208,720
$89K

Property Taxes and Assessment

Year​
202
Tax​
$1,
Assessment​
$20
 
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Was it even for sale when Dave died? Can't buy something owners don't want to part with. Also recently she said the relative asked for only part of the money which is interesting... I do think it could relate to the property though depending on other facts. I'd think Dave himself would want it but maybe he couldn't afford it on his own or did not have enough downpayment or good credit. Maybe relative wanted it too. Maybe a joint purchase was suggested? Or purchase by relative but relative wanted total control/ownership in exchange for his money and being able to stay there. And in the end Dave did not want to be in on it with this relative. Just thoughts.

I honestly don't see the relative for this murder. It just isn't there for me. Hardly even a little bit there.
I agree, however I am not yet convinced that the cabins were not burned down for gain at the end of the day. And we can see they both sold in 2021 and 2022.

Also, regarding Troy, I am going to look into the land that he was camping on and find out what is there now. If anyone has already done that, please post anything you found out on his thread TIA.
 
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Dave told me she asked him for part of his inheritance and when he told her no he was still expecting her to just show up to confront him and get her way- she needed or wanted the money. It's fairly straightforward.

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Why would they still be asking for money? 💰

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I also think it's unlikely they were actually seen together

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Not that I am aware of

No, he had left at least a few days beforehand

Yes, you could post questions about Troy on Troy's thread. His mom will be more likely to see the comments about her son's case there.

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I don't know what the families have asked for but I emailed the DA last week.

I have asked that new technology be considered

Troy had a phone, that's how he communicated with his mom.

He would sit inside the Pilot and speak with his mom or grandma or whoever (it's 99-100 degrees F in late summer here)

His mom tried calling him starting around 6:00 pacific time on September 2 2008 and continued calling until she was contacted by JCSO. At some point LW called his friend GG and asked if he knew anything, and from news reports that GG called the Sheriff's Office to see if the body found on the Bear Creek Greenway was Troy. It was.
LE called LW from the information found in Troy's phone- the missed calls.

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Troy's mom may be able to answer when and if she comes onto the thread 🧵

I have shared quite abit

I don't know the answer to these questions

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We don't know

Yes, I believe family members have

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If they refuse citing an ongoing investigation I'd have to laugh and then they should need to give evidence of how active they are on it and what new efforts they are making and that new info or evidence has been collected and i seriously doubt that's the case.

I agree, and my understanding is that the cold case link on the JCSO website is no longer there. So how active can it be?
 
He was at the Hyatt over Labor Day meaning all weekend per the VI?

And then he was on September 3rd after running errands in Ashland?

All not verified I get that.

The "friend" in the video I think @Tresir posted said he did not agree with what the resort was doing, felt it wrong or illegal, then the resort got red flagged (did he cause that?) and were to stop building and owners told him and others to build anyhow and he refused but his coworkers did not and it upset him greatly that his coworkers didn't align with him or something on that order. I am paraphrasing. When was that and was he still working there or receiving an income from them? Why would you still go there? Oh I get it is the closest bar and restaurant, etc. but this is some pretty big stuff. Was he paid in cash when he worked there and did he carry a bar tab? I'm serious. Did he deal in cash or reported income? I am looking for motive is my reason for asking.

You said he didn't suffer fools gladly. That remark kind of bothers me in that it just again gives an idea of a moral superiority or condescension or attitude. I'm not saying that to diss Dave but that knid of opinion or attitude could certainly rub others very wrong. And I also have to point out was he never foolish or make a foolish decision. We learned of time in the federal pen, a string of what was it assaults and domestics on the dissolution of his marriage, an acrimonious divorce (I had one so believe me I don't judge) and beating up a sex offender and doing time over that! It doesn't go over well when some think they know what is right and wrong and tell others what they are doing wrong when their own life isn't a great example. And that's WITHOUT if you are whistleblowing or trying to get someone to stop what you don['t like. All I am saying is it paints a picture of a man who could easily create a lot of enemies for himself.

I'm sure he was awesome with a lot of great traits but someone killed him and it seems to be someone/s who was very angry. Of course it could have been over cash or drugs, who knows.

I think the resort thing is more likely than the relative I'm sorry to say. Yet I also think it could be neither and he pi**ed off someone on a different level, another bar patron, a husband, a former coworker, I don't know.

The relatie from what you''ve said, or the VI, I get them confused yeah I guess has said some things and not all make sense or seem questionable maybe. Like didn't you say he was at the Hyatt but then said the said Troy had been seen with someone that looked like Dave? Which is it?

I don't know but what I do know is the more learned, the less clear cut this is. I'm also not sure why you dismiss the resort thing so easily. Or money, power and the area you yourself say is so gorgeous and valuable.

Although I'd more often lean towards something being "close to home" or someone "closer to him" but I don't mean someone from out of state. He pi*sed off the wrong person or people it seems to me.

Of course I'm not sold on anything yet. I also feel if his and Troy's murders are connected in any way it is in no outright or obvious way. I'm not even convinced that's the truth.

With all due respect, the firewood and Pilot theory is less crazy than all the things you think this relative did including torching Troy's campsite two weeks later even if it was the same day as a memorial. I am finding that all pretty hard to believe. There's no benefit.

I've ruled nothing out though of course and no offense intended.

But I tend to think if this relative has no alibi and could be shown to have been in that area and more, this case would have been a lot more heated up and that would be one red hot lead, and that's never been the case.

Sorry, just where I'm at at the moment. I think it was someone local and someone he dealt with or encountered in his daily life or a connection to such.
Based on my reading the information posted, I think the firewood and Pilot theories are what’s far fetched. Troy’s mother, LW, said that he turned down the firewood job because she was wiring him $100 for a bus ticket. The Pilot is the Greyhound stop, by the way. As for the Pilot theory, there is absolutely no evidence that Dave knew Troy, or had interaction with him. That idea came from the VI on WS. It doesn’t appear that LE saw this as credible. One of the hardest things here is the fire destroyed potential evidence at Dave’s cabin, and LE being so tight lipped about the investigation. Might be helpful for some fresh eyes to look at things.
 
I agree, however I am not yet convinced that the cabins were not burned down for gain at the end of the day. And we can see they both sold in 2021 and 2022.

Also, regarding Troy, I am going to look into the land that he was camping on and find out what is there now. If anyone has already done that, please post anything you found out on his thread TIA.
It's a publicly owned greenway that runs through the valley along Bear Creek.

 
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It's a publicly owned greenway that runs through the valley along Bear Creek.


Not any more it isn't - the city purchased it. I posted this on Troy's thread too. They had trouble with more fires in recent years.
 

Not any more it isn't - the city purchased it. I posted this on Troy's thread too. They had trouble with more fires in recent years.
The BCG runs from Central Point to Ashland. Central Point bought some acreage within the existing greenway.
I live here. I can walk or ride a bicycle anywhere along the greenway.
 
Based on my reading the information posted, I think the firewood and Pilot theories are what’s far fetched. Troy’s mother, LW, said that he turned down the firewood job because she was wiring him $100 for a bus ticket. The Pilot is the Greyhound stop, by the way. As for the Pilot theory, there is absolutely no evidence that Dave knew Troy, or had interaction with him. That idea came from the VI on WS. It doesn’t appear that LE saw this as credible. One of the hardest things here is the fire destroyed potential evidence at Dave’s cabin, and LE being so tight lipped about the investigation. Might be helpful for some fresh eyes to look at things.
I'm not ruling any theory out yet. The fact they were both shot and arson was involved, albeit at a later date with Troy's camp area, within days of each other links them. LE says there is a link too but won't reveal it for fear of jeopardizing the investigation. LOL. We are fresh eyes looking at it but I think you mean LE right? I agree they need to look at both cases again.
 
The BCG runs from Central Point to Ashland. Central Point bought some acreage within the existing greenway.
I live here. I can walk or ride a bicycle anywhere along the greenway.
We are only concerned with the area he was camping, near the Pilot Center not the whole Greenway though. That 50 acres area has been bought by the city and is not publically owned any more. I am not sure the rest is publically owned anyway. It is a 501 approved organisation according to their website and accepts donations that donors can claim tax relief for. So it is owned by private companies right?
 
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The BCG runs from Central Point to Ashland. Central Point bought some acreage within the existing greenway.
I live here. I can walk or ride a bicycle anywhere along the greenway.
Yes, maybe you can but that doesn't mean it is publically owned.
We are only concerned with the area he was camping, near the Pilot Center not the whole Greenway though. That 50 acres area has been bought by the city and is not publically owned any more. I am not sure the rest is publically owned anyway. It is a 501 approved organisation according to their website and accepts donations that donors can claim tax relief for. So it is owned by private pension companies right?
A 501c3 is a non profit organization which is indeed indicated in the first link I shared.
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Are you trying to make a case that because the City of Central Point bought some acres to make into a public park that someone benefited (private pension companies??) enough to have killed Troy 15.5 years ago? 💰

I am telling you that the Bear Creek Greenway is a public space, a bikepath that stretches over 18 miles between Ashland & Central Point.

It may be managed and maintained by a 501c3 non profit foundation but that doesn't mean anyone is making money. The organization exists to maintain public access to this greenway. It started when I was a kid. ✌️
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Another link I forget which one said he was causing stress on the relationship of the couple he was staying with, not that he was uncomfortable there.

So he probably came to "town" thinking he could stay with friends and it didn't work out and there wasn't a lot of work and so he had nowhere to stay and wanted to move on is the picture I get. His mom seemed in a hurry to get him out because why not let him do the firewood delivery job first before wiring bus ticket money? I guess my point is was something wrong that was known about? I just get the impression of a rush and concern and she was calling him steady too.
I did, too, and I wondered the same thing, I mean, was there wrong about the firewood delivery job?
 

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