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Jeffrey Epstein Confidante Ghislaine Maxwell Arrested on Sex Abuse Charges

Ghislaine Maxwell, the British socialite and heiress who became a confidante of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein and was later implicated in his alleged sexual crimes, has been arrested by the FBI. She was arrested in Bradford, New Hampshire, around 8:30 a.m. Thursday on charges she conspired...

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[Tresir]

Clearly they don't think any media will be following it. This guy is shot hot with his tweeting. He does deserve a Pulitzer nomination. Of course no hacks will be following this let alone reporting on it.

I am copying that tweet into this post in case it gets deleted. Hope that is ok. (I usually do that but only linked to it this time.)

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Maxwell's lawyer Everdell: here it says "between the US and a foreign country." That should be out. AUSA: Fine. [Note: Now it's Menninger huddling in the corner with Ghislaine Maxwell, who is speaking with her hands - whispering through mask but gesticulating]

Everdell: In the title, we'd like to change minor to person under 18. AUSA: The indictment says "minor." But we are not seeking to send the indictment back with the jury. Judge Nathan: So you are in vigorous agreement.
[Laughter among lawyers.]

(My comment- So the jury does not see the original indictment at all)

 

[Tresir]

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Judge Nathan: So we're taking Kate out of the overt acts. And, let's take a break. [This one is not for the jury - they're not here today] Interim podcast coming - watch this feed.

Maxell's lawyer Bobbi Sternheim jumps in and gets a change. By contrast AUSA Lara Pomerantz passes a note to AUSA Maurene Comey, who reads it and passes it on to AUSA Rohrback, who's doing the speaking. He says, We're OK to cut "including at times Maxwell."

Everdell: With respect to Jane, we want to use the word "alleges." And here, we'd like you to simply eliminate the reference to age. AUSA: We can remove age, let the jury decide Annie's age. Everdell: We preserve our objection with respect to the topless massage.

 

[RoundPeg]

How is this happening?

 

[Tresir]

I don't know where this will end up. Maybe just charges of sexual abuse? I really do not know or follow this at all.
Am sitting in the kitchen cooking our evening meal following this tweeting in disbelief.

 

[Tresir]

AUSA Rohrback: We don't want in closing the argument about the empty chair and why the government is prosecuting. Everdell: Let's turn to the verdict sheet. Take out the word minor, put in "individuals under the age of 17." Judge Nathan: OK.

Everdell: We want the instruction that US but not the defense can offer immunity. One of our witnesses said they would invoke the Fifth. AUSA: Virginia Robert could have been called by the defense -- Defense: I'm not referring to her. I'm referring to Sarah Kellen

AUSA: We're not aware of this instruction being given in this District. Judge Nathan: I haven't given that instruction. Everdell: Maybe on cooperators? Judge Nathan: Looks like I have give it as a separate instruction, in US v. Berry [Inner City Press also covered

(My comment - by "empty chair" do they mean Epstein? )

 

[Tresir]

(I think this is all of the tweeting now. Sorry if any dupes.)

AUSA: We have one nit. Where it's supposed to be, Mark your verdict with a check mark, you actually use a "T" in parenthesis. Judge Nathan (laughs) I don't know how that got in there. We'll fix it. Judge Nathan: This should be a two hour closing.
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AUSA Comey: But we have exhibits. So two and a half. Judge Nathan: Can you do thirty for the rebuttal? AUSA Comey: I'd ask for the court's indulgence for more Judge Nathan: Thirty five minutes. [So 5 hours and 35 minutes and the charge, short lunch, Judge says]
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Judge Nathan: The charge is 80 pages. My favorite part of the job, reading the charge (laughs). It should take an hour. [So 6 hours and 35 minutes, plus breaks and lunch - can fit between 9 am and 6 pm, on Monday. #MaximumMaxwell

 

[kdg411]

I don't understand why (how) the charging document verbiage can be manipulated after the jurors have already heard testimony. This doesn't fit with any pattern jury criminal instructions that I've ever been privy to. I do wish we had a lawyer available to help explain some of this.

 

[Tresir]

I don't understand why (how) the charging document verbiage can be manipulated after the jurors have already heard testimony. This doesn't fit with any pattern jury criminal instructions that I've ever been privy to. I do wish we had a lawyer available to help explain some of this.

I have only one answer why it is like this. It's a fit-up. They know they don't have the evidence for the indictment so they are amending the charges to fit the evidence that has been heard. I just cannot believe my eyes reading it. My opinion only however as a layman.

This judge has just been promoted and had a job interview during the trial. The reason for the hiatus early in the week. Just saying.

 

[Tresir]

I will make a prediction she will be out by Christmas, innocent or guilty. If guilty she will get time served as a sentence. Happy 60th Birthday Ghislaine and go home with your relatives for Christmas.

I will make another prediction. This judge may not accept her new position. My opinion, just saying.

 

[kdg411]

I will make a prediction she will be out by Christmas, innocent or guilty. If guilty she will get time served as a sentence. Happy 60th Birthday Ghislaine and go home with your relatives for Christmas.

at this rate I'm reluctant to agree however if we are this confused can you imagine being on the jury?

 

[Tresir]

at this rate I'm reluctant to agree however if we are this confused can you imagine being on the jury?

The jury won't know any different because they haven't seen the indictment right? They have only heard the evidence from the witnesses/victims. They will get to see the "charge" sheet with instructions to put tick marks against what they decide has been proved. They were already told that Kate and Annie were not in jurisdictions where they were under age so will only look at the evidence regarding Jane and Carolyn I guess and fill the form out for the relevant charges as read by Judge Nathan (80 pages????). I would like to see the amended charge sheet. Perhaps that will be issued before Monday.

 

[Tresir]

Here is the whole of it in the article in this tweet. They additionally mention that Carolyn is a felon and there are some rules regarding testimony of felons in this article. Also the tweet replies are interesting.

 

[Tresir]

Ghislaine Maxwell to call on London pub landlord, 81, in grooming case

Kevin Moran, 81, pulls the pints at The Nag's Head pub in London's exclusive Belgravia district which is located opposite to the home where Ghislaine Maxwell used to live.

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(You heard 1997 from me first yesterday)

"Mr Moran's relationship with Maxwell has not yet been confirmed, but he is understood to be a key witness that will be called forward by defence lawyers during her trial.

Christian Everdell said that the legal team had planned to call the landlord in order to confirm Maxwell did not live at the Belgravia property until 1997."

 

[kdg411]

Here is the whole of it in the article in this tweet. They additionally mention that Carolyn is a felon and there are some rules regarding testimony of felons in this article. Also the tweet replies are interesting.

So, Sarah Kellen was going to plead the 5th? Did I read that right?

Everdell: We want the instruction that US but not the defense can offer immunity. One of our witnesses said they would invoke the Fifth. AUSA: Virginia Robert could have been called by the defense -- Defense: I'm not referring to her. I'm referring to Sarah Kellen

 

[Tresir]

So, Sarah Kellen was going to plead the 5th? Did I read that right?

Everdell: We want the instruction that US but not the defense can offer immunity. One of our witnesses said they would invoke the Fifth. AUSA: Virginia Robert could have been called by the defense -- Defense: I'm not referring to her. I'm referring to Sarah Kellen

Yes I think that is right and probably she was one of the three who wanted anonymity. Is she the one who is hiding in Italy?

So Carolyn is a felon and was procured by Roberts not Maxwell, Kate and Annie are not victims and Jane's testimony depends on the Broadway production of the Lion King being in 1997, making her 17 at the time, not 14. She definitely would have been attending school in NY at that time.

 

[kdg411]

Yes I think that is right and probably she was one of the three who wanted anonymity. Is she the one who is hiding in Italy?

So Carolyn is a felon and was procured by Roberts not Maxwell, Kate and Annie are not victims and Jane's testimony depends on the Broadway production of the Lion King being in 1997, making her 17 at the time, not 14. She definitely would have been attending school in NY at that time.

I didn't know anyone was hiding in Italy. I believe Kellen was one of the names in the 2008 NDA. *I think.

 

[kdg411]

Yes I think that is right and probably she was one of the three who wanted anonymity. Is she the one who is hiding in Italy?

So Carolyn is a felon and was procured by Roberts not Maxwell, Kate and Annie are not victims and Jane's testimony depends on the Broadway production of the Lion King being in 1997, making her 17 at the time, not 14. She definitely would have been attending school in NY at that time.

Correct, Carolyn has a felony record.

AUSA: Did you later pawn an X-Box that wasn't yours? Carolyn: I did. I did jail time.

In Maxwell Trial, Survivor Carolyn Cites Ghislaine Paying Her $300 For Sex With Epstein at 14

Maxwell's lawyer Pagliuca blurted out the survivor's last name and the Government and Court said nothing; then he blamed the pimping on Virginia Roberts Giuffre. #MaximumMaxwell

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I don't know now what's been proven true or not.

 

[Tresir]

 

[kdg411]

What does it really matter if Carolyn was convicted 15-20 years ago for theft. She did her time, right?

 

[Tresir]

What does it really matter if Carolyn was convicted 15-20 years ago for theft. She did her time, right?

It is a jury instruction that, for example, if you have conflicting testimonies, (eg. testimony of a felon versus the testimony of a non felon), as a juror you can give more weight to the non felon testimony when coming to a decision. Felons are less trustworthy, presumably and maybe more likely to lie.

Witnesses Carolyn and her boyfriend were both felons.

After the conference, AUSA Maurene Comey wrote to Judge Nathan to make two points: that the felony convictions of Carolyn and her ex-boyfriend Shawn should not be highlighted, and nor should the issue of the defense not calling witnesses like Epstein helper Sarah Kellen because the defense can't offer immunity. Fullletter on Patreon here.

After Maxwell Trial Charging Conference AUSA Comey Writes on Felony of Survivor Carolyn, Quiet on Kellen

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