Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here. :(

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
 
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:thinking: Kohberger used a knife.

homer simpson doh GIF
 

Published Feb 01, 2024 at 5:51 AM EST
By Aliss Higham

Bryan Kohberger's lawyers have requested that the venue for his trial be changed

Kohberger lawyer Anne Taylor has requested a change of venue for his trial, citing "extensive, inflammatory pretrial publicity" that could damage the defendant's chances of a fair trial. A request filed with the court on January 31, claims "a fair and impartial jury cannot be found in Latah County" due to the area not having a "large enough population center to avoid bias in the community." Newsweek has contacted Taylor via email for comment.

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Where the trial will take place was previously discussed at a motions hearing on January 26. Latah County prosecutor Bill Thompson asked the judge to schedule the trial in summer when the University of Idaho will not be in session. Thompson also clarified that he did not believe a change of trial venue was necessary due to the ongoing national interest in the case.

"It's not Moscow. It's not Latah County. It's everywhere. So, I don't think that a change of venue is going to solve any of these problems," Thompson, who is leading the case against Kohberger, said at the pretrial hearing. "I have people, friends in this community who have traveled to Mexico. And they say, 'You're from Moscow?' And immediately, they want to talk about this case."

Thompson continued: "We at least owe Latah County, the people of Latah County, the attempt to seat a jury here first. And not just rely on, 'There's been a lot of publicity.' There's been a lot of publicity everywhere."
 
Bryan Kohberger's murder trial date could be set later this month
Bryan Kohberger, the man charged with first-degree murder in the deaths of four University of Idaho students, will be in court at 2 p.m. (MST) on Feb. 28.

Judge John Judge asked his lawyers to prepare to discuss dates for a trial, along with their motion for change of venue, a discovery cutoff deadline, expert disclosure deadlines and deadlines for filing any pre-trial motions.

The hearing will be open to the public and streaming on the court's YouTube page.

Motion hearing scheduled for Moscow murder suspect could determine trial start date​

The man accused of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death in Nov 2022 will appear in court for another motion hearing.

In this hearing, Judge John Judge is expected to schedule a trial date for 28-year-old Bryan Kohberger. During Kohberger's hearing on Jan. 26, Judge Judge said he would decide later. The prosecution argued to have the trial this summer, but Kohberger's defense wanted it pushed out to at least another year.

The family of one of the victims, Kaylee Goncalves, was visibly upset that a trial wasn't set, later taking to social media and saying, "we have no words."

The court will respond to his motion to clarify the disclosure of the investigative genetic genealogy material (IGG). They will also address granting certain members of Kohberger's defense team access to the investigative genetic genealogy material. https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sha...l&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=user-share
 

Moscow Police Chief announces retirement ahead of Bryan Kohberger quadruple murder trial​

James Fry, the Police Chief for the City of Moscow, announced his retirement this coming May before the trial of the accused University of Idaho quadruple murder suspect gets underway.

"It has been my honor to serve and protect the citizens of Moscow and to contribute to the law enforcement profession throughout my career. The Moscow Police Department has embodied the ethos that to whom much is given, much will be required, and we understand the trust that is placed in our officers in serving their community. I am confident that the culture, leadership, and personnel that we have developed within the Moscow Police Department will continue and the Department will remain the excellent example of professional law enforcement that it is today," said Fry.
 
How a DNA technique to pin Bryan Kohberger as Idaho murder suspect could shape case law
What if Bryan Kohberger, the man charged with the University of Idaho student stabbings, helped lead police right to him?

His own attorneys may raise the question — including at trial — in their efforts to defend him. Kohberger is accused of killing four U of I students in November 2022 in a case that continues to collect national intrigue.

By the end, it could create new case law for criminal investigations across the U.S., legal scholars told the Idaho Statesman.

Anne Taylor, Kohberger’s lead public defender, said she has repeatedly pored over law enforcement’s evidence summary to justify his arrest and still wants to know what led police to her client as the suspect.

“The clear picture that I’m concerned about is the state’s pathway of how Bryan Kohberger comes to their attention and is identified,” Taylor told the court at a hearing last month. “Over a year into this case and … we’re not sure. I know different pieces, but I don’t know where they fit together.”

Depending on the circumstances that come to light, it could be grounds for a constitutional rights challenge over the methods police used to find and charge Kohberger, his defense attorneys have said.

In a probable cause affidavit, police described using traditional investigative techniques to arrive at Kohberger as the suspected killer and close an almost seven-week manhunt that confoundingly ended on the other side of the country in eastern Pennsylvania. DNA evidence also factored for police to allege they had their suspect, but only after the other elements established through surveillance footage of the suspect’s car and Kohberger’s cellphone location data fell into place, according to the affidavit.

But six months after Kohberger’s December 2022 arrest, state prosecutors acknowledged for the first time that an advanced DNA technique known as investigative genetic genealogy, or IGG, initially led investigators to Kohberger. The process involves submitting DNA located at a crime scene to public genealogy websites to build a family tree related to possible suspects and narrow an investigation. Police made no mention of the FBI’s use of IGG in the affidavit.



In the court filing that revealed the FBI’s use of IGG, Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson argued that the state was not required to disclose the DNA technique. Prosecutors did not intend to introduce it at trial, he said, and it was irrelevant to Kohberger’s defense. Instead, they planned to present a comparison of DNA evidence police obtained from a swab of Kohberger’s cheek during his arrest against the knife sheath DNA, which showed a “statistical match,” Thompson said.

“The IGG process pointed law enforcement toward (Kohberger), but it did not provide law enforcement with substantive evidence of guilt,” Thompson wrote in the court filing. “The IGG information is not material to the preparation of the defense.”

For eight months, the two sides fought over the release of the IGG records to the defense through the legal process known as discovery. Judge John Judge of the 2nd Judicial District in Latah County, who is overseeing the Kohberger case, last month granted the defense at least some of the FBI’s records from the IGG process. What was turned over, and what may have been withheld, is unclear to the public because the documents were sealed.



The next battle between the attorneys on each side of the Kohberger case could be over whether the defense will be allowed to present IGG evidence to the jury at trial, Gurney told the Statesman by phone. IGG records have been introduced at trial a couple of times before, he said, but only when prosecutors chose to do so when they felt it beneficial to their case.

For instance, prosecutors have not publicly disclosed which genealogy websites police used to land on Kohberger — only that the FBI submitted the crime scene DNA to “one or more” of the publicly available services. Law enforcement primarily works with two lesser-known websites called GEDMatch and FamilyTreeDNA, but has at least in some past instances found ways to access DNA profiles on a more widely used platform with more users, Gurney and Roy said, and other IGG experts testified at an August hearing for Kohberger’s defense.

If the IGG records now in the defense’s possession divulge that FBI investigators conducted themselves in an improper way or violated expectations of privacy to get to Kohberger, it may help create legal openings for creating doubt about the evidence, they added.

“It’s a good tool, but the question is, does it violate civil rights?” said Greg Hampikian, a biology professor at Boise State University who heads the Idaho Innocence Project. “Some say that it’s just another technique, but this technique involves something more intimate than a body cavity search. It’s an every single cell in your body search.”


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So the F B I did improper things or could have and it may have violated civil rights. Innocence Project.

Well here is one for you @Cousin Dupree right up your alley.

Although you thougth all these "kids" were shot in a short period of time.

I am less than impressed with Ann Taylor and in the beginning expected to be impressed since it was said how good she is and all. I haven't seen it though. And I honestly (rare thing for me) expected to. I see a lot of the usual smoke and mirrors and b.s. and have since.

Let's just keep downsliding to where it will end, that no defendant should ever be charged and any possible future perp knows all techniques LE uses.

Okay.

We have been at for decades that they have to share ALL known and their case on either side (but please note the defense rarely is made to in return_).

Don't get me wrong. Criminals, some, are still idiots. They can know about Walmart cameras and head straight to Walmart for duct tape, zip ties and a shovel like an idiot.

I don't see and cannot imagine they violated BK's privacy whatsoever without any cause and if not, this is b.s.

I really feel for the parents in this one. At least those that it matters to to no end. I cannot IMAGINE just based on our thing something this HUGE and the b.s. they are going to watch and wait for e saw enough, is going to do to them.

Let'\s just entirely tie the hands of cops and feds forever from investigating at all. That is where it has been heading for a long time as well.

I don't know the answer here but the SHEATH had DNA. HIS car was seen repeatedly if they are narrowing a pool of that kind of car. On video. Probably the girls or one of had SM contacs or connection to him. Maybe when they narrowed in likelihoods they surveilled. So what? Pretty sure if I recall he traffic stop or two on the way cross country with dad he was considered the suspect by then? So WHAT?

My GOD let's just cut off cops and investigators and the feds at their knees to where they can't do anything while people yell why haven't they solved this?

I can't imagine how in any way Baby Brian's personal life, liberty, privacy or constitutional rights were violated here. Can't think of a single scenario where that is likely here in this case.

Ann Taylor also made a big deal of the GJ sh*t. To no avail. Good job Judge Judge.

Typical these days defense bluster and it needs to quit being fallen for. Was it the Os? Was it the Aryan Brotherhood that really did it when Audrii'\s goes on. In Brian's case I bet the INCELS did it or made him do it and it is the girls' fault as the rejected him didn't notice him or whatever.

Wow. There is just no end to the downslide.

Maybe he won't have to appear in court either like Adam Montgomery. By the time this one is tried, defendants will likely be allowed to stay at a resort with a beach and a pool while the trial they damended! goes on without them. Served pina coladas and lobster leisurely finding out at moments what is going on in their trial, and all paid for...

Does that sound far fetched? It isn't. Not many years ago many things would sound no way would that ever happen. But it is.

Murderers with LIFE sentences are being let out and so much more.

If one is someone that can remain in their little perfect bubble and care less when everything falls apart outside of that bubble well kudos to that type. That will work until one day something bursts that bubble.

Soooo.... To calm down.... The feds and Moscow did wrong? Okay. Nothing conspiratorial there by the defense that seems pretty far fetched... POOR BRIAN.
 
Contentious hearing in University of Idaho murder case features debate over trial date

The judge overseeing the murder trial of Bryan Kohberger, the man charged with killing four University of Idaho students in November 2022, once again failed to set a trial date Wednesday at a hearing in the case.

Attempts to pin down the trial’s start at the Latah County Courthouse hearing quickly turned contentious, with the defense team arguing that more time was needed than what prosecutors wanted to offer because of the “huge volume” of discovery evidence expected from the state.

Second District Judge John Judge and Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson wanted to set March 3, 2025, as the beginning of the trial, but Anne Taylor, Kohberger’s lead public defender, said that wasn’t feasible. She suggested the trial begin in June 2025.

“Not only do we have a huge volume of information, the way I’m getting it is completely disorganized,” Taylor said in court. “And it’s like if you wanted to play 52-card pickup with 100,000 decks of cards and throw them in the air, and I have to go figure out how to put them together.”

The law requires both sides to turn over evidence or relevant information that could be used in trial through discovery, which is “designed to prevent a ‘trial by ambush,’ where one side doesn’t learn of the other side’s evidence or witnesses until the trial,” according to the American Bar Association.

Taylor said the prosecution has not been quick to provide her with the information she has requested. She cited a number of supposed instances, including that multiple discovery reports referred to X-rays taken, but when she asked for them, the prosecution told her they didn’t exist.

Thompson said at Wednesday’s proceeding that the prosecution has turned over “more than 95%” of discovery material to the defense.

Judge ultimately agreed to Taylor’s request that he not set a trial date until he decides whether or not to move the trial out of Latah County, a decision he said he hopes to make in May. Kohberger’s defense team made a motion for change of venue at a Jan. 31 hearing, making the claim that an impartial jury could not be found in the county where the killings occurred.

Judge set a hearing for change of venue arguments for 2:30 p.m. Mountain time on May 14 at the Latah County Courthouse.
 
A year is not enough, wow, I thought Taylor was allegedly good. All games. And this comes from the former Ms. and Mr. Speedy Trial Game Participants, Initiators of such.

I see the same in Delphi, the game played but now they could move for one but NO because of this and that.

There are victims' families that are devastated beyond belief and thrown into a world they did not expect nor do they know that get to watch it go on for years and years and even more.

They can't have a tiral in this one at some times due to the U being in sessoin and so on. Smh. Same U that demolished the home.

So that automatically makes trial dates lose a lot of the year of any year...

It isn't like let me tell you Idaho it will be that attended with people in town IF it can be streamed live.

I can give many examples of recent ones. Harmony's for instance. It was streamed live and the courtroom was never full or hotel rooms in town full or anything interfering in normal life in the twon. Yet many covered it. That's what streaming does.

It's a well known case in the crime community but it isn't that known to those taht watch nothing but cable news.
 

BY KEVIN FIXLER
UPDATED MARCH 12, 2024 7:04 PM

The Idaho Supreme Court on Tuesday denied a pretrial appeal from attorneys representing Bryan Kohberger, the man charged with killing four University of Idaho students.

The appeal stood to delay his murder trial further if granted. Kohberger’s public defenders had argued that a grand jury sat by prosecutors for the case improperly indicted their client on four counts of first-degree murder and one count of felony burglary.

They contended that Idaho law left open the idea that grand jurors must reach the higher legal standard of beyond a reasonable doubt — the same as at trial to convict a defendant — rather than the longstanding threshold of probable cause to indict. In the one-page Supreme Court ruling issued Tuesday afternoon, the justices offered no legal rationale for their denial of the motion to appeal from Kohberger’s attorneys.

The document was signed by Melanie Gagnepain, clerk of the Idaho Supreme Court. The appellate case is now closed, state courts spokesperson Nate Poppino told the Idaho Statesman.

The justices took just over a month to dismiss the appeal after Kohberger’s attorneys filed under seal in early February. Prosecutors opposed the appeal, also under seal, on Feb. 20.
 

BY KEVIN FIXLER
UPDATED MARCH 12, 2024 7:04 PM

The Idaho Supreme Court on Tuesday denied a pretrial appeal from attorneys representing Bryan Kohberger, te man charged with killing four University of Idaho students.

The appeal stood to delay his murder trial further if granted. Kohberger’s public defenders had argued that a grand jury sat by prosecutors for the case improperly indicted their client on four counts of first-degree murder and one count of felony burglary.

They contended that Idaho law left open the idea that grand jurors must reach the higher legal standard of beyond a reasonable doubt — the same as at trial to convict a defendant — rather than the longstanding threshold of probable cause to indict. In the one-page Supreme Court ruling issued Tuesday afternoon, the justices offered no legal rationale for their denial of the motion to appeal from Kohberger’s attorneys.

The document was signed by Melanie Gagnepain, clerk of the Idaho Supreme Court. The appellate case is now closed, state courts spokesperson Nate Poppino told the Idaho Statesman.

The justices took just over a month to dismiss the appeal after Kohberger’s attorneys filed under seal in early February. Prosecutors opposed the appeal, also under seal, on Feb. 20.
Another win this week for the side of justice.

Personally never understood BK's attorney's rationale but I suppose she thought she'd try a new one. Some lawyer can explain it hopefully. A GJ is not the verdict finding jury. They indict, they don't even do that, they recommend indictment don't they? But they indict, they don't convict, etc. Probable cause is the standard for indicting/charging a defendant and an action continuing, not reasonable doubt. Never did get her argument. She's now lost and they gave no reason for their decision but perhaps they don't have to as it never sounded like a legitimate argument/appeal anyhow. Beats me, I have no idea. I just know this is a win and the whole argument sounded lame to begin with but I sure don't know. Just happy for the win over something that seemed like a whole lot of nothingness/bluster/a show/a delay.
 

BY KEVIN FIXLER
UPDATED MARCH 12, 2024 7:04 PM

The Idaho Supreme Court on Tuesday denied a pretrial appeal from attorneys representing Bryan Kohberger, the man charged with killing four University of Idaho students.

The appeal stood to delay his murder trial further if granted. Kohberger’s public defenders had argued that a grand jury sat by prosecutors for the case improperly indicted their client on four counts of first-degree murder and one count of felony burglary.

They contended that Idaho law left open the idea that grand jurors must reach the higher legal standard of beyond a reasonable doubt — the same as at trial to convict a defendant — rather than the longstanding threshold of probable cause to indict. In the one-page Supreme Court ruling issued Tuesday afternoon, the justices offered no legal rationale for their denial of the motion to appeal from Kohberger’s attorneys.

The document was signed by Melanie Gagnepain, clerk of the Idaho Supreme Court. The appellate case is now closed, state courts spokesperson Nate Poppino told the Idaho Statesman.

The justices took just over a month to dismiss the appeal after Kohberger’s attorneys filed under seal in early February. Prosecutors opposed the appeal, also under seal, on Feb. 20.
Kohberger is sitting in that jail cell figuring out whatever he can. He is very learned and he’ll come up with any idea he can come up with that has worked for someone else in the past.
 
Kohberger is sitting in that jail cell figuring out whatever he can. He is very learned and he’ll come up with any idea he can come up with that has worked for someone else in the past.

Yeah, leaving his DNA at the scene isn't going to help him. The tracking of his car, isn't going to help him.
 

Idaho murders: Kohberger defense reaching out to potential jurors with 'survey' before judge banned contact​

Story by Michael Ruiz
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Bryan Kohberger's defense team is crying foul after a judge ordered both sides in the Idaho student murders case to stay away from potential jurors ahead of a change-of-venue hearing that could move the upcoming trial out of Latah County, where the slayings happened.

"The late Friday afternoon filing was a strategic action by the State," defense attorney Anne Taylor wrote in a motion to rescind Judge John Judge's ban.

She argued that a survey the defense was conducting on potential jurors met the legal standards warranted in a potential death penalty case.

Taylor is arguing that because the order came before a hearing on the issue, the suspected quadruple murderer's 14th Amendment rights to due process were violated.

"Both parties are prohibited from contacting potential jurors about this case, including via third parties, until further order of this Court," Judge John Judge wrote in a short order March 22 made public Monday evening. "A hearing on this issue will be held as soon as practicable."

David Gelman, a New Jersey-based defense attorney and former prosecutor who has been following the case, said the survey in dispute is part of the defense's effort to prepare for a change-of-venue hearing.

"In order to gather sufficient evidence to support their application, the defense retained an expert who ‘sampled’ the potential juror pool to assess potential bias in Latah County," he told Fox News Digital. "This was done by way of a telephone survey of 400 residents."

Taylor's office hired a social psychologist named Bryan Edelman to conduct the polling. In her filing, Taylor conceded "many" of Edelman's questions about "media influence" are "NOT factually correct."

But Edelman wrote in a signed declaration that none of the questions "included any information that was not widely reported and available in the public domain."

Latah County Prosecuting Attorney Bill Thompson took issue with the questions, which have not been made public, and asked the judge to halt the survey last week in a motion filed under seal.

According to the filings, Thompson accused the defense of violating a sealed court order regarding the survey by discussing case specifics and by disclosing information that would be inadmissible at trial.

The judge agreed, but Taylor is asking him to rescind the order so that the surveys can resume ahead of a hearing on the issue.
 
So she is pooling jurors but concedes her consultant's questions are not factually correct. In my nonexpert opinion this is the defense tainting and influencing the jury pool.

She per prosecution violated a sealed court order although her socialllll psychologist said all info was widely reported that he put in such questions. However, let's recall she also said it was not factually correct!

Sounds like more defense B.S. to me.

I have to shake my head when some are rated as great defense attorneys by others, I heard she was early on in this case. I guess if you don't think there should be any ethics, law or standards, then perhaps they could be called that. I don't see it at all in several cases. This one, Delphi, and Morphew. I see the defenses in all (and I could name a few others) as doing dirty to win or affect the public and in this case the jury pool.

Thank you for the update!
 
Have to leave soon and just ran into this. Haven't watched and won't get to til later if at all but sounds interesting. Says defense atty went behind their backs, etc.

 

Published Apr 05, 2024 at 9:29 AM EDT
By Matthew Impelli

Prosecutors in Bryan Kohberger's Idaho murder case said this week that they found a "game changer" audio recording that related to possible jurors in the case.

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On Thursday, Kohberger appeared in court for a hearing relating to a survey conducted among possible jurors by his defense team. According to The Lewiston Tribune, Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson spoke about the surveys and said that his team received information about them from police, including a "game changer" audio recording about what was asked during the survey.

Thompson said during the hearing that the survey questions violated gag orders in the case and possible jurors were "injected" with information, The Lewiston Tribune reported.

"This survey cannot stand," Thompson added.

The hearing on Thursday comes just a few days after Kohberger's attorney, Anne Taylor, filed a document in court alleging that the survey results showed that possible jurors in Latah County are "biased."

"Mr. Kohberger's life and liberty are at stake. This is a capital case and he is entitled to be heard on motions pending before this Court. Halting preparations for his Motion for Change of Venue denies his constitutional right to a fair trial. The survey work is complete for Latah County and it shows that the jury pool in Latah County is biased," Taylor wrote earlier this week in the filing. "The State's action that resulted in the cessation of the surveys prevents other county comparisons."

Judge responded to the polling conducted by Taylor on Thursday and said it "was a total shock" to him.

"Because this is a big deal, and I take it very, very seriously. And I was surprised, OK, that this was happening behind our backs—my back," he said.
 

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