GEORGE FLOYD: Man killed, 4 Minneapolis Officers Fired - MN vs Derek Chauvin *GUILTY*

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(CNN)Four Minneapolis police officers have been fired for their involvement in the death of a black man who was held down with a knee as he protested that he couldn't breathe, officials said Tuesday.

The FBI is investigating the incident, which drew widespread condemnation of the officers after a video showing part of the encounter circulated on social media.
 
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Are there any people of color on here? Being behind an anonymous screen name it's hard to know. Because I'm sensing that I'm seeing a lot of white opinions on how people of color are responding to being hurt. If you are not a POC, you do NOT understand. And we have no right to tell them how to respond.

I had a student a few years back who lost his mother to cancer very quickly. He told me the thing that would make him the most upset was his friends saying, "Yeah, I've lost my grandma, I get it," or "Yeah, my uncle died last year, I understand." It took everything in him to not fly off the handle at them and say NO, you have NOT lost your mother, you do NOT understand.

Listen, I'm NOT advocating for violence or destruction. But the only thing white people (including myself) should be doing is supporting people of color, listening to them, and advocating for them. It's NOT enough that the officer was charged. The entire system needs to change. Shitty people are going to take advantage of the chaos. For the most part, it is NOT the protesters doing the looting, vandalism, etc. But to think that a group of people vandalizing negates the whole movement and the whole purpose? Come on. Find a way to support the majority of the people who are not doing that if it bothers you so much.

LISTEN TO POC! Listen, and really HEAR them. Stop assuming you know what's happening or what they're thinking or going through.

(This post is not directed at anyone in particular, but seriously, all of us who are non-POC need to stop and think about our reaction to everything that's happening and consider the lens through which you see the world. I'm really not trying to ruffle any feathers, but I just had to get it off my chest.)

Re-sharing part of this link that I shared before. (More at link and in OP)
1) “Rioting never solves anything!”

This country was founded on rioting (and looting). The colonists didn’t politely ask to be independent — they started a war. Gays threw a brick. Black people rioted all over this country. Please let go of that falsehood and pick up a history book.

2) “Rioting just gives people a reason not to support your cause.”

Only if you equate property damage to human lives, and in that case, were you really supporting our cause anyway? If all it takes is people stealing from Target for you to say “well…now I don’t care about dead Black people” then why are we even speaking?

3) “The rioters are criminals and they don’t even care about police brutality stuff.”

There are criminals among us in every group, whether peaceful or violent, but the reasons riots break out are varied and complicated. Look at the pictures of Minneapolis before anyone ever threw a rock or started a fire or stole anything — the police firing rubber bullets and cans of tear gas into crowds of people who WERE peacefully protesting. What do you do when you’re frustrated and upset and no one is listening to you? Better yet, what do you do when they’re not only refusing to listen but actively trying to cause you physical harm to shut you up? Do you go home, stand there peacefully, or get mad and try to hurt them back? Does it really matter who you hurt at that point? Would you try to hurt someone in full tactical gear holding a weapon or would you try to hurt something like a multi-billion dollar business with insurance that probably contributed to the decimation of Mom & Pops in your community? Do you want to actually DIE in that moment or are you just upset and frustrated and at your breaking point and you want to smash something?

4) “Being frustrated is no reason to be violent.”

Everybody reacts to stress differently. I have no desire to riot. That’s not how my frustration at the world takes root. It doesn’t manifest itself as a roiling mass of energy that needs to be released, but I can understand how it could in others.

 
Are there any people of color on here? Being behind an anonymous screen name it's hard to know. Because I'm sensing that I'm seeing a lot of white opinions on how people of color are responding to being hurt. If you are not a POC, you do NOT understand. And we have no right to tell them how to respond.

I had a student a few years back who lost his mother to cancer very quickly. He told me the thing that would make him the most upset was his friends saying, "Yeah, I've lost my grandma, I get it," or "Yeah, my uncle died last year, I understand." It took everything in him to not fly off the handle at them and say NO, you have NOT lost your mother, you do NOT understand.

Listen, I'm NOT advocating for violence or destruction. But the only thing white people (including myself) should be doing is supporting people of color, listening to them, and advocating for them. It's NOT enough that the officer was charged. The entire system needs to change. Shitty people are going to take advantage of the chaos. For the most part, it is NOT the protesters doing the looting, vandalism, etc. But to think that a group of people vandalizing negates the whole movement and the whole purpose? Come on. Find a way to support the majority of the people who are not doing that if it bothers you so much.

LISTEN TO POC! Listen, and really HEAR them. Stop assuming you know what's happening or what they're thinking or going through.

(This post is not directed at anyone in particular, but seriously, all of us who are non-POC need to stop and think about our reaction to everything that's happening and consider the lens through which you see the world. I'm really not trying to ruffle any feathers, but I just had to get it off my chest.)

Re-sharing part of this link that I shared before. (More at link and in OP)
I may be one that comes across like that but in no way do I think all of these things. I have said to people many times including my own children how much harder it has to be on those that are born black, for instance, and even then, I would never pretend to know just how bad it has been on someone or can be. Even so, I do believe the looting and vandalizing help nothing and in fact, hinder much, it has not only been that, there have also been more deaths, how is killing someone any better than what these officers did? Also, I in no way know nor think all of the people doing these things are black so that is not the case either.

Comparing not understanding it to the death of a grandparent versus a parent, etc. is true, no one knows who does not live it nor go through it. I felt that way often in our deaths but knew people meant well. The worst was the murder of the child when people compared it to the normal aging loss of a parent OR said who knows what God's plan is? I wanted to say God did NOT do this nor plan this, HE did it (meaning the perp). Again, however, they meant well right?

I am surrounded by people of color and that is a fact and I am the minority in my area (as a white) and I do listen and I do talk to them and everyone for that matter, I don't differentiate. There is a purpose, there is an issue and George Floyd is not it, but just another example of what happens way too often.

We have had no rioting here but just peaceful flower and candle laying for George, a vigil/prayer service and a walk in support.

I also agree that much of it is probably not the protesters, I think there are pushes and politics behind some of it and I think many would do this no matter what the issue and are not the ones protesting for "change" but just criminals of any color (I also mean white which is a color) who would do such things anyhow.

However, it helps nothing. Many people do not have respect for lawlessness, whether it be of the officer's behavior or what is going on now. I don't have much respect for that part of it no matter what the color of who does what.

And sadly, there are those that are racist and already think most blacks are thugs and acting like this will change nothing--not that that type of person is likely to change their thinking anyhow. I just do not see how it furthers a cause to meet law breaking (murder in the case of the cop) with more law breaking (riots, murder, looting, fires, vandalism).

I also feel a sad fact is something is going to have to stop this if it does not stop soon and if the National Guard ends up in every city where it is a problem, then people will be complaining about that. It simply cannot go on. What good also does shooting someone else of color or burning their business do? What kind of point is that?

All that said, I understand and agree with almost everything you said, but for me, it is not the way I look at it and I would never pretend to know what they not only go through but have gone through. My one daughter and I talk about this a lot and we did so before Arbery or Floyd or anything recent.

One last thing is this may have well had to do with race, but part of me does not doubt this officer would have done this to any race, including white, who he felt like doing it to. It happens far more due to race, I understand that, but I haven't yet seen anything that actually shows it was about race. Some of this type of officer like to show their power over ANYONE.

It also stands out to me that Floyd's own friends and family want it to stop so not all feel like this. I get the problem is systemic and it is not just about him but his death is also being somewhat overshadowed imo.

This post is not to argue either but just to discuss and explain if my posts are some that come across that way at all, the other points are certainly not what I think. In my building here, again, I am the minority and I live among at least three other races. I have also seen the attitude, behavior and heard the remarks of some others towards some of them.

I also understand that all that being said, still does not mean I "get" it and I know that. However, I do know that too. None of us have ever lived in the other person's shoes.

All jmo.
 
It would be different if every protester was truly protesting for the racism, the issues, the death, etc. but that is not what all are doing. The cop is under arrest, hopefully the others will be and while I think the cop's charges may be a bit light thus far, when they have enough put together, they may very well be increased. Those that knew George Floyd for goodness sakes are saying this is not what he stood for or would have wanted. Jmo.

3rd degree is a joke.
 
Are there any people of color on here? Being behind an anonymous screen name it's hard to know. Because I'm sensing that I'm seeing a lot of white opinions on how people of color are responding to being hurt. If you are not a POC, you do NOT understand. And we have no right to tell them how to respond.

I had a student a few years back who lost his mother to cancer very quickly. He told me the thing that would make him the most upset was his friends saying, "Yeah, I've lost my grandma, I get it," or "Yeah, my uncle died last year, I understand." It took everything in him to not fly off the handle at them and say NO, you have NOT lost your mother, you do NOT understand.

Listen, I'm NOT advocating for violence or destruction. But the only thing white people (including myself) should be doing is supporting people of color, listening to them, and advocating for them. It's NOT enough that the officer was charged. The entire system needs to change. Shitty people are going to take advantage of the chaos. For the most part, it is NOT the protesters doing the looting, vandalism, etc. But to think that a group of people vandalizing negates the whole movement and the whole purpose? Come on. Find a way to support the majority of the people who are not doing that if it bothers you so much.

LISTEN TO POC! Listen, and really HEAR them. Stop assuming you know what's happening or what they're thinking or going through.

(This post is not directed at anyone in particular, but seriously, all of us who are non-POC need to stop and think about our reaction to everything that's happening and consider the lens through which you see the world. I'm really not trying to ruffle any feathers, but I just had to get it off my chest.)

Re-sharing part of this link that I shared before. (More at link and in OP)

Our mayor, Lovely Warren, made a great speech. Before I post that I just want to say that no matter what your ethnicity is violence never the solution. What's in the news now? Rioting, not the new autopsy, not Arbery, and the only mention of Floyd is that the rioting is because of George Floyd.


 
Our mayor, Lovely Warren, made a great speech. Before I post that I just want to say that no matter what your ethnicity is violence never the solution. What's in the news now? Rioting, not the new autopsy, not Arbery, and the only mention of Floyd is that the rioting is because of George Floyd.




I don't disagree. Definitely not advocating for violence. But that's partially the media's own fault. They are not covering the 95% of protests/marches that are actually peaceful. They're not sending their news crews to the 2pm rally. They're sending their news crews to the 8pm chaos.

My city, a very large city very near Seattle, had HOURS of peaceful protests yesterday. Zero coverage. Until a few knuckleheads (NOT protesters) smashed some windows. Then everybody's all over it.

Police have made at least 5,600 arrests during protests against police violence and racial injustice, reports @AP. They have not arrested any officers involved #BreonnaTaylor’s killing or 3 of the 4 officers involved in the death of #GeorgeFloyd.

What does that help?
 
I don't disagree. Definitely not advocating for violence. But that's partially the media's own fault. They are not covering the 95% of protests/marches that are actually peaceful. They're not sending their news crews to the 2pm rally. They're sending their news crews to the 8pm chaos.

My city, a very large city very near Seattle, had HOURS of peaceful protests yesterday. Zero coverage. Until a few knuckleheads (NOT protesters) smashed some windows. Then everybody's all over it.

Police have made at least 5,600 arrests during protests against police violence and racial injustice, reports @AP. They have not arrested any officers involved #BreonnaTaylor’s killing or 3 of the 4 officers involved in the death of #GeorgeFloyd.

What does that help?
Nailed it
 
I don't disagree. Definitely not advocating for violence. But that's partially the media's own fault. They are not covering the 95% of protests/marches that are actually peaceful. They're not sending their news crews to the 2pm rally. They're sending their news crews to the 8pm chaos.

My city, a very large city very near Seattle, had HOURS of peaceful protests yesterday. Zero coverage. Until a few knuckleheads (NOT protesters) smashed some windows. Then everybody's all over it.

Police have made at least 5,600 arrests during protests against police violence and racial injustice, reports @AP. They have not arrested any officers involved #BreonnaTaylor’s killing or 3 of the 4 officers involved in the death of #GeorgeFloyd.

What does that help?

I would never argue the media part and entirely agree. I watched the vid from Cuz even though it was not from my area and their people in power said it well. Most of who are doing this are from out of town.

WE have had peaceful vigils, flower laying, walks in support/and protest and you will never see that on mainstream media.

Whether anyone agrees or not, I don't think most of us are awful people nor are we racist. I don't think politics and the media helps that at all but stirs the pot. I can't name one person I know who would do such things as this rioting, of any race.
 

The state of Minnesota launched a sweeping civil rights probe into the Minneapolis Police Department on Tuesday, a week after an officer allegedly killed a black man during an arrest, officials said.

The probe, stemming from the death of George Floyd, will be designed to root out "systemic racism that is generations deep," Gov. Tim Walz told reporters.

"The Minnesota of Department of Human Rights is filing a commissioner's charge of discrimination and launch a civil right investigation against the Minneapolis Police Department," Walz said.

"The investigation will review MPD's policies, procedures and practices over the last 10 years to determine if the department has utilized systemic discriminatory practices towards people of color."

Human Rights Commissioner Rebecca Lucero said her agency served papers on the city of Minneapolis at about 1 p.m. CT on Tuesday.

While investigators will have subpoena power, Lucero said she expects the city to be open with records and hopes to have findings in “several months."

“We’re really hoping that this is something … we can move very quickly on, because of shared values and goals around this issue,” she said.
 
Whether anyone agrees or not, I don't think most of us are awful people nor are we racist. I don't think politics and the media helps that at all but stirs the pot. I can't name one person I know who would do such things as this rioting, of any race.

I don't know if you mean "us" as those of us here at CW, or "us" as in people in general.

I'd agree that most of us here at CW (hopefully all) are not racist. But people in general? If you haven't seen that or experienced that, I'm happy for you. I grew up in a very rural area of Idaho. The area was home of an active (at the time) Aryan Nations compound. Though they're not "officially" there today, a lot of smaller, offshoot groups still exist. I know a lot of people with racist feelings. My town / home was on an Indian Reservation, so much of what I heard growing up was directed toward Native Americans. But yes, racism is alive and well. Most people I know are not necessarily outwardly racist. And they'd deny it if asked. But the feelings are there. I've brought one of my best friends (who is black) to my hometown for Labor Day, 4th of July, etc. You should see the looks.

In one of these small cities, several actually, small groups, ARMED to the teeth, were out to "protect the city" last night. These same people are those who would be screaming from the rafters about rioters causing trouble if any of the protesters had guns.

LAST NIGHT, one of my best friend's uncle's house was tagged with graffiti. I'm not sharing the picture here because I don't have his permission to do that, but his garage is covered with the N word, and additional profanity and obscene images, etc. It's disgusting. My friend, his family, his uncle should not have to be dealing with that. It makes it all the more real.
 
I don't know if you mean "us" as those of us here at CW, or "us" as in people in general.

I'd agree that most of us here at CW (hopefully all) are not racist. But people in general? If you haven't seen that or experienced that, I'm happy for you. I grew up in a very rural area of Idaho. The area was home of an active (at the time) Aryan Nations compound. Though they're not "officially" there today, a lot of smaller, offshoot groups still exist. I know a lot of people with racist feelings. My town / home was on an Indian Reservation, so much of what I heard growing up was directed toward Native Americans. But yes, racism is alive and well. Most people I know are not necessarily outwardly racist. And they'd deny it if asked. But the feelings are there. I've brought one of my best friends (who is black) to my hometown for Labor Day, 4th of July, etc. You should see the looks.

In one of these small cities, several actually, small groups, ARMED to the teeth, were out to "protect the city" last night. These same people are those who would be screaming from the rafters about rioters causing trouble if any of the protesters had guns.

LAST NIGHT, one of my best friend's uncle's house was tagged with graffiti. I'm not sharing the picture here because I don't have his permission to do that, but his garage is covered with the N word, and additional profanity and obscene images, etc. It's disgusting. My friend, his family, his uncle should not have to be dealing with that. It makes it all the more real.

Great points. I do feel the world is sliding backwards with such issues but I also feel both media and politicians race bait and fan flames. I am not unfamiliar with Native Americans and reservations myself, although I did not grow up on one, I grew up around many of them and knew more than one person who had.

You are right, it does go on. I guess I should not have said "most" but I do believe there are as many who are not racist, than who are. And out of the ones that are, many would still never injure or kill someone because of race, not that that makes anything okay.

When you talk about bringing one of your best friends home, I can give a similar situation where my daughter brought home a male gay friend. We went to a rural bar we frequented and that was an experience. Have I said many in my home area are quite redneck types, many of them, not all? I shouldn't label but it is a fact and most would call themselves that and be proud of it for that matter (and it isn't in the south). It was mainly one person who was being a total outright jerk to her friend but the looks were there from others as well.

I guess it is still racism but what I see more of is avoidance and not anything physical or rude. As I said I live amongst different races a lot of the time and what I see more of is each race keeping to themselves mostly. Although some, like I, are friendly to any and all. However, people do that in general so it is hard to say, especially in bigger buildings--careful until they get a sense of who everyone is.

I guess too I have problems with issues like this rioting because in the video Cuz posted they made it very clear it was antagonists and I think one called them anarchists from other areas coming in and causing the rioting.

I am really sorry your friend and the friend's relatives went through such a thing. It has to be downright scary as well. I do not disagree at all with any of your points. I guess I have not seen the same kind of behavior either other than from media, it has been peaceful here. As you say though, the peaceful, thoughtful protests with good speeches and points do not make the news, just the rioting does for the most part.

Jmo.
 
Just to preface this. I'm not trying to attack your views, just trying to have a conversation. Which seems to be going alright so far, I think. And maybe make some people think about things a little differently.

Great points. I do feel the world is sliding backwards with such issues but I also feel both media and politicians race bait and fan flames.

Not backwards. The "progress" people would want you to believe...did not happen. Racism never went anywhere. People just try to hide it more. There's a Will Smith quote floating around. "Racism isn't getting worse. It's getting filmed." But I do believe some people have become more emboldened to share their racist views as of late.

You are right, it does go on. I guess I should not have said "most" but I do believe there are as many who are not racist, than who are.

So what percentage of racist American's is acceptable? 40%? 20%? As long as there's more of the good guys? As long as they don't cause physical harm?
What percentage of "bad apple" cops is acceptable?
Another quote, this one from Chris Rock. "But some jobs can’t have bad apples. Some jobs, everybody gotta be good. Like … pilots. Ya know, American Airlines can’t be like, “Most of our pilots like to land. We just got a few bad apples that like to crash into mountains. Please bear with us.”

And out of the ones that are, many would still never injure or kill someone because of race, not that that makes anything okay.
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I guess it is still racism but what I see more of is avoidance and not anything physical or rude.

Just because someone wouldn't physically attack someone because of race...does not make their racism okay. I know you said that, too, but even small, non-violent things can be extremely harmful.

Racial bias. We have ALL done it. That doesn't mean any of us are necessarily "racist", but it does mean that we have things we need to work on. Our inner biases.

Have you ever seen a Middle Eastern man board your plane and had a quick nervous moment? Then maybe you come to your senses and realize your thoughts have no merit, and move on? Meanwhile this man is getting looks from many, many people on the plane. Have you ever asked someone who appeared non-white, "Where are you from?....No like, where is your family from?...Like, where are you REALLY from?" Or maybe you look at that group of black men walking down the sidewalk toward you at night just a tiny bit differently than you would look at a group of white men. Not giving a woman named LaKeisha a call back on her resume. (Studies have found that "black sounding" names are far less likely to get a call back.) Excluding native american, black, Hispanic, etc. points of view from school history curriculum and classes.
"I don't see color!" The list goes on.

We ALL need to work on our racial biases to make our world a better place. Not excuse them because they aren't physically causing harm. I catch myself in my bias sometimes. It shocks me, and I vow to try harder.
 
Just to preface this. I'm not trying to attack your views, just trying to have a conversation. Which seems to be going alright so far, I think. And maybe make some people think about things a little differently. No problem, I get it, and I enjoy conversing and I hope I have shown that. I also feel I am open minded other than when we are talking murderers or some such, then I can get a real strong opinion.


Not backwards. The "progress" people would want you to believe...did not happen. Racism never went anywhere. People just try to hide it more. There's a Will Smith quote floating around. "Racism isn't getting worse. It's getting filmed." But I do believe some people have become more emboldened to share their racist views as of late.
I don't know. I look back to the attitudes back in my parents' and grandparents' days and I don't see the same thing in those same generations even. I never considered my parents racist but many in that generation were and thought nothing of jokes but those would include Polish jokes, Norwegian and the like. I am not making light of it but am just saying I have seen attitudes change much in the older generation or at least some of them.

So what percentage of racist American's is acceptable? 40%? 20%? As long as there's more of the good guys? As long as they don't cause physical harm?
What percentage of "bad apple" cops is acceptable?
Another quote, this one from Chris Rock. "But some jobs can’t have bad apples. Some jobs, everybody gotta be good. Like … pilots. Ya know, American Airlines can’t be like, “Most of our pilots like to land. We just got a few bad apples that like to crash into mountains. Please bear with us.”

Good point. In no way do I mean ANY at all is acceptable, there should be NONE. And by backwards, I mean I guess as an example, like women. It is great right now with things like the Me Too Movement and some serious arrests and charges and it is now more easily caught and shared, etc. (This remark should have went above I guess) but in the same sense it has slid backwards with internet porn, subservient positions, things like incels (which I don't want to get into and I had never heard of until about a year ago)... I probably am not wording it as well as I want to. It just sometimes feels with any such issues for one step forward there are three backwards sometimes simultaneously.
Just because someone wouldn't physically attack someone because of race...does not make their racism okay. I know you said that, too, but even small, non-violent things can be extremely harmful. Totally agree.

Racial bias. We have ALL done it. That doesn't mean any of us are necessarily "racist", but it does mean that we have things we need to work on. Our inner biases. I get it and agree. However, I don't think it will ever be where it is not normal to see someone and think that person is cute, she is tall, she has a nice smile, his clothes don't match, he is white, he is black, he is Latino, his expression looks like he is having a bad day, etc. Rachael Ray had someone on the other day, I didn't watch it closely nor do I ever, but the woman, I can't recall who it was, said and by the way I am black. Rachael kind of giggled and said no, really? It was not awkward but a great point I thought. The woman went on to say one of her pet peeves is when people say "they don't see color" and she said it makes her think, what do you mean, I am invisible to you?? I am black and you can't see that? So what?? I guess we probably do have inner biases but I truly do not think I do with race, but I guess I could be wrong.
ave you ever seen a Middle Eastern man board your plane and had a quick nervous moment? Then maybe you come to your senses and realize your thoughts have no merit, and move on? Meanwhile this man is getting looks from many, many people on the plane. Have you ever asked someone who appeared non-white, "Where are you from?....No like, where is your family from?...Like, where are you REALLY from?" Or maybe you look at that group of black men walking down the sidewalk toward you at night just a tiny bit differently than you would look at a group of white men. Not giving a woman named LaKeisha a call back on her resume. (Studies have found that "black sounding" names are far less likely to get a call back.) Excluding native american, black, Hispanic, etc. points of view from school history curriculum and classes.
"I don't see color!" The list goes on. Again, I get your point and don't disagree. I have hired and can tell you it would never go that way for me. I did have a boss who when I decided who had the best skill for the job told me the girl was too heavy and would break the office chair. Nice huh? I would never hire based on any such thing, name or otherwise. I don't doubt people do though. I have sat in Indian casinos and listened to people at a blackjack table bitch right in front of the Native dealer about the advantages they get and how they shouldn't, my instant thought is what are you doing in here then supporting what you disagree with? I have been surrounded by a group of black men in Mpls of all places a decade or so ago. I was a bit nervous and would have been the same had it been white men and had it happened in the same way. I a female outside a store by myself, a store that had an armed security guard, the people I was with had went in and I was outside having a smoke and people just started coming from every direction and surrounded me seriously. As a female alone, I was a bit nervous and in a city and area I did not know. I got some snide remarks to begin with, I took it in stride or tried to and with some humor and within a moment or two, I could feel things change. I bummed a few some smokes who asked for them, etc. Now one can call this racism but again, I would have done the same as a lone female with anyone surrounding me like that. The people I was with finally all came out of the store and were almost shocked to see me chatting with a bunch of strangers. Now I was surrounded by all sides and they came from different directions almost silently the minute I was alone. I am not judging, what I am saying is the circumstances would have had me feeling that way regardless of race. They disappeared just about as silently into the night the minute the people I was with came out. I am getting sidewise here but I guess I am trying to say if I saw two young children walking two blocks ahead of me and an old white van pulled up quickly next to them curbside, I would increase my step and jump to wondering what it was up to. It depends on circumstance imo. One of the worst places that made me the most nervous if alone for a moment was Vegas and the ones who did so were white and that could go on right in a big crowded casino. Go to the elevator to go up to your room and all of a sudden someone is following you who you saw kicked out earlier, etc. I don't know. Just like a man can never totally what it is like to be in a woman's shoes or any example we can give, yes, we can't know what it is like to have been in a black person's shoes or anyone's for that matter. I truly try to and do say that there are good and bad in all groups and there are. We can talk women, men, cops, blacks, whites, teachers, celebrities, any kind of group, my opinion would be there are good and bad in any "grouping". I am very biased though about politicians lol, I class about 95 percent of them as bad. Lame attempt at a joke. Anyhow, sorry to go on at length but I do enjoy discussing and I like looking at all sides of every issue and thing.
 
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Our area stayed very calm last night.

Ours has been calm and we have quite a mixed population. I am not a media fan as you are not either I know, but here is an article too that I think is a fair read with a bit different angle rather than just highlighting all riots.

 
Ours has been calm and we have quite a mixed population. I am not a media fan as you are not either I know, but here is an article too that I think is a fair read with a bit different angle rather than just highlighting all riots.

My area has had some bad behavior, but mild compared to many areas. Our PD seems to be trying new tactics and learning from them. No curfew was imposed last night here, either.
 

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