GEORGE FLOYD: Man killed, 4 Minneapolis Officers Fired - MN vs Derek Chauvin *GUILTY*

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(CNN)Four Minneapolis police officers have been fired for their involvement in the death of a black man who was held down with a knee as he protested that he couldn't breathe, officials said Tuesday.

The FBI is investigating the incident, which drew widespread condemnation of the officers after a video showing part of the encounter circulated on social media.
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4 Minneapolis cops fired after video shows one kneeling on neck of black man who later died | CNN

The FBI is investigating the incident, which drew widespread condemnation of the officers after a video showing part of the encounter circulated on social media.
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GrandmaBear said:
At the risk of shocking you, I agree with you to a point here although I see different reasons for some of it. I don't believe all cops are dirty nor the vast majority but I am in no denial that there are dirty cops. I have seen good and bad. I have seen abuse of power. I have also seen wonderful majorly go above and beyond the call of duty helpful type of officers.

I think part of the problem is that the good cops could stand up and do the right thing, however, if they are in a "bad" department, they would probably find themselves out of a job with some reason given if they go against another officer and even more so, if it is a superior, depending on the department itself. This department here was under a lot of fire during the Noor case with major calls for change and things were looked into in depth, even going beyond that case, and changes were called for that probably were not made. That may be too simplistic, as it is a large metro department but it is known.

I suspect the officer that did try to say something may be a good cop but two of them were fairly recent hires in the past couple of years. The two that have had the complaints that have been brought out are more (length wise) senior officers. It in no way excuses any of the officers one bit but I can see where it could be hard to go up against a "superior" when that very cop (the one who caused the death) has had other complaints where nothing happened to him and all was "forgiven" or shoved under the rug by higher ups and is your "superior".

Jmo.
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I know quite a few cops. They are in a small jurisdiction, and all of them appear to be great people as far as I know. The scary part is that they told me a few years back that a lot of good ones were leaving the force because it got too dangerous for them out there.

Just an observation from my little neck of the woods.
 
Kimster said:
I know quite a few cops. They are in a small jurisdiction, and all of them appear to be great people as far as I know. The scary part is that they told me a few years back that a lot of good ones were leaving the force because it got too dangerous for them out there.

Just an observation from my little neck of the woods.
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Yes, I too would never say the vast majority are bad, however, there are some, just as there are good and bad in any group of people.

I said in a post a minute or too again kind of what you are saying--in this day and age I don't envy the cops and the danger. I also think in some situations they need to be able to defend themselves and the public. This case of course was not one of them.

I do think some bad types can be attracted to LE as they want that power and they abuse that power. Not all certainly, but some. In the same way a pedophile is attracted to jobs around children, not a perfect example but certain jobs can attract certain types.

All jmo.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Yes, I too would never say the vast majority are bad, however, there are some, just as there are good and bad in any group of people.

I said in a post a minute or too again kind of what you are saying--in this day and age I don't envy the cops and the danger. I also think in some situations they need to be able to defend themselves and the public. This case of course was not one of them.

I do think some bad types can be attracted to LE as they want that power and they abuse that power. Not all certainly, but some. In the same way a pedophile is attracted to jobs around children, not a perfect example but certain jobs can attract certain types.
All jmo.
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I think in order to weed them out, the good ones need to not fear pointing out the bad ones.
 
Kimster said:
I think in order to weed them out, the good ones need to not fear pointing out the bad ones.
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I agree but I guess it depends how deep it runs, who heads the department and if internal affairs (at these huge departments) is truly independent and not part of the problem. I am not saying that is the case here, I have no idea but I do know a lot was said over that Noor case. It makes me think of the "no tell" policy that exists in the military as well. Look at the OJ case and the LAPD and the officer/detective's racist slur who blew his credibility when he claimed he had never said such kinds of things yet he had certainly advanced through the ranks in his career. Furhman wasn't it?

I don't know how they can assure an officer he will not be harassed nor his family if he rats someone out but something needs to change right? I think if someone has become a senior officer or supervisor that was not a "good" cop, it is probably even harder to go against that person or report it.

One positive is cell phone video, security cameras and body cam footage AND the internet and sharing is having a big impact. I somehow doubt this officer thought this would be all over the internet.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I agree but I guess it depends how deep it runs, who heads the department and if internal affairs (at these huge departments) is truly independent and not part of the problem. I am not saying that is the case here, I have no idea but I do know a lot was said over that Noor case. It makes me think of the "no tell" policy that exists in the military as well. Look at the OJ case and the LAPD and the officer/detective's racist slur who blew his credibility when he claimed he had never said such kinds of things yet he had certainly advanced through the ranks in his career. Furhman wasn't it?

I don't know how they can assure an officer he will not be harassed nor his family if he rats someone out but something needs to change right? I think if someone has become a senior officer or supervisor that was not a "good" cop, it is probably even harder to go against that person or report it.

One positive is cell phone video, security cameras and body cam footage AND the internet and sharing is having a big impact. I somehow doubt this officer thought this would be all over the internet.
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:gaah: I just went off on a political rant, sorry.

All of this has been going on for years and years. The availability of cameras at your fingertips is just bringing it out in the open now. This is what Colin Kaepernick was trying to draw attention to by kneeling. It wasn't disrespecting the military which is what people turned it into without listening. I think he could have done it much better if he did it differently, but the point should be getting through now. Without it being recorded we never would have known about these recent assaults. This absolutely nothing new to members of the non-white communities.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
:gaah: I just went off on a political rant, sorry.

All of this has been going on for years and years. The availability of cameras at your fingertips is just bringing it out in the open now. This is what Colin Kaepernick was trying to draw attention to by kneeling. It wasn't disrespecting the military which is what people turned it into without listening. I think he could have done it much better if he did it differently, but the point should be getting through now. Without it being recorded we never would have known about these recent assaults. This absolutely nothing new to members of the non-white communities.
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I don't think this remark is overly political. I agree with all of it, however, I differ on Colin K. a bit. I don't think the NFL and the national anthem, etc. is anti cop so much as anti the entire country and people, etc. I do agree he could have used another platform, and I would not have an issue; such as pay for an ad or start a group and say it somewhere other than the NFL and use something different than the flag, the anthem, etc. which represents our country, not the cops per se.
 
If you're a cop and you're not speaking out against what's happening, you are not a "good cop".
If you can sit there and watch a co-worker beat someone, kill someone, etc. then you are not a good cop.
If you have 9,995 "good cops" and 5 "bad cops", but the 9,995 don't speak out against the 5 bad ones, you really just have 10,000 bad cops.
Just because you don't act out doesn't make you a good cop. I've seen more police brutality at these events against police brutality...

There are two drastically different things happening right now.

NYPD cops drove through protesters. Seattle PD maced a 9-year-old girl. Seattle PD was told to cover their badge numbers and turn off body cams.




Flint Sheriff (Genesee County) joints in with the marchers. He gave a speech at the end of the event and everyone went home peacefully.



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Also, whoever was saying that most of the Minnesota protesters were not from the area....that was not correct news.


kstp.com

Jail records show a majority of those arrested during unrest, riots in the Twin Cities are Minnesotans

There have been numerous arrests made in the Twin Cities, according to jail records released Saturday...
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While state and local officials claim many of those arrested following civil unrest in the Twin Cities area are from out of town, jail records show that a majority of those arrested are Minnesotans


Meanwhile, in Minneapolis, there were a number of people arrested and charged between Friday and Saturday.

There were 27 riot arrests, with three people from out of state arrested.

In St. Paul, there have been 18 civil unrest arrests from Thursday through Saturday morning.

Of the 18 arrests, four were people from out of state and two were from unknown locations.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
Also, whoever was saying that most of the Minnesota protesters were not from the area....that was not correct news.


kstp.com

Jail records show a majority of those arrested during unrest, riots in the Twin Cities are Minnesotans

There have been numerous arrests made in the Twin Cities, according to jail records released Saturday...
kstp.com kstp.com

While state and local officials claim many of those arrested following civil unrest in the Twin Cities area are from out of town, jail records show that a majority of those arrested are Minnesotans


Meanwhile, in Minneapolis, there were a number of people arrested and charged between Friday and Saturday.

There were 27 riot arrests, with three people from out of state arrested.

In St. Paul, there have been 18 civil unrest arrests from Thursday through Saturday morning.

Of the 18 arrests, four were people from out of state and two were from unknown locations.
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I don't know that it ever happened or when but there was an article that stated people were headed there and a big group thing planned. I have not watched any podcasts on this case nor been on social media, I am sure it was in an article. It is far better if that is not the case and I am glad to hear it. I would add these were the ones arrested apparently, not all of the rioters. However, again though, I am glad if it is not the case, particularly with Covid, the big gatherings are worrisome enough.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
If you're a cop and you're not speaking out against what's happening, you are not a "good cop".
If you can sit there and watch a co-worker beat someone, kill someone, etc. then you are not a good cop.
If you have 9,995 "good cops" and 5 "bad cops", but the 9,995 don't speak out against the 5 bad ones, you really just have 10,000 bad cops.
Just because you don't act out doesn't make you a good cop. I've seen more police brutality at these events against police brutality...

There are two drastically different things happening right now.

NYPD cops drove through protesters. Seattle PD maced a 9-year-old girl. Seattle PD was told to cover their badge numbers and turn off body cams.




Flint Sheriff (Genesee County) joints in with the marchers. He gave a speech at the end of the event and everyone went home peacefully.



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Cover their badge numbers and turn off their cameras? I have heard a bit about Seattle PD in the past few years but even so this shocks me.
 
Guess Who said:
These actions are the ONLY reason why I can see why any PD force would not want to have body cameras.
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I agree. I have also heard of cases where a camera or recorder stops working at optimal times but then works for what is needed to be heard, seen, etc.

Cops should WANT these to protect themselves. Why else would they not want them? Exactly.
 
Said by my friends who attended and confirmed via pictures.

On the left is the lovely fellow said to be the one who pepper sprayed the little girl. Badge numbers should be in the center of the badge, under the black tape.

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Seattle PD tweeted that their cameras were off because it's not allowed to record lawful demonstrations. If they were lawful demonstrations, why do you need this level of response?

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The latest Tweets from Seattle Police Dept. (@SeattlePD). Seattle Police news/events. Call 911 to report emergencies. Site not monitored 24/7. View the City's privacy & disclosure policies at https://t.co/AWlW3frzbs. Seattle, Washington
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SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
Said by my friends who attended and confirmed via pictures.

On the left is the lovely fellow said to be the one who pepper sprayed the little girl. Badge numbers should be in the center of the badge, under the black tape.

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Seattle PD tweeted that their cameras were off because it's not allowed to record lawful demonstrations. If they were lawful demonstrations, why do you need this level of response?

Seattle Police Dept. (@SeattlePD) | Twitter

The latest Tweets from Seattle Police Dept. (@SeattlePD). Seattle Police news/events. Call 911 to report emergencies. Site not monitored 24/7. View the City's privacy & disclosure policies at https://t.co/AWlW3frzbs. Seattle, Washington
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I find that hard to believe, they can't record a demonstration? Yet the public can and news reporters can and people are out in public who are demonstrating so they shouldn't have an issue with it. It also does not explain covering a badge number, smh.
 
So a federal officer was shot and killed in California. This solves nothing and now someone else is likely going to be up on murder charges. I am sorry but if you hate what this cop did, kill someone, you don't do the same to someone who had nothing to do with it.

people.com

'Momma, I'm Through': Protests, Unrest Rage After George Floyd's Killing at Hands of Police

On Saturday night, a Federal Protective Service officer was fatally shot in California, and across the country, videos of police brutality circulated on social media
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slate.com

Police Erupt in Violence Nationwide

From New York to Los Angeles, police officers escalated the national unrest.
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Atlanta police officers fired after 2 people are tased, pulled from car during protests

Atlanta’s mayor says two police officers have been fired and three placed on desk duty pending review over excessive use of force during a protest incident Saturday night.
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Atlanta’s mayor says two police officers have been fired and three placed on desk duty pending review over excessive use of force during a protest incident Saturday night.
 
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