GEORGE FLOYD: Man killed, 4 Minneapolis Officers Fired - MN vs Derek Chauvin *GUILTY*

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(CNN)Four Minneapolis police officers have been fired for their involvement in the death of a black man who was held down with a knee as he protested that he couldn't breathe, officials said Tuesday.

The FBI is investigating the incident, which drew widespread condemnation of the officers after a video showing part of the encounter circulated on social media.
 
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Out here, they just confiscate the counterfeit bill. You're out the money. If I recall correctly, the bank would notify the FBI but that was 30 years ago so who knows what they do now.

The person with the counterfeit is never arrested. Ever. They're just out the money.

Yet George Floyd was handcuffed, they didn't even look into anything first from what we know. Smh.
 
Nothing that I didn't already suspect


I am not surprised either. And not only that, let's bring on Covid traveling from states to other states in big groups. Without getting political, because of political things, I am not surprised one bit. They were predicting this and knew it ahead of time even or so it seemed. Let's pass Covid through the US with traveling protests why don't we...
 
Sounds to me like we have a brand new issue here and law enforcement needs to find out who these people are and why they are destroying our cities.

This is one of those things that is hard to talk about without getting political. Imo. To put it in an unbiased way, I think political factions on both sides use people and big cases, etc. How long after Parkland within a day, was it about gun control and then the other side saying thank God some had guns... I am trying to say both sides were using it so not trying to start anything.

One thing I notice is we have businesses burning who were probably struggling over Covid and being closed anyhow. Anyone with business owner insurance should be covered whether due to Covid (business interruption over a covered loss) and now vandalism... (covered also)...

What bothers me as much as anything, is let's guess people are traveling to other cities to protest, etc. and here spreads Covid. Gee...

Staying carefully away from politics but sometimes one has to wonder.... It has sure been quite a 2020 so far...
 
Also being scared to death that you're going to be the next one murdered by the cops is enough to aggravate your "underlying" conditions, even if you didn't know you had any. That report is such BS.

The officer knew (or should have known, because he was taught) that the move was dangerous. He continued to place his knee on George's neck for 2 MINUTES 43 SECONDS AFTER he became non-responsive.

Why did no one step in? We all need to change and start stepping up. Yes, someone videoed, so there's proof, okay. People were begging and pleading, okay. Take off your shoe and throw it at him. Push him over. Do something. I'll take those criminal charges to save someone's life. Obviously know your place and time, and don't get yourself hurt. Not everyone has the privilege to be able to do it. But how many people stood there and watched him be murdered. The first ones to step in should have been the other officers. They failed their duty to protect. Who's next in line.

Phone videos and business videos and the internet may very well change the secret hidden things that go on. In Arbery, the third guy filmed (selectively it seemed) thought it would help them?? In this case, as you said throw a shoe or something, but people are scared to stand up against bad cops (not all are, I do not mean that) because they will go down next or one of their family may be targeted. Film it, photo it, video it while you can and I agree, throw a shoe, do whatever, distract, but people worry they will go down next. Internet and video and cell phones are changing things. The dirty cannot go on as easily anymore. I think personally bodycam should be ALWAYS on, it protects both the victims and the officers if they are justified. Jmo.

In addition to that, every interview should not just be voice recorded but video recorded at LE stations. Why not? The capability is there. Then a jury, etc. can see for themselves.

I have seen some great LE in my lifetime and investigators, I have also seen very non-violent poor people get targeted when they are no threat.

I am hopeful times are chaning. Get it all on film, the capability is there for LE. And not that expensive these days. Jmo.
 
I am not surprised either. And not only that, let's bring on Covid traveling from states to other states in big groups. Without getting political, because of political things, I am not surprised one bit. They were predicting this and knew it ahead of time even or so it seemed. Let's pass Covid through the US with traveling protests why don't we...
Thats what gave me a smile and chuckle was seeing images of ours and seeing everybody spaced apart. I was in awe also that it proved that both the protest and the distancing can take place together. I couldn't see how many wore masks because it was being filmed from directly above
 
Sounds to me like we have a brand new issue here and law enforcement needs to find out who these people are and why they are destroying our cities.
This isn't a brand new issue, sorry to to say. Many people arrested in/around Ferguson weren't local either. The National Guard surrounded the city and literally let them destroy everything they wanted and when nothing was left to vandalize the crowds faded away.
 
I know people are upset with the rioting. I wish there were no riots too. But here's another perspective.

Also, many (most) of the people who go to these protests go there with no intent to destroy anything or riot. Shitty people are going to use any excuse to do shitty things. The protests started out peaceful. I have several friends at the Seattle protests right now. I just want them to be safe. But I absolutely 100% support their right to do what they need to do.


1) “Rioting never solves anything!”

This country was founded on rioting (and looting). The colonists didn’t politely ask to be independent — they started a war. Gays threw a brick. Black people rioted all over this country. Please let go of that falsehood and pick up a history book.

2) “Rioting just gives people a reason not to support your cause.”

Only if you equate property damage to human lives, and in that case, were you really supporting our cause anyway? If all it takes is people stealing from Target for you to say “well…now I don’t care about dead Black people” then why are we even speaking?

3) “The rioters are criminals and they don’t even care about police brutality stuff.”

There are criminals among us in every group, whether peaceful or violent, but the reasons riots break out are varied and complicated. Look at the pictures of Minneapolis before anyone ever threw a rock or started a fire or stole anything — the police firing rubber bullets and cans of tear gas into crowds of people who WERE peacefully protesting. What do you do when you’re frustrated and upset and no one is listening to you? Better yet, what do you do when they’re not only refusing to listen but actively trying to cause you physical harm to shut you up? Do you go home, stand there peacefully, or get mad and try to hurt them back? Does it really matter who you hurt at that point? Would you try to hurt someone in full tactical gear holding a weapon or would you try to hurt something like a multi-billion dollar business with insurance that probably contributed to the decimation of Mom & Pops in your community? Do you want to actually DIE in that moment or are you just upset and frustrated and at your breaking point and you want to smash something?

4) “Being frustrated is no reason to be violent.”

Everybody reacts to stress differently. I have no desire to riot. That’s not how my frustration at the world takes root. It doesn’t manifest itself as a roiling mass of energy that needs to be released, but I can understand how it could in others. Look at the situation.

— We’re in the middle of a global pandemic and many of the people on the front lines (making sure YOU can be comfortable at home) are Black people risking their lives for minimum wage, dealing with entitled white folks every single day.
— The virus itself is affecting Black people to a higher degree because we’re denied access to health services and we’re forced to WORK during it.
— Even in the middle of a pandemic when most of the country sat at home for weeks, civilians being murdered by police did not see a downward turn AT ALL. We’re on track for the same number of deaths we saw last year.
— All week, every day, a new video of Racism in America. From white women using the police as their personal security service to elderly women being tackled by cops with guns drawn to another Black man who can’t breathe, murdered by a cop who should’ve been fired a long time ago.

How do you feel about your country when people who look like you have to work through a pandemic, are dying in larger numbers from the disease, have the police called on them over a dog leash, are told they’re trespassing on property they pay rent for, are brutalized by armies of cops, and are killed in broad daylight for the crime of jogging?

How do you feel? How would you react? Regardless of how you would react, how can you tell someone else how they should? People are ANGRY. They have a right to be angry. And I can’t tell someone else how their anger should manifest. Because they are grown and TARGET HAS INSURANCE! I promise you Target will be just fine!

5) “Attacking an elderly disabled woman is a step too far!”

That woman is 30, she can walk just fine, and she went to Target armed with a knife to stab Black people. That’s why WHITE PEOPLE unloaded a fire extinguiser at her — because she was a violent maniac. On one side, people stole stuff from a big box retailer. On the other, someone STABBED PEOPLE UNPROVOKED, and yet your concern is whether anybody successfully stole a TV?

6) “There are better ways…”

Keep working on those better ways. Don’t let the riots stop you. Fight for criminal justice reform, fight for income inequality, fight for universal healthcare, fight for free education, fight for higher taxes on the 1% — fight for all those things that would make rioting less likely. And while you’re fighting the long, slow war toward Black people having a fair shot in this country, the same war we’ve been fighting for hundreds of years, there will be times when some people directly affected by the war see your actions as futile and they just wanna break some stuff. Clutch your pearls less and speed up the war if you’re so offended by property damage.

 
If they would have put him in custody sooner, they could have saved their city from 95% of the riots and flames.
If "good cops" would have stepped up and said, "We do not condone this. We see you and we hear you," instead of guarding a murderer's house, they could have saved their city from 95% of the riots and flames.
If the department wouldn't continue to employ people with a dozen complaints and complaints of brutality, they could have saved their city.
But what do I know.
Excellent point. This case really shatters the entire myth about "good cops". There are very few "good cops" at all. I hope this ordeal wakes some people up to that fact. As we saw clearly from the video, not one cop on the scene did anything to save Floyds's life. A "good cop" would've physically intervened and pulled Chauvin off of him. They would've at least done something. The vast majority of cops will ignore, cover and lie under oath about the misdeeds of their fellow boys in blue.
 
I know people are upset with the rioting. I wish there were no riots too. But here's another perspective.

Also, many (most) of the people who go to these protests go there with no intent to destroy anything or riot. Shitty people are going to use any excuse to do shitty things. The protests started out peaceful. I have several friends at the Seattle protests right now. I just want them to be safe. But I absolutely 100% support their right to do what they need to do.


1) “Rioting never solves anything!”

This country was founded on rioting (and looting). The colonists didn’t politely ask to be independent — they started a war. Gays threw a brick. Black people rioted all over this country. Please let go of that falsehood and pick up a history book.

2) “Rioting just gives people a reason not to support your cause.”

Only if you equate property damage to human lives, and in that case, were you really supporting our cause anyway? If all it takes is people stealing from Target for you to say “well…now I don’t care about dead Black people” then why are we even speaking?

3) “The rioters are criminals and they don’t even care about police brutality stuff.”

There are criminals among us in every group, whether peaceful or violent, but the reasons riots break out are varied and complicated. Look at the pictures of Minneapolis before anyone ever threw a rock or started a fire or stole anything — the police firing rubber bullets and cans of tear gas into crowds of people who WERE peacefully protesting. What do you do when you’re frustrated and upset and no one is listening to you? Better yet, what do you do when they’re not only refusing to listen but actively trying to cause you physical harm to shut you up? Do you go home, stand there peacefully, or get mad and try to hurt them back? Does it really matter who you hurt at that point? Would you try to hurt someone in full tactical gear holding a weapon or would you try to hurt something like a multi-billion dollar business with insurance that probably contributed to the decimation of Mom & Pops in your community? Do you want to actually DIE in that moment or are you just upset and frustrated and at your breaking point and you want to smash something?

4) “Being frustrated is no reason to be violent.”

Everybody reacts to stress differently. I have no desire to riot. That’s not how my frustration at the world takes root. It doesn’t manifest itself as a roiling mass of energy that needs to be released, but I can understand how it could in others. Look at the situation.

— We’re in the middle of a global pandemic and many of the people on the front lines (making sure YOU can be comfortable at home) are Black people risking their lives for minimum wage, dealing with entitled white folks every single day.
— The virus itself is affecting Black people to a higher degree because we’re denied access to health services and we’re forced to WORK during it.
— Even in the middle of a pandemic when most of the country sat at home for weeks, civilians being murdered by police did not see a downward turn AT ALL. We’re on track for the same number of deaths we saw last year.
— All week, every day, a new video of Racism in America. From white women using the police as their personal security service to elderly women being tackled by cops with guns drawn to another Black man who can’t breathe, murdered by a cop who should’ve been fired a long time ago.

How do you feel about your country when people who look like you have to work through a pandemic, are dying in larger numbers from the disease, have the police called on them over a dog leash, are told they’re trespassing on property they pay rent for, are brutalized by armies of cops, and are killed in broad daylight for the crime of jogging?

How do you feel? How would you react? Regardless of how you would react, how can you tell someone else how they should? People are ANGRY. They have a right to be angry. And I can’t tell someone else how their anger should manifest. Because they are grown and TARGET HAS INSURANCE! I promise you Target will be just fine!

5) “Attacking an elderly disabled woman is a step too far!”

That woman is 30, she can walk just fine, and she went to Target armed with a knife to stab Black people. That’s why WHITE PEOPLE unloaded a fire extinguiser at her — because she was a violent maniac. On one side, people stole stuff from a big box retailer. On the other, someone STABBED PEOPLE UNPROVOKED, and yet your concern is whether anybody successfully stole a TV?

6) “There are better ways…”

Keep working on those better ways. Don’t let the riots stop you. Fight for criminal justice reform, fight for income inequality, fight for universal healthcare, fight for free education, fight for higher taxes on the 1% — fight for all those things that would make rioting less likely. And while you’re fighting the long, slow war toward Black people having a fair shot in this country, the same war we’ve been fighting for hundreds of years, there will be times when some people directly affected by the war see your actions as futile and they just wanna break some stuff. Clutch your pearls less and speed up the war if you’re so offended by property damage.


This is a very interesting and different take on things. I can't say that I agree with all of it though. There are some good points, however. Jmo.
 
Excellent point. This case really shatters the entire myth about "good cops". There are very few "good cops" at all. I hope this ordeal wakes some people up to that fact. As we saw clearly from the video, not one cop on the scene did anything to save Floyds's life. A "good cop" would've physically intervened and pulled Chauvin off of him. They would've at least done something. The vast majority of cops will ignore, cover and lie under oath about the misdeeds of their fellow boys in blue.

At the risk of shocking you, I agree with you to a point here although I see different reasons for some of it. I don't believe all cops are dirty nor the vast majority but I am in no denial that there are dirty cops. I have seen good and bad. I have seen abuse of power. I have also seen wonderful majorly go above and beyond the call of duty helpful type of officers.

I think part of the problem is that the good cops could stand up and do the right thing, however, if they are in a "bad" department, they would probably find themselves out of a job with some reason given if they go against another officer and even more so, if it is a superior, depending on the department itself. This department here was under a lot of fire during the Noor case with major calls for change and things were looked into in depth, even going beyond that case, and changes were called for that probably were not made. That may be too simplistic, as it is a large metro department but it is known.

I suspect the officer that did try to say something may be a good cop but two of them were fairly recent hires in the past couple of years. The two that have had the complaints that have been brought out are more (length wise) senior officers. It in no way excuses any of the officers one bit but I can see where it could be hard to go up against a "superior" when that very cop (the one who caused the death) has had other complaints where nothing happened to him and all was "forgiven" or shoved under the rug by higher ups and is your "superior".

Jmo.
 
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At the risk of shocking you, I agree with you to a point here although I see different reasons for some of it. I don't believe all cops are dirty nor the vast majority but I am in no denial that there are dirty cops. I have seen good and bad. I have seen abuse of power. I have also seen wonderful majorly go above and beyond the call of duty helpful type of officers.

I think part of the problem is that the good cops could stand up and do the right thing, however, if they are in a "bad" department, they would probably find themselves out of a job with some reason given if they go against another officer and even more so, if it is a superior, depending on the department itself. This department here was under a lot of fire during the Noor case with major calls for change and things were looked into in depth, even going beyond that case, and changes were called for that probably were not made. That may be too simplistic, as it is a large metro department but it is known.

I suspect the officer that did try to say something may be a good cop but two of them were fairly recent hires in the past couple of years. The two that have had the complaints that have been brought out are more (length wise) senior officers. It in no way excuses any of the officers one bit but I can see where it could be hard to go up against a "superior" when that very cop (the one who caused the death) has had other complaints where nothing happened to him and all was "forgiven" or shoved under the rug by higher ups and is your "superior".

Jmo.

I have no problem with cops letting each other off for speeding tickets and minor things like that, but when cops cover up felonies for each other all of them are bad cops. Good cops who come forward are often harassed by the "other" good cops who see them as rats.
 
I have no problem with cops letting each other off for speeding tickets and minor things like that, but when cops cover up felonies for each other all of them are bad cops. Good cops who come forward are often harassed by the "other" good cops who see them as rats.
I agree, that is exactly the problem is the ones who try to stand up or do right are harassed or are even let go if the overall culture of the particular department is bad rather than good...

I will say in defense of LE that it cannot be an easy job particularly these days. We can't have cops that are wimps with what they have to face but that is one extreme and brutality is too far to the other extreme.

In this case, it was wrong all of the way around. Clearly, as well, this officer had been in question before. Maybe more than a hand slap (if that) should have been given on those occasions... Smh.

That complaint is unlike anything I have ever seen as well.

All jmo.
 

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