JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee
www.eastidahonews.com

The latest timeline in the cases of Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.
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GrandmaBear said:
She said to Chad at one point he was really getting off track. He said to her, the church knows what I'm doing, they haven't told me to stop so I'm good...

More than once.
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I remember that part, and I think he was just lying. I don’t believe the church knew exactly what he was doing. I could be wrong, though. Maybe their ward is into that crazy stuff, but the church as a whole sticks to a more conservative doctrine.
 
Kimster said:
Not sure what they need to address? They have excommunicated Chad, which says they don’t believe in his wild ideas.
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They didn't ex-communicate him in any timely manner though in listening to the SIL last night. And even supported him or said oh well when others were asking wth...

I think they have a lot to address and explain. Jmo.
 
Tresir said:
No, I specifically looked for them. It may not be up to date though, and it's wiki so anyone can edit it.

Regarding Heather, she said absolutely nobody was interested until the kids bodies were found.

What was Heather's maiden name, do you know?
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I don't have time but I think she actually mentioned her maiden name in that video I have been referring to and sharing since last night. She said at a point she asked her husband if he would be okay if she went back to using it because media, etc. and this case and what they were dealing with was so bad... I don't recall what it was though.
 
GrandmaBear said:
They didn't ex-communicate him in any timely manner though in listening to the SIL last night. And even supported him or said oh well when others were asking wth...

I think they have a lot to address and explain. Jmo.
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It would be nice if they would make a public statement but I doubt that’s gonna happen. I heard that Chad was excommunicated through Nate Eaton. He’s mentioned it more than once.
 
Kimster said:
I don’t think he’s very bright, either. I mean really? Burying the bodies in your own yard. I’ll bet when they didn’t do an autopsy on Tammy right away, he thought he was really really bright.
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yeah yet his kids say that's why he is innocent because he was too BRIGHT/SMART to be dumb enough to do such a thing...

kind of a mixed bag of opinion there.

i think like many he is bright in some ways.... manipulative, playing a certain type of person--not all would fall for him but apparently certain types maybe...
 
Kimster said:
I’ve seen it, but I need to watch it again.
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I was pretty sure I had seen it or at least part one or part but through most of it I felt I hadn't. In the second half of it though, some things (not all) I definitely had heard before but I think it is because others have said them and she has spoken before and recently and some of those things were things I had heard before. Nevertheless much of it I felt I hadn't or had forgot. A LOT of it.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I was pretty sure I had seen it or at least part one or part but through most of it I felt I hadn't. In the second half of it though, some things (not all) I definitely had heard before but I think it is because others have said them and she has spoken before and recently and some of those things were things I had heard before. Nevertheless much of it I felt I hadn't or had forgot. A LOT of it.
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I think it’s good to revisit it because I probably have learned more about the case since I saw the first time.
 
Tresir said:
They believe in preparing for the 144k being left after everyone else has died though don't they? And I don't think he was excommunicated until he was arrested.
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The problem with these offshoot cults of all religions is that they are twisting the current doctrine to fit what they want to benefit themselves. I have not seen where are Mormons believe 144000 will happen before the tribulation. Chad was twisting the doctrine to make himself a god.

I’m not Mormon at all, but I’ve studied cults and this twisted evil has occurred time and time again.

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Tresir said:
They believe in preparing for the 144k being left after everyone else has died though don't they? And I don't think he was excommunicated until he was arrested.
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Correct, he was excommunicated after the arrest. If the church knew about what he was doing before his arrest, then I have to absolutely agree with you. He should’ve been excommunicated, and they should speak out as to why they didn’t pay attention to him.
 
Kimster said:
I remember that part, and I think he was just lying. I don’t believe the church knew exactly what he was doing. I could be wrong, though. Maybe their ward is into that crazy stuff, but the church as a whole sticks to a more conservative doctrine.
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I think they are very aware of what their members are doing, at least as it relates to when they meet at church or related activities, go to temple, do ward activities, and things like podcasts, preparing the people, avow, etc. I have no doubt they knew of Chad's claimed visions, books, near death experience, etc. From all I have ever understood and not just in this case, they are very involved and maybe even too much so monitoring and keeping tabs on people.

Some of this stuff WAS and IS part of their beliefs and doctrine and it only disappeared (didn't) like polygamy, etc. because of outside pressure and laws. That case I put up recently, first thread I have started in some time, Nate started to cover when it comes to divorce and kids and the church "owning" the kids basically, the parents don't, the church does, and using its control and power is not an uncommon thing. It happens when one is trying to leave the religion, take the kids, leave their marriage and/or divorce. Very similar as to when one tries to leave a cult or Scientology, etc. Here comes the power, the control and your kids or something is gone after.

I honestly compare them a lot to a cult. I'm sorry and I don't believe every member is such by a long shot but I think they haven't seen the deeper stuff or were raised in it is why and that's why yes there are a lot of good people in the religion... I also realize we could say similar things about any religion and extremists outside that religion but it isn't quite the same.

I've seen no churches of my faith trying to interfere ever with keeping the kids or interfering in a divorce nor most others I can think of NOR thinking they or their religion "owns" the kids. That is cult like and they can't have them leaving the flock.

I will go so far as to say though even in our own religions, our local level and own church may be quite good and well intended but what goes on at the top levels of Lutheran, Catholic and more and the sheer power and money it is really all about now is shocking and no, I don't know it all but the things that I have learned these past years is eye opening and shocking.

I am almost anti nonprofit these days. I could go sideways there but I will leave it.

To get back on track, the Mackenzie Lueck case, she was LDS as was her family... And where did her murderer come from and how was it he came to this country and who backed him for the sheer $$ and numbers (not just him but many) and I'm sure they still do it in mass numbers... The church. We think this case is gruesome? What he did to her was as gruesome, I don't know which would win the contest. Of course they bring them in to convert from another country but somehow he was never watched or joined in after that except to meet women.

Interestingly many blamed his barbarian torture, dismemberment, etc. on him coming from a country with such waves or savage ways if I recall but isn't it interesting Chad and group burned, dismembered, tortured as well and they never came in from another country... Was it his other country these ways or thoughts came from or.... I mean Chad and Lori never lived elsewhere and were LDS... Trying to eradicate a demon or zomibe... I'm not going to go into anything beyond this with this but the pelvic area of the girls seemed to be a target... She was no demon but neither was Tylee, they were young women and in Tylee's case a young girl...

I don't know. I have a ton of family members and friends who are Catholic but look at the priest scandal. Of COURSE it has nothing to do with them and just like LDS I am sure there are plenty of good people in the religion BUT these things often make members look deeper into what is really going on and many leave also...

Some never have reason or see anything wrong so they just coast along in their beliefs, with their faith and church, and never see anything too bad or reason to question.

I know I am Christian because I was raised in it but would we have been if not? I have wondered about proof etc. and looked for it in my life as one gets older and I think there is evidence of it. LDS believes in God and Christ, as do the Catholics but it seems to me they have people in their own bunch who get put on pedestals...

Just rambling. Been a heck of a weekend and a disjointed morning and no WATER with no notice when I need to shower for work.
 
Kimster said:
I remember that part, and I think he was just lying. I don’t believe the church knew exactly what he was doing. I could be wrong, though. Maybe their ward is into that crazy stuff, but the church as a whole sticks to a more conservative doctrine.
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I mean this in the nicest of ways, not an attack by any means, but just looking at things for what they are. This was a hugely polygamous religion, not the breakoffs or any cults that came after, it is what it was. Yet at the same time no sex before marriage... No alcohol and a lot of other rules. And that polygamy included young teen girls, etc.

Jared from AWP is Mormon. And molested young girls, relatives. I KNOW I can't say it is the religion but there quite simply ARE things in it that lend to such imo. More so than others. The very founder was a teen and a polygamist. Who had a spiritual vision.

Now of COURSE there have been many fanatics etc. that have come from other religions. Break offs, etc. But in this one it IS in the ways and teachings and beliefs, very much of it.
 
Kimster said:
IIRC, the 144000 mentioned in the Bible, are some Jewish people after the tribulation starts. The tribulation hasn’t started and neither are Chad and Lori Jewish. At least not in this life. Maybe their next one? :rolleyes:
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Kimster said:
I remember that part, and I think he was just lying. I don’t believe the church knew exactly what he was doing. I could be wrong, though. Maybe their ward is into that crazy stuff, but the church as a whole sticks to a more conservative doctrine.
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I am pretty sure the church knew what they were doing.

The Daybells were or are active members of the Latter-day Saint Church. Both are also part of an off-shoot group with "doomsday" beliefs where members believe they need to gather the chosen 144,000 for the second coming of Jesus Christ in July of 2020. Read Means' statement here.
“The LDS Church has tainted the Court’s ability for full disclosure by LDS witnesses, evidence procurement, jury pool and the like,” Means wrote.
That, in turn, affects our guaranteed basic fundamental right of right to an impartial jury and the lawful and controlling presumption of innocence until proven guilty.​
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“By way of issuing this correspondence on the second day of a preliminary hearing the LDS Church has told approximately 26% of the residents of the State of Idaho to contact Church legal counsel to enter into a code of silence and to only discuss their potential knowledge of this case and any other civil or criminal case after filtering said ‘knowledge’ through the lens that is the LDS Church,” Means wrote.
These LDS residents make up possible jury pool members, witnesses, judges, prosecutors, police officers, detectives, deputies, police chiefs/captains, and other elected and nonelected officials throughout the State of Idaho.​
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"It is clear in said correspondence that the concern of the LDS church is focused on itself not being implicated in legal matters.” and or incurring damages by way of 'involvement' in said legal matters. This concern is in direct conflict with religious organization putting the interests of its member(s) first and foremost," Means wrote.
Means called the Church’s policy “disturbing, and at worst, criminal." He said it goes against Church doctrine that Latter-day Saints should “strictly obey every law of God, including the constitutional laws of the land in which he lives, and do it with a good and honest heart.”
 
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