JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell GUILTY

GrandmaBear · May 1, 2023

Kimster said:
The problem with these offshoot cults of all religions is that they are twisting the current doctrine to fit what they want to benefit themselves. I have not seen where are Mormons believe 144000 will happen before the tribulation. Chad was twisting the doctrine to make himself a god.

I’m not Mormon at all, but I’ve studied cults and this twisted evil has occurred time and time again.

Chapter 54: Revelation 4–11

Chapter 54: Revelation 4–11

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The one thing different about this "cult" is they were in the church and very active members while doing so. Most cults start their own thing and break from the church. They almost seemed to be endorsed...

RoundPeg · May 1, 2023

Tresir said:
Lori's hair on tape from the plastic bag around JJ.

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To clarify what I reported earlier: the tape with Lori's hair was found on the outside of the black plastic bag wrapped around JJ's body. We know that duct tape was used on JJ's wrists, ankles and mouth. More tape was also used on the plastic wrapped around his body.

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Kimster · May 1, 2023

Tresir said:
Lori's hair on tape from the plastic bag around JJ.

Nate Eaton
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To clarify what I reported earlier: the tape with Lori's hair was found on the outside of the black plastic bag wrapped around JJ's body. We know that duct tape was used on JJ's wrists, ankles and mouth. More tape was also used on the plastic wrapped around his body.

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I'm SO GLAD they have some physical evidence of Lori that leads directly to where JJ was buried! There are some jurors who can't get behind a conviction unless there is physical evidence involved.

GrandmaBear · May 1, 2023

Tresir said:
I am pretty sure the church knew what they were doing.

The Daybells w

GrandmaBear · May 1, 2023

Tresir said:
I am pretty sure the church knew what they were doing.

The Daybells were or are active members of the Latter-day Saint Church. Both are also part of an off-shoot group with "doomsday" beliefs where members believe they need to gather the chosen 144,000 for the second coming of Jesus Christ in July of 2020. Read Means' statement here.
“The LDS Church has tainted the Court’s ability for full disclosure by LDS witnesses, evidence procurement, jury pool and the like,” Means wrote.

“By way of issuing this correspondence on the second day of a preliminary hearing the LDS Church has told approximately 26% of the residents of the State of Idaho to contact Church legal counsel to enter into a code of silence and to only discuss their potential knowledge of this case and any other civil or criminal case after filtering said ‘knowledge’ through the lens that is the LDS Church,” Means wrote.

"It is clear in said correspondence that the concern of the LDS church is focused on itself not being implicated in legal matters.” and or incurring damages by way of 'involvement' in said legal matters. This concern is in direct conflict with religious organization putting the interests of its member(s) first and foremost," Means wrote.
Means called the Church’s policy “disturbing, and at worst, criminal." He said it goes against Church doctrine that Latter-day Saints should “strictly obey every law of God, including the constitutional laws of the land in which he lives, and do it with a good and honest heart.”

Means said a lot about it and he ended up removed from the case didn't he...

The church is thick with this. And the very first sentence in your post talks of an offshot, not a break off group and as I keep saying they were ACTIVE members in the church. Church was well aware of the doomsday stuff. Not only this but members were recruited that were met at church, etc. and members were church members. They used the church and membership in it to back or as backing for their groups, podcasts, etc. At no time did the church raise issue with it. Or his books. His teachings. Or those of others. Imo.

Tresir · May 1, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
Means said a lot about it and he ended up removed from the case didn't he...

The church is thick with this. And the very first sentence in your post talks of an offshot, not a break off group and as I keep saying they were ACTIVE members in the church. Church was well aware of the doomsday stuff. Not only this but members were recruited that were met at church, etc. and members were church members. They used the church and membership in it to back or as backing for their groups, podcasts, etc. At no time did the church raise issue with it. Or his books. His teachings. Or those of others. Imo.

I do think it could be why Means was replaced. I know the church was aware of these groups, the podcasts, the prepping etc. People paid money to see these people talk at conferences. Chad and Lori met at one of these conferences. Books were sold, etc etc.

Tresir · May 1, 2023

This article discusses the removal of Means from representing Chad after his arrest but then he still represented Lori for a while after that till Boyce declared it a conflict of interest.

Lori Vallow Daybell’s privately hired attorney kicked off the case - KTVZ

By Daybell Case Click here for updates on this story ST. ANTHONY (eastidahonews.com) — A judge ruled Tuesday that Lori Vallow Daybell’s privately hired attorney Mark Means can no longer represent her. The decision by District Judge Steven Boyce came in a 17-page document after prosecutors...

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Tresir · May 1, 2023

So no Chad DNA so far. Only Lori and Alex up to now. Chad's land and tools were used though and he was at the scene.

Kimster · May 1, 2023

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EastIdahoNews.com reached out to the church, but spokesman Sam Penrod declined to comment on the issue.

But it’s likely that leaders are concerned. MormonLeaks, a transparency website that publishes unofficial church documents, shows local leaders asking general leaders in Salt Lake City for guidance in dealing with members who are preaching things not sanctioned by the church. Read more about the documents here.

“A lot of these groups continue to function without much oversight or much discipline from the church, even though we know church leaders know they are there,” Mason said. “The general church leadership is concerned about these groups, but they are not quite sure what to do with them or how to rein them in.”

Mason said the members of these groups are savvy about rooting their unorthodox beliefs in just enough mainstream teachings that they don’t call attention to themselves.

“They don’t openly challenge church leaders,” he said. “They get away with a lot because they try to put themselves into the tradition of church leaders, rather than contrary to them. They are skillful in trying to demonstrate that they are not just part of the church, but are actually the real true church.”
Much more at link:

A look at the religious circle surrounding Chad and Lori Daybell - East Idaho News

Watch EastIdahoNews.com reporter Nate Eaton interview “Jessica” in the video player above. In our coverage of Chad and Lori Vallow Daybell and her missing children, JJ Vallow and Tylee Ryan, people who have known them say they have extreme religious beliefs and are members of a doomsday “cult.”...

www.eastidahonews.com

This is an article by East Idaho News before the kids were found that y'all might want to peruse as information regarding "extremism" in the Mormon church. (I prefer calling it "cultism"). It also addresses comments made at that time about what Chad was teaching.

Tresir · May 1, 2023

Very interesting. Alex's movements based on cell phone analysis. Also purchases analysed that indicate a ski mask amongst his purchases.

They are nailing it.

Tresir · May 1, 2023

Kimster said:
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EastIdahoNews.com reached out to the church, but spokesman Sam Penrod declined to comment on the issue.

But it’s likely that leaders are concerned. MormonLeaks, a transparency website that publishes unofficial church documents, shows local leaders asking general leaders in Salt Lake City for guidance in dealing with members who are preaching things not sanctioned by the church. Read more about the documents here.

“A lot of these groups continue to function without much oversight or much discipline from the church, even though we know church leaders know they are there,” Mason said. “The general church leadership is concerned about these groups, but they are not quite sure what to do with them or how to rein them in.”

Mason said the members of these groups are savvy about rooting their unorthodox beliefs in just enough mainstream teachings that they don’t call attention to themselves.

“They don’t openly challenge church leaders,” he said. “They get away with a lot because they try to put themselves into the tradition of church leaders, rather than contrary to them. They are skillful in trying to demonstrate that they are not just part of the church, but are actually the real true church.”
Much more at link:

A look at the religious circle surrounding Chad and Lori Daybell - East Idaho News

Watch EastIdahoNews.com reporter Nate Eaton interview “Jessica” in the video player above. In our coverage of Chad and Lori Vallow Daybell and her missing children, JJ Vallow and Tylee Ryan, people who have known them say they have extreme religious beliefs and are members of a doomsday “cult.”...

www.eastidahonews.com

This is an article by East Idaho News before the kids were found that y'all might want to peruse as information regarding "extremism" in the Mormon church. (I prefer calling it "cultism"). It also addresses comments made at that time about what Chad was teaching.

I have read this before. I remember "Jessica", the "energy" work (Zulema and Julie Rowe did energy work IIRC) and the whole BS of buying the supplies.

"The couple cashed out their retirement to buy two large canvas tents and invest in a year’s supply of food, charcoal, fuel and a wide variety of survival gear. She estimates they spent between $15,000 to $20,000 on emergency preparation supplies.

“Jessica” and her husband spent $15,000 to $20,000 building up supplies, including a year’s supply of charcoal. | Courtesy photo

“We believed there would be a time that we would be called out, and if we weren’t, there would be a time that these items would be needed,” she said.

Later, stress became a constant companion at her job, and she felt she was approaching a mental breakdown. She went to her employer for advice, and he set her up with a counselor — not a conventional therapist, but an energy worker who did counseling sessions twice weekly and even had her boss help cast evil spirits out of her."

So they take all their money then sell the energy counselling sessions when they are broke and stressed out.

Kimster · May 1, 2023

Tresir said:
I have read this before. I remember "Jessica", the "energy" work (Zulema and Julie Rowe did energy work IIRC) and the whole BS of buying the supplies.

"The couple cashed out their retirement to buy two large canvas tents and invest in a year’s supply of food, charcoal, fuel and a wide variety of survival gear. She estimates they spent between $15,000 to $20,000 on emergency preparation supplies.

“Jessica” and her husband spent $15,000 to $20,000 building up supplies, including a year’s supply of charcoal. | Courtesy photo

“We believed there would be a time that we would be called out, and if we weren’t, there would be a time that these items would be needed,” she said.

Later, stress became a constant companion at her job, and she felt she was approaching a mental breakdown. She went to her employer for advice, and he set her up with a counselor — not a conventional therapist, but an energy worker who did counseling sessions twice weekly and even had her boss help cast evil spirits out of her."

So they take all their money then sell the energy counselling sessions when they are broke and stressed out.

I glossed over it a long time ago, but now (in hindsight) it makes more sense. And I can better understand why some want the Mormon church to speak out. Sounds like they do need to get a handle on their fringe groups! Perhaps lives could have been saved.

Guess Who · May 1, 2023

Tresir said:
Lori's hair on tape from the plastic bag around JJ.

Nate Eaton
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To clarify what I reported earlier: the tape with Lori's hair was found on the outside of the black plastic bag wrapped around JJ's body. We know that duct tape was used on JJ's wrists, ankles and mouth. More tape was also used on the plastic wrapped around his body.

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Tresir · May 1, 2023

Significant dates to compare to the testimony about Alex's phone movements and receipts in the thread reader app below.

Sep 9 Tylee's death, dismemberment, burning and burial. Raccoon text.
Sep 23 JJ's death and burial
Oct 2 failed shooting on Brandon
Oct 2 Lori purchases wedding ring
Oct 3 Tammy's dead Grandma visits Chad
Oct 4 and 5 Tammy visits Springfield
Oct 9 failed shooting by man in ski mask
Oct 19 Tammy's death
Oct 23 Tammy's funeral
Nov 5 beach wedding

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Tresir · May 1, 2023

The medical examiner gives evidence of the bruising on Tammy's upper body and arms.

DAY 19 | LIVE UPDATES: Medical examiner who performed Tammy Daybell's autopsy takes the stand - East Idaho News

LIVE UPDATES FROM THE LORI VALLOW DAYBELL TRIAL 3:26 p.m. Court is adjourned. Some big developments today. I’ll break it all down tonight on ‘Courtroom Insider.’ Join me at 7:30 p.m. on the EastIdahoNews.com YouTube channel and my Facebook page. You can watch previous episodes here. 3:25 p.m...

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3:05 p.m. More photos are shown of the bruising on Tammy’s body. Some of the photos are shown to the entire courtroom, others are not. Christensen explains the injuries.

3:04 p.m. Christensen says the injuries on Tammy’s body occurred around the time of death.

3:02 p.m. Christensen says it’s more than likely the bruises were on Tammy’s body before she died because once circulation stops, it’s much harder to cause a hemmorage.

2:58 p.m. The next picture is the front side of Tammy’s right forearm with a bruise. Other photos show more bruising on Tammy’s arms.

2:56 p.m. The first photo shows Tammy’s left upper chest with a bruise. We are not shown the image but Christensen describes it. The next picture shows a closer view of the bruise. We see this image. It is black/dark blue. The following photo will not be shown but it’s her upper arm with bruises on her right bicep. The following photo is a close-up of the bruise and we see the picture. We now see an image of Tammy’s right forearm with bruises on it.

2:51 p.m. Blake now wants to show close-up photos of the bruises found on Tammy’s body.

2:50 p.m. On the diagram of the back, there are bruises on the back of the right upper arm, one on the lower part of the arm and one on the left arm.

2:48 p.m. The exhibits are now being shown on the screen. We see a diagram of the front of Tammy’s body. Christensen marked three blue dots representing bruises on Tammy’s upper right arm, a blue dot on the lower right arm, a mark on the chest above her left breast and a blue dot on the left arm over the bicep.

2:45 p.m. Christensen has finished marking the exhibit. Blake asks the diagrams be shown to the court.

2:42 p.m. Blake gives Christensen a paper diagram to mark where he located the bruises on Tammy’s body. Boyce asks what he is using to mark the sheet. Christensen responds that it’s a blue pen.

2:41 p.m. “Whatever caused the pulmonary edema would be the cause of death,” Christensen explains. He says this played a part in him determining asphyxia was the cause of death.

2:39 p.m. The pink foam is a manifestation of pulmonary edema, Christensen says. He has conducted other autopsies where this foam has been present. Pulmonary edema is a physical manifestation of an underlying process. “We most commonly see this kind of setting in opioid intoxication and can be seen in drownings, heart failure, any number of things that can cause pulmonary edema.”

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Tresir · May 2, 2023

Tresir · May 2, 2023

Melani Pawlowski Seen Entering Idaho Courthouse

Lori Vallow Daybell's niece, who is expected to be called to testify in the murder trial, was seen entering the Ada County Courthouse.

www.courttv.com

Tresir · May 2, 2023

I was just doing some googling for Garth and came across this. Surprised it is still up but I think this is a fitting memorial to Tammy.

12- “Don’t forget about me!” | cdaybell.com

12- “Don’t forget about me!”

September 4, 2015
Soon after Tammy and I were married, she accepted a full-time secretarial position with Springville City. The city leaders realized it was time to computerize all of the old hand-written cemetery cards, as well as double-check their accuracy. It was more work than Tammy could do on a part-time basis, so they created the new position. The job came with full insurance benefits, and it was a blessing to us.
I was still on scholarship and progressing through BYU’s journalism program. I was offered the Assistant City Editor position at The Daily Universe beginning Fall Semester 1991, and suddenly Tammy and I felt rich. We were eating out a lot, going to concerts, buying whole boxes of Symphony candy bars at Sam’s Club, and so on. Life was great!

Tammy and I around the time of our first wedding anniversary.
I was just enjoying living “in the now.” For once, I had put the future out of my mind. I had an adorable, loving wife, we both had good jobs, and we were having a lot of fun. Then came the announcement I’d been hoping to postpone for another year or two. Tammy said, “I feel it’s time we start our family.”
“Are you sure?” I asked. “Shouldn’t we wait until I have a solid job?”
“I feel our children are ready to come,” she said firmly, and I knew not to argue. We soon had a child on the way.

Our oldest son Garth attended my BYU graduation—in Tammy’s tummy.
Fast forward a few months later to my BYU graduation. Tammy was due in a month, and I was still worried how everything was going to work out. She told me she had prayed about it and was going to quit her job when the baby was born. She was confident I would find a job to support the family. I should have trusted her. She doesn’t have dreams or visions, but when the Spirit confirms something to her, I pay attention.
Garth was born in late May, and we loved our new little son. The Copy Editor job at the Ogden Standard-Examiner materialized within a month, and we moved to Weber County. As I outlined in an earlier post, the new job had a few pros and cons. Tammy and I were getting along fine, but Garth was actually turning into a wild child. He would get into the kitchen cupboards and dump everything out, particularly syrup. He was also a master climber. If he saw Tammy put cookies in the cupboard above the fridge, he’d find a way to get them when she wasn’t looking.

Garth was a bit of a handful as a child.
After one particularly challenging day, I went to the Ogden Temple to pray and contemplate my family’s future. I was blessed to receive a special vision where I was shown our children many years down the road. The kids seemed to be in their early 20s to late teens, and they were wearing Church clothes. It seemed to be a special event.
I watched them interact with each other from about 10 feet away. I recognized Garth, and he still had lighter hair. He was talking to a taller young man with brown hair. There were also two girls in the dream. The older one had dark short hair, and she was smiling at a girl with blonde hair. The four kids talked among themselves for a moment, then a brown-haired boy in his early teens came skipping into the room saying, “Don’t forget about me! Don’t forget about me!”
He joined the four others and smiled in my direction. This boy was the exact image of our son Mark, right down to the mischievous smile. I knew I was seeing the five children that Tammy and I would raise. It was neat to see their hair color and even their personalities. I went home and told Tammy about the vision, it brought great peace of mind to us that Garth might someday behave!
A few years later we were living in Springville again. I had taken the cemetery sexton job, and Tammy was eight months along with our fourth child, Leah.
I got an urgent call one morning at work that Tammy felt something was wrong. Her mom Phyllis was taking her to the Payson Hospital and I should meet her there.
When I arrived, Tammy was in a hospital gown waiting for her doctor to see her. She was lying on a bed and explained how she felt something pop deep inside her. As we talked, she suddenly started bleeding heavily, and it turned into a frantic situation. I gave her a quick priesthood blessing, then the nurses rushed her into an operating room. Phyllis and I got out of the way and then waited anxiously. I snuck down the hall and peered through the room’s small window. All I could see was the top of Tammy’s head as several nurses and two doctors surrounded her. I was scared, but I also felt it wasn’t Tammy’s time to die.
Within a couple of minutes, Leah was born via emergency Caesarean section about four weeks early. She was a tiny little thing, but she rebounded quickly and soon was the same size as other children her age. Needless to say, the doctor told us that Tammy was done having kids. He’d had to slice through her stomach muscles to save Leah, and combined with other factors, he advised her against ever getting pregnant again.
At the time, I was just relieved Tammy and Leah were okay, but lingering in the back of my mind was the sing-song chant of “Don’t forget about me!”
I didn’t press the issue, but Tammy hadn’t forgot about the vision either. We had some serious concerns, especially after Leah’s traumatic birth, but we also had faith the Lord would watch over her. Tammy became pregnant in the summer of 1999, and thankfully there were few complications. Mark was born in March 2000. It strengthened our testimony to see how each child fit into that vision, and we knew that our family was now complete.
That vision was so implanted on my mind that it has been a little eerie to see the kids become the people I had seen. However, I had never seen all five kids together at once like I had in the vision. When Garth departed on his mission to Oklahoma in 2011, Mark was still a small boy. Then Emma left on her mission to Tennessee before Garth returned. With the lowering of mission ages, Seth was getting ready to leave on his mission in June, before Emma got home. It looked like we’d have a stretch of nearly six years without having all five children home at the same time. I began to wonder if the dream was simply symbolic.

Our five children on the night Seth (in the middle) was set apart as a missionary. As I watched them, my vision from more than two decades earlier was fulfilled.
Then we received word that Emma had contracted a serious illness on her mission and needed to return home a few months early. We picked her up at the airport in December 2013, and she was pale and deathly ill. It took her several months to recover.
Meanwhile, Seth had received his mission call to Virginia. The night that Seth was set apart as a missionary, the five kids all put on mission badges and posed together. As I watched them, I got emotional, realizing the day had finally arrived I’d seen in my vision. I was so grateful Mark had not been forgotten!
In my next post, I will delve into some of the interesting experiences I had while working as a cemetery sexton.

GrandmaBear · May 2, 2023

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Melani Pawlowski Seen Entering Idaho Courthouse

Lori Vallow Daybell's niece, who is expected to be called to testify in the murder trial, was seen entering the Ada County Courthouse.

www.courttv.com

Oh boy. I'd sure like to see that one but in the same breath not. I am real curious to see how the judge gets her to give a straight answer or if he can. She talks a big word salad takes it around in a circle and when she finishes you realize she never answered the question. Not sure I can take her but I am also curious to listen to it (rather watch though) and see if the judge admonishes and whether he can get her to answer the questions directly and just answer the questions.

Maybe she will surprise me but I doubt it. Maybe her circular talking was only because it was TV, etc.

Does anyone think the will call Ian?

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