JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

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I think it’s going to depend on whether the jury believes her or not. When I listened to that portion last night, it sounded a bit dramatic to me, but then again, Nate said she was crying through the whole testimony already.
I haven't actually heard her. I don't think overall it probably matters much but maybe it does because it resonates and in a way ties Lori to Ty\lee's death as that's exactly what she was, CUT UP, as she threatened to do to Audrey. The remark about it making a mess is something she also would have already known due to Tylee so I guess it could have a huge impact.

I think though it is all already there without her dramatic statement.

While it isn't difficult to believe Lori said that, not one BIT difficult, it is all a bit odd and she should have felt somewhat safe since they were already in jail on high bond...
 
Nate said again last night that alex and chads phones were off for a period of time the night that Tammy died. He said that Alex had bought a burner phone just before that. I can’t remember if @Tresir said they could track the burner phones or not?
Am I just tired because the only reason I can come up with for Chad's phone to be off is IF HE left the house when he tried to claim he was asleep with Tammy, etc...

Any other reason I'm just not with it enough to think of?

What was the time frame for his off?
 
Or even just plain make believe to get people to do what they want and to create a world that worships Chad and Lori, unencumbered by responsibilities and monetary restraints.

They aren’t crazy, they are despicably evil.
I 100 percent agree. I think of it as far more of a CON than that they believed their own sh*t.
 
I am trying to think of a reason why these recorded calls are not being played? Anyone understand why? Could it be because the participants of the calls did not know they were being recorded? Ian said in his testimony that he agreed to record the calls for LE because they were looking for two missing children.

Could it be grounds for an appeal ?
Prosecution doesn't appeal, only defendants/defense.

I don't like he didn't allow these and not sure why that would be.

MOST states now (not all) it is only required one person knows something is being recorded, meaning only Ian would need to know and he would need to be part of the conversation. Not sure what ID's law is on it. If they are not a one party state then that is likely the reason.
 
I think Ian was hamstrung and could not say very much. He was a police informer basically, I think. The police maybe provided his lawyer, but I don't know. In the UK, informers have a protected status.

Yes, you are right about the "that's great" comment. Here's an article where Nate is interviewed. He says that day changed his life.

I don't think police here ever provide anyone a lawyer and they certainly wouldn't have provided one for Ian imo.

I don't know what is going on but it seems to me much more should have been asked of Ian than it sounds as if was. However, since Boyce would not allow the recordings, that probably ties into whatever the reason is somehow...?
 
Prosecutors told her yesterday she could go home. She remains under subpoena and they could call her again. But for now seems they have decided not to have her testify...
 
What are these blessings that they keep talking about? I mean to bless somebody means to make them happy. I am not quite sure if these blessings are “spells” in their minds?
I don't know but the little I've heard tonight is they blessed Mel P a lot too. So in her case I'm guessing they made her "charmed", all would be good, she was good, etc. right?
 
Yeah heard earlier that Chad went to the school two days after Tammy's death to get the life insurance, the first business day. He is told he needs a death certificate and he said oh, I've already ordered 8 copies...
 

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