JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell GUILTY

GrandmaBear · Aug 10, 2023

Kimster said:
One thing Adam said that I thought was interesting was that the only one in the family who is in contact with her, as far as he knows, is her mother. And according to her mother, she is still delusional.

I had heard awhile back, was it from Adam or Rex, can't recall, that the parents are in contact with her weekly and talk of nothing but surface kind of chit chat. Now he mainly says the mom but yeah either way...

I think too in Summer's statement she wants to blame delusional and mental illness but walked a line with it because they know I feel to use that as an excuse for her is not okay or going to fly with anyone.

I don't doubt mom is putting money on the books for her at least as far as canteen, etc. I'm not even going to fault that.

But you know Adam thought at a point his entire family might have been involved in the thing with Charles and there certainly was a lot and were hints of such when having Alex there with Lori when Charles was coming, etc. and conversations with Summer and mom ahead of time and so forth that she should have Alex there or some such and here was Adam coming to town re Charles... I am just saying, I wouldn't necessarily go so far as to say they were involved, but they clearly, clearly fell for a lot of out there ******** from Lori and jumped to her aid and defense. They did so with Joe as well. Lori seemed to run her family... But they believed some awfully far fetched stuff and always that it was one sided EVERY single time when Lori was the common denominator in marriages, problems, abuse of her kids, custody battles, husbands that were bad per her, etc.

This is just a guess but Summer MAY be capable of coming through this and seeing it for what it really is to a certain point but I'm not sure the mom is. A lot has been said about their family as well and the kind of not normal ways of her parents... I suspect the mom uses denial or delusions of her own to deal with who and what Lori is. That's the nicest way I can put it.

They've had a lot of loss and a lot to face and almost all of it questionable. Stacey, Alex, a young daughter, Tylee, JJ, now Lori in a way. How could any normal parents not question where it went wrong or if they missed something or did something...That's a ton of grief at minimum. And in this family and case and how they died, it is more than that. And that's without Joe and Brandon and more...

In a lame attempt at some lightness, I think it all started with the boob job dad got her. The emphasis on appearance. The remarks of how their family was special and others were beneath. Okay, not humor. It came out as more sarcasm. Lori though has always thought herself special though imo AND didn't like it when others did not recognize this.

I'm starting to wander so I'll stop.

On Janice's behalf, I don't fault her as a mother for keeping in touch with Lori so long as it is just she is my child regardless of what she did and has nothing to do with enabling or assisting her in continuing her crap. I'd do the same. You don't condone the crap if true though which in this case it clearly is. You are however still the parent and that is your child and you care about them I'm sure.

GrandmaBear · Aug 10, 2023

Addressing niece Mel. This is a response, not an episode.

I'm not overly impressed. And maybe they don't know much but I find the response lacking. Not avoidant of her likely involvement but offering little. I have a lot of thoughts and comments as to Mel P. but dont' have it in me right now.

For one she was not raised with this family, her dad raised her until 15 anyhow which is about what Adam says.

I'm not saying they know more or anything, I'm just saying they don't offer much at all. Or just don't quite go there. They say they know and see what we all do, etc.

It's short. Worth a watch to see what you think and I hope you offer your opinion.

Cousin Dupree · Aug 10, 2023

I was wondering that now Lori is convicted, will Chad try to use it was all Lori's fault at trial?

GrandmaBear · Aug 10, 2023

Cousin Dupree said:
I was wondering that now Lori is convicted, will Chad try to use it was all Lori's fault at trial?

I personally think that very likely. Lori's or Lori and Alex. It's Alex known to be on his property. His trial is going to tell the story of whether he will not blame her in the same way she didn't use him. I wonder if it will break her heart if he does.... On the other hand, I often think the defenses worked together, like the speedy trial versus the delayed one although joined trial at that point...

On the other hand, more recently, some think Lori's remark in her statement that it was an accident, a suicide and a medication reaction was their story and the one Chad will use...

I think quite honestly he will go after her and Alex. I don't think this man has a loyal bone in his body and now that his loinfire isn't being put out and she looks more like a hag than a hottie he will bail and not think twice about it, plus I'm sure he has lied to his children about not being responsible although he likely wouldn't have to as they are likely totally indoctrinated and were by Chad already.

Do we think his trial will go off on time? I think it very fitting that it is April Fool's Day. Just saying...

GrandmaBear · Aug 12, 2023

Haven't watched yet and won't get to until later at least. They have a male cousin on it.

Mel70 · Aug 12, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
Lori Hellis is saying rumor has it Lori is pretty nervous about transfer to Arizona. I gather she is going to Maricopa County/Phoenix area, did I know that?? Not sure. BIG, BIG jail, not the same as where she was at all...

Not sure where the rumor comes from but she generally doesn't give false info (Lori Hellis) or hype things...

Since when does Lori worry....

When someone threatened her with black hair dye. Well, I'd be nervous about that too actually. UH UH!!! I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A NATURAL BLONDE!

Mel70 · Aug 12, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
Addressing niece Mel. This is a response, not an episode.

I'm not overly impressed. And maybe they don't know much but I find the response lacking. Not avoidant of her likely involvement but offering little. I have a lot of thoughts and comments as to Mel P. but dont' have it in me right now.

For one she was not raised with this family, her dad raised her until 15 anyhow which is about what Adam says.

I'm not saying they know more or anything, I'm just saying they don't offer much at all. Or just don't quite go there. They say they know and see what we all do, etc.

It's short. Worth a watch to see what you think and I hope you offer your opinion.

Keep bringing me up GBEAR!!!

Mel70 · Aug 12, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
Addressing niece Mel. This is a response, not an episode.

I'm not overly impressed. And maybe they don't know much but I find the response lacking. Not avoidant of her likely involvement but offering little. I have a lot of thoughts and comments as to Mel P. but dont' have it in me right now.

For one she was not raised with this family, her dad raised her until 15 anyhow which is about what Adam says.

I'm not saying they know more or anything, I'm just saying they don't offer much at all. Or just don't quite go there. They say they know and see what we all do, etc.

It's short. Worth a watch to see what you think and I hope you offer your opinion.

HEY LOOK!!!

Mel70 · Aug 12, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
Haven't watched yet and won't get to until later at least. They have a male cousin on it.

I'm with you. I just can't concentrate on something that long right now. But I am very interested. Short Burts. Migraines bite.

GrandmaBear · Aug 12, 2023

Like all of them, it wasn't anything much. It was okay but nothing really new. Brax was/is into prepping himself and definitely was around the same types as Lori like Julie Rowe, Chad, etc. Chad called him to try to get him to mortgage his house to get Lori out, etc. Some other tidbits like that. Honestly, even though claiming one cousin went right and one left so to speak, he sounds a bit over the top with the prepping and reading these people's books on the end of the world himself BUT it is clear this is an LDS thing.

Most all of us know about Revelations and the end days but NO ONE knows when as far as I'm concerned.

It's okay, just nothing much offered. He said Chad was very dull and vanilla LOL.

Mel70 · Aug 12, 2023

Man! I can't keep up with this. Wow. I can't believe when people say they have never heard of this case.

Mel70 · Aug 12, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
Like all of them, it wasn't anything much. It was okay but nothing really new. Brax was/is into prepping himself and definitely was around the same types as Lori like Julie Rowe, Chad, etc. Chad called him to try to get him to mortgage his house to get Lori out, etc. Some other tidbits like that. Honestly, even though claiming one cousin went right and one left so to speak, he sounds a bit over the top with the prepping and reading these people's books on the end of the world himself BUT it is clear this is an LDS thing.

Most all of us know about Revelations and the end days but NO ONE knows when as far as I'm concerned.

It's okay, just nothing much offered. He said Chad was very dull and vanilla LOL.

Dull and vanilla.

Their belief system is definitely wayyyy out there. It doesn't even fit with anything conventional. Spaceships and she's a leader. What?. No Lori. No. Lior. Delusional on every level.

Kimster · Aug 13, 2023

Cousin Dupree said:
I was wondering that now Lori is convicted, will Chad try to use it was all Lori's fault at trial?

That would be my best guess and not just because she was convicted, but because one of his kids in that one interview they made sounded like they believe Lori and Alex were the master minds. I don’t know how they can get around their dad’s texts, but that’s for another day I guess.

Kimster · Aug 13, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
Haven't watched yet and won't get to until later at least. They have a male cousin on it.

That was really interesting. We used to have a couple that went to our church that were preppers, not Mormons, he seemed more like them. I never thought of it being an obsession, but after he was talking about it the way he did, the one person I knew did repeat often that everybody needed to have an arsenal of food and supplies in their house. They didn’t have a specific name or date of Armageddon, but they just believed in what the book of Revelations says.

I keep a small supply of food and such at my house and I’ve been thinking about getting a hand pump for my well. Not because I’m a prepper per se, but because there could be any number of things that could happen while I’m alive. Including an earthquake or a long power supply outage - things of that nature.

Kimster · Aug 13, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
Like all of them, it wasn't anything much. It was okay but nothing really new. Brax was/is into prepping himself and definitely was around the same types as Lori like Julie Rowe, Chad, etc. Chad called him to try to get him to mortgage his house to get Lori out, etc. Some other tidbits like that. Honestly, even though claiming one cousin went right and one left so to speak, he sounds a bit over the top with the prepping and reading these people's books on the end of the world himself BUT it is clear this is an LDS thing.

Most all of us know about Revelations and the end days but NO ONE knows when as far as I'm concerned.

It's okay, just nothing much offered. He said Chad was very dull and vanilla LOL.

You’re right, the Bible says no one knows the day or the hour.

I wonder how many people Chad called and asked to mortgage their houses for Lori? Man, he had it bad for her.

Kimster · Aug 13, 2023

I also agree with Brax about Chad being so dull and vanilla and then he has this blonde bombshell that’s interested in him so he had to constantly up the religious ante all the time to keep her interested. Barring the murders, and if they would’ve never been arrested, I wonder how long she would’ve been interested in him? Before fluttering off to the next Adornment in her eyes.

Guess Who · Aug 13, 2023

Kimster said:
That was really interesting. We used to have a couple that went to our church that were preppers, not Mormons, he seemed more like them. I never thought of it being an obsession, but after he was talking about it the way he did, the one person I knew did repeat often that everybody needed to have an arsenal of food and supplies in their house. They didn’t have a specific name or date of Armageddon, but they just believed in what the book of Revelations says.

I keep a small supply of food and such at my house and I’ve been thinking about getting a hand pump for my well. Not because I’m a prepper per se, but because there could be any number of things that could happen while I’m alive. Including an earthquake or a long power supply outage - things of that nature.

We are not "preppers" but we definitely do prepare for necessities. We could live fairly comfortably for at least several days.

Cousin Dupree · Aug 13, 2023

Kimster said:
You’re right, the Bible says no one knows the day or the hour.

I wonder how many people Chad called and asked to mortgage their houses for Lori? Man, he had it bad for her.

June 27th, 2256

GrandmaBear · Aug 13, 2023

Kimster said:
That would be my best guess and not just because she was convicted, but because one of his kids in that one interview they made sounded like they believe Lori and Alex were the master minds. I don’t know how they can get around their dad’s texts, but that’s for another day I guess.

It may be a combo/split of defenses because he would be a bit hard put to place Lori with Tammy since he admits to being with her and claims it was natural causes. Or even Alex for that matter as that would be like admitting both he and Alex were present when again, he claimed an entirely different story with Tammy.

We don't know that he won't stay loyal to Lori but I don't believe he will or has. With her now a lifer, there is no relationship he can have with her.

GrandmaBear · Aug 13, 2023

Kimster said:
That was really interesting. We used to have a couple that went to our church that were preppers, not Mormons, he seemed more like them. I never thought of it being an obsession, but after he was talking about it the way he did, the one person I knew did repeat often that everybody needed to have an arsenal of food and supplies in their house. They didn’t have a specific name or date of Armageddon, but they just believed in what the book of Revelations says.

I keep a small supply of food and such at my house and I’ve been thinking about getting a hand pump for my well. Not because I’m a prepper per se, but because there could be any number of things that could happen while I’m alive. Including an earthquake or a long power supply outage - things of that nature.

It's an entire thing and has been for a long time and it's also a big money maker selling whole kits of foods that keep forever, need nothing to make them ready to eat, etc. Canning and food storage supplies an dmore. And of course it isn't just LDS.

Covid along with many things has taught any of us at any given time we may not have access to things like toilet paper, not be able to go to the store, the store may not have stock or be open, etc.., etc.

I don't obsess but I've always been one that if I have one bottle of ketchup, you can figure I have two. If I have one package of TP open, I have one as a backup. But with little (no) money these last years I am not stocked up any more than that and with some things not at all. I'd be in trouble for instance in short order if I needed water, as I have none stocked.

So though, normal people and not just one type do stockpile for various reasons. As you say you could be without power for days or other things could occur.

But imo many things that relate to this and the end times are an emphasis with LDS and many of them are trying to be of import writing books, wanting and inventing visions, claiming to know the end time and very much selling people on the need to PREP.

No one knows the date and anyone who claims to in my opinion like Chad and Lori are full of b.s. Yet they'd have everyone hunkering down at some compound in Rexburg probably while they ran it from Hawaii and collected. Half sarcastic.

Brax himself read tons of books of people claiming to have visions and know things, etc. and admits to getting obsessed with prepping. Why and why believe the ones running these podcast and writing these books are saying truth? I don't know but I do know it is a huge LDS thing or their "fringe" people use it to make money that's for sure.

A few years back I saw something of Julie Rowe's I don't recall how, maybe watching someone's video on this case or something. I failed to see how anyone fell for her. To me I could see the thing was money, I found her far from believable and I didn't find a likable personality. I couldn't tell you the date of it, perhaps it was after Chad and Lori were known to have missing kids or long before, not sure. Personally I thought her a scam artist/con which is close to what I think of Chad and Lori.

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