JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

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Hmm. Yeah she left and another came on. Odd. You found my post from back then, so that was when this changed or thereabouts...?

I'll tell you if EVERY charge was at risk or had a glitch in it, I'd be HE77 bent on a rare thought of intentional, conspiracy, the church or some such but it was only one of many. Not insignificant by any means but it wouldn't get Chad off or out as he faces a lot more.

I still feel like they knew beforehand because as I said Blake was SOOOO shaky voiced and yet they said they tested so why would they say that if they knew? I think an argument may have ensued that they said the day before they would be resting after one more witness and they had no choice?

The whole end of things yesterday was odd. And Boyce NEVER stays late or keeps it late if he can help it and he did. No surprise though he gave today off.
I searched on my posts back till Jan and then found it. Thing is, if Blake knew then she wouldn't have rested the case would she? She would not have rested and would have mentioned it so it could be corrected surely?
 
I searched on my posts back till Jan and then found it. Thing is, if Blake knew then she wouldn't have rested the case would she? She would not have rested and would have mentioned it so it could be corrected surely?
Well that's what I would think BUT if Prior argued in sidebar or chambers or whatever it was that they SAID the day before they were resting after this witness....? No, I don't think the P would have rested if they knew and had a choice but I think something else went on here...
 
This is GOOD. I am going to have to rewatch as have had to get up and do things a few times as Nate plays it live. I don't think the interview is live but his playing It is.
 
Just finished the juror interviews and a must watch imo. I missed some moments and should rewatch but caught most all so probably won't right now. From all I heard and gathered and by instinct, Lori had a FAIR jury. One interesting thing was her take on Audrey Barriatero [unsure of spelling}. I actually held/hold the same opinion. This was just a GOOD interview and shows how responsible most jurors are imo.
 
Just finished the juror interviews and a must watch imo. I missed some moments and should rewatch but caught most all so probably won't right now. From all I heard and gathered and by instinct, Lori had a FAIR jury. One interesting thing was her take on Audrey Barriatero [unsure of spelling}. I actually held/hold the same opinion. This was just a GOOD interview and shows how responsible most jurors are imo.
I have the exact same opinion about AB also. I think she is lying when she says that about Lori threatening to kill her. It doesn’t sound like Lori’s style. Lori is sneaky, not confrontational.

I don’t think LE believed her either. Notice how they didn’t bring her back?
 
This was an interesting interview. Man, this former juror does not like Lori at ALL.

Interesting take she had on the death penalty. She doesn’t like the death penalty today because the system is not working right. I agree with her!
No she disgusts her totally. I think we can all relate lol.

It was very interesting. I did go back and watch it a second time as I hadn't seen it all as was doing things. Yesterday morn I did. Not sure that I finished it all but was into towards the end where I had caught it all the first time at that point anyhow. It was even worth the rewatch and I don't like rewatching most things.

Who can disagree about our system not working right, not just with the DP, I sure agree about that. It wouldn't necessarily stop me though from giving the DP to someone I felt deserved it. If for no other reason that the best chance the stay in prison for life I'd go for with the most solid sentence.

I'd say she was a solid juror and no one could ask for more.

Another interesting thing was when asked what witness stood out or whose testimony was important or something like that and without hesitation she said Zulema. Now I don't disagree, in either trial. I think both Mels and Davids are not nearly as solid or helpful. I don't like her or any of them though as I know and believe each and every one knows more and probably participated in more. AND the juror said even though she doesn't think all the truth was told, or ever would be (I don't have exact words, paraphrasing) a lot of what she did tell was truth and important and necessary. You can believe part but not believe they are sharing all so to speak. Zulema is one we all know or are pretty certain has an immunity agreement and imo probably needed one...That very agreement though also has her telling the truths she agreed to tell as failing the agreement loses her the agreement. Anyhow that was an interesting part and also shows jurors didn't fall for all about the others in this group or were not able to read between the lines that they were getting part of the story and involvement but probably not all.

Also how the minute they could all jurors were looking up the facts on the case and the articles and you name it on the van ride and the alternates had already started as dismissed and able to once a verdict came in or dismissed ahead of the others or whatever.

Just really good to watch and a lot of interest.
 
I have the exact same opinion about AB also. I think she is lying when she says that about Lori threatening to kill her. It doesn’t sound like Lori’s style. Lori is sneaky, not confrontational.

I don’t think LE believed her either. Notice how they didn’t bring her back?
Yeah Audrey. Even the timing of WHEN she blurted this as was pointed out very well. It was about the only time Archibadl showed passion and went at a witness, probably the only time Lori let him. Also I think Lori as much of a liar and evil ____ she is was angered at the untruth of it. Now I could see Lori doing this, I truly could, we haven't seen clips of her anger to speak of but there are times we've heard of it. There was a story, true one I think, of Alex and her one time in almost a brawl in their street or at least an out of control, neighbors seeing and hearing all argument. Then there is the account of how MAD she was when Alex missed, he can't do anything right, etc. She's venomous and when she gets a look and narrows her eyes, one can see that evil side so for me I can see her doing this to Audrey or anyone but even so, I don't buy it from Audrey. Man we are siding with Lori here, scary! It did make Audrey the biggest news and moment of that trial though and she stood out for a moment anyhow and even made headlines. As was pointed out this should have come up on many an occasion if true and certainly before cross in the case or was it recross. Yeah I doubt they will have her on here in Chad's...

It does show people aren't stupid and as much as we'd all like things that nail Lori or Chad and should have loved and embraced that, most don't believe it after letting it sink it and thinking about it. Juror says it, Nate tended to agree, we do, etc.

I intentionally didn't share much when I linked it as I wanted people to watch it and give their own takes for discussion. Now you have, not sure if anyone else has but I'll say more about it now with this as well. Prosecution talked to jurors after as they have every right to, anyone can if jurors agree and asked what parts were what mattered in the trial, what they didn't believe, just their overall opinions. I am going to guess they were told Audrey wasn't a plus among other things and so they go into this second trial with how jurors saw things, what confused, didn't work and so on. Perhaps even what they did not hear would have liked to hear asked or a witness they never heard from, etc. hard to say. She thinks it is better in this one and so I take that as a positive. Meaning a bit less confusing for jurors maybe and so on. I don't know how this case could ever be not confusing for a juror that knows nothing no matter who cleaned up and sensical you get it (is that a word, I know nonsensical is loll).

It's a must watch imo. Not like it is sensationalistic or some bombshell but it is very interesting and well worth it. It's reassuring to see that juries and most jurors are sane, take their jobs seriously, are logical, look hard at all and that the world isn't as off the all as we sometimes think. It sounds like this was a responsible and GOOD jury.

Finally the toll it took during and after...

Of course there's a lot more but those are some of the top things I held back to see othes watch it and hear their take before sharing more, I waited for takes of others to discuss it. So far only yours though. I waited long enough lol. I'd hope others here watched it however.

So AB had her big moment and I think maybe even thought she'd be the star of the whole thing that took down Lori and became famous who knows. And that fizzled fast and so far the majority even that can't stand Lori don't buy it... Sorry Audrey, you tried, you had that moment of splash, fizzled and went out.
 
This was an interesting interview. Man, this former juror does not like Lori at ALL.

Interesting take she had on the death penalty. She doesn’t like the death penalty today because the system is not working right. I agree with her!
I don't like it only because we've seen too many times where the person on death row ended up innocent. One is too many, but we've had far more than that. I'm for it only in certain circumstances and no shenanigans happening to get a wrongful conviction. Let's start by making it illegal, as it is in nearly every other country, for them to lie to the person being questioned. That seems to be how nearly every one of the proven wrongful convictions happened.
 
I don't like it only because we've seen too many times where the person on death row ended up innocent. One is too many, but we've had far more than that. I'm for it only in certain circumstances and no shenanigans happening to get a wrongful conviction. Let's start by making it illegal, as it is in nearly every other country, for them to lie to the person being questioned. That seems to be how nearly every one of the proven wrongful convictions happened.
Well that can't happen in Chad's case or in Lori's as they never cooperated nor sat down with police. Oh Lori did in Charles murder but she ended up with no DP anyhow in any case. Chad has never said more than he didn't know Lori or hardly knew her (when they were already married), didn't know her number and little else and it was no sit down interview where anyone was lied to. None were, they lawyered up the minute she was arrested.

I also do not entirely agree about LE lying. If you are a very honest person but live with a chronic liar who hides a lot re other women, money and you name it you try honesty and communication and you come to realize over years they think you're gullible and the only way you are ever going to determine the truth of anything is to set them up with a lie. A simple example, they think you were home all day while they were allegedly at work and maybe you were and maybe you weren't but you say no, actually I went to town and then took a drive. All of a sudden the liar remembers oh, I forgot to mention Bill and I stopped by the bar near work for a few just in case you saw the vehicle or knew. You'd never hear that but for that little lie. That's a SIMPLE example. I don't have an issue with LE being able to do such to a point. You can't catch a liar by being honest and fair. And if perps know cops can do this well then they should be considering that, just as everyone knows you can demand an attorney and it ends. I also don't care what other countries do, this isn't an other country. Should we do what some third world countries do for justice? You seem to be talking all countries in this world as in every other country...

And many countries more our counterparts and our own have gotten too soft or just don't care that they released repeat violent offenders to the streets and sentencing has turned into a joke as to a true sentence.

LE has been cut off at the knees in many a way and they do need to be able to use SOME things to investigate, interview and get to the bottom of things, HOWEVER, I'm not saying it may not ever be abused or used for too long, etc and there could be some parameters. One lie for instance. If it doesn't net you what you want by so long or so many times in, then maybe it should be stopped. I don't know, that would be a whole conversation and a topic in itself. And what is next, no warrants ever, no surveillance and so on? NO investigations?

All that said I back the DP BUT ONLY in cases where the proof and actual evidence is beyond. However, all it does these days is make trials harder and then they sit and are never executed anyhow so what's the point? As she said the system is broken and what she meant is they need to be executed in not so long and humanely. I don't disagree with that one bit but it isn't the way it goes these days.

I also back LE being able to use SOME tactics. If I was here all week and they called me in and said I'd been in California, I'd laugh in their face and say prove it. If they continued to do so, I'd continue to say no way, impossible. Ya see someone not lying or hiding anything should never have an issue. If they told me I left home last week at 8:33 a.m. instread of 8:37 well that I might need to check. Seriously if you aren't a liar then you KNOW what they are saying is false. There cannot for instance be a video of you at Walmart if you haven't been in your Walmart for a year. It's simply not possible. Why are lies to you and issue if you aren't a liar or hiding anything? On top of it you are there willingly which as what you always say, get an attorney regardless right away. Well they have that right too and know it.

Anyhow first post getting home and tired and realized I had my schedule wrong tomorrow or they changed it and a ten hour on Monday and I never get three in a row, sigh. I start later than I thought so that's not all bad but THEN the next day is an early start after working late.

Spent the few free minutes or hour or so yesterday morn and last night on Read and behind on these other cases with things I want to share etc. or watch even.
 
Emma is up.

Monday 20th May - Morning update.

LIVE UPDATES FROM THE CHAD DAYBELL TRIAL​

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Please excuse the typos. These are live updates from the courtroom.

11:50 a.m. Boyce says we will break for lunch. Back in an hour.

11:48 a.m. Garth says there were a lot of raccoons. Boyce wants to bring up an issue on sidebar.

11:46 a.m. The raccoons went after the rabbit food and they were worried they would start going after the rabbits. In the summer of 2019, they caught 3-4 raccoons. They were buried them in the compost heap behind the silver shed. Prior asks if other animals were buried on a different place on the property. Animals that were pets were buried by the raspberry patch.

11:45 a.m. Garth now says his mom drove the Dakota before 2017 and then began driving the Chevy Equinox. Prior asks about the summer of 2019 and raccoons. “That summer I was testing out a new tent in the back field and I heard a rustling. I went out and looked up into the tree and there was a raccoon there. I ran inside and told my dad and it was very close to where our rabbits were being kept. I told my dad, he grabbed the shotgun and he shot the raccoon,” Garth says. This was around 10 p.m.

11:43 a.m. Prior asks who drove the Dodge Dakota prior to 2017. It was Chad. After 2017, Garth says his dad was not driving the truck – his mom was the primary driver. Garth now says he has it backwards. At the time of his mother’s death, Garth says his dad was driving the Dodge Dakota. Prior asks Garth if he’s nervous. He says he is and considers himself pretty shy.

11:41 a.m. Garth is Chad’s son and is the oldest child. Prior asks who was living at the home when Tammy died. It was Tammy, Chad and Garth. Garth’s bedroom was at the end of the hallway and his parents room was across the hall.

11:40 a.m. Next witness is Garth Daybell.

11:39 a.m. Prior asks about the exhumation of Tammy and has nothing further. Emma Murray is released from the stand but Prior wants to keep her under subpoena.

11:36 a.m. Prior back at the podium and displays the insurance form. He asks what the line “spouse’s signature if applying for coverage” means. Emma says either her dad applied for coverage or her mom didn’t understand. Prior asks about Chad discussing with Emma about where the children were. Emma says her dad never knew where the children were.

11:35 a.m. Blake asks about the upstairs room with a mattress. Emma says people typically didn’t live up there and Chad had just moved it up there. Blake asks about the $8,000 deposit Chad made into her account. Emma says it happened. Blake asks about two bodies being located. “Whose bodies were those?” Emma responds, “Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow.” Blake has nothing further. Prior will now re-direct.

11:33 a.m. Chad tells Emma to move out of her house and move into his. “This is essentially your house and we’ll talk to John Prior about the financial arrangement but you should be fine for a while.” Blake stops the clip and asks Emma if she recalls the conversation with her dad. She does. Chad didn’t ask Emma if she knew why he was arrested.

11:32 a.m. “I’m not coming back,” Chad says. “All that stuff in the baby room is Lori’s and mine. The suitcases – you’ll see – just put it in the garage. Take that mattress from upstairs, do what you want.” Chad says, “We’re going to make it through. I’m glad we could talk.”

11:30 a.m. Chad says, “Cooperate with them as much as you feel.” Emma says, “They have been kind to us today.” She says she texted John Prior so he has her number. Chad tells Emma that a lot of the accounts are on autopay. “It sounds like you’re not going to be out for a little while,” Emma says. Emma is crying and says she will take care of her and Joe and Mark. Chad tells her to keep paying the mortgage.

11:29 a.m. Chad tells Emma how to use the card for Telemate to talk with Lori. He tells her how to sign in and Emma says she has an account that she’s been talking to Lori on. Chad tells her to use a particular card to put money on and to give her commissary money. He usually puts $30 a week on there.

11:27 a.m. Chad is asking Det. Ball about his wallet and Ball says Emma can take the wallet with the credit cards. Chad tells Emma there is about $9,000 in two white envelopes in the middle drawer of Mark’s dresser in his room. Chad says they will talk more about car payments and they begin discussing bank account information.

11:25 a.m. Blake begins playing the video. Chad is in the backseat of the car wearing a baseball cap. Emma opens the door and says, “I love you so much.” Chad responds, “I love you. Glad you came over.” Emma says, “I thought they took you downtown already.” Chad says, “I almost made it to the county line.” Emma says she saw the police chase Chad down.

11:19 a.m. The exhibit is the body camera footage that was previously admitted. Blake asks to publish a portion of the video. This is the conversation Emma had with her dad as police were searching the property for JJ and Tylee.

11:18 a.m. Blake asks about June 9, 2020 and requests an exhibit from the court.

11:16 a.m. Blake says she was unwillingly to sit down with law enforcement. Emma says, “In that instance, yes.” Blake asks if it was common for her dad to be in control and in charge. “Yes, as the patriarch of our home.” Blake asks about how Chad seemed when Tammy died. “Did your dad ever share with you a text to Lori that was sent less than 24 hours after your mother’s passing?” Emma responds, “My dad never shared text messages with me.”

11:14 a.m. Emma repeats again the didn’t want her mom to get an autopsy. Blake says once the autopsy was done, did Emma want to know the results. “I told them I didn’t want to interview with them. I wanted to see the results and I did not want to discuss it with them,” Emma says. Blake says police told her she did not have to do an interview, they were just going to share the results with her. Emma says they never said that.

11:13 a.m. Blake asks Emma if she provided any statements about her mom’s health when her mom died. Emma doesn’t remember. Blake asks if, at any point, Emma reached out to law enforcement about her mom’s medical conditions. “It wasn’t a crime, so no.”

11:12 a.m. Emma said during an interview in 2021 that Chad’s affair was not physical. She says she later learned it was physical. Blake asks Emma if she was present at the home when 911 was called the day Tammy died. She was not.

11:10 a.m. Emma says she has read all of her dad’s books. In Chad’s autobiography, he says the visions he had experienced are all true. Blake asks about priesthood blessings and the statement Emma made about a man “living the covenant” could give a blessing. Blake asks if committing adultery is living the covenant. Emma says no. Blake asks when she learned Chad was having an affair with Lori. “After he was arrested,” Emma says. “I heard about things in the news after Lori was arrested in February 2020 but I learned more after he was arrested – very shortly after. Once again the news.”

11:09 a.m. Blake asks if when her dad caught her about castings, he told her anything about the body having to be destroyed or had to die. Emma says no. Emma says her dad never talked to her about Alex Cox. He never spoke to her about Lori Vallow before Tammy died.

11:06 a.m. Blake asks Emma if she happened to be searching for south, southwest wind the day before Tylee was last seen alive. Yes. The day before her dad sent her mom a message about a raccoon on the property. Emma says yes. Emma says her dad taught her about castings and her mom did them too. “Are you still alive?” Blake asks. Emma responds, “Yes.” Emma says her dad taught her about multi-creations but didn’t teach her about zombies.

11:05 a.m. Blake asks Emma if she ever asked her dad where JJ Vallow was. “Yes. He told he he was in a safe place.” Same question about Tylee. “Yes. He told me she was in a safe place.” Blake asks where the kids were found. “In the backyard. My dad’s property.”

11:03 a.m. Blake asks Emma if she ever saw her mom with a paintball gun, rifle, assault rifle, any gun. Emma says no. Emma says she learned her mom had been exhumed on Dec. 13. Blake asks about Emma’s meeting with Det. Hope. Emma says Hope told her they were concerned about JJ’s whereabouts and they were still looking for him. Blake asks Emma when she saw Hermosillo at the gym. She says it was after Chad was arrested in 2020.

11:02 a.m. Blake asks if her parents could access each other’s accounts because they shared passwords. Emma says yes. Blake asks if her dad could block access or delete emails on Tammy’s accounts. “If he knew how,” Emma says.

11:01 a.m. Blake shows the form on the big screen. She asks what company the insurance is through. It’s through LifeMap and the amount is for $80,000. Blake shows the signatures on the form to the jury.

11 a.m. Emma is given the insurance form. Blake asks whose signatures are on the insurance form. Emma says Tamara Daybell and Chad Daybell. The dates is 9/8/19. This was only insurance for Tammy.

10:57 a.m. Emma says Tammy was not training for a 5K. “Would it surprise you that other people said she was?” Blake asks. Emma says, “No.” Blake asks if Emma was privy to all her parents’ conversations. Emma says no. Blake asks about her mom taking out the insurance policy and why Chad’s signature would have been on the form if Tammy filled it out alone. Emma says Tammy took our insurance on Chad. Blake asks for an exhibit.

10:56 a.m. Blake asks why her husband had to get the keys to the truck from Tammy. Emma says he wanted to borrow the truck for potato harvest and Tammy had the keys and was the closest to it. Blake asks Emma about Tammy playing on the Wii. It was an exercise game. Emma says she did it a lot in 2018 and earlier. “Fair to say your mom enjoyed physical activities?” Blake asks. Emma responds, “She enjoyed video games.” She also liked farming and Pokemon games.

10:54 a.m. Blake asks if Emma would visit with her mom when she was going to bed. Blake asks if she knew what Tammy would do with the FitBit every night. Emma says she saw her several times with the FitBit. Blake asks if it would surprise Emma to learn on Oct. 18, there was activity on Tammy’s phone past 10. Blake asks Emma if she was there that night. Emma says she only knows what she was told about Tammy being sick and throwing up that night. She was not there.

10:53 a.m. Blake asks if it would surprise Emma to learn there was no mention of the anemia in her medical records. She visited the doctor in 2019 and no mention of anemia or sleep apnea. Emma says she isn’t surprised that there is no mention in her medical records.

10:52 a.m. Blake asks if Emma recalls talking to her dad about the 5K race and her dad saying certain things. Emma doesn’t recall. Blake asks about her dad telling Emma about Zumba. She says her dad has never told her to say anything.

10:50 a.m. Blake begins by reminding Emma that she promised to tell the truth. Blake tells Emma she has spoken with her dad almost daily. Emma says that’s true. Blake reminds Emma that in early June 2020, Chad told Emma not to cooperate with law enforcement. Emma no longer met with the FBI.

10:49 a.m. Prior is done. Blake will now
cross-examine.

10:48 a.m. Prior asks her father’s emotions on the day of her mother’s funeral. “Typical for any grieving Latter-day Saint husband.” “Latter-day Saints believe we will be resurrected and with our families forever. A funeral isn’t saying goodbye forever – it’s a see you later, it’s a break,” Emma says. She says he cried but also laughed and smiled at times.

10:46 a.m. Prior asks Emma if she observed Chad leaving at a high rate of speed when he left the house that day. She says the speed limit is 50 mph and she saw him drive that speed. Prior asks who Chad was going to see. Blake objects on hearsay grounds. Prior suggests he was going to see a lawyer. Blake objects, judge sustains it and the question and answer are struck from the record.

10:45 a.m. Prior asks about June 9 – the day Chad was arrested. Prior asks about the police car footage that showed the conversation between Emma and Chad. Prior asks how the car was parked. He asks if someone was to look out the right side of the car window, what would you be looking at. Emma says the house. Prior asks if someone was looking out the other side, what would they be looking at. Emma says, “Whatever was behind the car” but she says not the property.

10:43 a.m. Prior asks if Emma met with Det. Hope at her school. Emma says yes, she met with him one time. “I wanted to ask him what was going on – why he was contacting members of my family. He was asking where my dad was. We gave him my dad’s phone number and told him he was in Hawaii but they said they had no way of contacting him. That seemed untrue.”

10:42 a.m. Emma says a detective from Madison County confronted her in the hallway at church and it was really uncomfortable. She says after the incident, she never went back to the congregation.

10:41 a.m. Prior asks if Emma felt like she was under scrutiny as part of this case. She says yes – “any interaction with law enforcement.” Emma went to exercise with her sister-in-law and they were in a section of the gym when Det. Hermosillo came to start exercising near them. “It seemed like a part of the gym that would have been too easy for him,” Emma explains. “He was standing closer to us than felt comfortable and it felt like he was trying to listen in to our conversation.”

10:39 a.m. Emma asks Hope about her mother being exhumed. He told her it had already happened and it was the first time she had heard about it. Prior asks Emma if she was ever misled about the exhumation. Emma says no. Prior asks the same question. Emma says she doesn’t understand the question.

10:37 a.m. Prior asks Emma is her father owned a dog. “My father did not own a dog. He doesn’t like dogs,” Emma says. Emma had a dog across the street. Prior wants to talk about Emma’s feelings with law enforcement. “I was aware of an event that had happened with my brother and I wanted to learn more about it so I contacted the same detective that had contacted him,” Emma says. Emma says the detective was Dave Hope.

10:35 a.m. Prior asks if Emma has encountered animals on the property and if those animals were buried after being shot. Prior asks if she has knowledge about animals being shot on her dad’s property. Prior asks what animals would visit her dad’s property. “There were a lot of cats. We live right by a busy highway so all throughout there’s stray cats that get hit. My mother would feel bad for them and they won’t even out cat and they would get buried,” Emma says. Dogs, chickens, ducks, raccoons, sometimes sparrows too, Emma says, were buried in the pet cemetery.

10:33 a.m. Emma says if anything was modified in the pet cemetery, Tammy would know. Prior begins to ask about an email “that’s been all over the news” and Boyce asks for a sidebar. Sidebar over and Prior asks about the raccoon text message. Emma says she is aware of it.

10:32 a.m. Emma says the decision to have the funeral in Springville seemed natural because Tammy lived there most of her life and there was a family gravesite plot. Emma says Tammy loved to nurture things – gardening, taking care of plants, etc. She liked ducks, rabbits, chickens.

10:30 a.m. Prior asks about the planning of Tammy’s funeral service. Emma says they met with someone at Flamm Funeral Home. “They gave us the choice of Tuesday or Saturday. There were other customers the funeral home was helping. Those were the only days available for the funeral home to help,” Emma says. Emma says there was a family discussion over whether to have the funeral on Tuesday or Saturday.

10:24 a.m. Emma walks into the courtroom to the witness stand. Jurors walk in. Prior continues to question about Lori traveling separately to California. Prior asks if the location of the children was ever discussed. Emma says yes. “From my understanding, I was told that the children were in a safe place,” Emma says.

10:20 a.m. Both sides argue their positions and calls this an “interesting issue.” Suddenly the jurors start walking in and Boyce asks that they leave – court isn’t ready for them yet. Boyce sustains Blake’s objection about statements made by Lori Vallow unless they are within very narrow exceptions. Prior asks if the court is excluding Emma from testifying about what Lori Vallow told her. Boyce says his ruling is limited to the line of questions that came up so further objections/exceptions would need to be taken up as they arise.

10:17 a.m. Judge Boyce is back on the bench. He is taking up an issue outside presence of the jury – whether the statements Vallow made on the trip to California with the Daybell family constitutes hearsay or not.

10:14 a.m. We are back in the courtroom. Green tickets were distributed to those of us in the courtroom this morning so we have a seat. They are letting in around 12 more people who have been waiting all morning. Don’t think I mentioned it, but my wife Erica is with me in court today. Our EastIdahoNews.com comment moderator, Peggy, is also here so don’t be a jerk in the comments while she’s away.

9:57 a.m. We are out in the hallway waiting to get into the courtroom. The Trial Court Administrator just announced that the ticket reservation system will be brought back next week. This is, by far, the most people who have shown up to try and get into the courtroom.

9:40 a.m. Lori Vallow was also on the trip. Emma doesn’t know where Lori left from but she arrived in California by vehicle later on. Defense and prosecutors arguing over an issue. Morning break time. Back in 20 minutes.

9:38 a.m. Prior asks about the trip to California over Thanksgiving break. Chad, Emma, her husband, their son, Leah, her husband, their son and Garth were on the trip. They left Rexburg and drove to the Salt Lake airport. They then flew to California and went to Knott’s Berry Farm. The trip was just a few days. Chad was then going to life temporarily in Hawaii, Emma says.

9:37 a.m. Emma says her dad was emotionally out of control and she has never seen him so upset. “I know the grief he felt was real. He may not have had the same romantic relationship with my mother that he had in the past, but I knew he valued her as a person and seeing her die was very traumatic,” Emma says.

9:35 a.m. Emma says her dad was very distressed and not speaking at the moment. Emma told the coroner she did not want an autopsy. Emma says her dad nodded. Prior asks if Chad ever expressed an opinion on whether he wanted an autopsy or not. “He never expressed an opinion,” Emma says. She says her dad was more distressed than she has ever seen him “in my entire life.”

9:34 a.m. Prior asks Emma when she arrived at her parents’ home the day Tammy died. She arrived before 7 a.m. “Coroner Dye was inspecting my mom’s body and she asked us some questions about our wishes. She offered an autopsy and the area where we lived in, the body would have to be taken to Boise which is about five hours away. It would delay the funeral,” Emma says. “I don’t think autopsies should be done on anyone. The idea of my mother’s body undergoing that was very distressing to me.”

9:32 a.m. Prior asks Emma if her mom is familiar with paintball guns. Emma says it’s a common recreational thing. Her mom may not have enjoyed going but she did. Tammy had an older brother and uncle who liked to do adventuresome things. Prior asks about the events of Oct.9. Tammy dropped Emma off from her clogging class and then immediately went home that night. Tammy posted on Facebook about the incident so Emma called her immediately. “She was very sure it was a paintball gun,” Emma says.

9:30 a.m. Emma did not interpret her dad’s books to be scriptures. Emma says her dad is very introverted, like her mom. Prior asks if they were more “bookworm” type. Emma says yes. Her dad enjoyed speaking in front of groups and teaching but not necessarily talking one-on-one with people. Talking in front of people had a different energy about it, Emma says.

9:29 a.m. Emma says her dad wrote fiction and non-fictions books. He gained most of his inspiration from the “more traditional” Latter-day Saint church and his own ideas, Emma says. Emma says her dad wanted to teach about the future with fictional characters.

9:28 a.m. Emma says her mom learned about muscle testing and reflexology as a child from her parents. She learned more about it later in life. Emma says both her parents learned about it but Tammy was more skilled at it.

9:27 a.m. Prior asks about the Emotion Code and if her parents used it. Blake objects based on relevance. Boyce sustains. Prior asks Emma if she believes her mom and dad could sense whether a person was light or dark. Emma says yes.

9:26 a.m. Prior asks if after teh spirit was cast out, she died. Emma says no. “The goal is so you have your own body back and can be in control of yourself,” she says. Prior asks if she has ever heard the word zombies. Emma says just on TV. The jury is focused intently on this testimony.

9:25 a.m. Prior stresses it’s men who give blessings to other people. Emma says in the times of Joseph Smith, women gave blessings too. Emma says after her dad gave her the blessing when she was struggling, “I instantly felt better. I felt the individual that was trying to affect my body was gone,” Emma says.

9:23 a.m. Emma says any man who is an adult and make promises to keep teachings of the church with the power to serve other people can receive the priesthood – it wasn’t unique to her father. Emma says it’s common for people in her faith to give blessings as long as they are eligible and have the priesthood.

9:22 a.m. Prior asks about Emma learning her dad had a relationship with another woman. Emma says it was not an appropriate relationship. Prior asks if she would agree that nobody is perfect. Emma agrees – nobody is perfect.

9:22 a.m. Emma has struggled with anxiety for years and says it was feeling unmanageable. “I felt like there was a being that was with me. I talked to my parents about it and my dad cast it out using the power of the priesthood. Then I felt better afterward,” Prior says. She says it was the power of God through the laying on of hands.

9:21 a.m. Emma says her mother would frequently assign numbers to people as to whether they were light or dark. Emma says her mom was more fundamental than her dad as far as religious beliefs.

9:19 a.m. Prior asks Emma is her brothers and sisters share their dad’s religious beliefs. She says there are elements they might feel drawn to but not others. Prior asks Emma her views on the concept of “light” and “dark.” Emma says good and evil would be talking about your actions while light and dark would be motivations. Light you’re acting like the Savior, dark you’re acting like Satan.

9:18 a.m. Prior asks Emma how she describes her father’s faith. “He wanted to stick to as close to the original form as he could. He was really interested in teachings from Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and other earlier leaders,” Emma says. She describes him as fundamental. Emma says she didn’t necessarily share her dad’s religious beliefs but shared some.

9:17 a.m. Emma says all the kids would play musical instruments in the Cozy Cone. Her sister Leah would go up to study sometimes. You have to go through the garage to get to the Cozy Cone. “It was really inconvenient” to get there, Emma says.

9:16 a.m. Prior asks about the house. It’s a brick-house, garage and Prior asks if it’s one story. Emma says the previous owner constructed a building over the pump house. She says it’s unheated and is built from a different material. There isn’t much electricity that goes to it, she says. Emma says it’s called the Cozy Cone.

9:14 a.m. Prior asks about the roles of Chad and Tammy in the book publishing company. Emma says Tammy would help design book covers – she did most of them by herself – and she did the finances and taxes for the company. Chad would try and find authors to have their books published.

9:12 a.m. The day before Tylee died, Emma says she did a search on Chad’s desktop computer for south, southwest winds because they were planning an outdoor event. “I was trying to be an amateur meteorologist,” Emma says. Emma says there wasn’t a login or anything – she just jumped online. This is in reference to the search done the day before Tylee was buried on the property.

9:11 a.m. Prior asks Emma if Tammy consulted with Chad before she increased the insurance. Emma says they filled out the paperwork together. “We both signed to take out more life insurance on ourselves and did not consult with our husbands,” Emma says. Emma did not take out the maximum because she could not afford it but Tammy checked the box.

9:09 a.m. Prior asks if Tammy had any self-defense skills. Emma says nothing formal but occasionally there would be classes at church about self-defense. Prior asks about life insurance and Emma says the insurance company came to the school one day to speak about increasing life insurance. “It was really cheap insurance and they encouraged us to purchase some so both my mother and I purchased some.”

9:08 a.m. The clogging classes took place once a week on Wednesdays. Emma and Tammy went for about six weeks. They started going about six weeks before Tammy died.

9:06 a.m. Emma says the idea of the Zumba High Fitness class is you can participate to your comfort level. She describes the instructor being on stage and people in the class mimicking the instructor’s movements. Lights were dimmed and party lights were turned on so nobody could see how you were doing. Emma and Tammy would be in the back of the room.

9:04 a.m. Prior asks Emma about her mom taking clogging and Zumba fitness classes. Emma says she and her mom were both overweight and wanted to exercise more. Some ladies at the school invited Tammy and Emma to come to the class at the local elementary school gym. They started going in April 2019.

9:02 a.m. Prior asks about Tammy training for a 5K race. Emma says she was training for a race and invited her mom to run the race but Tammy said she would not do it. Joseph, Emma’s husband, organized a 5K for Operation Underground Railroad and Tammy helped plan it.

8:59 a.m. Emma’s in-laws were having a step competition with Tammy to see who could get the most steps on FitBit. Tammy wanted to win. Blake objects to a question and asks Emma about a conversation with her father where Chad told Emma Tammy would swing her arm off the bed to get steps. Emma doesn’t recall the conversation. Emma says her mom would often swing her arm to get steps.

8:58 a.m. The Dodge Dakota was sold to Emma and her husband. They still drive it. Prior asks about Tammy’s FitBit that would count her steps. Tammy wore the watch during the day and charged it at night. Emma says her mom got the FitBit to increase her physical fitness. Emma says Tammy and Emma both had a FitBit and Tammy bought one for Chad but he wouldn’t wear it.

8:56 a.m. Emma says as her mom prepared for the book fair, she overloaded some boxes and carried them as she rested them against her arms. Emma noticed her mom needing help so Emma stepped out of a meeting to help her. Tammy drove her parents’ Dodge Dakota to work that day. Emma says her dad was the primary driver of the Dakota. Tammy drove the Chevy Equinox.

8:55 a.m. Emma says she visited her mom in her classroom any chance she got. Emma says she never saw her mom talk about her health with coworkers. Emma says her mother was a very private person. Tammy didn’t want to miss work – she wanted to go every day. She was paid by the hour so financially, it was important that she go to work.

8:53 a.m. Prior asks about Oct. 18, 2019 – the day before Tammy died. Emma says her mom was preparing for a book fair. She says her mom worked in a computer lab at the school and in the library. Emma says her mom was an introvert “at the core.” “She could be friendly and smalltalk with people but in general, she didn’t confide with people.”

8:51 a.m. Emma says her mom took colloidal silver and Tammy would encourage others who were sick to take it. Emma says her mom bruised easy and used arnica gel to treat the bruises. “If she were bump her hip on the counter when she was walking by, she would get a massive bruise from that.”

8:49 a.m. Emma has sleep apnea and her grandfather does too. She wonders if Tammy did too. Tammy also had anemia. She preferred herbal supplements and took the generic form of Prozac.

8:48 a.m. Emma lives at the house where her father used to live. She says she has made a financial arrangement with her father to live at the house and she doesn’t know what Chad has arranged with Prior. Emma says her health started declining within the last year of her life. “She was always one to meet the demands of daily life without being exhausted and she started going to be before dinner some nights. It would be like 5-6-7 o’clock at night and she would sleep in a lot.”

8:47 a.m. Emma says she has spoken to John Prior three times in preparation for the trial including last night. She says she is prepared to tell the truth.

8:45 a.m. Emma is married to Joseph Murray. Prior asks if she received a subpoena from the prosecutor or defense. She says she received one from both. Emma says she has not watched the trial.

8:44 a.m. Prior calls Emma Murray, Chad Daybell’s daughter, to the stand.

8:42 a.m. Prior says he is ready to call a witness. Jurors are being brought in.

8:40 a.m. Boyce says the clerical error on the indictment will be addressed with a jury instruction. Jurors can consider the date on the original indictment when they deliberate. Boyce says his staff attorney, Courtney Stallings, discovered the error on the indictment and she is preparing the jury instructions. A jury instruction conference will be held before deliberations.

8:38 a.m. Judge Steven Boyce is on the bench. He says the state has concluded its case-in-chief and the defense will now present its case. Boyce says he has one issue to address on the record before jurors are brought in.

8:31 a.m. Chad Daybell looks like he got a haircut over the weekend. He is sitting next to Prior. Prosecutors Lindsey Blake, Rob Wood, Ingrid Batey and Rocky Wixom at their table. “Courtroom Daddy” giving instruction to everyone in the gallery – turn phones off, no whispering, no symbolic wristbands or shirts, no hats.

8:30 a.m. We are in the courtroom and there was a huge crowd of people hoping to get into the trial today. More than we have ever seen. Many are being turned away due to not enough seats.

8:20 a.m. It’s the start of week 7 in Chad Daybell’s murder case (week 8 if you include jury selection). The defense will begin its case today after the prosecution rested Thursday. During opening statements in April, John Prior, Chad’s defense attorney, said he plans to call the following to testify:

  • At least three of Chad’s children
  • Greg Hampikian – DNA expert/Co-Director of the Idaho Innocence Project/Director of the Forensic Justice Project at Boise State University
  • Patrick Eller – Metadata CEO and digital forensisches examiner
  • Dr. Kathy Raven – forensic pathologist – Raven Forensics
During testimony last week, Prior said Dr. Eric Bartelink, an anthropologist, is one of his expert witnesses. This is all subject to change based on Prior’s approach.
 
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