JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

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I think that our minds automatically wipe out bad memories so that's why we don't remember the bad stuff maybe?

We would have constant nightmares otherwise.
I do recall bad stuff though but I get you and what you mean and try to avoid and insert other things to keep me off such thoughts even though I know/have heard it.. Sometimes one has to to make it through life if you are one who has dealt with anythig more than the typical and even then people need to to make it through.

I do recall bad stuff and it pops into my head and I need to find a way to BLOCK it quick. To not fall apart at work, or in life, etc. Talking personal of course, not a case where I did not know the victims which bother me to the core like this one but isn't someone I personally knew.

I don't know, I think my memory may be going but I'd like to THINK it is from the life situation and then stuffing too much in with too many cases when I get that rare moment. I hope.
 
Did you see that 4 jurors from Lori's trial attended today?

8:29 a.m. Four jurors who served in Lori Vallow’s trial are in the courtroom today. Larry Woodcock is also here and there are around 30-40 people in the gallery. Chad is seated next to his attorney, John Prior, and prosecutors are at their table.
 
Did you see that 4 jurors from Lori's trial attended today?

8:29 a.m. Four jurors who served in Lori Vallow’s trial are in the courtroom today. Larry Woodcock is also here and there are around 30-40 people in the gallery. Chad is seated next to his attorney, John Prior, and prosecutors are at their table.
I know Nate said in his from last night he ran into one woman and she agreed to do an interview with him and he will air in next day or two. He said she was of interest to him at Lori's, seemed like his wife's age and got emotion during autopsy pics, etc. He also said her opinion is not like any of ours, meaning I guess him or all of us, etc. I know he had also run into a man from Lori's early on when it started. Did not know about FOUR.
 
There was a little excitement this afternoon! I wasn’t sure if they were going to get out of it or not. One of the filings had the wrong dates of JJ‘s death on it and they were talking about maybe having to throw out the charges. It all worked out in the long run. Thank goodness!
 
There was a little excitement this afternoon! I wasn’t sure if they were going to get out of it or not. One of the filings had the wrong dates of JJ‘s death on it and they were talking about maybe having to throw out the charges. It all worked out in the long run. Thank goodness!
Yeah, I had a lot to do finally a day off and thought I'd watch or listen to what was supposed to be a short day but was nothing CLOSE to a short day ene though even just one witness. There was something in Lori's too--similar. Not impressed and sure makes me wonder... Prosecution has done an excellent job in both and what is this, some clerical error? Seriously. Before we even knew about it I couldn't help but wonder why Blake was so shaky voiced arguing the typical motion for directed verdict, she is generally very assured and prepared. I mean she was prepared as to argument but shaky voiced as all heck and THEN that came after.... Was she already aware of it when arguing the other....?

Seems to have been a mistake and I'll sit silent on a cynical thought I had and pray that such is just a product of my cynicism and wrong. Anyhow what was to be a short day ended up a full day which also is not typical of Judge Boiyce.
 
Thursday 16th May - afternoon update

LIVE UPDATES FROM THE CHAD DAYBELL TRIAL​

CLICK HERE TO WATCH THE TRIAL LIVE
Please excuse the typos. These are live updates from the courtroom. A lot of text messages are being displayed today. We are preserving the typos and misspellings in those.

3:45 p.m. Boyce says he raised the issue – not the defense. Boyce says he needs additional time as to how to exactly fix the date problem, but he denies Prior’s request to dismiss the charge. We will be in recess until Monday morning.

3:43 p.m. Boyce finds there has been sufficient evidence in the elements alleged in count 4. He denies the motion for acquittal. As for the dates, because count 4 was changed without permission, he finds it was an inadvertent mistake. “While these jurors have already heard the information contained in the amended indictment, the court believes the jurors can be fairly and properly instructed.”

3:41 p.m. Boyce says the defendant was on notice for several years that the allegation of JJ’s murder occurred between Sept. 22-23. Boyce says the evidence all pointed to the dates of Sept. 22-23, and the same allegation was made in Lori Vallow’s case last year. The defense was aware at that time. “There’s certainly no surprise when it comes to the defense knowing the dates that have been alleged are the 22nd and 23rd,” Boyce says.

3:40 p.m. State argued it’s a clerical error. Boyce says looking at the history, the court did not authorize any amendment to count 4. Count 4 should not have been amended. The dates put into count 4 mirror the dates of count 2, which is alleged murder of Tylee Ryan. “Looking at that history, the court does believe it was a clerical error that led to the change of those dates,” Boyce says.

3:39 p.m. Boyce says he has considered the arguments of state and defense. He notes the initial indictment had the right date for 2.5 years. In November, the state asked to amend the indictment – verbiage in counts 1, 3 and 5. Boyce issued an order on Dec. 8 granting permission to amend the indictment. Count 4 was not one of the changes that was approved. The amended indictment was filed and had an alteration.

3:38 p.m. Boyce says he is ready to rule.

3:37 p.m. Back in the courtroom. Attorneys are at their tables, and Judge Boyce is on the bench.

3:02 p.m. Boyce asks Batey to clarify about how the issue happened. It was when the amendments were approved on the other counts and the date on count four somehow got changed. She says it was a clerical error. Prior says the jurors were read this indictment, it was published and the mistake hasn’t been caught until now – they should not be allowed to change it. Boyce says he needs to take a recess before he rules. Will be back in court when Boyce is ready to rule.

3:01 p.m. Prior says Idaho rule 7 says prosecutors cannot change the indictment after they rest. “They don’t get to amend. Regardless, they don’t get to amend. It’s a very specific rule that references this very issue,” Prior says. Batey responds by saying there is a process for making amendments. “We are asking the court to correct what is clearly a clerical mistake,” she says.

3 p.m. Prior asks Boyce to dismiss the charge.

2:57 p.m. Prior cites a rule that says the court can allow an amendment before the state rests – but not after. Prior says the state doesn’t have any right to ask for a various or amendment at this point in the trial. “They have to make any amendment and correction prior to resting their case,” Prior says. He says four lawyers have had over a year to analyze this, and after they rest their case, the court corrected it. Prior says he wasn’t going to tip the court off that there was a problem.

2:56 p.m. Batey finishes her argument. Prior now arguing. He says the authority to reopen a case almost exclusively applies to evidence – not amending a complaint. He says he didn’t object to the original motion to amend it. “From that time forward, that’s the information I relied on. Any change, after the state has rested, is going to create a substantial due process argument for Mr. Daybell.”

2:54 p.m. “We are all falling on our sword here. This was clearly an oversight. We are talking about a clerical error in a subsequent document that was not in the original document,” Batey says.

2:53 p.m. Batey says this was a clerical issue, and the court can reopen the case to address the issue. The state would then amend the indictment before resting to get it in compliance. The state could then rest again.

2:51 p.m. Boyce asks Batey about variance. He says variance typically comes up when jury instructions don’t match the charging documents. “What the state would be requesting is we don’t have a variance yet because the jury hasn’t been instructed on something that varies from the charging documents. You’re suggesting I permit a variance to essentially cure the issue,” Boyce says. He is not aware of any other cases where a court proactively grants a variance.

2:50 p.m. Batey says this is a variance in dates while in other cases, there have been variances in years, and it hasn’t been a problem in those trials.

2:47 p.m. Batey says the second option is for Boyce to accept there is a variance with the indictment date and instruct the jury that there is a variance.

2:46 p.m. Batey says there was an indictment for 2.5 years that had the correct date and all parties were aware of it. She says it was a clerical error, and the court should utilize Idaho rule to let jurors know it was amended.

2:43 p.m. Batey argues her first option. She says state made a motion to amend the indictment in Nov. 2023 in three ways – modify subsection in count 1 and 3, modify language in counts 2, 3 and 5, and modify language “month” v “months.” “Nowhere in states motion did the state ever seek leave to amend any portion of count 4,” Batey says. Boyce approved the motion, and it was amended. Batey says when the amended motion was filed, the date of JJ’s death date was inadvertently changed on count 4.

2:41 p.m. Ingrid Batey will now argue count four. She says the state has three options. One – because count four did not fall within scope of court’s Dec. 8, 2023, order to amend, the court can simply correct it so it conforms with what count four should be. Second – the court could accept there is a variance and instruct jury that there is a variance. Batey said court could also add an item in jury instruction. Third – the court could reopen the case to allow the state to correct the indictment and formally amend it.

2:41 p.m. On final count, Boyce says state has presented significant evidence, so Prior’s motion for acquittal is denied.

2:40 p.m. On count six, Boyce says state has presented significant evidence, so Prior’s motion for acquittal is denied.

2:38 p.m. On count five, Boyce says state has presented significant evidence, so Prior’s motion for acquittal is denied.

2:37 p.m. On count three, Boyce says state has presented significant evidence, so Prior’s motion for acquittal is denied.

2:35 p.m. On count two, Boyce says state has presented significant evidence, so Prior’s motion is denied.

2:32 p.m. Boyce says on count one, state has presented significant evidence, so Prior’s motion is denied.

2:30 p.m. Judge Boyce is on the bench. John Prior is sitting next to Chad Daybell. Prosecutors are at their table. Boyce has prepared a ruling on everything except count four – first degree murder for JJ Vallow.

2:27 p.m. We are back in the courtroom. Here’s a look at the original indictment and the amended indictment. First one was filed in 2021. Second one was filed in Feb. 2024.

indictment in 2021


indictment in 2024


12:45 p.m. To clarify, the date is wrong on count four of the indictment – first degree murder for JJ Vallow. The death dates are for Tylee Ryan. JJ Vallow died Sept. 22-23, according to prosecutors. Larry Woodcock is outside the courthouse crying. Many others are too – wondering what happens now. WATCH VIDEO IN THE PLAYER ABOVE. We will find out at 2:30 p.m. when prosecutors address the error.

12:31 p.m. Boyce says there is a filed amended indictment that has the wrong dates for JJ Vallow’s death. He is giving the state two hours to prepare for argument. We will be back at 2:30 p.m.
 
So Judge Boyce is going to rule on Monday but basically is of the opinion it is an inadvertent clerical error and Defence were aware of the correct dates for 2.5 years.

Prior wants the JJ charge dismissed but Judge Boyce denied that request.

After we were talking about sloppiness in the Delphi case, I think this is a good example of court sloppiness that noone noticed that glaring error in count four in the last two months except Prior, who apparently kept it to himself in the hope of getting the charge dismissed.

So we will see on Monday how Judge Boyce corrects it and then we will hear the Defence case.

Poor Larry was in tears over this. So much upset for the Woodcocks to bear.
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So Judge Boyce is going to rule on Monday but basically is of the opinion it is an inadvertent clerical error and Defence were aware of the correct dates for 2.5 years.

Prior wants the JJ charge dismissed but Judge Boyce denied that request.

After we were talking about sloppiness in the Delphi case, I think this is a good example of court sloppiness that noone noticed that glaring error in count four in the last two months except Prior, who apparently kept it to himself in the hope of getting the charge dismissed.

So we will see on Monday how Judge Boyce corrects it and then we will hear the Defence case.

Poor Larry was in tears over this. So much upset for the Woodcocks to bear.
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Boyce already cleared it up. I watched the clip from it on Nate’s courtroom insider last night. Monday they’re going to start the defense’s testimonies.
 
So Judge Boyce is going to rule on Monday but basically is of the opinion it is an inadvertent clerical error and Defence were aware of the correct dates for 2.5 years.

Prior wants the JJ charge dismissed but Judge Boyce denied that request.

After we were talking about sloppiness in the Delphi case, I think this is a good example of court sloppiness that noone noticed that glaring error in count four in the last two months except Prior, who apparently kept it to himself in the hope of getting the charge dismissed.

So we will see on Monday how Judge Boyce corrects it and then we will hear the Defence case.

Poor Larry was in tears over this. So much upset for the Woodcocks to bear.
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I don't know how a clerical error like this gets made. it doesn't even sound like it was one that was amended so why did it even get touched? It would be hard enough to believe if an amended count it it wasn't one and so why would it be reprinted or touched at all? ODD. Even if some clerical support went to amend a few of the others, you wouldn't touch that one nor change the dates. I find it really odd. Dismissing one charge would not get Chad off so it isn't like I think something is up that way but I still find it strange. Some member of the support staff is going to be out of a job and imo perhaps should be. However, it is also on them to read EVERY little detail before approving filing. I mentioned in Delphi I worked for attorneys and they would NEVER have missed this NOR would the support staff (one of which was me) but even if we did, they would have caught in. They went over all with a fine tooth comb. It is one reason B & R in that case I judge in a way I feel deserved--tey are beyond sloppy--OR it is intentional. Don't get me wrong, many DA's offices are understaffed and this is a HUGE case/s but it is still kind of hard to fathom how this could happen as it was NOT even one of the counts being amended and even those that were, the amending was in the body of the document it sounds like so WTH?

Sounds to me like he has ruled. He just hasn't decided the correct way to fix it.

And yeah those that make light of sloppiness in Delphi do not get I don't think that one mistake can be HUGE. Maybe the misspelling of one word in most cases might not be BUT IT SHOWS you re NOT proofing your serious court filings and what else might be wrong??! And why would you not WANT to be sure all is correct in what are HUGE nationally known cases?? Or any for that matter.

I still can't fathom how such happened BUT I don't see intent as one charge wouldn't save Chad but go figure it would be JJ's and upset the Woodcocks.

I am a bit suspicious though because I watched this case yesterday and when we thought the prosecution woudl rest after the last witness they did NOT but instead had a sidebar or whatever. I was watching on Linda and all wondered what the heck was up, though perhaps there would be another witness or something else was going on or who knew.... THEN they did REST. Then it went to arguments on Prior's motion to not dismiss but similar, I forget the term, knew it in above posts. And I have never heard Lindsey Blake so shaky voiced almost throughout and when that ended then here came THIS.

Putting it ALL together, I find it strange... All I can figure is maybe all already knew of it and they did not want to rest (that is when this becomes a problem and can't be amended) but Prior argued they announced yesterday they'd be resting after one more witness?? It would explain her shakiness over what I don't think should have been so worrisome and clearly imo would be denied except she knew of this other thing already and they all did?
 
Oh I must have missed that bit. Last I saw on the live update texts was that Boyce denied Prior's request to dismiss the charge but needed till Monday to see how to correct it.
What I saw was he ruled in favor of P but needed to figure out how to clean it up by Monday or was that in your Tweets, I don't even recall any longer where I saw that. It isn't the end of the world but a very good example of why even sloppier attorneys like the D in Delphi should be off the case. The mistakes here aren't constant and in fact it is rare and look at the big deal. In Delphi it is the norm and yet some don't think it is a big deal. Imo. Lord knows what info in their thousands of pages they have put out that is not accurate but some believe it to be.
 
You know also, I guess it's okay and a stressful case for all and a three day weekend maybe nice for defense, prosecution, judge, etc. but I also don't necessarily agree with taking today off because our courts are always seriously backed up for one, it just makes it longer for the jury for another and next weekend is Memorial Day weekend and already a three day weekend. I'm sure some would have preferred to continue and get this done, and some love the day off. if our courts and trials did not take centuries to even begin it would be one thing, but it isn't the case.

I don't agree with it although it is just my opinion.
 
I don't know how a clerical error like this gets made. it doesn't even sound like it was one that was amended so why did it even get touched? It would be hard enough to believe if an amended count it it wasn't one and so why would it be reprinted or touched at all? ODD. Even if some clerical support went to amend a few of the others, you wouldn't touch that one nor change the dates. I find it really odd. Dismissing one charge would not get Chad off so it isn't like I think something is up that way but I still find it strange. Some member of the support staff is going to be out of a job and imo perhaps should be. However, it is also on them to read EVERY little detail before approving filing. I mentioned in Delphi I worked for attorneys and they would NEVER have missed this NOR would the support staff (one of which was me) but even if we did, they would have caught in. They went over all with a fine tooth comb. It is one reason B & R in that case I judge in a way I feel deserved--tey are beyond sloppy--OR it is intentional. Don't get me wrong, many DA's offices are understaffed and this is a HUGE case/s but it is still kind of hard to fathom how this could happen as it was NOT even one of the counts being amended and even those that were, the amending was in the body of the document it sounds like so WTH?

Sounds to me like he has ruled. He just hasn't decided the correct way to fix it.

And yeah those that make light of sloppiness in Delphi do not get I don't think that one mistake can be HUGE. Maybe the misspelling of one word in most cases might not be BUT IT SHOWS you re NOT proofing your serious court filings and what else might be wrong??! And why would you not WANT to be sure all is correct in what are HUGE nationally known cases?? Or any for that matter.

I still can't fathom how such happened BUT I don't see intent as one charge wouldn't save Chad but go figure it would be JJ's and upset the Woodcocks.

I am a bit suspicious though because I watched this case yesterday and when we thought the prosecution woudl rest after the last witness they did NOT but instead had a sidebar or whatever. I was watching on Linda and all wondered what the heck was up, though perhaps there would be another witness or something else was going on or who knew.... THEN they did REST. Then it went to arguments on Prior's motion to not dismiss but similar, I forget the term, knew it in above posts. And I have never heard Lindsey Blake so shaky voiced almost throughout and when that ended then here came THIS.

Putting it ALL together, I find it strange... All I can figure is maybe all already knew of it and they did not want to rest (that is when this becomes a problem and can't be amended) but Prior argued they announced yesterday they'd be resting after one more witness?? It would explain her shakiness over what I don't think should have been so worrisome and clearly imo would be denied except she knew of this other thing already and they all did?
I think they said it happened in Feb '24 so it hasn't been like that for very long - only 3 months. What happened 3 months ago?
 
Well a couple of possibilities have been bounced around but I agree, we don't know. Her contract could simply be up. Prior did make a deal of how the state was paying an OUT OF STATE prosecutor at his last hearing where he had no paid help and that the State had how many prosecutors. He didn't mention her by name but it is who he meant. Of course we can't know but this is a possibility that it is leveling the playing field some, concern about appeal?

Lauren mentioned that interesting tidbit from Prior's recent motion hearing on withdrawing because Chad was out of money. I think Nate speculated something too but can''t recall what. Of course it isn't known.

I'm sure they are well prepped for trial and she is finishing helping with things for the next month but she did do her part in the last one, each of the three had their duties. So I'm sure they can handle it.

I do wonder if this newly filed evidence was missed discovery by the prosecution or some new last minute scientific evidence? If it was missed then this is going to be a problem imo. Even if NEW, I can see a delay coming as Prior won't have had it for long enough I'm sure he'll say... He's actually already filed such the way it sounds...
This is what was going on in February so maybe that's why the indictments were redone when the new prosecutor came on.
 
This is what was going on in February so maybe that's why the indictments were redone when the new prosecutor came on.
Hmm. Yeah she left and another came on. Odd. You found my post from back then, so that was when this changed or thereabouts...?

I'll tell you if EVERY charge was at risk or had a glitch in it, I'd be HE77 bent on a rare thought of intentional, conspiracy, the church or some such but it was only one of many. Not insignificant by any means but it wouldn't get Chad off or out as he faces a lot more.

I still feel like they knew beforehand because as I said Blake was SOOOO shaky voiced and yet they said they tested so why would they say that if they knew? I think an argument may have ensued that they said the day before they would be resting after one more witness and they had no choice?

The whole end of things yesterday was odd. And Boyce NEVER stays late or keeps it late if he can help it and he did. No surprise though he gave today off.
 
I don't know who all watches Linda, many of us did I now, I know @Kimster does when she see or can etc. This is a wow imo.

She is going a bit out there BUT can any of us deny this case is so horrid and I think we don't know the half of worse stuff? I am pretty sure of that myself and we all like to or would prefer to believe otherwise. She has some GOOD points though and notices of things and her opinion of Chad is so similar to mine, he is a monster, enjoys imo and delights in it all.

I am going to call this a must watch. And I have thought he is the one who killed Tylee and JJ although I go back and forth on it. Man she has some really good points, like about Tylee's skull for instance and the raccoon text and what he had no need to say... I'd say more but would Ike to hear the take of others on it first to not tell what she says.

Not all that long as Linda's never are but she is an expert at packing a lot in in a short time.

 

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