JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

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She received a sentence of 10 years for the grand theft conviction and was also ordered to pay more than $60,000 in fines, civil penalties and restitution.
I actually just searched and found that back in the thread too. I wonder if she ever paid anything so far? I don't see where she would find the money. Similar with Chad as they both seem to have spent it all or given it away.
 
So Chad didnt want to present any mitigation regarding his sentencing. That's a little odd isn't it? So he wouldn't say it was because of his religious beliefs for example?

10:40 a.m. The jurors have been seated. Boyce says the delay this morning was due to “several administrative matters.”
10:38 a.m. Chad says he understands and has chosen not to present evidence in support of himself at sentencing.
10:38 a.m. Boyce reminds Chad that he has the right to present mitigation and defend himself before the jury deliberates over his sentence. Reminder – a mitigating factor is something that does not justify or excuse an act or offense, but may reduce the degree of moral culpability, and thereby reduce the penalty.
10:36 a.m. Boyce says the defense intends not to present mitigation today.
10:35 a.m. Boyce says we are quickly taking up a matter before the jury comes in.
Who knows his reasoning. He wants death I guess because he believes he is eternal anyhow lol. Or looking like a martyr... Prior had prepared mitigation it was said and I think he wasn't happy the way it sounds Chad refused to have any. I think mitigation could have been given the jury before deliberating on verdicts and also heard and considered for the sentence decision of death but they provided none. It would have been he was a good church member, a good boy, a good husband for decades, no criminal record and so on is the type of sh*t they'd say. He chose NOT to speak nor did anyone speak on his behalf after the victims as well.

I just finished watching it. I haven't seen any presser after yet but I watched the entire court thing from today. One thing I did not love is Boyce gave him no "speech" . Boyce said victim impact statements said it pretty much and he saw no need to add further remarks. He DID for Lori though and Lori had victim impact statements. So what the heck? This part can be powerful and imo help the family. There were things said in ours at the end of all by the judge to the defendant and they were things we needed to hear SAID TO HIM, part of such was that he did it and was still lying and not taking responsibility. And he never took the stand but he DID speak on the day we could, then they can.

I think Boyce most DEFINITELY should have as a judge to a murderer like this had more than a few things to say I fail to understand the choice and I think the family deserved such.

No DOUBT the prosecution but more so the victim impact statements PUT CHAD TO DEATH. These jurors weren't all gung ho on death penalty per people who saw them picked, it depended, etc. But AFTER the trial and THOSE statements and anyone who has not watched all of those NEEDS to, they DID IT. They can pat themselves on the back because THEY DID IT. They were ALL very impactful, each and every single one, short and long, said VOLUMES.

I agree with him getting death. It also then though bothers me that Lori did NOT. The perfect justice would be BOTH of them on death row. And it still irritates me and always will that the DP had to be dropped for her.

Colby was on when I got home from his hotel room in ID with wife who is pregnant with child number 3. Expecting a boy. He hasn't been very active on his channel in recent times but says they are going to be doing more. I didn't go back to the beginning and I am guessing they talked of the day/s at court. He said some in the time I saw until it finished but not a ton. Talked about how this feels with all the ID part DONE now, said he has no contact with Lori, they met for the first time all Tammy's family and said how great a family she had. That is a reason to watch the victim statements, EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of Tammy's family of dad, brothers, sister and SIL even did a statement and they were all impactful and each had their own things to say.

It's going to be weird to have this done, not that AZ isn't still big and I THINK Chad MAY end up charged yet with Charles... But the first charges of the three murders in ID for both Lori and Chad are over. I can't imagine the families, we have lived this case for so long and it isn't personally connected to any of us and it's been something else. It may have gone quiet at times but never for long, there's just too much.

Colby's wife sneezed while doing their video and she said allergies. And then she added she's probably allergic to Idaho... LOL. I'm sure she doesn't mean the good people but we all know how she meant it. Lots of mixed feelings but they are glad to be done with the ID part.
 

Someone texted me during the work day to inform me they were coming back and then texted me the results! It sure the heck was nice someone did that!!

If there is someone that deserves death it is Chad. I personally think Lori does too but that unfortunately is water under the bridge.

Nothing will ever bring them back, but families need this and society needs this result of justice.
 
I am wondering if he will have to pay back the insurance companies somehow. But how? .....as he has no money now, supposedly.
Boyce said he's indigent so didn't also fine him but could have but he said something like no point however I think he should have regardless. The man no longer has to worry about money judgments and credit rating.

It will just be on the books owing the insurance companies. If he makes something cleaning toilets in prison they may get $30 a month... Also I'd hope he can't do this but if he made some movie or book deal, proceeds would be taken because he'd have judgments or restitution. Restitution actually is what I mean.
 
Maybe after his house is liquidated, if there’s anything left? Or does would they take it before? There’s probably a lien on the house.
Prior has a lien on it or whatever they arranged. There also may be a mortgage before Prior on it. Chad has no $$ left from that home imo. Prior just served for how many weeks as a one man attorney doing a DP case, his bill alone would eat it up if anything left, imo.
 
I guess it depends. A court order may take precedence over a solicitor's bill. I am also thinking about the money that Chad gave to each of his kids. They may have to give that back to the insurance company via the court. You cannot give away ill-gotten gains and get away with it in a court, if you owe money, especially to an insurance company. If he gave away $9k to each of his children, for example, that's $45k right there.
I will be dollars to donuts Prior has a lien or at least holds title or some such. No money would go to the insurance companies. There would be nothing left.

Something dawned on me today that I would almost bet is what the deal is or part of it. Prior owns it imo in one way or another and he land contracted it so to speak to Emma and she is buying the home/paying PRIOR for a private mortgage/land contract. I think they have some deal made this way and maybe Prior even agreed to take just that and represent Chad to the end and now he is the mortgage company so to speak that Emma and hub pay.

Nate said once Prior owns it and SOMEONE corrected him that Prior was not the ONLY owner or some such... My guess is Emma is the other per land contract/mortgage/private deal. But HE holds the mortgage of Emma imo. Meaning when you have a mortgage with the bank you are STILL the owner (even though bank owns it in a way if you don't pay), you are the deed holder.

Imo Prior doesn't want that house, as far as he ever living in it or using for a rental beyond now or anything else. Chad needed and wanted Emma there and some deal was made and it is their "family" home although it sure isn't the one they grew up in in Springfield but is a graveyard and dark imo. Do you know that Linda thinks HE has other victims and his things did not start with meeting Lori? It reminded me of things I heard early on in this case.... That fast were either shut down or disappeared...

Maybe they should dig up the rest of the yards... I am mostly kidding but he wanted Emma there, not her taking care of things at the home her and Joe were in... Not one part of Chad was worried imo about the kids, it was for some other reason.... And he made the weird remarks about the mattress and his and Lori's things... Needed her to get rid of some things....?

I'm telling ya this is over to a point but there's more that may NEVER surface.

Anyhow back to my point even something Chad said to Emma when recorded was that like he had some private deal with Prior and he wouldn't say it to her, she just needed to do her part and move in and he had the other stuff handled as to their private arrangement or something like that.

Being recorded, but likely Emma very well does know.

Emma was renting. Imo the payment she makes Prior is probably not rent but paying for the place and is a sort of mortgage payment.

Something really wrong with those kids.

I'd also add that he probably has Emma believing this is still the place of the 144 coming together there and she has to continue it and that he will be portaled home one day... He got Tammy and family moving to Rexburg over this sh*t.

Okay. Long day again and I'm wandering. But they do have some private arrangement and it is pretty clear.

And Chad is likely off it all so no sale is going to pay any life insurance company and even if I am wrong, there's no equity left for Chad unless Prior actually GIFTS him money instead of charging him.
 
YVW. I just had another thought about the financials. When Lori was sentenced, was there anything in her sentencing that required her to pay back the Social Security claimed fraudulently for JJ and Tylee? IIRC it was approx $6k per month from Sept 2019 until when the kids were finally found in June 2020, so 9 months at $6k would be around $54k she fraudulently claimed. Does anyone remember?
I think there was with that or a few things and we had similar comments of how would she pay it... A fair amount too in total. Not just a few thou if I recall.
 
She received a sentence of 10 years for the grand theft conviction and was also ordered to pay more than $60,000 in fines, civil penalties and restitution.
I should have read further. Yes, plenty for someone destitute supposedly with no income ahead ever in life except for the few dollars made working in prison jobs. But that does affect them as a percentage has to go out as restitution at least in our state, maybe even all, I am not sure how it works but it affect them in that that "job" money can't go fully to their commissary or whatever it's called. Not going to go into it but I received restitution in my life from someone in prison. It cuts into the little they can earn quite a bit. It was a few thousand in total but it continued throughout ever bit of the prison time. If someone stole your car it could be ordered. Any crime. Restitution. The person was in prison and the small amount of money made from a prison job, a cut came to me, I'll just say that. So that's how I know that. It wasn't much here and there. $30, $50, $19, it varied until paid off. So trust me, hundreds of thousands in life insurance aren't going to ever be paid off by Chad unless he writes some book that the whole world buys and he is rolling in the dough...
 
I should have read further. Yes, plenty for someone destitute supposedly with no income ahead ever in life except for the few dollars made working in prison jobs. But that does affect them as a percentage has to go out as restitution at least in our state, maybe even all, I am not sure how it works but it affect them in that that "job" money can't go fully to their commissary or whatever it's called. Not going to go into it but I received restitution in my life from someone in prison. It cuts into the little they can earn quite a bit. It was a few thousand in total but it continued throughout ever bit of the prison time. If someone stole your car it could be ordered. Any crime. Restitution. The person was in prison and the small amount of money made from a prison job, a cut came to me, I'll just say that. So that's how I know that. It wasn't much here and there. $30, $50, $19, it varied until paid off. So trust me, hundreds of thousands in life insurance aren't going to ever be paid off by Chad unless he writes some book that the whole world buys and he is rolling in the dough...
Or by Lori either for the lesser amount. Although she does have decades ahead of her...
 
Well I watched now the presser after with all LE and then Colby, Tammy's family, Larry and Kay after LE left came out and talked to the press and everyone.

Couple of things. I have said this in many pressers and cases. I HATE how you cannot hear the questions of reporters. WHY with the day and age we live in. Rob Wood answered a couple that i'd have liked to know what the question was but ya couldn't hear it.

When I saw Colby also reminded me I caught maybe the last half of his and his wife's video from their hotel room when I got home and I'm not sure but the first bit I heard was some end of response to someone and I think it was about a memorial, service or burial of Tylee and JJ. I'm not going to get time to go back and watch his from beginning but if anyone can, it may have been about what the plan is. These victims have come together and seem to want to consider each other but I do think legally Colby may have the right as far as the remains of Tylee and JJ. I caught just the end of some answer so it's a guess that was the question or discussion before I came in there. And I don't mean or think he is going to do such without input by others and agreement, I just mean that I think he was talking when there is a plan or what is hoped... Again, it was when I landed in there so guessing he said some prior but I didn't have time to go back and watch what I had missed. My goal was to watch the sentencing and today's stuff and the presser and I did so but watched maybe the last half hour of Colby when I got home first.

Tammy's family was worried Tammy would be lost in this, because of the two kids, and her aunt said this and I know she did not mean that at the childrens' loss or their families. Tammy's family showed up in force in this one. And you know what, I never thought of this but at Lori's Boyce only allowed certain people for victim impact statements depending on relation. EVERY sibling of Tammy's spoke AND her dad AND a SIL. What happened??? Both were ID and Boyce. I said back in Lori's it was b.s. My family had GREAT aunts giving VIS (victim impact statements), great grandma, grandma (me) aunt, etc.

Did the law change or did he have it wrong?

Anyhow just some thoughts on now watching all of today's.

I couldn't watch all of this trial and sure didn't most witnesses, etc. but there were certain things I meant to watch even if after even if really don't have the time and I have. I have of all things closings yet to finish. Even though we already know the outcome now I want to finish and almost had before the new stuff today. So it seems redundant to watch the closings but they are one thing I wanted to. I was up to P's last time up by Blake after Prior and was almost done. I still mean to finish. I wanted to see Chad's kids' testimony and I did watch BOTH. I wanted to watch all of Joe's but have not. Wanted to see closings. Wanted to see verdict. Wanted to see DP stuff and have taken the time to do all of that. OH AND NOT LESSER BUT MORE MAJOR the victim impact statements and I did, every single one.

I don't know if it is weird or not but LE did their presser outside all coming out first. No victim family members were there. After that by minutes, families came outside and then they talked to press in turns. Maybe it was planned and suggested inside. Don't know. Not saying odd really, just that both things were separate.

I cannot even IMAGINE the relief of Wood, Balke, Wixom and Batey, first two especially who have lived and breathed this for years. DONE. They are DONE with the ID part.

And beyond that, relief of the families. The losses and deaths and justice are biggest of course. But then they also get life interrupted for years on end and have to watch all this, endure all this nationally known case with more and more that comes, and when they do get to this point things get delayed and all the court sh*t and they have to travel.

Just now talking, no point.

Caught up with all I wanted to, just haven't seen the end of the last closing which again is lol now why, because I already know all the results but I want to hear it. They were the things I wanted to see I full when couldn't watch all. And I may at some point also go back and watch all of Joe's testimony. If I do, I do, if not I don't.

Finally Lori is still in a county jail as she has the murder of Charles and attempt on Brandon to face yet. Chad may I feel with things seen in this trial be charged with Charles yet.... However, what I don't like is Lori has yet to do a day in prison and if Chad is charged, he may not for some time yet either... Will they charge him or not? I mean he has DP on SIX COUNTS... However, sometimes I do think they need to show the public even If never getting out, YES, we are going to pursue all. They are doing it with Lori. I mean she has how many life sentences but they STILL know other victims and their families need that too. SO often cost, effort and time comes in and they say hey they are never getting out anyhow so why bother...

I just wish they were in prison in between...

And those are the end of my thoughts.

Thank God some are thinking I'm sure.... Lol.
 
Finished the closings finally last night after that post. Lindsey Blake brought it home. I don't even have words adequate to state how off the scales good she is. The work this case and that closing and all must have taken is beyond imagination. For all of them, but she without a doubt is the shining start.

I hate being fair to defense attorneys but Prior's closing was good had any facts or likelihoods been on his side. That's the problem with them in their roles, the rarely are. He tried with the LITTLE Chad left him which was nothing. Chad hung himself. All the texts, calls, conversations and MORE and Lindsey played clips from several or spoke of.

The man did his alone and knew his stuff. He knew the facts, he knew the law, he knew citations and I have to point that out, although I don't like doing so, he is not some B & R like in Delphi. He stayed the course and did represent the evil monster to the end. He got the cases severed, something they wanted throughout. He tried over and over to get the DP thrown off the table for Chad. He did his job. I don't like saying it but feel that has to be said. If the case and facts were on his side, I dare say he'd be a force to be reckoned with. He got though not a single win because this case was STRONG on all counts against Chad, strong enough to bring a unified decision on the DP on ALL counts, not just all guilty verdicts but THAT TOO.

I wasn't able to watch this trial but made sure to go watch certain important things and things I wanted to see like the kids testifying as I've (we have) followed this case from its start. Cases. If I did not work and could have, I would have watched every minute. I did read every single Tweet and appreciate them posted @Tresir I came to count on it as the only way I could "see" most of each day's testimony. Well all but the last few. I didn't read the ones where I had watched the actual recorded events and statements etc. in court as I knew I'd seen the whole thing so no need.

I also kind of half watched one of Nate last night from Crime Con about yesterday but there wasn't anything new in it and it seemed more polished than his normal shows, or not as personal like talking to us type, I think he perhaps did it for Crime Con and an audience there even maybe. He was in a suit and it was more like TV news. He pretty much recapped what I'd already seen. He also prefaced it with like the case info, who they were, what they did, etc. and that seemed like for viewers that did not know or again maybe people at Crime Con. It was good for what I watched but not his norm of talking to us all each night.

And that's a wrap for these two evil monsters and justice for three of their victims and some relief at least for their families. In ID anyhow.

I'd hope Boyce and the prosecution are due for a week or two off in reward after this. They won in both cases on ALL counts AND got the DP unanimously in this one. They sure deserve it but it isn't their only case I'm sure but probably have nothing else even CLOSE to comparing.

I hope the families can heal some. Tammy's family talked of the fractures they suffered due to what Chad did. And honestly I think they meant even within their own ranks. I can understand this so well. I don't have the words but when someone comes in and murders and takes a loved one all that ensues and the grief and the outrage sends everyone reeling. We went through it as each tried to cope and some on different days would have had it and want to go yell publicly but restrained ourselves while others got upset and said don't even think about it and the next day an opposite one would feel the way they advised against to the other just a day or two before. They talked of how they found things out before prosecution could let them know by hearing it in news, etc. and how had that was. CLEARLY they came as a group and together and unified and we did the same although we'd been through HE77 and back to get there privately over the years and to just MAINTAIN but we got there and it made us stronger and we all were unified entirely at the end as I think Tammy's family is as well. It isn't that you aren't, it's that you all reel over different things and your own hurts and at different times and then you have the whole system to deal with throwing more on you. Tammy's dad went first of all witnesses of any family and his was short but impactful. He didn't have to say more as what was said without being said in each thing he said one could intuit easily what he wasn't saying and what he meant.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON in Tammy's family and there were many, mentioned the kids and the fractured relationship. None came down on them except one somewhat. A brother. And he said while he could understand them supporting their dad, their throwing Tammy under the bus and betraying their mother he could not. I am paraphrasing. ALL expressed an openness to repairing the fractures and maybe those are the only fractures the family was talking of but I don't think so. I think in the beginning all may have caused some others here and there. I mean the entire family had to come to believe someone who had been in their family for decades had even done this... I don't think some did until the autopsy..

If Chad was any kind of person, father or man, and we know he is NOT anything close, he is done for now and he would encourage his kids to forget about him and turn to Tammy's family because they are GOOD PEOPLE and they are all they have imo. If he cared about his kids over self which he does NOT, he would do that. Well I guess there is Chad's own family... Things not heard or represented don't come to mind easily but imagine being the perp's family... We know Lori's has been villilfied. Then there is Chad's... Didn't his mother testify at Lori's? Or was it Tammy's mom? I think his... Can't recall right now or bring it to mind or the reason for it...

Anyhow I just am kind of closing things and adding to this thread tons have kept up all these years with all the various news and new zingers that went on constantly, sharing all videos of so many family members who interviewed or spoke out through the years from Annie to cousins of Lori to Kay and Larry to everyone.

Since I did watch most of these ending days even if late to the game to do so, I wanted to add thoughts and what I saw watching the actual recorded days to help complete the ID chapter and have the thoughts down here.

Chad and Lori may have devastated and fractured so many but every single one of these family members (save his kids) are stronger than he and Lori by far and now they are part of a bigger family and all came together over time with ONE solid purpose and SAW that through. We don't need to go into how weak Chad and Lori and most perps really are. Weak in mind, weak to greed and lust, weak in life.

He never shows much but Chad was kind of slumpy yesterday. Shoulders rounded slumped, but nose still in their air as always. Don't know if he does that to be superior or to his a double chin or something lol. The last question asked of Prior and then Chad by the judge the answers were imo kind of terse and testy. Chad's last word was a fairly strong pis-sy in my opinion NO. Not a thank you, not a sir.

I fail to see how Chad nor Lori have portaled themselves free yet... Maybe their powers have been revoked?

This is the last I promise and am trying to find words for it. They all were like they were doing some kids' clubhouse and club. You know when you have a fort in the woods and put a sign on eh dor keep out and your grade school close buddies are part and you come up with a purpose and a club... All in grade school imagination and fun. That's EXACTLY how all these people were, the Mels, Alex, Zulema and Chad and Lori, remember the Harry Potter Chad remark...Never adulted, never grew up, at least for sure true in the case of Lori, Chad and Alex. And YET there was nothing fun or grade school like about the things the club came together for which was MURDER and PROFIT. It's like killing your classmate because she got the cheerleading position, or won for class president, or flirted with your bf. Or killing your bf (in this case hub) because he said no, you'd have more money in your mind with him dead and not have to deal with him. Chad was likely in a midlife crisis which is just a buzz term but fits.... So THEY are all very much like this, immature and so on, and YET look at where they took it to such evil and not just simple killings, HEINOUS ones. Depraved as it was put in the jury instructions or questions. I believe every single one of the wanted to be powerful, rich, some get back at anyone whoever told them know, they wanted to be special, over those they felt had such things, and eliminate anyone an obstacle to some spoiled, entitled, rich, beach living life, etc. like idiots who have not a clue about the real world. I said I didn't have the words and I honestly don't have the words to explain what I feel can be SEEN THOUGH. It is CERTAINLY true of Chad and Lori.

Okay it's not the last. Lindsey Blake had it so down pat and this investigation and all involved garnered SO MUCH and with help from other PDs and more as it ran from Charles' murder to missing kids and then a dead wife and Brandon shot at in various cities and states. I wondered in watch all the last few days and Lindsey's closings what Chad was really thinking. I mean he thought himself so smart, he got a blonde bimbo to agree to killing her own children and her brother to go right along with helping to do so with his niece and nephew! But there was this WOMAN where we can't know all and never will knowing and having figured HIM OUT and putting ALL OF IT out there. Can he face it? Can he admit to self he isn't that manipulative and smart because the world now sees because of that just WHAT he is...? He has stayed silent through almost all years in the court setting. But hearing his voice to Emma, to Lori, to Mel, some we heard before not all, his patriarchal blessing to Alex and telling him he belonged in Rexburg, that tone, that just kind of calm with a bit of attempted not humor but quiet sage (he felt he put on I think) comforting behavior.... God he makes me sick. But to get back to my point. Was his head elsewhere? Or was he thinking of Lindsey Blake's legs and how long it had been.... OR was he reeling from the fact he coudn't believe anyone much less the world could ever see through him? I mean he even covered himself where he thought if anyone went down it would be Alex or Lori, etc.... HE had his phone sh*t shut off and googled how and little of his records were part of this. WAs he BURNING and embarrassed that he isn't so smart and that the prosecutor is smarter and was telling the world? Telling his children who won't listen anyhow but maybe one day.

He doesn't show much but just slight changes in him therefore do stand out as there usually aren't any. I'd say he was hiding petulance. A little slumpy caved in, a very short NO to the judge...

I will guarantee you if out Lindsey would be top on his list and she'd be rated the darkest of the dark...

I don't have the words like I said and can't quite get to what I mean. Cult like, club like, juvenile, people needing to feel special... And then of course there is the master manipulator, cult leader but in this case I think Lori was as well and I don't think Mel G or P was just some dumb go along...

Prior made some good points and one was about Mel G and David being there on that very weekend. I have NEVER bought all of that. Partly because early on shew wasn't even sure of what Weeknd or if they stayed til sunday or Monday or when he or they went and saw the land, etc., etc.. the dream. more. the very weekend JJ was murdered.

One thing I do have an issue with is Lindsey Blake pretty much sealed an unlikely prosecution of any of the others.... She said at some point with each and every one that they believed Chad 100 percent... Said it about Alex, said it about Mel P, said it about all...In other words they are just loyal guppies... I don't agree in some cases.

Anyhow, I think I just am processing by yakking. Ingested all of the end of this and talking it out. And helping end it in my head as well. Oh we will hear more I'm sure. Where he is going, there will likely be more books, documentaries, shows yet now. Appeals perhaps. Lori's trial coming up. I predict with that it will be delayed as many times as defense can do so. Both Chad and Lori are now facing forever in prison and so Lori has no need for a speedy trial and I'm sure the longer one can stay in county the better is what that goal will now be than ever get to prison...

Sorry for the length. And with that, I've wasted my hour of down time before I start moving to get what I have to done around here and ready for work.

Just felt a need to close some out on a case followed for years and so many things in it, so many deaths, so much b.s.

Lindsey Blake's closing took and made this convoluted mess clear, orderly and understandable. How can anyone do such with such a mess? IF there is a prosecutor of the year award she deserves it ten times over.
 
Next stop, Arizona. I heard on one of the clips I watched yesterday that they don’t anticipate that trial to start until next year.
Most think that and I also do. My reasoning is Lori will stay in county as long as she can imo. Some talking heads just think the defense will ask for more time, etc. and such I think. August is right around the corner. I hate thinking that, summer is just beginning...
 

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