JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events

• April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
• December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
• February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
• February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
• June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
• July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
• August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
• September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
• September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
• September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
• September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
• October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
• October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
• October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
• October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
• Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
• November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
• November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
• December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
• December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
• December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
• January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
• January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

The latest timeline in the cases of Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

www.eastidahonews.com

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[Kimster]

Charles and Lori eventually moved back to AZ where Joe still was. In 2018 spring, a brother of Annie's gets a letter from the City of Phoenix looking for a relative to claim Joe's body. The bro called Annie. Shock. This caused Annie to leave urgent messages for Lori. When Lori finally called back, she told Annie she knew about Joe. Annie asks why she didn't tell her and Lori said she didn't think Annie would care. Joe had been dead more than a month at this point.

I'm a bit confused why this letter would trigger a call to Lori if there was such animosity between Joe and Lori, why would claiming his body lead to Lori or Annie think she would if Phoenix could not find family to do so? Maybe there was more in the letter than stated...

Of course this is when Lori invited Annie out to Phoenix to see and comfort Tylee. I think most of us know how that went with Lori in front of Tylee and all saying world was better without Joe, etc. and no sympathy shown Tylee by her mother, etc. The usual odd Lori.

The biggest takeaway from this part is Annie seeing and learning Lori had family photo albums of Joe's, files and paperwork, etc. and that cops would let a divorced ex do so and then later Annie's further confusion when Phoenix PD released photos of THE DAY Joe was found and Annie can't see these files or photo albums in the pics. I get the point here is that was Lori in there prior to Joe's discovery and LE presence? The PD won't respond. He was also a neat freak, place far from neat and the extra lock on the door bothers her. Annie decided on this trip Lori may be a sociopath.

It now goes to 2019 when first learning Tylee was missing.

I guess this is more a play by play (mostly) than a summary but it is here for the long term record for those who can't access it... There is a little less than an hour left but think I am going to take a break and get some things done.

Tylee was Joe’s full heir and had complete access to his things, is what I’m thinking. And since Tylee was a minor, that gave Laurie control over his assets. I know it goes differently from state to state, but that’s how it is here in Oregon.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Sounds like she was delusional long before she met Chad! Wow!

It does, doesn't it?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Why did Cody said that Joe molested him though?

That one bothers me too. The experts don't dismiss his "memories" and acknowledge Cody well could believe that. I am sure they likely think he was coached and even led to believe it at a young age. If you hear something enough you think it happened? (My guesses, they don't say this). The experts don't believe it happened, however.

I guess in the realm of everything now, it doesn't matter other than Joe's name being drug through the mud whether true or false...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Tylee was Joe’s full heir and had complete access to his things, is what I’m thinking. And since Tylee was a minor, that gave Laurie control over his assets. I know it goes differently from state to state, but that’s how it is here in Oregon.

That could be but then it seems odd in a way they send a letter later to family looking for a family member to claim his body. They had just found Joe's body, would they immediately think of finding Lori that very day to claim his personal property at a death scene? Maybe they contacted Lori as Tylee needed to know her dad died? And then Lori pranced on down there and informed them his things all belonged to Tylee? I don't know. One would think they would secure the scene, take the body to the morgue and then start doing such things... Like have an officer go out to Lori's to inform them of the death and break the news to Tylee, not want them at the death scene...

 

[Kimster]

That could be but then it seems odd in a way they send a letter later to family looking for a family member to claim his body. They had just found Joe's body, would they immediately think of finding Lori that very day to claim his personal property at a death scene? Maybe they contacted Lori as Tylee needed to know her dad died? And then Lori pranced on down there and informed them his things all belonged to Tylee? I don't know. One would think they would secure the scene, take the body to the morgue and then start doing such things... Like have an officer go out to Lori's to inform them of the death and break the news to Tylee, not want them at the death scene...

I read somewhere that Joe had Lori down as his emergency contact.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I read somewhere that Joe had Lori down as his emergency contact.

Yeah, I get that. Once they found that on something (I wonder where it was, in his apartment? Did they call a doctor on a prescription bottle and the med facility said she was the emergency contact? Not sure we ever heard where they got that). Also I guess if they considered this an emergency, etc., he was long dead.

I guess what I meant more so is that Annie wonders if officers really let her in that day to take things or if Lori lied when she claimed that. Dateline said they could not get it confirmed by PD one way or the other.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Next part was the same old as when Lori was at some meeting after Joe died where someone recorded her speaking and she tells people that she said she wanted to kill Joe, found in bible it okay if they come at you 3 times etc. Mention by Annie that Lori was paid out a $150,000 life insurance policy on Joe just weeks later.

It was just a few months after that recording of Lori (which was 6 months after Joe's death) when Charles ended up going to the cops and ending up dead.

 

[GrandmaBear]

This next part is a bit new to me. Covers Charles background a bit, came from a big staunchly Catholic family in Louisiana. First name is actually Leland Charles I guess. Was tall and athletic. Became a salesman as an adult in Dallas and was quite good at it.

They have a woman on who was a young Dallas model when she met him and they started dating. She was 19, he 26. She said he was a romancer. They married in '84, Texas sized wedding with big in every way, she says big hair lol... She says he was a go big or go home type and wanted a big family too.

This wife had a miscarriage and said she was disappointed but he was entirely devastated and cried nonstop. She said the confidence in time starts to seem like carelessness. One day he was fiddling with a handgun and it went off and went very near her head... She says in the divorce he became very addictive and aggressive towards her. Divorce finally happens and he ends up in Austin finding love again. Nope, not Lori.

This part is new to me and kind of interesting hearing more about his life pre-Lori, etc. A woman named Cheryl. He marries her in '91. She was 23, he 34. Even though young, both (her too) were pretty successful financially. What he still wanted most though was children. They adopted one of Charles' nephews and then Cheryl gave birth to a son. Wow, not sure I knew any of this. I guess I knew he had grown children. After 12 years marriage went south too. She said they just weren't cut out for each other but this divorce too was angry and bitter.

He then met Lori two years later. This last wife Cheryl said she was happy to see him find his next spouse. Lori insisted he convert to LDS if they were to be married. Charles then helped Lori fight Joe while fighting his own custody battle.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Oh my I guess both custody battles were in the same family court. That's kind of interesting.

Constant looks at various families, hearings, dates, etc. Charles' ex saw Lori more in the courthouse at the custody fight of hers than out of the courthouse. She says Lori was center at both cases and Cheryl saw an instability and did not want Lori around her boys... Charles and Lori later added JJ who was autistic and adopted him. This is about when they then move to Kauai, HI.

Dateline is doing great at keeping this pretty clear and in chronological order. Much we know but there are new things in between here and there. Like both ex wives of Charles on here... The guardian ad litems, etc.

 

[Kimster]

Oh my I guess both custody battles were in the same family court. That's kind of interesting.

Constant looks at various families, hearings, dates, etc. Charles' ex saw Lori more in the courthouse at the custody fight of hers than out of the courthouse. She says Lori was center at both cases and Cheryl saw an instability and did not want Lori around her boys... Charles and Lori later added JJ who was autistic and adopted him. This is about when they then move to Kauai, HI.

Dateline is doing great at keeping this pretty clear and in chronological order. Much we know but there are new things in between here and there. Like both ex wives of Charles on here... The guardian ad litems, etc.

I knew Charles had children from another marriage, but didn't know he'd been married twice before. I also have only heard that he was laid back, but this indicates he's not always that laid back.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Big house in Hawaii on a golf course. Now there is a couple on there, LDS, they met in Kauai. The guy says Charles impressed him and Lori charmed everybody. I guess Lori could really sing and had a beautiful voice. Who knew?? Happy, bubbly, good with the Sunday School kids, teaching them music (Lori)...

This couple showed them island life, fishing, picnics, and more... New pics in this too... JJ on video. Said JJ was a handful but that Charles had patience and calm with him, no anger ever... This couple actually could not believe it when Charles and Lori left this paradise and life in Hawaii and went back to Phoenix in 2018... Charles said JJ needed things the island could not provide. Of course as Keith Morrison says, that's not really going to happen is it...

 

[GrandmaBear]

I knew Charles had children from another marriage, but didn't know he'd been married twice before. I also have only heard that he was laid back, but this indicates he's not always that laid back.

I have to say these men are sounding not the most perfect either... I have sometimes wondered... I mean we see it in all cases, I myself tend to think of the victim if not as a saint well at least a victim and then the other person becomes the pariah basically (the perp). Here we know how evil/bad Lori is but I guess it does not mean she did not have husbands that were far from stellar either...

And yes, the two marriages surprised me. No children in the first I don't believe, just the miscarriage. Then the chldren are with the second. The second wife talks more nicely about him than I would with the custody fight he and Lori likely put her through... I knew Charles had grown sons but I did not know one was again an adopted nephew of Charles... It is not really clear on how custody turned out in their case... Or I didn't pick up on it.

There are also throughout so far a lot of pictures, etc. from like the former Charles' marriage and more... It's pretty good even though of course some is not new.

 

[Kimster]

I have to say these men are sounding not the most perfect either... I have sometimes wondered... I mean we see it in all cases, I myself tend to think of the victim if not as a saint well at least a victim and then the other person becomes the pariah basically (the perp). Here we know how evil/bad Lori is but I guess it does not mean she did not have husbands that were far from stellar either...

And yes, the two marriages surprised me. No children in the first I don't believe, just the miscarriage. Then the chldren are with the second. The second wife talks more nicely about him than I would with the custody fight he and Lori likely put her through... I knew Charles had grown sons but I did not know one was again an adopted nephew of Charles... It is not really clear on how custody turned out in their case... Or I didn't pick up on it.

There are also throughout so far a lot of pictures, etc. from like the former Charles' marriage and more... It's pretty good even though of course some is not new.

I also tend to paint a pretty picture of those who have been victims to murder, but need to remember that they were people with flaws, just like everyone else. They certainly didn't deserve to lose their lives because of it, however!

 

[GrandmaBear]

Next it looks like they are heading to the Chad chapter... Taking a break though to handle other things.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I also tend to paint a pretty picture of those who have been victims to murder, but need to remember that they were people with flaws, just like everyone else. They certainly didn't deserve to lose their lives because of it, however!

I think we all do that and even in normal life when someone dies. As time passes, we go oh but we forget she could be a real pain in the arse on occasion

But yes, I am very pro-victim myself, NO ONE deserves to be murdered in almost all cases except maybe self defense...

 

[Kimster]

Next it looks like they are heading to the Chad chapter... Taking a break though to handle other things.

for the synopsis! Much appreciated!

 

[GrandmaBear]

for the synopsis! Much appreciated!

Lol. it is more a play by play but I hope some are interested in it if they can't watch it.

One last bit and then I am going to have it off for a time.

They end up back in Phoenix in spring of 2018. Morrison ties into how this is also about the time Annie notices Lori's focus on the blblical end times and made that awful remark about thinking it might be better to take her kids over a cliff than deal with the end times. It just makes me realize yet again this case is so convoluted with so many events, places and players that it is hard to know which were around the same time...

This makes me realize this is really about when things started really happening... I mean there had been the stun gun at Joe and custody fights but in 2018 the other stuff all really seems to start... The deaths, the weird beliefs, Chad (although as we saw earlier Lori made strange remarks like that in prior years...)...

 

[GrandmaBear]

for the synopsis! Much appreciated!

And you're very welcome.

 

[RoundPeg]

Yeah, I get that. Once they found that on something (I wonder where it was, in his apartment? Did they call a doctor on a prescription bottle and the med facility said she was the emergency contact? Not sure we ever heard where they got that). Also I guess if they considered this an emergency, etc., he was long dead.

I guess what I meant more so is that Annie wonders if officers really let her in that day to take things or if Lori lied when she claimed that. Dateline said they could not get it confirmed by PD one way or the other.

Just musing. The stench of decomp does not go away easily. Anyone in that apartment, body or no, would need a strong stomach or a gas mask of some sort I would imagine.

 

[RoundPeg]

That one bothers me too. The experts don't dismiss his "memories" and acknowledge Cody well could believe that. I am sure they likely think he was coached and even led to believe it at a young age. If you hear something enough you think it happened? (My guesses, they don't say this). The experts don't believe it happened, however.

I guess in the realm of everything now, it doesn't matter other than Joe's name being drug through the mud whether true or false...

I've always been a little unsettled about this, too. But Colby has maintained this all along. He turned on Lori early on, but stood firm on this. Something there and I don't know what.