JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee
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REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.
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Oh! And she said something that I believe too - and that is the reason Chad got so wrapped up in everything is because Lori was flashing her big smile and tossing her blonde hair around and Chad couldn't resist. Seriously, he appears like the guy who couldn't get a date in high school, if you ask me. Not to be rude because most of those guys make the best husbands, but I think y'all know what I mean by that.
 
Kimster said:
I just remembered something else interesting that Alex' friend said in her interview. She said she couldn't believe Alex could kill Tylee because he adored her. She also said that Lori often called Alex for help in her life's situations.

Since the two remains were disposed of differently, I wonder if Lori didn't kill Tylee herself.
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We can only "intuit" from what we know I guess is the word but Alex strikes me as someone who could be played into even believing he was doing the right thing to protect his family or protect Lori (like with Joseph Ryan or Charles Vallow or Melanie's husband...) A follower and not a leader... Protect his family... What would he do if it came down to family versus family... Lori vs. Tylee having her dad's demon or some such in her...

I can also believe Lori did it. Alex was almost a cuckold of Lori and I think Tylee was to a point but knew better or was realizing... I don't believe Tylee and a bat were involved with Charles as her recollection did not even come close to Lori's account nor Alex's... The ride to take JJ to school was when she was told to just be clueless or say this or that... WHO takes their son to school when a big assault/deal is going on in their home?
 
GrandmaBear said:
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I didn’t watch this one but I watched one that Linda put up a day ago. The defense attorneys are trying to find a way to keep the new attorney from joining the prosecution. There was a motion filed that leads me to believe they think that she’s being added to the team for charges that haven’t been brought up yet. We all know where this is going.
 
Kimster said:



This is an interview from last October with a friend of Alex Cox'. It's over an hour long and I wasn't planning on watching all of it, but it was interesting enough to me that I did anyway! On this video you will hear about the quirks of the Cox family, how Lori seemed shallow to this person, how much Alex loved Colby and Tylee, and more! There's even a little discussion about the mysterious Zulema!
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I did get a chance to watch this recently which is amazing because I often mean to go back and see something but forget.

It was interesting and gave a glimpse into not just Alex but the Cox family. It fits with I think how most of us tend to see him or believe he was. He was most likely more a follower but I still see him as pretty evil, or at least stupid enough to believe everything Lori said. It seems she may have had something on him she held over his head as some think. If he truly loved those kids but could participate, how do you get to that point? Of course this woman, one can't blame her, prefers to think Lori did the killing of both kids and Alex was only part of the after... I somewhat doubt that but who knows?

It sounds like Alex was closer to his brother and to Summer in previous times than to Lori... I think there was a shift when the problems with Charles started and her odd beliefs... It seems most of her family thought Charles was a good man... We know she distrusted Adam who she felt was talking to Brandon and Charles... There are hints that she distrusted her entire family (other than Alex)... We add in the family probably also saw and knew of the attempt on Brandon and the fact Melanie (a grandchild to the Coxes) was also giving Brandon problems and wanted a divorce and the Coxes probably were taking sides... This is likely when perhaps Alex's relationship with Summer and Adam changed and he seemed more all Lori...?

We know later Janice and Summer came to the support somewhat of Lori but I don't find that entirely unusual once she was charged with something and Charles gone... Strange family or not they are family...

Just thoughts.
 
Kimster said:
Oh! And she said something that I believe too - and that is the reason Chad got so wrapped up in everything is because Lori was flashing her big smile and tossing her blonde hair around and Chad couldn't resist. Seriously, he appears like the guy who couldn't get a date in high school, if you ask me. Not to be rude because most of those guys make the best husbands, but I think y'all know what I mean by that.
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I think it is highly likely that is true but I don't think it means Chad was by any means by that point not full of cunning himself even in how he looked at Lori--he did not want children it seemed from the start, his were about grown... There are hints of him possibly with some other women in that strange circle, in ways beyond friendship, so Lori was probably not the first. Just speculation... I do think though once Lori set her eyes to him he picked her easily over any others he may have been thinking of or seeing "on the side"... I can't forget though the dark list etc. came from HIM and mostly contained her children and her family. I'd like to know who was on his, only Tammy?

I agree that Tammy was likely his first and only that he dated and married young and he probably was not one the girls preferred even in the Mormon wards.

I smh at men because I just don't see Lori as that attractive. I don't mean she isn't but not like when younger and not without a whole lot of effort. There are certain types of men though that all it takes is give someone long blonde hair, let them smile at them and there ya go... And she KNEW the types imo most likely to fall into that... Some men would actually consider her anorexic with no curves lol.

It was interesting in the video you shared of Alex's friend about Lori walking around her family in a bikini AND it basically sounded as if that is how she sat down to dinner, etc. with parents, brothers, friend of brother. While not exactly illegal lol, in an allegedly religious Mormon family, it seems a bit out of the norm...?
 
Kimster said:
I didn’t watch this one but I watched one that Linda put up a day ago. The defense attorneys are trying to find a way to keep the new attorney from joining the prosecution. There was a motion filed that leads me to believe they think that she’s being added to the team for charges that haven’t been brought up yet. We all know where this is going.
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Yeah, I didn't watch Linda's because Scott covered that too in a video a few hours before Linda covered it.

I am failing to find amusement any longer at even at Means' antics and motions. This is a case with dead children and I feel a mockery/joke basically is being made of the legal system with all of their entertaining and necessary (I guess) handling of each motion, etc.

I do kind of get their point that they are adding a homicide type of prosecutor to a case that is nowhere close to a homicide charge... So what though? Maybe they want her to take info from this trial as it is held that she thinks can be used in a homicide charge... Who knows? Maybe they want her to help prosecute it because even though smaller charges by far, at the bottom of the charges are two dead kids who were murdered by someone... Is there anything wrong with the prosecution doing that? I doubt it but don't know...
 
Kimster said:
I tried to watch it and couldn’t get access. I’m sure the vloggers will be discussing it soon enough.
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I haven't watched it yet either. May get a chance for just a bit of it today. You know, I don't get it. I can go online and access NBC shows at their site with NO log in and it is not happening through my having cable or TV service either because I don't. Yet a few weeks ago at my mom's we could not get her TV to do it, it kept wanting some sign up/log-in or some other thing through it. I was on her wifi so I went back to my computer and freshly looked up NBC.com and was immediately able to watch what we were trying to get on her TV.

I am positive there is a way but I think whatever TV and services she has were trying to make her pay or sign up or some such, no idea. I also tried to do it through her TV internet page but that did the same. The other possibility is she already has some NBC log in and app and it wanted that log in.

I will stop there at the tech stuff I don't understand to not sidetrack the thread. Just letting others know it is free a day later if they can figure out how easy it works for me. I just go to NBC and choose and watch, nothing more to it. Dateline, 'Days of our Lives, This is Us, all and any of them... AND all seasons.
 
Well I will try. For a synopsis as I watch. I am not good at short sometimes as you all know.

I have started it and first of all it's Keith Morrison and right off the bat, his narrative, voice and tone, etc. kind of hooks me. Tons of pictures as the show goes, many seen before, some I am unsure I have. He is with Annie (Joe's sister) first in an interview. I am still on that.

I guess the main thing so far I am getting out of it, if you have not watched Annie's good (but very long) videos is Joe was not perfect. He had a very hot temper, even displayed in front of the kids. This temper led to Annie not seeing him again to her regret. And he wanted apparently "perfection" in life...

I'll be back. Not sure if I will watch it all today or not but am watching some now.
 
Okay. Now they have two people who were appointed by the courts over custody of Tylee, GALs and I believe it said experts in the allegations etc. Neither believe Joe molested either child. In fact, there was one story allegedly Lori gave of an incident that made no sense. They also said she fit many of the criteria of a falsely accusing mother. AND she said if he was not found to have done these things, she needed it to go that way, she would take off with the kids and move to Mexico! Now how does a court allow that after it is said? Also, Lori believed Tylee to be Lori's dead sister(!) and said this to them as well as some other of her odd things.

These people and some of this is new to me, at least I don't recall seeing them before... They are still on, going back to it.

Note: I am of course paraphrasing.
 
Supposedly these two experts concluded at the end that Joe was not a danger to Tylee, Even so, in a 2007 jury trial (who has jury trials for these things?) a judge still gave Joe only some visitation and made Lori 5 year old Tylee's sole conservatorship her mother Lori. The woman GAL is saying if this had went even somewhat differently all those years ago in 2007, the kids may be alive today. By the time of this decision, Lori was already married to Charles. Charles and Lori moved Tylee away from Joe from Texas to Arizona.

Joe followed and Lori did all she could to keep Tylee away from him and it was enough to get Lori was charged with judicial interference.

In 2014 Charles and Lori then moved Tylee to Hawaii, far away. Annie says this move was to completely sever ties between Tylee and Joe. Joe tried to do something about it but as Annie says, Lori kept finding loopholes and doing things or whatever she wanted if she did not like the way something was going.

Note: My question would be how a judge decided what he did in 2007 against advice of TWO experts who looked in detail at the situation. I also don't get the jury part.
 
I do have to say I wonder if it hurt Joe that Annie stayed in touch with Charles and Lori and even went on vacation with them and not with Joe while Lori was doing these things to Joe? I am not judging but simply thinking how families don't always realize in a split of a couple in their own family, what the "other" half of that couple is or who may truly be the real problem or "demon" in this case... Others just don't like to "take sides" and I get that too.
 
Charles and Lori eventually moved back to AZ where Joe still was. In 2018 spring, a brother of Annie's gets a letter from the City of Phoenix looking for a relative to claim Joe's body. The bro called Annie. Shock. This caused Annie to leave urgent messages for Lori. When Lori finally called back, she told Annie she knew about Joe. Annie asks why she didn't tell her and Lori said she didn't think Annie would care. Joe had been dead more than a month at this point.

I'm a bit confused why this letter would trigger a call to Lori if there was such animosity between Joe and Lori, why would claiming his body lead to Lori or Annie think she would if Phoenix could not find family to do so? Maybe there was more in the letter than stated...

Of course this is when Lori invited Annie out to Phoenix to see and comfort Tylee. I think most of us know how that went with Lori in front of Tylee and all saying world was better without Joe, etc. and no sympathy shown Tylee by her mother, etc. The usual odd Lori.

The biggest takeaway from this part is Annie seeing and learning Lori had family photo albums of Joe's, files and paperwork, etc. and that cops would let a divorced ex do so and then later Annie's further confusion when Phoenix PD released photos of THE DAY Joe was found and Annie can't see these files or photo albums in the pics. I get the point here is that was Lori in there prior to Joe's discovery and LE presence? The PD won't respond. He was also a neat freak, place far from neat and the extra lock on the door bothers her. Annie decided on this trip Lori may be a sociopath.

It now goes to 2019 when first learning Tylee was missing.

I guess this is more a play by play (mostly) than a summary but it is here for the long term record for those who can't access it... There is a little less than an hour left but think I am going to take a break and get some things done.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Okay. Now they have two people who were appointed by the courts over custody of Tylee, GALs and I believe it said experts in the allegations etc. Neither believe Joe molested either child. In fact, there was one story allegedly Lori gave of an incident that made no sense. They also said she fit many of the criteria of a falsely accusing mother. AND she said if he was not found to have done these things, she needed it to go that way, she would take off with the kids and move to Mexico! Now how does a court allow that after it is said? Also, Lori believed Tylee to be Lori's dead sister(!) and said this to them as well as some other of her odd things.

These people and some of this is new to me, at least I don't recall seeing them before... They are still on, going back to it.

Note: I am of course paraphrasing.
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Sounds like she was delusional long before she met Chad! Wow!
 
GrandmaBear said:
Supposedly these two experts concluded at the end that Joe was not a danger to Tylee, Even so, in a 2007 jury trial (who has jury trials for these things?) a judge still gave Joe only some visitation and made Lori 5 year old Tylee's sole conservatorship her mother Lori. The woman GAL is saying if this had went even somewhat differently all those years ago in 2007, the kids may be alive today. By the time of this decision, Lori was already married to Charles. Charles and Lori moved Tylee away from Joe from Texas to Arizona.

Joe followed and Lori did all she could to keep Tylee away from him and it was enough to get Lori was charged with judicial interference.

In 2014 Charles and Lori then moved Tylee to Hawaii, far away. Annie says this move was to completely sever ties between Tylee and Joe. Joe tried to do something about it but as Annie says, Lori kept finding loopholes and doing things or whatever she wanted if she did not like the way something was going.

Note: My question would be how a judge decided what he did in 2007 against advice of TWO experts who looked in detail at the situation. I also don't get the jury part.
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Why did Cody said that Joe molested him though?
 
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