JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee
www.eastidahonews.com

The latest timeline in the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell cases - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.
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Tresir said:
It isn't that far about 850-900 miles? I guess she would likely have to be in jail overnight sometimes.
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Well the trials alone I would think would have them housing her for weeks. But don't get me wrong, where she is safest housed in custody with facilities to do it is best. I will give Lori a nod here which kills me, I don't think she has ever tried to escape or batter officers etc. like Letecia Stauch did but I have no doubt she has tried to get he portal door topen... Now THAT sounds like she is mentally ill but I do not buy that, she cannot give up the persona that has always worked for her even before these "newer" beliefs. It would take me a day which I don't have to explain what I mean but comes from actually I think Rex on one of their shows. Was it a grandma that had visions or some such... Oh I agree there is stutff that made her even back when faking having such and I'm sure the religion played in but she has always lied and learned to manipulate imo from an early age AND THAT is not mental illness. The woman has always wanted to be special. Don't most people? She however more so than most... And she is revenge driven. My opinion. If you don't follow Lori you pay. Cross Lori you pay. FAmily always believed her but when one had a doubt... They paid. All the way back to Joe and before.
 
Tresir said:
Colby is pretty close with Kay and Larry so I am sure something will be worked out.
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I haven't picked up in that in recent times so much as back when but I hope you are right and know this. I do know they all would likely work together with regard to this s ALL want these innocent kids laid to rest.
 
RoundPeg said:
Governors always have to sign extradition agreements.
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I agree with that when it comes to an agreemnt but there can also be waiving extradition then no need right or a defendant fighting it which then can go through the court process or the governor can come in instead to speed it? I in no way am sure that's the case and may be all wet but if she agreed to extradition would there be a need? Maybe for costs and housing and such but otherwise... I may have it all wrong, n doubt, but some case from back when when the guy fought extradition and didn't waive it makes me think that.

Again I may have that all wrong. But just like a governor can pardon, they go to the powers that be if it is being fought on the local level...

A bit too much for me right now and again I likely have it all wrong...
 
GrandmaBear said:
I agree with that when it comes to an agreemnt but there can also be waiving extradition then no need right or a defendant fighting it which then can go through the court process or the governor can come in instead to speed it? I in no way am sure that's the case and may be all wet but if she agreed to extradition would there be a need? Maybe for costs and housing and such but otherwise... I may have it all wrong, n doubt, but some case from back when when the guy fought extradition and didn't waive it makes me think that.

Again I may have that all wrong. But just like a governor can pardon, they go to the powers that be if it is being fought on the local level...

A bit too much for me right now and again I likely have it all wrong...
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I honestly can not figure out what you're saying. The governor (State) of Arizona requested the governor (State) of Idaho hand her over. It's absolutely standard procedure.
 
They are also involved with Julie Rowe’s teaching, just like Lori and Chad!!!!




ETA: After watching the interview with his dad and my eyes getting wet, I decided to make a thread for this 16-year-old boy. I hope they find him soon!

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AZ - BLAZE THIBAUDEAU: Missing from Gilbert, AZ with Doomsday Family - 23 Oct 2023 - Age 16 *Found Safe*

Sixteen-year-old Blaze Thibaudeau was last seen around 5 p.m. on Monday with his non-custodial mother, Spring Thibaudeau, and his older sister, Abigail Thibaudeau. Police believe his mother then took him out of the state. The FBI believes he could be traveling with his mother and sister as well...
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RoundPeg said:
I honestly can not figure out what you're saying. The governor (State) of Arizona requested the governor (State) of Idaho hand her over. It's absolutely standard procedure.
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It is far more common they waive extradition and you never hear of governor involvement at all (or we never hear of it or the need for it). For one, I am asking if she fought refused to waive extradition. When they won't waive it, there then is a longer court procedure that usually results in them going anyhow (to the other state). I may have it wrong but the governor route is another option and cuts through that. Again I may have it wrong but that's what my distant memories of such are.

I am wondering mostly if she refused to waive it. And other than that simply trying to recall the different avenues correctly. I don't think the governors generally are involved when a defendant waives extradition but I could be wrong on that as well.
 
Kimster said:
They are also involved with Julie Rowe’s teaching, just like Lori and Chad!!!!




ETA: After watching the interview with his dad and my eyes getting wet, I decided to make a thread for this 16-year-old boy. I hope they find him soon!

www.crimewatchers.net

AZ - BLAZE THIBAUDEAU: Missing from Gilbert, AZ with Doomsday Family - 23 Oct 2023 - Age 16 *Found Safe*

Sixteen-year-old Blaze Thibaudeau was last seen around 5 p.m. on Monday with his non-custodial mother, Spring Thibaudeau, and his older sister, Abigail Thibaudeau. Police believe his mother then took him out of the state. The FBI believes he could be traveling with his mother and sister as well...
www.crimewatchers.net www.crimewatchers.net
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Gilbert, AZ, last seen in ID, Julie Rowe, LDS Church, custody...

Yeah they need to really ignore the other people and institutions surrounding the case here and now this one. Not.

I have always said in Daybell there are more people than we even know of that are being left out of it all.

She did not think her son a zombie though...
 
GrandmaBear said:
It is far more common they waive extradition and you never hear of governor involvement at all (or we never hear of it or the need for it). For one, I am asking if she fought refused to waive extradition. When they won't waive it, there then is a longer court procedure that usually results in them going anyhow (to the other state). I may have it wrong but the governor route is another option and cuts through that. Again I may have it wrong but that's what my distant memories of such are.

I am wondering mostly if she refused to waive it. And other than that simply trying to recall the different avenues correctly. I don't think the governors generally are involved when a defendant waives extradition but I could be wrong on that as well.
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I think you're confusing the processes. Lori is a convicted criminal who is in the custody of the state of Idaho. She cannot just decide to "waive extradition" and meet an Arizona officer at the curb.
 
RoundPeg said:
I think you're confusing the processes. Lori is a convicted criminal who is in the custody of the state of Idaho. She cannot just decide to "waive extradition" and meet an Arizona officer at the curb.
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There MAY be a difference between a convicted incarcerated individual and one simply charged and in jail awaiting trial, I never thought of that and am unsure. That alone may bring the governor in, no idea.

Waiving it means they agree to go and no fight takes place and there is no extradition hearing. That is what I keep asking, did Lori wave it and agree to go or is going to fight it? And I guessed rightly or wrongly THAT is what brought the governor in.

Of course she can't meet anyone on the curb nor could any jailed defendant or imprisoned convict by waiving. They aren't free. Whether she fought it or waived it she can't meet anyone at any curb so not sure I get that one.

GENERALLY if someone charged and under extradition waives it, all is agreed off they go to the other state without ever hearing a word about any governors. If they refuse to do so, that is fighting extradition and a hearing at minimum is held and generally they eventually end up shipped off anyhow and ordered such be done and again no governor is heard of, it goes to a hearing.

IT MAY BE different with a convict, again I never thought of that, however, she is not convicted of the AZ crimes.

My guess is the governor thing is as much or more to do with housing, finance, cost and who handles what than with actual extradition proceedings or lack thereof.

And at the end of the day my question I don't think is still answered, whether she waived extradition or not or had the chance to even or if she is fighting it. My iniitial thoughts were maybe we had a governor's order if she refused to waive it for one thought. Or maybe she gets no such chance as a nonconvict would. I don't know that part/if there is a difference.

Generally to my knowledge extradition can be waived or fought. Waived meaning waiving a hearing and just agreeing to be extradited.
 
GrandmaBear said:
There MAY be a difference between a convicted incarcerated individual and one simply charged and in jail awaiting trial, I never thought of that and am unsure. That alone may bring the governor in, no idea.

Waiving it means they agree to go and no fight takes place and there is no extradition hearing. That is what I keep asking, did Lori wave it and agree to go or is going to fight it? And I guessed rightly or wrongly THAT is what brought the governor in.

Of course she can't meet anyone on the curb nor could any jailed defendant or imprisoned convict by waiving. They aren't free. Whether she fought it or waived it she can't meet anyone at any curb so not sure I get that one.

GENERALLY if someone charged and under extradition waives it, all is agreed off they go to the other state without ever hearing a word about any governors. If they refuse to do so, that is fighting extradition and a hearing at minimum is held and generally they eventually end up shipped off anyhow and ordered such be done and again no governor is heard of, it goes to a hearing.

IT MAY BE different with a convict, again I never thought of that, however, she is not convicted of the AZ crimes.

My guess is the governor thing is as much or more to do with housing, finance, cost and who handles what than with actual extradition proceedings or lack thereof.

And at the end of the day my question I don't think is still answered, whether she waived extradition or not or had the chance to even or if she is fighting it. My iniitial thoughts were maybe we had a governor's order if she refused to waive it for one thought. Or maybe she gets no such chance as a nonconvict would. I don't know that part/if there is a difference.

Generally to my knowledge extradition can be waived or fought. Waived meaning waiving a hearing and just agreeing to be extradited.
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She didn't fight it.
 
Here's a short clip with an interview of those involved in Joe Ryan and Lori Daybell's custody battle over Tylee. Both professionals felt Joe should have visitation and the charges of molestation were completely bogus.

 
Kimster said:
Here's a short clip with an interview of those involved in Joe Ryan and Lori Daybell's custody battle over Tylee. Both professionals felt Joe should have visitation and the charges of molestation were completely bogus.

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That's pretty much where I lean. I listened to Joe's atty and various things through these years. I hate doubting Colby IF true but if not, he can be excused considering what he had for a mother and the thoughts that were likely put into his head and mind from a young age and even a misguided loyalty when he backed it up a couple of years ago.

I BELIEVE she even said it about Tylee but that one didn't get pushed as hard as that he molested Colby (the child that wasn't his) She is one evil piece of something.

I haven't watched this unless it is an older show/clip. But I have watched a lot on such over the years including Annie.

I hate to doubt Colby but I am going to just say it as it should be said--I don't believe Joe did this. My mind can be changed but from all I've heard, and seen, and what we know of Lori and her attempt to destroy Joe, I don't buy it.
 
GrandmaBear said:
That's pretty much where I lean. I listened to Joe's atty and various things through these years. I hate doubting Colby IF true but if not, he can be excused considering what he had for a mother and the thoughts that were likely put into his head and mind from a young age and even a misguided loyalty when he backed it up a couple of years ago.

I BELIEVE she even said it about Tylee but that one didn't get pushed as hard as that he molested Colby (the child that wasn't his) She is one evil piece of something.

I haven't watched this unless it is an older show/clip. But I have watched a lot on such over the years including Annie.

I hate to doubt Colby but I am going to just say it as it should be said--I don't believe Joe did this. My mind can be changed but from all I've heard, and seen, and what we know of Lori and her attempt to destroy Joe, I don't buy it.
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Lewis and Ware said they think Colby believes it because of Lori’s manipulation. He was a kid, too. They know what he said, we don’t. These two are professionals and have seen it over and over again so they knew what was going on. It’s too bad they didn’t realize that Joe’s life was in danger.
 
Kimster said:
Lewis and Ware said they think Colby believes it because of Lori’s manipulation. He was a kid, too. They know what he said, we don’t. These two are professionals and have seen it over and over again so they knew what was going on. It’s too bad they didn’t realize that Joe’s life was in danger.
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Yeah, kind of where I'm at where I say one can't blame Colby and he may even well believe it but at minimum when he confirmed (since the kids\ disappearance early on, I think it was manipulation or still some misguided loyalty and hoping all would turn out okay and even that his mom wasn't what it was starting to look as if she was. I an excuse him AND as you say, he may well believe it even. But when I saw him confirm it I felt an untruth and a hesitation so I do think he has come to doubt the truth of it and this was a few years ago...

But yes, I agree. I hate to doubt any child claiming such but I am saying it now, I don't buy it i this case. Colby could change my mind but either way, I don't put anything on him if it is false which I think it likely is.
 
RoundPeg said:
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Well this was predicted some time back and I guess that prediction was right.

Boyce, imo, did mess this up.

Neither one is going to go to their wanted eternity with the rest of the world gone and they don't "die" anyhow...

Half sarcasm. Prior has been made fun of a lot but he is going to put on a case imo unlike Archibald. I dislike in general most defense attys a all know but all the jokes about this one have failed to pay attention to the fact he is not Mark Means, he knows his stuff, imo and has more than a passing knowledge of criminal court and trying cases. Lori's atty. put on NO case, from what we here due to her stopping him from doing so. It will be interesting to see if Chad lets his atty. throw Lori under the bus. I suspect he will and she will still stand by him (gag) and it won't phase her. He also has to to prove his lies to his own children IF indeed he even cares about that.

I think it is a good argument sadly and I put the blame squarely on the judge that neither of these two will face the death penalty, she didn't and he will likely not either because she didn't. I feel this was a strategy throughout and it worked for them, one wanting speedy, one not; one wanting cameras, one not.

The Judge was the biggest delay in Lori's case there was, more than either side. Imo.
 
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