JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events

• April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
• December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
• February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
• February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
• June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
• July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
• August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
• September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
• September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
• September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
• September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
• October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
• October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
• October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
• October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
• Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
• November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
• November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
• December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
• December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
• December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
• January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
• January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

The latest timeline in the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell cases - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

www.eastidahonews.com

edited by staff to add new media link

Are Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow Daybell serial killers? Has their doomsday cult finally ended? Keep up-to-date on this bizarre case!

Keep up-to-date on this case at Crimewatchers.net!

www.crimewatchers.net

 

[RoundPeg]

I would like to remind everyone of when Chad was looking for a rental property in Hawaii in November of 2019. This was within days of Chad and Lori marrying. He described himself and Lori as "no pets, no kids".

That is damning to me.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I thought of that the other day and mentioned it I think but It may have been in a chat and not here. Can't recall.

He also I believe said to his friends, relatives or children, SOMEONE I think a friend, that he had met a widow with no children. Didn't he? Or introduced her and said that? AGain I recall it but don't have the details fresh. A church lady or couple or some such? Or to his kids?

Not trying to make anyone look it up lol. I just know he did but can't recall to who. Someone in Rexburg not in Hawaii. It's like the pic recently. I remember but had to be reminded of the details.

 

[Kimster]

It depends on who and what you believe and that includes David and Mel G. And it was said on one of those weekend days or nights he was there but then think he left by one and not the other or some such. Chad I mean. It was also said somewhere by someone that CHAD took JJ upstairs and I got the impression for discipline and to put to bed by himself and was gone for some time. I WISH I knew where this was said and how to find and link it. EVERYTHING Mel G said about that weekend I find partial, not entirely truthful and her vaguenesss at certain points or mix up on days not believable.

But yes they are going to hang Alex, Lori too but Alex is going to be the key one as shown in opening statement. Here's my take. Lori chased and caught Chad by her beauty and sex experiencea and tricks and treatment of his little storm. Alex had always been this brother that would do anything for Lori and over the years he on his own got out of control and I'm not sure why they are going to claim he or Lori would want the kids killed but it will likely be something like Lori just said to him one day that she coudln't take it any longer and that JJ acted out all day, she had no help, Prior will NOT say Chad had rated the kids dark, and Tylee was giving her attitude and that Alex figured the way to save who he always saved and helped, Lori, was to kill the kids? I mean HOW are they going to explain that if not something off the wall like that? I am of course speculating wildly but I mean they have a lot to explain that is not explainable. Alex knew these kids their entire lives. Chad did not and Chad wanted nothing to do with them nor wanted a woman with children still at home.

I don't remember reading that Chad ever took JJ upstairs. I'd love to know more about it if someone comes across that information.

 

[Kimster]

Lol join the club. My memory worries me these days but then on occasion I remember something and all of it but not just this one part or whatever and it amazes me.

I remembered the photo but could not for the life of me place all the facts about it but in more talking about it thought of pot brownies and such and as it turns out, I wasn't far off as it related to the passing of the cannabis thing and people's comments at the time.

So what do you make of the photo? It wouldn't have any meaning or color or bias to us if we didn't know of this case or there was no case and we didn't know of the people, it would just be someone's group photo if we saw a friend say on FB post it of one of their trips or fun times. However, there is a case/s and we do know of it and this group...

I can't really form an opinion on one photo taken where it has been said some of them were meeting for the first time, it was during a conference gathering, etc.

 

[Kimster]

They didn't dare put Alex in the bedroom while Chad was in bed with Tammy. They had to make her natural causes. He sewed himself in on that one. Have to explain one set of murders one way and the other another way. AGain as I say in many cases, a bit too many things to explain with too many different reasons for all to get out of all...

I think the defense is going to have an expert on the stand to try and sway the jury into thinking Tammy died of natural causes. That's one part of this trial and that I want to study closely.

 

[Kimster]

I would like to remind everyone of when Chad was looking for a rental property in Hawaii in November of 2019. This was within days of Chad and Lori marrying. He described himself and Lori as "no pets, no kids".

That is damning to me.

Very much so! Chad absolutely knew those kids were long gone.

 

[Kimster]

I thought of that the other day and mentioned it I think but It may have been in a chat and not here. Can't recall.

He also I believe said to his friends, relatives or children, SOMEONE I think a friend, that he had met a widow with no children. Didn't he? Or introduced her and said that? AGain I recall it but don't have the details fresh. A church lady or couple or some such? Or to his kids?

Not trying to make anyone look it up lol. I just know he did but can't recall to who. Someone in Rexburg not in Hawaii. It's like the pic recently. I remember but had to be reminded of the details.

Yes, I think he told his kids this story.

 

[RoundPeg]

I don't remember reading that Chad ever took JJ upstairs. I'd love to know more about it if someone comes across that information.

He didn't. Alex did. Alex had taken JJ to his apartment and brought him back (supposedly asleep) and took him upstairs. I'm of half a mind that JJ was not asleep, but deceased.

 

[Kimster]

He didn't. Alex did. Alex had taken JJ to his apartment and brought him back (supposedly asleep) and took him upstairs. I'm of half a mind that JJ was not asleep, but deceased.

Yes, I know about this situation. I was wondering if there was another time when Chad was involved with JJ at all. I don't remember it, if he was.

 

[Kimster]

Here's a link to a refresher course on what the Daybell kids said in an interview back in Sept. 2021. They didn't even believe their dad had a sexual relationship with Lori at that time.
Chad Daybell's children claim he was "fooled in the worst, most deadly way possible" by Lori Vallow

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don't remember reading that Chad ever took JJ upstairs. I'd love to know more about it if someone comes across that information.

I know. It bothers me that I don't recall where I heard it. It wasn't rumor. It was from like Mel G or some such in an interview. We all saw the known ones like Nate's. This was later though. Maybe in released interviews from a PD? I'm not sure either that I saw it in print I may have heard her say it. Remember when interviews were released of like her and Zulema and even Lori's sister, and so on. We got huge dumps over weeks. I am not swearing to it but I think that may have been where it comes from. Don't hold me to it.

I had somewhat forgotten as it seemed to never be picked up on big or talked of, all cases and even channels, were getting so much dumped in this one or some such. Just like the Halloweenish pic I never thougt of it but never forgot either until all this talking recently (I don't get time so more talk triggers and when I get time to kind of refresh a case by talking of it).

It would sound almost like a rumor and someone mixed up Alex being seen with JJ and taking him to or from his apartment and so on but no, it wasn't. It was earlier that evening, I believe it was the same even Chad taking him upstairs. JUST Chad. And being gone for awhile. I WISH I had time and knew when or where to find it or search for it, I am not good on searching in threads and so on. IF I mentioned it here but would think I would have as it bothered me greatly.

It WAS that weekend and it WAS at Lori's apt. Like the picture, I am not asking that you take it on blind faith with me, but I was on with that one, just couldn't recall all same here. I am pretty darned certain.

I am thinking it was then. there were hours of document and interview dumps over days. From Gilbert? Rexburg? I took hours to watch the interviews, etc. AGain I am not swearing that is where it came from but it came from someone THERE. Couldn't be Alex. Pretty sure it was Mel G.

So the other part of this is Prior makes a point of trying to show Chad was not even at Lori's that weekend with the rest. I don't believe that's true and it is also one of the things I think Mel G lied about and wavered about. I can't recall but I think she said he was for a bit, not long but didn't stay or some such. I know you don't agree and that's fine but when one gets a sense on her and then goes and rewatches.... Would butter melt or not melt in either Mel's mouths... I have my opinion on that.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I can't really form an opinion on one photo taken where it has been said some of them were meeting for the first time, it was during a conference gathering, etc.

I get that and can understand. Perhaps if you'd seen it when we were at what point and thoughts it may have affected differently though.

I forgot and it is a reminder in and of itself how Lor was into stuff and had Chad and others in their home when Charles was gone. And I'm not going to quote as I can't recall but Mel G talked of this too and how well they didn't share a bedroom but....

That woman tells some truths, it is just fathoming what is and isn't truth and that's a difficult one.

I haven't thought of some of this in some time but as happens, this is in trial, active and the more I talk of it things pop in the head. I mean man like almost all of us I watched and read almost everything. Hours of interviews, Horus of videos even Annie's and no one can deny hers are a day long every single one. I had more time then and a need to distract myself.

 

[GrandmaBear]

He didn't. Alex did. Alex had taken JJ to his apartment and brought him back (supposedly asleep) and took him upstairs. I'm of half a mind that JJ was not asleep, but deceased.

That isn't what I am talking of. I know and even said one could think the names are mixed up and it is about Alex with JJ but it isn't. Chad took JJ up to bed at Lori's apartment. And it came from someone there in some interview and it almost had to be Mel G.

Since I cannot link it, I do get that it may seem like I have it confused but it isn't the case. I BELIEVE, not sure, this is before Alex was seen with JJ the same night. Or that weekend. It could have come from DAvid but I don't think so as I never recall watching any police, etc. video with him. So that leaves Mel G. Or Mel P and I don't think it was her.

Anyhow, not arguing, just saying it isn't the same thing and I am not confusing Alex with Chad. Not saying anyone needs to take my word for it as I can't link it but it exists out there. Somewhere. In something.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yes, I know about this situation. I was wondering if there was another time when Chad was involved with JJ at all. I don't remember it, if he was.

It was that night or that weekend and I am almost positive the same night. THe same night Mel G has her odd things about David having a dream, Lori not answering when she kicked on her bedroom door, etc. but this was I believe when all were in the kitchen that night and before Alex was ever seen with JJ and Chad took him upstairs. I cannot recall if there was anything about his acting out and he needed to be taken up by Chad or if I inferred that and discipline just from hearing it. I do recall thinking you are not this boy's father nor his stepfather nor does he know you most likely and what are you doing taking this boy up to bed.

AGain, I am not trying to convince anyone and I forget a lot but when I am sure on something, I am sure or I say otherwise. With the doubts here I have even wondered if some channel could have misinterpreted and said it and it isn't straight from a source but I am pretty positive not. I do not go solid or recall solid my opinion UNLESS said to LE or from someone there etc. I am always count on that.

It is weird though in a few things have disappeared in this case from back in the early days but this was not in the early days. If I had to guess it came from an interview of Mel G with police. Again I am NOT SURE on that. It wasn't at Loris' trial was it? I mean she did try to make Chad the one more than Lori. No, it was longer ago than that. But not way back either.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yes, I know about this situation. I was wondering if there was another time when Chad was involved with JJ at all. I don't remember it, if he was.

That brings some thoughts. Where were the kids when Lori hosted Chad and the other convention guests and Charles was gone.

Who knows as far as if Chad was ever around the kids much.

But Lori moved to Rexburg with both kids as far as we know and with Alex and Mel P in tow. I could sidetrack here too into the Mel G and Ian thing, anyone recall that?

Anyhow it is a no brainer that Lori went to Rexburg as that is where Chad was and all was meant to become their compound, etc. Where Mel G and DAvid were to and did see land that weekend, another hazy not overly touched on story next to Chad's. Chad was heir leader, their guru and I know Mel G was mostly on board, not sure on David. Mel P. certainly was and here was Alex too... All moved... Not MEl G but boy that weekend they were sure there. With unmatching and somewhat vague total recollections.

I don't know if Chad was ever around the kids much hard to say. That doesn't mean he wasn't there at Lori's that weekend. Heck they all moved to go on with the plans. He had walked the track like kissing Lori and such at BYU when Mel G was up there, she said as much. While Tammy still alive and the kids too so of course Chad encountered these kids and even probably wanted them gone. He was at Lori's with Alex when they did the welfare check unloading or loading a truck, I forget. Of course by then all three were dead.

One point I am trying to make is he WAS at Lori's that weekend and he certainly had been around JJ and probably Tylee. Remember as well he as also rating these kids.

Prior would have all believe Chad had no part was not involved nor could have had any knowledge of Charles' murder, Brandon's shooting and so on.

Chad took JJ upstairs. Alone. And while I can't say I saw it I know it comes from someone there and I am pretty certain it was Mel G in a different or further interview than the one with Nate.

And of course we know the kids were buried on his property and that TOOLS had Tylee's DNA on them. And so yeah, Chad did have contact with these kids. Intimate contact imo.

I myself as I say these things am just realizing some things.

If the date is true, Lori and Chad knew each other for a year prior. She had him at the house for the convention. I do not believe for a moment they were going to be one happy family with all their kids and Chad did things with Lori and the kids. But did the kids meet or encounter Chad? I'd about bet on it. And this was Rexburg. If Chad wasn't at Lori's the whole time he was part of it all. He was the one wanting to show David the land he hoped someone could purchase and them another couple of their anointed group and plan of he 144K leaders...

 

[Guess Who]

I've also thought all along his death was Covid related. Well, after the autopsy report showed up. I personally know people whom I am convinced (they are too) had Covid in the late fall of 2019.

I am pretty positive all my family had it Nov/Dec 2019. Started with one of my kids. She gave it to her kids and household. The kids came and spent the weekend with us the day before they became symptomatic and we ended up with it after that. It had all the hallmarks at the time except the loss of taste. It was definitely affected like you often get with a cold, but not gone.

 

[Guess Who]

I would like to remind everyone of when Chad was looking for a rental property in Hawaii in November of 2019. This was within days of Chad and Lori marrying. He described himself and Lori as "no pets, no kids".

That is damning to me.

when that info came out, I was convinced the kids were dead.

 

[Guess Who]

That isn't what I am talking of. I know and even said one could think the names are mixed up and it is about Alex with JJ but it isn't. Chad took JJ up to bed at Lori's apartment. And it came from someone there in some interview and it almost had to be Mel G.

Since I cannot link it, I do get that it may seem like I have it confused but it isn't the case. I BELIEVE, not sure, this is before Alex was seen with JJ the same night. Or that weekend. It could have come from DAvid but I don't think so as I never recall watching any police, etc. video with him. So that leaves Mel G. Or Mel P and I don't think it was her.

Anyhow, not arguing, just saying it isn't the same thing and I am not confusing Alex with Chad. Not saying anyone needs to take my word for it as I can't link it but it exists out there. Somewhere. In something.

That is basically what I remember but also can't remember the details. I'm pretty sure it was said that Alex took him upstairs and the story came from a visitor and that was the last time JJ was seen. I can not remember who it was though.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I am pretty positive all my family had it Nov/Dec 2019. Started with one of my kids. She gave it to her kids and household. The kids came and spent the weekend with us the day before they became symptomatic and we ended up with it after that. It had all the hallmarks at the time except the loss of taste. It was definitely affected like you often get with a cold, but not gone.

Believe it or not I also agree that it was around before we ever were officially made aware of it big time. And have stories also that could be looked back on in the last month or so of '19.

I don't though believe this is what happened to Alex. Who knows. But I just don't given all facts and things known and there was no hint Zulema or her son, etc. then got it either or got sick. Even Tammy could have been Covid but again I don't believe it with what is known and her bruises. Alex too had some thing and I agree with @Kimster that it was an unknown poison or some such.

I can be a BIT back and forth on Joe and whether they murdered him or Lori did but I'm not on Tammy and Alex. The kids we KNOW were not Covid nor was Charles. Or Brandon's attempted murder.

Interesting thought though,

 

[GrandmaBear]

when that info came out, I was convinced the kids were dead.

When they were known to be in Hawaii or when later heard they were "kidless" people? Yeah, kids missing and in some fun sunny vacation spot while the rest of the world worries about her kids. They act so inappropriately it isn't even funny and I don't think they have or had a clue they do. He ever since has been just Mr. Dumb Fooled By a Woman Act imo. TOTAL act. He is intensely evil at the deepest of levels imo. She is too but more transparent.

Just my opinions. I detest how many and there are some that let him off. Not here I don't thinks but "out there"...