The bread trauma on BOTH the back and front of his head definitely did not happen from her car.
And if they really wanted to find out what happened they would have done a proper investigation and made absolutely sure all evidence was properly documented and gathered. They did the exact opposite of this. They also manufactured evidence and then lied about it.Because the real killer is also a cop. Pin it on her and save the living cop from a murder charge.
Of the abrasions can't from that, there would have been tearing on his clothing. There were only puncture wounds on his sleeves that corresponded to the holes in his skin. There were no abrasive tears.The abrasions on his arm could have come from anything, the ground, a wall, the car, as he was impacted by the car or from falling over at some point. He actially died of blunt force trauma and hypothermia so those arm injuries were not a cause of his death.
LOLMore likely from a loaf of bread.
So what exactly are you saying as to who did it, if not bRead, who thinks she did.Of the abrasions can't from that, there would have been tearing on his clothing. There were only puncture wounds on his sleeves that corresponded to the holes in his skin. There were no abrasive tears.
Nobody has said those arm injuries caused his death and they certainly weren't made by her car.
So what exactly are you saying as to who did it, if not bRead, who thinks she did.
Who believes that? LE clearly not but the Defence? What makes them think that? The phone shows he didnt even go inside I thought.It's believed that he was attacked in the Albert home and dragged out to the yard.
Who believes that? LE clearly not but the Defence? What makes them think that? The phone shows he didnt even go inside I thought.
So how many people were in on this conspiracy? Everyone at the party?It's believed that he was attacked in the Albert home and dragged out to the yard.
I'm not saying who did it. I'm just saying how it didn't happen and the but people try to say it happened by her car and try to explain that part, the more I'm convinced it did not happen from her car. The injuries he has so not match it cunning from her car in any way.So what exactly are you saying as to who did it, if not bRead, who thinks she did.
You mean the way the prosecution says it didn't go inside? The same prosecution that did not use any experts or even the same type of phone?Who believes that? LE clearly not but the Defence? What makes them think that? The phone shows he didnt even go inside I thought.
Have you not read the crimes by officers thread? It happens.So how many people were in on this conspiracy? Everyone at the party?
How many people were busted deleting things from their phones or deterring their phones?? That's how many.So how many people were in on this conspiracy? Everyone at the party?
No i haven't, but i can believe cops can often do bad things. We have had it recently with the Met Police in London. I thought you were adamant the cops did a good investigation though, when a cop is the victim. So in this case they failed you think?Have you not read the crimes by officers thread? It happens.
If that's what happened, then yes, many in on a conspiracy to save one of their own. Definitely if they thought all the pieces were in place.
Off topic for a moment, but @Tresir, I look at what is happening In the UK and am so sad.No i haven't, but i can believe cops can often do bad things. We have had it recently with the Met Police in London. I thought you were adamant the cops did a good investigation though, when a cop is the victim. So in this case they failed you think?
I've been mostly silent in my thoughts on this case, but there is definitely something wrong here. Did Karen Read hit JOK with her car? Maybe.. If she did, I don't believe it killed him. All IMHO.
+ Scratches on the arm of JOK did not come from a broken tail light. Too linear, parallel , spacing of the wounds and between the wounds would discount this theory. Wounds to the head are not convincingly attributable to a being hit by a vehicle. He was a fairly tall man. Even if he was on his knees, his back would have had to been to the vehicle, and he would have had to have other bodily wounds in addition to the back of his head, if one is trying to claim that his head wounds were directly from being hit by a vehicle.
+ Members of the police agencies have been penalized for less than stellar police work, or not following procedure. Purposeful, uninformed or sloppy is very much open for critique.
+ Police involved in other cases are mostly the same as involved in this one. Fed investigation has led to murder charges of a police officer, in a different case which either points to incompetence or malfeasance. Either way these officers should not be involved in any other investigations till all has been cleared up.
+ There is an active Fed investigation, and many of the witnesses in the JOK/Karen Read trial have been called before a FED grand jury.
+ Evidence was discluded that perhaps should not have been. Other evidence has been completely obscured. (Bulkhead from 34 Fairview, Fed investigation, Proffers, Collin Albert calling a friend (girl, from Canton) looking for an alibi ...alleged information from Fed investigation/grand jury. Alleged
+ TWO Fed hired ARCA investigators say that JOK was not hit by vehicle. Not allowed to fully testify due to ongoing Fed investigation. I was floored that they were testing throwing a glass at the vehicle, cannon testing_ Why? Hopefully more to come on that.
+ Testing not performed on the actual arm wounds of JOK. No, it didn't kill him, but would have been circumstantial evidence, and add weight (or not) to two experts' testimony regarding wounds.
+ Tail light was in fact ruined/destroyed in sally port, per police and technician testimony. Along with all the other questionable sally port evidence and testimony.
+ Testimony from Guarino must be thrown out. IE - He testified in Sandra Birchmore investigation that deleted messages could not be recovered. FBI recovered 32,000 (+) messages from Farwell and Birchmore using Cellebrite software. (thank you @kdg411 for your explanations). Tie is relevant to testimony in KR trial due to searches that were discounted from witness phones.
+ Brian Higgins, ATF agent, was at 34 Fairview until 1:30 AM. Proffer from FEDs. Why is he not being scrutinized. He had motive.
There are more reasons for me, personally, to be skeptical, but I don't think it will make a difference to people's opinions. Accepting what Feds vs. local say in Sandra Birchmore case, but not in the KR case is puzzling to me. It wasn't murder, but I cannot reconcile the jury voting unanimously it wasn't murder, hung on manslaughter, voting unanimously on leaving the scene of accident. I also cannot reconcile that if the Feds believed she was not guilty that they let her go through all this turmoil. Unless she and her lawyers were in on a sting. WTH???
Yes, another conspiracy, all my own.
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I've been adamant that the cops did NO investigation throughout this entire thing. I have no idea how anybody on this thread would say I thought the l they did a good job. Their non job is exactly how I got to seeing how she most likely did not kill him. The making of the purposefully altered video pushed me over the edge even more to something else other than her doing it.No i haven't, but i can believe cops can often do bad things. We have had it recently with the Met Police in London. I thought you were adamant the cops did a good investigation though, when a cop is the victim. So in this case they failed you think?
Is there a list of the party attendees anywhere?I've been adamant that the cops did NO investigation throughout this entire thing. I have no idea how anybody on this thread would say I thought the l they did a good job. Their non job is exactly how I got to seeing how she most likely did not kill him. The making of the purposefully altered video pushed me over the edge even more to something else other than her doing it.